I just received mine from the factory. I'm really looking forward to some field testing tonight. Here are some quotes from Botte and Schick.


I threw this disc yesterday (171g) and it is a little more stable than a wildcat. It turned over with just a firm throw. It feels great and the plastic feels awesome. It is a pretty fast disc too. Although I think it is very far away from a predator. This disc seems to hold a late turn for me.





I threw the new Avenger and the plastic and overall feel of the disc is AWESOME. I didn't experience the same flight characteristics as Booty at all. I realize he throws quite a bit harder and farther, but they flew pretty darn stable for me. I threw 168 grams, and they didn't turn at all even with me trying. I would definitely say they are less stable than the Predator, but not flippy in the least for me. Very quick and will be a nice addition to the bag! Give me more please




I threw Brad's 168g discs and they were a little more stable but they still hold a slow right turn, no predator I have ever had has held a turn throwing flat but all my wildcats have. This disc pretty much goes straight for me with hardly any fall off at the end. It is a very nice disc

I got a proto for the 1disc challenge. It is very stable(straight), not over or under. One of my buddies who has never come close to outdriving me outdrove my teebird by like 100 feet in the first week he got one, throwing about 440 in a slight headwind! I also saw Aaron Bonine throw one about 480-500 at the one disc challenge, but hes a monster. They are not faster than a flick/crush, but have much more glide and are very stable(straight).

In which plastics will this disc be available?

In which plastics will this disc be available?



The one's sent here are in the sweet elite X plastic. Time to head to the field...................

Time to head to the field...................



The Avenger is NICE! I was getting it out to the 425'-475' range.

In a steady 12-15mph headwind, thrown with a little hyzer angle, the Avenger came up to flat and then slightly rolled over and glided for a looooooooooooooooooooooooong way. Once it slowed down it became fairly overstable and finished slightly left. (RHBH)

With a tailwind the disc didn't turn over as much, (as expected), and hyzered a little harder at the end of it's flight.(also expected).

I'm in agreement with Ben and Brad on this disc. A really powerful thrower like Ben will get this disc to turn right moreso than if Brad or myself threw it(we are not noodle arms, but compared to Ben....... :D). I'm pretty sure it will eventually find a place in my bag.

I like I like!

This has the feel and glide of those first run z wildcats.. Not nosey like the riptide. This should be a great long distance disc. Currently this throws almost as far as the x crush.. Great disc!

Good for corner shots (anhyzer) and late flips.

If this is similar to the 1st run Z Wildcats it will be a very popular disc. Those were sweet!

Agreed. Who has one for me?

Yeah the Avenger is a great all around golf disc. Holds a very striaght line for a loooong time. For me, it's like a seasoned X pred.
If you want one, come play the Majestic. They are making their debut here this weekend. Come Monday, IF there are any left, we may be willing to part. info@par72discgolf.com

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TG's got that right! I can't believe how much glide it has, and then add the stability...........Boom! :D

I threw one of these yesterday. Its awsome. It felt great coming out of my hand. Nice fade. pretty fast. It did flip a little. very cool disc.

They seem to fly like a slightly more stable pro starfire.

I've heard about flight patterns, what about shape? Wide or narrow rimmed? Deep or shallow rim? Flat or Discraft domey?
Of course, a picture is worth a thousand words! ;)

I've heard about flight patterns, what about shape? Wide or narrow rimmed? Deep or shallow rim? Flat or Discraft domey?
Of course, a picture is worth a thousand words! ;)



Have i mentioned how easy this disc is to throw?


Tafe,
It is in the Pred/Wildcat family. Same rim width as those 2 molds. Medium depth on the rim. Slightly domey. It's a SUPER glider. I'll post a pic tonight (if i remember). :D

Here you go. Click to enlarge.

http://www.glowfoto.com/images/2005/06/03-1848296860T.jpg (http://www.glowfoto.com/viewimage.php?img=03-184829L&y=2005&m=06&t=jpg&rand=6860)

http://www.glowfoto.com/images/2005/06/03-1850561932T.jpg (http://www.glowfoto.com/viewimage.php?img=03-185056L&y=2005&m=06&t=jpg&rand=1932)

http://www.glowfoto.com/images/2005/06/03-1906448978T.jpg (http://www.glowfoto.com/viewimage.php?img=03-190644L&y=2005&m=06&t=jpg&rand=8978)

http://www.glowfoto.com/images/2005/06/03-1907145732T.jpg (http://www.glowfoto.com/viewimage.php?img=03-190714L&y=2005&m=06&t=jpg&rand=5732)

Great pics Hero!
Limited supply of First run Avengers available here:
http://par72discgolf.clientcart.com/_Hot+New+Discs!.html
170-172 are the only available weights.
100% of the Money goes to The Majestic.
Thanks,
TG

I got to throw a round with one of these today thanks to My_Hero. Great disc! I'd say it's the closest thing to a Teebird that Discraft has but slightly faster. Big thumbs up!

ditto. i threw one of john's last sunday. the avenger is the easiest-to-throw, most-forgiving of the sharp edged drivers yet. very nice for the s-turnover, it is fairly forgiving on release angle (nose-to-tail). looking forward to getting a few of these.

Update Day two: this thing just doesn't want to hit the ground. It has the best glide of any driver I have ever thrown. I recommend gettng many.

i saw this guy named ron throw his proto over some real tall trees yesterday. very nice plastic for the protos and the flight was close to a teebird IMO. good disc :cool:

It's AWESOME!!! I think it's a week away from being fully released! You're going to want a few of these.

dagnamit! not til after waco! :p

You can take mine to Waco if you really want to.

nah, i'll wait. thanks tho! i'm not actually sure where i would use it at waco. olde cam doesnt really need it. the beast could use it, but the discs i'm accustomed to will also do fine :)

I will have plenty of Avengers on Friday. Look for me this weekend. I promise you THEY WILL GO FAST, so get them early.

Great pics Hero!
Limited supply of First run Avengers available here:
http://par72discgolf.clientcart.com/_Hot+New+Discs!.html
170-172 are the only available weights.
100% of the Money goes to The Majestic.
Thanks,
TG



I ordered a couple of these TG, will they notify me when they will ship and send a tracking number to me?

Holds a very striaght line for a loooong time



TG's got that right! I can't believe how much glide it has, and then add the stability...........Boom! :D



Very similiar to a Teebird, especially a 11x that's broken in with a long glide.

Very nice job Discraft!

PT Woods
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It's been soooooooooooooooooooooooo long since i've thrown a TeeBird. I can say that this Avenger is awesome though!!

Does anyone know when this disc will be making its debut in Z plastic?

KA BOOOOOM!!

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TG's got that right! I can't believe how much glide it has, and then add the stability...........Boom! :D



Very similiar to a Teebird, especially a 11x that's broken in with a long glide.

Very nice job Discraft!

PT Woods
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I've got a couple coming in the mail. They'll be auditioning for the Teebird slot in my bag. The Z-Pred replaced my Firebird a few months ago, and the X Crush recently earned a spot in my bag as my long overstable driver.

BTW, I really like the new X plastic. Good job Discraft!

Hello everyone,

The talk on the Avenger is very exciting. I think this will be THE DISC of 2005! Look for these fine events to be offering the first run Avengers this weekend:

Sat, Jun 11, 2005 8th Annual Ottawa Park Open: Toledo, OH
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 5th Annual Montrose Open: Montrose, CO
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 Baraboo Lions Open: Baraboo, WI
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 DMDGS #2 (Grand Woods): Lansing, MI
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 Harbor View Challenge: N. Myrtle Beach, SC
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 New Mexico State Championships: Vadito, NM
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 Steady Ed's Birthday Memorial: Lakeport, CA
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 Waco Charity Open: Waco, TX
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 Warwick Animalfest VII: Warwick, NY
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 Kansas City Wide Open: Kansas City, MO
Sun, Jun 12, 2005 Chestnut Ridge Open: Orchard Park, NY
Sun, Jun 12, 2005 Lumber Cup: Joliet, IL

I'd say that the Avenger is more high speed overstable than a teebird....

Keith- Is it 'random luck' that these events had access to the Avengers? I guess i'm wondering how to get the info on what will be released before ordering through the TD Specials.

Sunking will have this on Friday too ... cool picture of the Avenger stamp (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3122-XAVNG) here.

FYI,
Do disspell any rumors, we are currently taking pre-orders for both the Discwing Quarter K ($10.99) and the Discraft Elite X Avenger ($8.99) through our site. Unlike other sites we already have actual product reserved (Quarter K) or on it's way (Avenger). Click below to get more info.

Discraft Elite X Avenger Pre-Order (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3122-XAVNG)
Discwing Quarter K Pre-Order (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3175-DWQK)

I'll be at animalfest this weekend, so who wants my avenger?

FYI,
Do disspell any rumors, we are currently taking pre-orders for both the Discwing Quarter K ($10.99) and the Discraft Elite X Avenger ($8.99) through our site. Unlike other sites we already have actual product reserved (Quarter K) or on it's way (Avenger). Click below to get more info.

Discraft Elite X Avenger Pre-Order (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3122-XAVNG)
Discwing Quarter K Pre-Order (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3175-DWQK)



Does this disc(avenger) actually come in a 180g weight as your site reflects?

Keith- Is it 'random luck' that these events had access to the Avengers? I guess i'm wondering how to get the info on what will be released before ordering through the TD Specials.



Hi Greg,

They have discs at these events this weekend because I called them and let them know the Avenger was ready. They wouldn't be available for TD Specials until the 2nd run. The best way to order for your TD Specials would be to pull down our custom order form here (http://www.discraft.com/Web%20Pages/CatalogOrderForms.html). It is updated with what new models are available for custom stamping.

I'll be at animalfest this weekend, so who wants my avenger?



Will,

It doesn't look like I'll be able to make animalfest this weekend... I'll gladly take your Avenger off your hands for something... pm me next monday and we'll figure it out...


Erick

Erick, want two?

sure... we'll work something out....

Cool....i've got 30 for ya'!

Does this disc(avenger) actually come in a 180g weight as your site reflects?



Ben,
What you're looking at is our generic weight selection button that we add to most discs on our site. Below the disc description it states the available weights are from 167g-174g.
Thanks,
Mike

Keith- I didn't really word that question very well...

Since we order our Custom Tournament Discs months in advance there really isn't a way we can get the 'newest' discs if they are released right before the event. Unless when we put our order in someone would say "Hey, There is a new disc scheduled to be released 1 month before your event but it's not currently available. Perhaps you should chill on part of your order at this time..."

That would allow us to make the most of our pre-tournament fundraising/promotion and still have a shot at having the new discs available for the tournament.

Also, obviously the Avenger currently isn't listed as an option on the custom order form... but why are discs like the Comet and X Talon no longer available for custom Tournament Stamping?

Big Thanks for releasing the Avenger in X Plastic btw!

My friend shane hooked me up with an avenger this weekend from Animal fest.
I threw it a few times so far and except for the fact that i couldn't get a great grip on it because i was sweating so bad and it was so humid i'd say it throws like a fast teebird. Even after it slipping out of my hand i still threw it about 20feet further than my drive with my teebird, but just off to the left about 60 feet.

-Scott Lewis

p.s. after looking at the disc again i have to state the resemblance to the pro starfires...

I picked up 3 at DMDGS this weekend(First event in AM-I from AM-III jump... Didn't DFL, so I got that going for me, which is nice) and holy crap. I grabbed a superlight(164ish), a medium(168ish) and a heavy(173ish) and the 164 glides for days. I was only getting it out like 350-375, but it was pre and post tourney, so I was either not wanting to throw out my arm, or had already thrown it out. It flew like my slightly warn Flash. It would flip if you got a lot of arm on it(the 168, the 164 would flip with a decent chuck, which is why I got it, for spike-anne shots). The Heavy one is in the neon yellow x plastic and it was way way way more overstable than the medium one. I'm not sure what the cause of this was, but it definately was a different disc in my medium strength arm(can only get out to 450 range in pure D, golf D is in the 350 range). All in all, this should happily replace my XS and Flash in my bag(XS is a brownish tie-dyed disc, so it needs replacing with something that can be seen if it lands on a path)

i find the 1.6 overstability rating wierd. 1.6?? whatev.

i was throwing a 170-172 one and it was nice but i couldnt really get a good feel for it because of the dang humidity. my hands were just not letting me grip it well. I can see this disc flying really far though!!

I think it is just a bit faster and pickier teebird with more low speed fade.

--Deuce

BTW: *******' Stamp!! (White disc with RED avenger on it!!)

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TG's got that right! I can't believe how much glide it has, and then add the stability...........Boom! :D



Very similiar to a Teebird, especially a 11x that's broken in with a long glide.

Very nice job Discraft!



Actually it resembles a Pro Starfire that is more Stable. I love it!

PT Woods
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I was wondering if anybody that attended the Waco Annual Charity Open (Ams) could tell me if the Avengers we got were Elite X or Z plastic. I don't think it says on the stamp.

Elite X

Hello everyone,

The talk on the Avenger is very exciting. I think this will be THE DISC of 2005! Look for these fine events to be offering the first run Avengers this weekend:

Sat, Jun 11, 2005 8th Annual Ottawa Park Open: Toledo, OH
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 5th Annual Montrose Open: Montrose, CO
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 Baraboo Lions Open: Baraboo, WI
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 DMDGS #2 (Grand Woods): Lansing, MI
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 Harbor View Challenge: N. Myrtle Beach, SC
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 New Mexico State Championships: Vadito, NM
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 Steady Ed's Birthday Memorial: Lakeport, CA
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 Waco Charity Open: Waco, TX
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 Warwick Animalfest VII: Warwick, NY
Sat-Sun, Jun 11-12, 2005 Kansas City Wide Open: Kansas City, MO
Sun, Jun 12, 2005 Chestnut Ridge Open: Orchard Park, NY
Sun, Jun 12, 2005 Lumber Cup: Joliet, IL




We didnt get an avenger @ the Harbor view challenge :( I was looking forward to that one!

Got to throw the Avenger yesterday. I borrowed it so it was a bit light for me, 167g.

This disc is super fast, just like its big brother the Predator. I released it with alot of hyzer to compensate for the lighter weight and it ripped out of my hand earlier then I expected, alot earlier. Thankfully being light it flipped up and flew dead straight, until it smacked into a large bush. I imagine I will like the 174g version. I hope it will be available in Z plastic, since it is a retooled Pred. Definately more stable then a Teebird.

all i can say is wow. freakin' amazing! outdriving all my other drivers by at least 30'!!

all i can say is wow. freakin' amazing! outdriving all my other drivers by at least 30'!!



congrats duece you are driving over 37 feet huh j/k with ya hope ottawa tourney was well sorry couldn't make it :(

and that was with RHFH!! haha!

fyi: i dont throw RHFH well at all. im working on it occasionally though.

I have been throwin that shot very well lately. smooth an accurate as hell. Shot a -4 at heritage last week and should have been easily a -7. Having that shot in my bag definetly helped :D Man I can't wait till DGLO :D

Hello all,

The Avengers have been received extremely well. The First Runs are going fast and the events that received them last weekend had a tremendous response! One TD sold all 30 in one day and said he didn't hear a bad comment from anyone about them. He also said he was using them all weekend and parking holes he had never come close to.

I had some of my pro's and A3 league members throwing the first of the CryZtal Avengers yesterday and they are definitely more overstable. Look for these extremely Limited Edition CryZtal Clear Avengers to be a Players Cup (http://www.playerscup.org) fundraiser that will be available soon on Sportdiscs.com (http://www.sportdiscs.com).

What about regular Z-plastic? When will the Avenger be available in that?

Hey Parkn,

The Elite-Z Avenger will be release in the next couple of weeks also. Look for that to be a Players Cup (http://www.playerscup.org) fundraiser as well.

John, I have been messing with this Avenger, I didn't like it at first, I try to throw it like a z pred or a z crush, real hard flat about 5 feet off the ground, and it just got really lazy. I started to throw it like a Floaty Talon, and OMG does this thing sail. Was you punching the disc or floating it when you tested???

Leo,

I've been experimenting with both types of shots. I found that i get the best results when i throw it with a flat release, off to the left a little, throw it 10-15' up but keeping the nose level, or even a little nose down........... It rolls over gently(subtle hyzer flip), and glides forever, helixing back at the end. Long range driver for sure!

I played around with it for a while. I just don't know, my Wildcats still go farther, but the Avenger definitely fought the wind a little better.

Hello all,

The Avengers have been received extremely well. The First Runs are going fast and the events that received them last weekend had a tremendous response! One TD sold all 30 in one day and said he didn't hear a bad comment from anyone about them. He also said he was using them all weekend and parking holes he had never come close to.

I had some of my pro's and A3 league members throwing the first of the CryZtal Avengers yesterday and they are definitely more overstable. Look for these extremely Limited Edition CryZtal Clear Avengers to be a Players Cup (http://www.playerscup.org) fundraiser that will be available soon on Sportdiscs.com (http://www.sportdiscs.com).



I'm just a noob around these forums, but could you reserve one of those for me. They aren't on the website just yet, and I don't really want to miss out, as this sounds like the disc that I've been looking for (and not really finding).

PM, email, whatever ... I'd appreciate it.

KCLofty:

Try Timmy Gill at pardiscgolf72.com I think he mentioned having some. He's also a D-craft sponsored playa, and may be able to hook you up.

Erik

Mike Barnett has some at sunkingdiscs.com (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3122-XAVNG)
I've been throwing a couple of the early ones, and just recieved a few in different weights. Very nice disc, especially if you like elite X plastic.

I was out at Event 2 in J-Bird's events around michigan saturday and he has some SWEET dyed ones. I've already seen one on e-bay and I highly reccomend picking one up. He doesnt keep his site up to date, so you might have to e-mail him direct to order one.

This may be the best driver ever released. I used it this past weekend and was getting close to 480 with ease, the thing has soooo much glide and doesn't quit. Try TG at par72discgolf.com he has a couple boxes of the first runs at a good price.

I'm gonna have to agree with Brad on this one. This disc is killer. I picked up two of them at the Greater Des Moines Challenge this past weekend and I love them. It's got glide and some speed too. I threw it on hole 1 at Walnut ridge and I went about 10 past the basket. One of my better drives on that hole.

Having thrown em in 2 minis and a C Tier event, my avengers are getting pretty beat in. I'm hoping that, like most X Plastic, they reach a good steady state in another couple weeks of play. They DID handle the wind today really well for my mini. I put a red stamp 168 out about 325 on hole 18 of Beast at Mason County Pump Storage. There was a stiff tailwind, and I got it to hyzer flip on me, but it didn't handle the tail wind as well as I liked. Maybe doing the same with the 164 I carry would have done better. Definately has some glide to it.

On another note, I got to throw my first serious round with an ace race glide and it is exactly what I needed. If I put it on a hyzer, it stays hyser(couldn't seem to get it to hyzer flip, but only tried on a stiff uphill, so nose up prolly didn't help). If I anne'd it, it held the anne, only flatening out to plop down next to the pin. These two discs have helped me to greatly improve the consistancy of my game.

I am not to sure yet either on this disc..I have had some varying results in different winds in the last week. Sometimes it seems to fly right out of the hand dead straight and dive left (rhbh) at the very last and others seem to just fly onwards straight, but w/o the D

Strange Disc...1.6 I love that!

give it some air underneath until you get it dialed in. it will always come back if you give it air and S it.

once you nail it, then try throwing flat and low. i will go forever, never totally over, just hold a picture perfect flat cruise, then finish with some hyzer comeback.

but give it air at first. the disc is extremely forgiving with air under it.

One thing I question is the actual stability rating. The reason is, the Crush is rated at 1.8, the Venom at 2.0 and the Avenger at 1.6, this does not seem right to me.

Does this factor in the High speed turn or just the fade at the end. Because for me...

The Crush has a good amount of high speed turn
The Venom was just dead straight, no turn no fade.
While the Avenger flipped flat but held onto that and faded at the end.

I would almost consider them

Crush 1.6
Venom 1.7
Avenger 1.8

Because the Flick is also rated at 2.0!

Can someone help me out with this one.

yeah, those stability ratings are whacked half the time. i dont know how they get those values.

my venoms are big stable. i actually took em out of my bag and simply kept the flick in. so now i've got a small stack of first run venoms in the garage.

i would say it goes

crush 1.6
avenger 1.7
venom 1.8
talon 1.8-1.9
flick 2.0

altho the flick should prolly be like 2.5 to make room for the predator in between the venom/talon and the flick.

regardless, the avenger is pure plastic sweetness.

Either way Discraft makes the best discs :D

It depends what crush it is, and which run it was. Could be anywhere in between 1.5 and 1.8

What do you think a Tsunami should be rated? I know the pred is 2.5 but the tsunami isn't as stable, i'd say 2.2 or so.

true dat about the crush. i've only realy thrown first runs, which are less stable. i hear the newer ones are more stable. i have a nice stack of them, but havent busted one out yet

true dat about the crush. i've only realy thrown first runs, which are less stable. i hear the newer ones are more stable. i have a nice stack of them, but havent busted one out yet.

havent thrown a tsunami yet either. getting to be too many discs out there.

I just got a stack of YELLOW 1st run Avengers......looking forward to seeing these fly!

cool. gimme some :)

i got a yellow from joey at waco. havent thrown it yet. thats the trouble with discraft. they fly so good ya never lose them and the QUALITY is so high that they dont really wear out!

What's the lightest you've got?

:o

This stack was sent for me. They are all yellow and 173-174g. However, i'll gladly share (especially for a Holiday Buzzz!) :D

I sent the rest of the 167's to Danielle Vargas down in San Antonio. Dcraft sent her heavy ones, so we just traded heavy for light. That's why we didn't have a womens CTP on Sunday. I do have some light Venoms that i'll CTP for you gals this Sunday.

venoms are too stable for girls.

oh wait, laura still has the only recorded duece on #9 coyote! :eek:

Yes she does!

Thanks Pat and John. :cool:

I have the only recorded bird on # 9 because I threw an extremely understable JLS that weighs 149 g. I threw it back hand and it turned right at just the correct spot, then I managed to hit a perfect putt. I am known more for my putts than my drives. They go about the same distance. :confused:

However, John, do you happen to have any Talons in the 150 range. I just found on their website that Discraft make those. I would love to try one whenever possible.

I won't be at the mini this Sunday. I'll be in DC again. I think Juli will still be in the other Washington. Perhaps the other women at the mini throw stable enough to handle the Venom. Thanks again for thinking of us. :)

laura, if johnieboy doesnt, i have a couple 150 talons.

I can get 150 class Talons, Flicks, and Storms with ease.

They are suppossed to be looking through the warehouse for you gals. We'll see what they come up with.

Are these available in stores now, or do I have to get them at tourneys?

If I can't find one at my local shop, what are my chances of finding one at the Michiana Open? I tend to prefer Innova, but hey, I'm too new to be shutting stuff out that could fill a gap in my bag... plus I love TeeBirds, so if this is anything like it, I want it :)

I've tried the 150 Flick. Way too stable for me, except to use as a Flick -- go figure.
I just read up on the Storm. That sounds like a disc I'd like to try.
I'd still like to have lessons from anyone that is willing. I just recently got to where I can throw further than Ken Cantrell can pee. (He used to make the statement that he can pee further than I can drive whenever he saw my drives.)

Thanks again guys

Replying to myself, they've got them at my store (came in yesterday) and I'm getting at least one tonight after work... (only 45 more minutes!!!)

I think you'll like it. Please post your feedback here.

I just read up on the Storm. That sounds like a disc I'd like to try.



Laura, the Storm is an awesome disc. I recommend you try it as soon as possible. A week or two ago I looked at the ADGA stock and saw one or two 150 class Storm's in the bin. The lightest I have in Cedar HIll is 167 (ish). It's just a great disc.

Brian

Yeppers. I ordered 10 150 z storms for the club a few weeks ago!

hey this is the Avenger thread, not the Storm thread! :mad:

How many max weight Avengers will I get for a brand new Holiday Buzzz? <Insert Evil Laugh Here>

PM me, ok?

Ok, here is my review... keep in mind (see sig) that I'm a rookie who really doesn't know how to drive.

I really like the plastic this thing is made of, it's kind of a cross between DX and Pro Line... that's just a random thought.

I got two of these, a 166-168 and a 172-174. They both fly exactly the same (for me) with the slight exception of the heavier one seems to go about 10' longer on average.

As far as characteristics, this flys almost identical to a Teebird with a couple notable exceptions:

1. The Avenger will turn over slightly when released flat, which I haven't been able to get my Teebird to do.
2. The Avenger seems to fly 5-15' longer than the Teebird.

Now, I will state once again that my drive SUCKS, so please don't think you'll get identical results. I do a victory dance when I overthrow a 333' basket by 10', so I am in no way shape or form a "power arm", but if there is anyone out there like me, this may in fact be what you can expect from this disc.

BTW, I also like that it seems very predictable to me (like my Teebird).

Chris Pepperling was throwing this thing A COUNTRY MILE last night after the mini. We were doing $1 for longest drive, and i think he won it 3 of the 4 times. I finally got a 1st run Crush to fly further than his Avenger, but THAT AVENGER GOES FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!

Approx. how far are we talking?

500'....and that's not message board distance. That's true, flat ground, light wind distance.

Wow... I managed to get 340' out of both of mine at one point yesterday (which is good for me), but that was not the average... Average was probably 310-320... I need to find a mentor :)

How high was he throwing them? Were they turning over when they went that far?

Right handed, backhand.......They were thrown with very little anhyzer angle ( \ ....left edge up, but not nearly that steep, much closer to flat), thrown very hard, about 15'-20' high. They were holding the anyhyzer line for approx. 380-400', then flexing out for the remainder of the flight. Huge distance with a very little tailwind on flat ground.

Hmmm.... gives me something to try... thanks!

If you look at the profile, technically other discs should be farther.
When compared to my Wildcats, the dome is much taller giving maybe a little more lift. But increasing the heigth of the disc should increase turbulent air flow. The nose underside is quite smooth whereas the Wildcat has a bead-like flare to it. This flare pushes air away from the underside of the disc decreasing the turbulent flow, easing passage through the air. But all this changes when a variable human does the throwing. My Avengers just seem to drop, I can match distance with a Cyclone! Wildcats are 50-75 feet farther FOR ME. Glad to hear people like another Discraft disc, though.

When are we going to see the Z Avenger??? The X ones are great new. I have about 6 rounds on this X avenger and its really flippy now. I think the Z will be straighter due to the plastic, but we will see.

On the ask Keith thread, he said that it would be in a few weeks. They molded some for CFR events and then he said they would start regular runs after that. So you can get Z-Avengers right now I believe, if you look for them.

Everyone got a Z-Avenger in their players pack for DGLO.
Wait until you see the Cryztal Avenger. :cool:

Hello all,

We put the Elite-Z Avenger in the players packages for DGLO and had a great response. They will be available from your local retailer/online vendor in the near future. They will be priced higher ($20-25) because they are going to be Players Cup fund raisers.

I want some Z-Avengers! :D;)

I want some Z-Avengers! :D;)


Me too!!

I want some of your 1st run Z-Buzzz's too. :)

Hello all,

They will be available from your local retailer/online vendor in the near future. They will be priced higher ($20-25) because they are going to be Players Cup fund raisers.



Is that the standard retailer/online vendors as normal or will it be a semi exclusive distribution?

Hi Parkn,

It will be open to anyone who wants to offer them. We will have some other limited distribution items coming up for the Players Cup.

The Avenger is a sweet disc. I threw Carlo's and it wouldn't stop, it kept going, and going....

any word on if there will be any up at DMDGS #3 in boyne this weekend? I'd like to check one or two out.

The Avenger is a sweet disc. I threw Carlo's and it wouldn't stop, it kept going, and going....



Is this a less stable orc ?

I thought it was perhaps a smidge more overstable than an Orc. YMMV.

First run X Talon's---GONE!
First run X Avenger's---IN! (as in my bag).
I just had to give them a chance and Edgebrook was the perfect place to do it. I don't have to work as hard to get them just as far.

Do you find them to be more or less overstable than a comparable weight X-Talon? I am curious how you think they compare, as I am a big fan of the Z-talon.

More. My main problem w/ the X Talon was one good hit and it's done. My current one (Talon) hasn't even hit anything except the ground (for a season) and it's done. The Avenger seems like it could take a few good hits before I throw it in a box in the basement. Also, the rim depth is quite similar. I probably would've loved a Tsunami if it wasn't so deep in the rim.
BTW, I threw the X Talon, because the only Z's I have thrown are 1st runs, and they are fragile compared to X. You might really like the Avenger, give it a shot.

I was pushin hard to get my avenger 390' yet the Z Flash with the same effort will go 440' :eek: I would believe that a 1st run Crush would easily beat an Avenger, although the Avenger has more glide, the Crush has a better stability at high speed and it is faster. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I was pushin hard to get my avenger 390' yet the Z Flash with the same effort will go 440' :eek: I would believe that a 1st run Crush would easily beat an Avenger, although the Avenger has more glide, the Crush has a better stability at high speed and it is faster. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Someone just told me , that they fly good , until you wack a tree. :(

I threw 1 today and I didn't throw it well enough to get a good read on it but I do know that it will be hard for it to beat my Crush.

I am getting a couple and will post a review after testing.

Just threw a new dyed X and it's much less stable than I expected. Just held a line, REAL far though. The Z's are SWEET! much more overstable than the X. Gotta play in some more wind to get a really good read though. It did get me a bird or two this weekend, so I can't complain.

I threw this yesterday in the open field a few times. I really like it. It is in the Wildcat-Predator family of discs in terms of speed and rim width. It fits the hand really well and is a straight predictable flyer. I got it out about 460' yesterday in the very humid weather. Not bad at all.

If you are like me and have been wanting Discraft to get a Teebird like disc in their line up, this should definetly satisfy your craving.

GREAT DISC!

P.S.-- Where can I get a Z?

Hey Kid Roc get on AIM...

Okay, so you tell me to get on AIM and you are away. LOL!

Anyway I gotta get off here and get some crap done. I sent you a PM. LATER!

Happy Birthday Danny!

Hello all,

We put the Elite-Z Avenger in the players packages for DGLO and had a great response. They will be available from your local retailer/online vendor in the near future. They will be priced higher ($20-25) because they are going to be Players Cup fund raisers.



Any idea when the Player's Cup fund raiser discs are going to be up on those websites. I'm tired of checking it daily, but must have elite z crystal avenger. (too many trees here for any other plastic)

this disc seems like the longer dx teebird folks have wanted. i need more time with it to see if it will replace my dx tee and dx beast. i love this x-plastic, grippy like innova proline, but much stiffer. great plastic and great disc. what has this disc replaced for other folks?

Liked the elite one till I lost mine. Wasn't too excited about throwing it in the woods, so now i'm waiting to get some Z/Crystal ones to replace it. Flew somewhat similar to my most stable 1st run Z Crush.

Based on the stability of the X I think the Z may be like a 1st run Z Cat. Can't wait to pick some up!

OK, here's the update on the Z & CryZtal Avengers;

Z Avengers are now on pre-order for $10.99 (Save $2.00!) until 8/3 when they arrive in stock. Click here (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3123-ZAVNG) to pre-order. These were originally slated to be fundraisers for The Players Cup (http://www.theplayerscup.org), but we've decided to offer a few other goodies instead. :eek: - sorry, no scoops here, you'll have to wait and see! :(

A super limited batch of 20 ColorMAX CryZtal Avengers will be available starting on 7/30 around 12 noon at Sun King Discs (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com) . The price is $29.99 with all proceeds benefitting The Players Cup.

Thanks!
Mike Barnett

Thanks for the update.

what does the z compare to? is it much more [over]stable than the x?

I'd say slightly more than the X. It's like a perfectly seasoned Z-Pred. :)

If you want something between the X and the Z, I'd recommend the Y. :p

I think it goes like this
Z Pred then one step down is the Z Tsunami then the same step in stability down is the Z Avenger. I only have a 174. I would like to try it in a 170 just to see the difference. Im starting to like my beat up X Avenger. I think this will become my new distance disc. On a 370 uphill hole this past weekend I threw my drive 70 ft past the hole with the X Avenger. Thrown with slight hyzer this thing just flips up and glides for DAYS!!!

what does the z compare to? is it much more [over]stable than the x?



My X Avenger is clearly labeled as 1.6 stability, and that seems about right

My Z avenger is clearly labeled as 1.8 stability, and that may be over doing it just a touch. That's the stability rating of a crush, and it is not as overstable as a crush. Well, sorta... the crush pulls left the minute it leaves my hand. the z avenger will pull left once it slows down (RHBH of course)

The main difference between the X and the Z Avenger is that the X avenger is more high speed understable than the Z avenger. on a flat hard throw, the X will turn right and occasional dive to the ground and roll. The Z will not do this at all, and I need to turn it if I want an anyzer or helix flight path. The X will helix on it's own.

Edit:
While slightly different, both the X and the Z have very welcome spots in my bag. Each can be used in different situations, and for their own flight path. One mold managed to replace a starfire, a sidewinder, and possibly my beast if I wasn't so attached to it.

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Edit:
While slightly different, both the X and the Z have very welcome spots in my bag. Each can be used in different situations, and for their own flight path. One mold managed to replace a starfire, a sidewinder, and possibly my beast if I wasn't so attached to it.

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I should be receiving my Z's on Wednesday. I was wondering if they could replace the Starfires. I'll have to try them and see. I definitely love the X's. This is the best disc Discraft made since the Predator.

Is it me or does it seem like the top plate is a Predator and the bottom is a Wildcat? It definitely fits in my bag!!

PT Woods
# 20431

all i know is that when i threw my first run X that i got at warwick animal fest it reminded me of a very fast Brand new 11x teebird. nice and stable.
I'd love to get a Z version max weight so I can have a longer teebird in my bag.

-Scott Lewis

Is it me or does it seem like the top plate is a Predator and the bottom is a Wildcat? It definitely fits in my bag!!





Very close. The top plate is a Pred, and the bottom plate is a Pred w/ a retooled rim. They flattened the Pred rim out just a little bit (took away some of the transition).

If they keep tweaking the Pred mold ill be happy forever. Thats my favorite mold by far.

All I need from Discraft now is something I can Thumber and Tomahawk.

Have you tried to thumb a reaper....works great for me. Or the local pro around here uses a extreme.


I love the avenger, can't wait to try it in the Z plastic. I haven't thrown it a lot yet, but I think it's going to replace my starfires.

Never tried a reaper. Ill have to check that out. I used to thumb Eagles and Firebirds when I threw Innova. Just cant seem to find anything that will thumb of tommy like that in the Discraft line up. Ive been using a beat Tsunami but its just not the same.

All I need from Discraft now is something I can Thumber and Tomahawk



millZ,

a lot of the guys around here are using the Z-Flick for overhands. Have you tried it? They swear by it. I've just never been able to throw that shot without it hurting, so i get creative in other ways. :)

millZ,

a lot of the guys around here are using the Z-Flick for overhands. Have you tried it? They swear by it. I've just never been able to throw that shot without it hurting, so i get creative in other ways.



Ive Tried it. Not what I am looking for. I may just go back to thumbing my talons. I think they were as close to an Eagle as I am going to get for now.

The reaper will spin a little faster than a talon. Which is what I like in my thumbers, a faster spin. I tried the flick it was ok, tried the firebird not fast enough, same with the eagle. The monster was close but just wasn't the same...I keep going back to the reaper. Plus with the durability of Z plastic it will last forever.

you guys who have thrown the z--is it much less hispeed stable than the fusion tsunami? i am waiting on mine to show up, and i love my tsunami [not z], hoping the z-avg will be slightly less overstable. thanks

Pro who has a good tommy/thumber 'round here uses XS for tommys and thumbers. Try that?

Z Xtreme makes a great thumber/tommy disc. I would also try the tracker, although it might not be fast enough for your liking.

Z Pred works great for thumbers.

As for the Z Avenger- I just got a max weight one and it has a stability slightly less than a fusion Tsunami. Seemed really fast. Can't wait to get some more practice with this one.

From what I remember it does fly very similar to the 1st run Z Wildcat. Hence it has found an immediate place in my bag.

Z Avengers are sooooo sick, they fly pretty similar to the X Avenger but can take the abuse of a wooded course. They have definitely found a spot in my bag. Thank you DISCRAFT!

Beat up X Avengers on a hyzer flip fly FOREVER!!! I carry a beat up X and a Z in my bag. I would also like to thank Discraft for this disc :D

I have used a beat X Avenger for a cut roller, all I can say is wow, those things roll forever.

Ill have to try that :D

Wow!

I was able to spend some time w/ the Z-avenger, and the Z-Tracker last night before the mini.

The Z-Avenger was super sweet. It's a little more stable than the X avenger, but just as fast...with the glide. I likey.

The Z-Tracker was definitly an eye opener for me. It was VERY EASY to throw. I took a 1 step run up, flat release, 70% power throw the first time i threw it, and it responded with a gentle "S" flight with some substantial distance for hardly throwing it. The next few throws were powerful throws, and i found that this Tracker has moderate speed and stability. It *kind of* reminds me of a TeeBird TL, but a touch more stable, and a touch faster. More to come.....................

Tease! I want one! :D

Ill sell one for a Million dollars :D

Tease! I want one! :D



Come out to Vets on Sun or GV on Wed. That's a lot of abbrev's. :)

I need more Z Avengers and I want some that are 170 and less because I think I could BOMB THEM!!!

I need more Z Avengers and I want some that are 170 and less because I think I could BOMB THEM!!!



I just picked up 2 169g from sunking discs via e-bay.

HEHE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7174066056)

Sweet....now get out there and come back w/ some ace feedback. :D

I need more Z Avengers and I want some that are 170 and less because I think I could BOMB THEM!!!



I just picked up 2 169g from sunking discs via e-bay.

HEHE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7174066056)



I don't read so good....looked like it said they were 171 grams to me :confused:

I just got 2x167's from Sunking ... Can't wait till lunch time so I can chuck these babies.
Also got a couple of Players Cup Crystals. These are FLAT. I bet they are really overstable compared to the Z vers. Kind of pricey (to throw), but really nice if you like the Avenger mold.
X Avenger ... I love it. I'm breaking in a few, and they just keep getting better. Great plastic.

I need more Z Avengers and I want some that are 170 and less because I think I could BOMB THEM!!!



I just picked up 2 169g from sunking discs via e-bay.

HEHE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7174066056)



I don't read so good....looked like it said they were 171 grams to me :confused:



I'm going to trust the 'Subject' of the auction over the body in this case.

Either way, I'm fired up about it because I have a stack of 6 x avengers (3 172, a 175, a 168, and a 165, all measured using a digital scale) that I love. The 172 is my go to driver, but I have problems with over gripping the x plastic as I throw mostly z plastic.

what kind of stamp is on the cryztals? if they are as stable as you described them I may have to get a few.

Here's the link. Players Cup Crystal Avengers at Sunkingdiscs (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3400-TPCAV)

I have been out on the field with the new Tracker and I think it will soon replace my Talon as my #1 driver. The plastic is awesome and the lip is not to big for my hands. Little stable so I dont turn it over as much, which is good for me.

Good job on the Tracker Discraft!!

Where is the tracker available? How does it compare to the Z-XL? Thanks!

I hope and am thinking that there should be a Tracker in my Am Nat's package.

Upon further study, I have taken the X Avenger out of my bag and put a Z Avenger in. One hit on the X and it's redundant when compared with my Z-Wildcat (didn't even last one tourney!). But the Z keeps it's shape.
Pretty wierd that I like the grip and the distance of X more, but all my drivers are Z. That X just doesn't last for me in a driver mold. Ah well, sacrifices must be made.

I hope and am thinking that there should be a Tracker in my Am Nat's package.

Upon further study, I have taken the X Avenger out of my bag and put a Z Avenger in. One hit on the X and it's redundant when compared with my Z-Wildcat (didn't even last one tourney!). But the Z keeps it's shape.
Pretty wierd that I like the grip and the distance of X more, but all my drivers are Z. That X just doesn't last for me in a driver mold. Ah well, sacrifices must be made.



I'm just the opposite. The reason I like the X plastic is because it gets more understable after a while. I'd like to get my X nice and beat in and then try out the Z and hopefully use it as an overstable version of the X. I guess it's just the difference between liking beat plastic vs. new.

Take a Z and run it over(along with a few other of your favorite discs, and a cd) with the back 4 wheels of a bob-tailed semi, and it will be perfect :Ddid that by accident once with an xs :o

I think the tracker is the most controllable driver that discraft has now. I played with it out in the field, threw it a couple times on the course and it went straight into the golf bag.

I think the tracker is the most controllable driver that discraft has now. I played with it out in the field, threw it a couple times on the course and it went straight into the golf bag.



I agree. I thought the X-Avenger was "user friendly" until i threw the Z-Tracker! Very forgiving! :)

There is a place for beat plastic. Just not in my tourney bag.
I use hard putters so they don't change shape on me. I do use some beat X-Wildcats, but they really can't get more understable! I just like to know that the disc is going to fly the same, even if I just hit a tree. After a hit on the X Avenger, I didn't even need to throw it to know that it wasn't the same.
Different strokes for different folks, right?

I agree. I thought the X-Avenger was "user friendly" until i threw the Z-Tracker! Very forgiving!



Its like a longer faster 1st Run Z BUZZZ!!! :D:D:D

There is a place for beat plastic. Just not in my tourney bag.
I use hard putters so they don't change shape on me. I do use some beat X-Wildcats, but they really can't get more understable! I just like to know that the disc is going to fly the same, even if I just hit a tree. After a hit on the X Avenger, I didn't even need to throw it to know that it wasn't the same.
Different strokes for different folks, right?



Exactly. I wasn't saying either of us is right, just that it's interesting that we like the same disc, just in different stages of wear.

I've only ever noticed a change in flight after one hit on a couple of different occasions. Two of them are discs that have been discontinued: a first run Pro Teebird and Elite (not Elite-X) XTra. The other one was a really major gouge I put in my soft Wizard (1/4"x1" piece of plastic shaved off) after hitting the edge of a grill. Othewise it's just been gradual changes I've noticed and I don't have problems dealing with that. It's hard to argue with how reliable the higher end plastics are, though.

Does anyone know when the Tracker will be available for the rest of us?

I tried to order some through Discraft yesterday. They said the Z-Aveneger is available, and is a regular production item. Then i asked for some Z-Trackers to be added to that order, but that was shot down. I wasn't given an ETA yesterday on their public debut.

I'll cheerish the ones i have until i see more!

Does anyone know when the Tracker will be available for the rest of us?


Like I said, I have a REALLY GOOD feeling that it will be released at Am Nat's. Also, keep checking the Player's Cup site as they will have select offerings.

I picked up a couple first run Z Trackers at the Am Worlds. Nate Doss was there and signed both of them, so I doubt that I'll throw them.

We listed Z Trackers (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&amp;Store_Code=S&amp;Product_Code =3400-ZTRKR), CryZtal Xpress (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&amp;Store_Code=S&amp;Product_Code =3400-CZXPS) and a special Am Worlds SuperCOLOR Challenger (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&amp;Store_Code=S&amp;Product_Code =3400-AWPCH) tonight. We'll have a bunch more goodies going up tomorrow afternoon including some new Sparkle Tsunamis, Ice Champion Sidewinders, Ghost Stamped Z and Pro D discs and some cool Fat Tire ColorMAX discs. In addition look for some rare, G.L.O "tournament only" SuperCOLOR Challengers, a cool new hat from Disc Player and a new prototype golf disc and a lid from a New Zealand manufacturer coming over the next few days.

Thanks!
Mike Barnett

A little at a time. Go easy on my wallet!