Anybody get one yet? I just ordered 2 of them and am hoping to try them soon. Does SL stand for Super Leopard? hehe, just kidding.

give me this weekend and i can compare them to the pro starfire and the cfr regular starfire for you. i should have a couple in my hands friday. i imagine the only people who have them are in so-cal or went to the gsc and picked one up.

roc steady, where did u order one from?

Mark (great knowledge and honesty) at discgolfvalues. He also has one up on ebay right now.

Please tell him that i sent you as I told him how impressed i was and told him id be trying to send him biz for being such good peeps!

Mr T, do you have the 2nd mold or the first mold CFR? I love the 2nd mold and have been told that the 1st mold is right in the middle of the other 2 (SL and SX) Does SX mean Super Xevious? It seems these three molds could cover all of my big D needs. Speaking of which, Anybody got any SX's they want to trade/sell? PM me.

hey roc, how do you know what mold of starfire that is on discgolfvalues.com? (the x-out, right?) it dosent say which of the runs it is anywhere

also does anyone know where and when its possible to get a non- x out?

Mr T, do you have the 2nd mold or the first mold CFR? I love the 2nd mold and have been told that the 1st mold is right in the middle of the other 2 (SL and SX) Does SX mean Super Xevious? It seems these three molds could cover all of my big D needs. Speaking of which, Anybody got any SX's they want to trade/sell? PM me.



roc, all my first runs are in a bag, unthrown....ive only thrown the 2nd cfr runs which works well into a headwind if you keep it low enough.....as you probably know. since there is not much lift and glide with the regular cfr mold i dont think id want a turnover kind of starfire, but if these new cfr's-L do have that characteristic like the pro starfire does, including durability, with the champion plastic, then it will be my new driver. :D
cant wait to try them out.

Does anyone know how to tell the difference between 1st and 2nd run CFR Starfires. More imortantly, where can I specifically buy a 2nd run CFR starfire, and be assured that I will not get a 1st run?

Toolniz,
The only thing i know for sure is the glow CFR's are not SL's and I THINK they are old (1st) molds. Youll have to email Mark@discgolfvalues.com or call to verify on the other x-outs. Let me know how it goes. Tell em Dave sent you.

Hey Rendroc,

If you can tell the diff bet a teebird T and a TL, you can tell the SF's apart. The 2nd run has a minilip like a T and the 1st is smooth like a TL. If you get a 2005 SF it will probably be a T lip 2nd mold. Also, some 2nd molds were/are marked SX. The newest (3rd mold) is the SL. They will be making and marking them both now. There are a few late 2004 SF that are 2nd mold to add to your confusion.

Sweet, thanks roc

Does anyone know what run the Starfires that were given away from the 24 Hour Disc Golf Charity Marathon are?

If they are a 2nd run, then I have (2) 175g available for purchase ($20/each). I'm only taking cash because they are being sold through our disc golf club.

I tried the Champion SL today after work. OMG!
Take the 2nd Stafire and ease up on the low end stability a little, thats the best I can do for a description now. Disturbingly long.

who knows where i can get one around 170g?!?!?!?!?!

What wt are you throwing? Is it strait? Are you getting the same distance as Pro?

175 is the weight, it has a slight dip to the right with very high speeds, but very straight for the most of the flight. The cool part was it not falling to the left as much as the regular Starfires. I haven't thrown the pro enough to give an accurate call on any distance advantage/disadvantage. Sorry. Maybe I'll be able to get some more time today after work.

Toolniz,
The only thing i know for sure is the glow CFR's are not SL's and I THINK they are old (1st) molds. Youll have to email Mark@discgolfvalues.com or call to verify on the other x-outs. Let me know how it goes. Tell em Dave sent you.



They are not the SL molds. I sent him an email, and am waiting to see if they are first or second S molds.

Here is what Dave Dunnipace reported on the cfr starfire-L:

"There have been three distinct Starfire configurations, but there are only two being made now. The cfr original's numbers are probably 10, 4, -1, +3. The current model is probably 10,4,0,+3. The numbers for the Pro are 10,5,-1,+2. The numbers for the CFR SL are pretty close to the Pro, but I don't know if we have finalized them yet as we haven't had a lot of throwing time and they appear to be half numbers, which we don't want to use. I would say 10,4 1/2,-1/2,+2 1/2. Too messy. "

His numbers' assesment is straight from the source, so should be considered gospel. I didnt get to throw the cfr-SL as much as i liked, i did get to throw it in some different conditions (uphill,Downhill, into wind,with wind) and overall if you like the pro starfire you will like the cfr-SL as well. the grip tends to be a little weaker because of the difference in plastic from the pro to the cfr starfire, so you may lose a tiny little distance but the durability issue far outweighs any shortcomings in plastic gripability. i was throwing a 165 gr. cfr-sl at 5000 ft. alt., comparing it to a pro starfire 170 gr. and 171 gr., the cfr-sl is just as stable as the two pro starfires if not more stable, with great glide, has a good lift to the flight path at the end, and may finish/fade a little harder that the pro starfire, but nothing out of the ordinary.
for me this disc is much easier to throw and control than my ce firebirds, which may be replaced by the cfr-sl in the near future. furthur testing is required, but initially i think its a winner.

Here is what Dave Dunnipace reported on the cfr starfire-L:

"There have been three distinct Starfire configurations, but there are only two being made now. The cfr original's numbers are probably 10, 4, -1, +3. The current model is probably 10,4,0,+3. The numbers for the Pro are 10,5,-1,+2. The numbers for the CFR SL are pretty close to the Pro, but I don't know if we have finalized them yet as we haven't had a lot of throwing time and they appear to be half numbers, which we don't want to use. I would say 10,4 1/2,-1/2,+2 1/2. Too messy. "




I have only thrown Pro Starfires, but judging from other's reports on here about the CFR Starfires, those numbers sound quite accurate. Although I might venture that the numbers for the Pro are closer to 10,5,-1.5,+1.5 with more high speed turn and less fade than advertised. They certainly ebb to that direction after even just a little use. (wide open holes, grass-only landings, no tacos into trees)

I just finished a three state discgolf tour (Warwick & Mt. Kisco NY, Campgaw NJ, and Wickham CT :) ) and put a 175g CFR SF-L through its paces. For comparison, I had a 170 CFR SF (2nd run) and a 168 Pro SF (beat to s**t). I max out at 375 on flat ground.

The first thing I noticed about the CFR SF-L is that there's a pronounced ridge where the dome meets the massive rim. In other words, its nothing like the other two SFs.

I don't know if it was the +5g but the SF-L was difficult to flip from hyzer (similar stability to a new XPred or Tsunami but faster and a much longer glide) whereas the 170 CFR was about as easy to flip as an Orc (and flew almost the same) and the Pro SF would continue turning past 300ft :o. All three are really really fast, with the best glide coming from the Pro-SF (naturally).

At Campgaw and Wickham, I got a chance to throw some downhill BOMBS with the SF-L, with my best throws of the weekend being a run at the chains on Campgaw's 400 (440?) ft hole 14, and landing almost even with the pin, 100 ft to the right on Wickham's 600 ft hole 7. If Campgaw's main slope was mowed, I would have risked it on the steeper/longer holes. As it was, I parked a TL on the 570 ft hole 17 :D

The glow x-outs at discgolfvalues.com are 2nd run starfire's, Mark also has cfr-sl's for sale, and cfr fl firebirds x-outs. Always good deals and great people.

You've got that right, Mark is great guy. My CFR-SL Starfire's will arrive tomorrow.

just ordered me a glow xout starfire anybody thrown these and know what mold they are. are they pretty stable or no

Yeah I have one glow xout sf from www.discgolfvalues.com. (http://www.discgolfvalues.com.)
It is not stable... overstable.. nice hold in headwind. :D

SX mold. Yes, they are stable.

They're pretty sweet. I seen one yesterday with the same star stamp (not the usdgc star stamp flame release) on the sidewinder and I also saw a BL with a star stamp. You say BL? = champion Beast L. Both were Barry's from Innova. A buddy of his got them from him.

I purchased a CFR Starfire-L off Ebay, it arrived today. What is confusing me is this thing says "SF" on the bottom. Are the Starfire-L's marked as SF or SL and is there a way I can verify i actually got a SL? I can tell the difference between a T and a TL and there is no mini lip on this thing so it's like a TL. Above someone mentioned a pronounced ridge where the dome meets the wing, mine is smooth. I had a Pro Starfire but gave it to a friend last weekend. I have never had any other CFR Starfires to compare this thing to, but it does look and feel like the Pro Starfire I had. It is a CFR from the St. Patrick's Classic, Orangevale California. Bad arse stamp to be sure, but I also want to know that I got a SL and not a standard Starfire.

To my understanding...the CFR Starfire-L is supposed to look just like the Pro Starfire as they are ran in the same mold just different plastic.

My Champion Starfire-L's (purchased from discgolfvalues.com) say SL on the underside..

my sunking Starfire is marked SL

Mine too.

Is the sl just made for tourneys?? thats what i have been told, true?

mine has the twisted flyer stamp

Ok, so maybe this one was just an early run and mis-labeled? Someone tell me, does the standard Champ Starfire have a mini lip like a teebird? Because if so, then this is indeed a SL because there is no lip, like a Pro S. This would be so much easier if I owned or had even seen a regular Starfire in the past. If I had to compare it to a disc I do own, I would say its closest to a Valkyrie with a wider wing.

Joe, I have a first run starfire. I will let you see it next time I see you. The first run starfires don't have the "hook" like you can feel on a teebird.

If this SL is less stable than a first run starfire, then I know I won't like it. Plus, the orc does what I am imagining the SL will do.

SF is most likely a first run. If you look at it on edge and it seems to have a slight s curve to the bottom lip, it is a first run. The SL is a much straighter line from nose to inner rim. While, as others said, the SX has an outer lip similar to a Teebird.