2005 Waco Annual Charity Open



Played at Cameron and Cameron East (a.k.a. the Beast).




Am Weekend B-tier: June 11-12

Entry: Advanced Divisions-$45
Intermediate Divisions-$40
Recreational Divisions-$35
PDGA Player fee $3
Ace Pot is $2
Total with ace is $50 Advanced Divisions, $45 Intermediate Divisions, and $40 Recreational Divisions.



Maceman doubles will be Friday.
Player's Meeting will be at Redwood Shelter at 8:30am
First Round Starts at 9:15
Lunch will be served at the course both days.
As always we will be doing the super CTP (6 CTPs during Rd 3 with someone also receiving fifty bucks cash)
All women who play the event will receive $10 per night off their hotel room.



Make checks payable to:

Joey Harrell

2001 N 39th A Street

Waco, Texas 76707

Phone# 254.716.2181


email [email protected]

Signup is also available at titledisc.com (http://titledisc.com)

This is a Charity Event Benefiting Friends For Life

After this past weekend I am craving another tournament at Waco but I will be in the land of bad payout (KCWO) that weekend. I hope all you guys have fun and someone brings the win back to H-town. :D:D

Matt, thanks for coming this past weekend. Wish I was gonna be in KC with ya. Those guys put on some good events and the courses are sweeeeeeeet. Look for my Evil Twin while you are there. He has been spotted lurking the area. :)

matt, what division are you playing in the wide open?

This is the only 2 day event I had planned on this year.

It also falls on the week after my asst manager quits.

If my ratings stay below 955 and I can swing it, I am going to do everything I can to be there.

Too bad, I really wanted to give Matt a spanking. Maybe I should go to the KCWO instead.

Naaa, Waco or bust.

Pizza God I will be there so you can whip up on me. :cool:

I hope to be able to make this one. The entry fee is really nice. There were only two events I had not missed until last year. Doubles (National and World since 97) and Waco. I had to miss Waco last year, but looks like I can make it back this year. Really love those courses and Joey has always ran a great event. Hope to sign up next week. :cool:

I was going to play ADV but I heard we don't play Water works so I might move up just to play there. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

well that sucks we arent playing water works. well looks like ill have to go up a day early. i think you should still play adv though i wanna play against you

Well it ids up to Dave because he may want me to play up for experience and I need a lot of that before worlds. :D:D

ya true, i think you'll tear it up though, well either way, good luck :D

That would be cool Gary, I enjoy good compeditors. (that don't have additudes like some of the pros)

only 7 more months till I am a rookie Master :cool:

I hope there is a good master turnout this year again.

I have always loved this course (courses), town and people.

Where are folks planning on staying?

I will be there for sure,,, it will be good to see ya again Jake,, and hopefully play around or two with ya..

Same here Gary... should be fun.

Undebleevable! What happened to WACO? less than three weeks away and no banter about this tournament? Use to be one of the hottest tournaments in Texas. Where is everyone?

I sure a lot of players will be there. It does not look too good for me. I will be out of town for a week getting back to DFW on 6/2, the on 6/3 i loose my Asst manager of the last couple of years.

I have a replacement being trained, she is doing good, but I don't know if I could leave her for a full weekend in charge by that time.

Then my 10 year old will be out of town that weekend and my wife does not want to keep the 3 year old by herself. (she drops him off with me anytime she does anything. infact he is up here at the store with me right now)

then there is the Rating issue. I have feeling that my rating may be too high with the new ratings due out today.

Thanks for the update

I just want to play, OK :D

:D

bump...

good seeing you all this weekend

We enjoyed seeing you too, my friend. I can't tell you how disappointed I was not to be able to finish. That's never happened to me before.

Aaaaanyway, enough about that. Is there going to be a freakin' Adv. Masters field, or what? OMB's have all gone away this year, it seems. The FSM was one of the rare MM1 fields I've noticed in '05. Granted I haven't been to any tourneys, but I keep an eye on the events, scores, players, etc.

I'd like to try to make this awesome event, if I can throw without bawling like a big ol' baby. :)

If there's no OMB's, I can always play REC! :)

There'll be at least one OMB there. Undomesticated equines couldn't prevent my participation. :eek: :D

ombs will be there, i assure you. the dallas-arlington contingent will almost all be there.

I'd like to try to make this awesome event, if I can throw without bawling like a big ol' baby.



That's easy, just don't watch where your disc goes when you throw. :cool::eek: :D

I hope you're well enough to play.

:D

Hmmm....

Here's 1 oldie but a goodie trying to make the trip.

Looking forward to throwing these courses again as well as seeing all the other loser MM1's. ;)

that would be OMB's,, :Dand I am there

this may be the first tourny where my funds are going to keep me away. won't be able to defend my texas 10 first place finish and give the other omb's their shot at me. :(

Joey, if I wanted to change divisions,from adv to adv masters,when do I have to let you know? :cool:

see there you go charles already jumping on it. :D

Welcome to the dark side Charles. Frank, are you playing the Twisted event at the Vet. Saturday?

is that the jdgf tourny that your asking about? if so then no i'm protesting the late fee. that's the second one i haven't played now because of it,

i say we take up a collection for frank so he can play the Waco! he can pay us back later. but we gotta have frank at the Waco!

you just want to kick me around on the beast. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

yes, but i also want to have you there. this will be the best dfw omb turnout since Cedar Hill, and there wont be another for a few months. you need to represent!

trust me i would love to be there. my favorite tourny's are right there in waco. it seems to bring out the best in my game.

I told you before I'd pay your entry, but I get all your winnings. :cool:

so come on frank, you in or out? play, for pete's sake!

I'm good for $2. See you there.

I just had confirmation I can play MM1 in this one. :oActually I won't be able to make it but I hope you guys have a great weekend.

aren't you still a little wet behind the ears for mm1. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Oh no I acually can play MG1 but I want to play n a larger field. :D

Where's all the Waco talk at?? I am looking forward to this one.. Always a gr8 tourny.. Joey has done a gr8 job and I look forward to another gr8 year!

say joey ,the way the the "SHORT COURSE" sits now . will it stay the same for the tourny? :confused:

so frank are you going to take up dukie on his offer?? i bet there are a few of us that would help you out.

Joey is there a players list yet??

are there course maps anywhere online for either/both course(s)?

duke used to have some pics online of the golden beast.

I'm going to have to withdraw, but if Frank speaks up quickly, I'll let him use my spot.

The course maps for the gold beast are still up, but the hole numbering is different.

http://www.lsdga.com/beast.php

Found these maps on the park and rec pages.

Waco course maps (http://www.waco-texas.com/city_depts/parks/discgolf.htm)

pretty nice.. thanks!

Are many women playing this one? I am already signed up...just wondering about others :confused:

Are many women playing this one? I am already signed up...just wondering about others :confused:



Frank??? :o

aw dude, thats COLD! funny.... true.... but.... COLD!

:D

Yeah he will be playing in the womens division :D:D

Where's everyone staying Friday and Saturday night?

Holiday Inn sounds good. Any better ones?

tic toc tic toc,, come on Friday :D

Will we see a players list someday before Friday? Thanks in advance.

Hmmmmmmmmm. Maybe.

Who's taking sign up's Friday. I'll be there around 5pm.

HI is always good. we're at the Marriott Residence Inn, right down the street from Olde Cam. swimming pool , whirlpool , BBQ area...

Jake, gonna be good to see ya there, Champ!

hey that's where we are staying,, got one of those suits..

come on Joey we know you can do it.... :D

Joey will get my registration tomorrow morning. Staying at the Victorian Inn Saturday night.The tournament's just not going to be the same without Dukie and Pinkie though.

Pinkie has the chance to go but we will see if he takes it,,, i think he is now part chicken :D

pinkie has a lot of stuff going on right now. its not fair to pressure him on this one. if he does come, that would be great. if he doesnt, he will certainly be missed!

yep, us also. got the wife, the kid, and the mom coming along. they'll prolly cruise the zoo on sat while we're playing. i might hitch a ride to or from the course if ya have room.

What's the schedule like for the advanced division? I might bring some spectators, and wanted to know which courses are played in what order.

Also, on Sunday are we playing the first round at 8:30am?

Thanks

Glad I asked Gary and Pat. I'll try to get in at the Marriott as well. Current "Champ", you're welcome to hitch a ride with me if needed.

Three Adv. Master Texas State Champs (2000(I think), 2004 and 2005) playing this one.
What pressure! Sure going to be fun.

Mace man doubles on Friday. I can't get up there till 5 or so, but would like to play. Anyone else playing?

Three Adv. Master Texas State Champs (2000(I think), 2004 and 2005) playing this one.



2005 - how do you know this one , jake??? :D
2004 - sandalman
2003 - jake
2002 - kent bray
2001 - jeff nintzel
2000 - corky dunn

so other than 04 and 03, who's playing?

Sounds like he is assuming that this year's TX Champ will also be playing Waco. Guess that means he is counting me out in Houston already. :cool:

Are double being played on The Beast?

Is the tournament HQ---and thus the Player's Meeting---at the Pavillion on Cameron West? Or near the horeshoe pits on The Beast?

Sounds like he is assuming that this year's TX Champ will also be playing Waco. Guess that means he is counting me out in Houston already. :cool:



No way Gary, I would never count you out. I simply figured wrong. I am in the CRS (Can't Remember Schat) division right. :confused: I couldn't even remember want year I won states. Kent is the other master champion that will be present besides Pat and me.

Glad I asked Gary and Pat. I'll try to get in at the Marriott as well. Current "Champ", you're welcome to hitch a ride with me if needed.

Three Adv. Master Texas State Champs (2000(I think), 2004 and 2005) playing this one.
What pressure! Sure going to be fun.

Mace man doubles on Friday. I can't get up there till 5 or so, but would like to play. Anyone else playing?



...1999, 2002...but zero threat = zero pressure

Tournament HQ is the Redwood Shelter on the Olde Course.
Friday:
Late Registration and Check-in

MaceMan Doubles from 4-6pm (Pick your own partner) Signup at Redwood Shelter and played at East

Saturday Player's Meeting at Redwood - 8:30am
Round 1 Start- 9:15
All Advanced divisions start on East
All other divisions start on Olde
Round 2
1:30pm All other divisions on East
2:00pm All Advanced divisions on Olde

Sunday
Rd 3 Starts at 9am
All Advanced divisions on Olde
All other divisions on East
Rd 4
1:00pm All Advanced divisions on East
1:30pm All other divisions on Olde

Awards to follow

Lunch will be provided free of charge to all players both Sat. and Sun.

Look forward to seeing y'all.

Hey Joey, I see my check hasn't made it to the bank yet. Did you get it?

kent, the one for the tourney, or the one for your pdga membership ? :D

Hmmm...someone's lookin' up stats. :DI'm just a po' ol' wanna-be-a-has-been. Cain't afford no PDGA membership. Just time to visit old friends before they forget me.

I got it Colonel. Going to the bank tomorrow. Thanks, Joey

That's cool, my brother. Just wanted to make sure I was in. :cool:

Joey you got a pm.

WE NEED TURNOUT!

two courses one combining classic oldschool disc golf with beautiful parklike water front setting... the other a demanding modern day skillz course...

it dont get much better than this!

hope to see about 180 or so of you there for the main event of the Spring schedule!

Joey? Any response to my earlier question????? :cool:

Spring? You been outside lately? :p

Anyways, I agree. In my mind, Waco is the one can't miss tourney of the year. Great TD and awesome courses. Da beast rules.

However, drink bottled water. ;)

aw come on... not even 100 degrees yet up here...

Joey, if I wanted to change divisions,from adv to adv masters,when do I have to let you know?

Hey Gun, Let me know by Friday please. Thanks, Joey

If you're still looking for a room in Waco, I just booked one at the Ramada Limited & Suites (http://www.ramada.com/Ramada/control/Booking/property_info?propertyId=12478&brandInfo=RA)...which is about 8 miles south of the courses.

The two main ammenities I'm looking for in a hotel when I travel for disc golf are free Wi-Fi and a pool/spa. This Ramada has the free in-room Wi-Fi and an indoor heated pool and spa.

The rate was $64/night.

Rooster,

Any chance of getting the scoopster to play this one. He could catch a ride with me.

Rooster,
I try to find WiFi as well whenever I stay away on business, and I found that Choice hotels (Comfort Inn, Comfort Suites, Sleep Inn, etc.) very often offer free WiFi. In Waco, I'm sure there's a Comfort Inn that might be cheaper, and Comfort Suites would be about the same. I love the layout of Comfort Suites. I stayed at one of the Tulsa ones, and it was SO clean. Not to diss the smokers out there, but the one in Tulsa I was at didn't allow smoking, and it was the cleanest, best smelling hotel I've ever stayed in. I'm definitely staying there next year for Worlds. Maybe by then I'll have a free week's worth of points!

I doubt it...he's not able to get any time-off from work right now on the weekends.


He said he will be playing in the Conroe Bang'n Chains at the end of this month though...

Too bad - Ok...

I checked the Comfort Inn in Waco, but their best rate for this weekend was $81, and while they do have high-speed Internet access, it's not wireless.

The nearest Comfort Suites is in Temple.

That's a 40 to 30 minute drive but we do have drinkable water.

Good to know. Hotel rates are weird. Sometimes they make no sense at all. Same with airfare. It's almost price gouging sometimes. It's just odd when often you can find a nicer hotel across the interstate for $20 cheaper. Go figure.

no worries on the ride if you need one flip flop.. :D

players list , if you have time Joey... :D

Will there be any saturday morning signups ? I'm definitely coming up to play but won't be there til early sat morning.Thanks.

If you are gonna show up Sat. , you had better see me by 7am.

Anyone Wanna Play Dubs? Just Let Me Know. Can't Wait WACO IS AWESOME!! ANY KINDA PRE-REG LIST!?

I'll play. :D:D

Anyone Wanna Play Dubs? Just Let Me Know. Can't Wait WACO IS AWESOME!! ANY KINDA PRE-REG LIST!?


I am probably looking for a partner for dubs if your interested... I will be there for the WIN. ;)

Dude me and robbie have to hang together Unfortunantly I won't be there to play. :D

quit wasting air time bro ,need space for more important issues.IF your coming bring it ,IF not then leave it!!!! :D

:D

PT and Robbie would be a good team,, seen them both play,,
you guys have to play with Jack and I..

I'm down..

i am wanting to see who has the longest drive,, have seen you both play and it should be fun....

I can't wait to go to Waco. I think I love playing there mainly for the beauty of the place, even now that my game is trash. If you've never done it, you should drive up the park road into the cliffs to some of the scenic overlooks, including Lovers' Leap. One of them overlooks the beast. I remember going to Cameron Park when I was 11 years old ('71), visiting my Grandmother. I even lived in Waco for a little while in '80 and visited my family there once a year up into the 80's. The boat races (@ the beast) are a blast. I guess they still have them in May. Seems like there's always something drawing me back to Waco. :) I'm bringing my mountain bike this weekend.

Just a reminder to everyone: Don't forget to bring some OFF. It will be well worth it.

Colonel you are showing your age. :)

What's up GQ? (Qollier?) It's probably better that showing my a**. Besides, I'm a YOUNG 44. :) See ya this weekend?

Are we going to be competing against each other like old times?

Gary, did you take the cash in Waco Pro weekend?

yeh he did ,but only 950.I think

Just a reminder Rocco, don't forget to bring your game...even if it's off!

Only make him not eligible to play Major event as an Adv player as long as his rating stays below 955. (currently 950)

I really wanted to play this weekend, but my new PDGA rating is now 965 so no more Advance for me :D

until next rating :D

Just a reminder Rocco, don't forget to bring your game...even if it's off!



Oh it will be "Off". /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Heard the chiggers are out at the Beast :D:

Cameron Park has several hazards besides water!!!
Bring a can of WD40 with you. If you get chiggers spray yourself with it.This will smother the chiggers. Believe it or not it works and you only smell like a mechanic for a few minutes!You might have to repeat the process once again.
You can get COW TAGS from a farm store and tie them to your shoes to help prevent chiggers, ticks, and other crawly insects and such.
AVON makes a product called "Skin so Soft lotion". It has sun block and insect repellent mixed together... works good and does not smell bad.
Another thing at Cameron Park is POISON OAK and IVY!
There are several products you apply before going out in it to help prevent getting it.
READY FOR A GREAT TOURNAMENT!!!!!!
P.S. anyone seen a players list yet???

Player's List

MA1 Gary Collier
MA1 Robbie Cooper
MA1 Stephen Brower
MA1 Paul Testa
MA1 Dan Norman
MA1 Derek Henry
MA1 Brad Granier
MA1 Joey Calvano
MA1 Bryan Oubre
MA1 Jeremy Lockwood
MA1 Marcus Lujan
MA1 Jeremy Ellis
MA1 Charles Cox III
MA1 Tony Bender
MA1 Jayson Houston
MA1 Gary Robison
MA1 Todd Golden
MA1 Bubba Berry
MA1 David Landis
MA1 Steve Browning
MA1 Robbie Bratten
MA1 Troy Soules
MA1 Steve Miller
MA1 Ian Hovey
MA1 Tom Toenail
MA1 Dusty Basnett
MA1 Nathan Derr
MM1 Mike Anderson
MM1 Lloyd Sitkoff
MM1 Walter Rayburn
MM1 Jack Tabor
MM1 Pat Brenner
MM1 Claydog Brumit
MM1 Gary Watts
MM1 Kent The Colonel Bray
MM1 John Hovey
MM1 Dean Main
MG1 Richard Lewis
FW1 DeAtra Edwards
FW1 Ginger Bowman
MA2 Alan Wang
MA2 Jarrod Christopher
MA2 Todd Brigance
MA2 Ken Ratliff
MA2 Jimi Castillo
MA2 Leon Gillard VI
MA2 Mike Sevinsky
MA2 Steven Parker
MA2 Steve Wind
MA2 Jason Chaffin
MA2 Kevin Willis
MA2 Eric Goette
MA2 Matt Weinberg
MA2 Joey Roper
MA2 Jason Conner

Only make him not eligible to play Major event as an Adv player as long as his rating stays below 955. (currently 950)

I really wanted to play this weekend, but my new PDGA rating is now 965 so no more Advance for me :D



I was really looking forward to playing against you.

Thanks for the response Joey. Will make a dec by tomorrow.... :cool:

Player's List

MA1 Gary Collier
MA1 Robbie Cooper
MA1 Stephen Brower
MA1 Paul Testa
MA1 Dan Norman
MA1 Derek Henry
MA1 Brad Granier
MA1 Joey Calvano
MA1 Bryan Oubre
MA1 Jeremy Lockwood
MA1 Marcus Lujan
MA1 Jeremy Ellis
MA1 Charles Cox III
MA1 Tony Bender
MA1 Jayson Houston
MA1 Gary Robison
MA1 Todd Golden
MA1 Bubba Berry
MA1 David Landis
MA1 Steve Browning
MA1 Robbie Bratten
MA1 Troy Soules
MA1 Steve Miller
MA1 Ian Hovey
MA1 Tom Toenail
MA1 Dusty Basnett
MA1 Nathan Derr
MM1 Mike Anderson
MM1 Lloyd Sitkoff
MM1 Walter Rayburn
MM1 Jack Tabor
MM1 Pat Brenner
MM1 Claydog Brumit
MM1 Gary Watts
MM1 Kent The Colonel Bray
MM1 John Hovey
MM1 Dean Main
MG1 Richard Lewis
FW1 DeAtra Edwards
FW1 Ginger Bowman
MA2 Alan Wang
MA2 Jarrod Christopher
MA2 Todd Brigance
MA2 Ken Ratliff
MA2 Jimi Castillo
MA2 Leon Gillard VI
MA2 Mike Sevinsky
MA2 Steven Parker
MA2 Steve Wind
MA2 Jason Chaffin
MA2 Kevin Willis
MA2 Eric Goette
MA2 Matt Weinberg
MA2 Joey Roper
MA2 Jason Conner



Wow, strong MA3 field.

Did your brother give you the money for my entry fee that I gave him? When I gave it to him I was afraid he might spend it on 3 copies of the new Elton John cd.

I don't know that I would recommend the Beast to too many true Rec players. Old Cameron? Absolutely. The Beast? mmmmm.....No.

Play OMB Charles.

Sure wish I coudl take a stab at redemption on the Beast, but it will have to wait.......

Joey always puts on a great show, so show him some love, and pre-reg!!!!!

Joey always puts on a great show, so show him some love, and pre-reg!!!!!

thats pretty funny considering how the event starts tomorrow :D:D:D

Play OMB Charles.



Only if he's scared.

Tony, Where's Kat?

Ms. Ginger, sure wish I was headed your way, but funeral has sidelined my golf for the weekend.

See ya next month at Live Oak Open.

Sorry about that Susan. I am not sure about the Live Oak, we'll see. I hope we get some more women. Who's playing?

I know that Laura Hovey is tied up with kids this weekend, and I haven't talked with anyone else lately.

What about those new Austin girls, Emily & Michele?

Tony, Where's Kat?



She wasn't coming due to work, but (mis)fortune struck at the jobsite--delaying the need for working all weekend. She's now coming.

GREAT :)

**** it! Well now we can hear when the ladies S T A R R R R R T :D

Oh yes, there's nothing like standing next to Ms. Bender at the tee box and clearing the cobwebs out with the sounds of Kitty Kat and her famous call.

LOL

Good luck to all the LADIES this weekend!

Nice shooting in day one for the Golden Triangle boys!!! Dustin, Tim and Kev tearing it up in MA2 and Jeff tearing it up in MA3!

Scores are posted here but the ratings are off http://pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5159&year=2005&includeRatings=1#Advanced

Go get'em Edman. A couple of those guys ahead of you have been playing advanced longer than I've been playing period! DO I NEED TO NAME NAMES!!!!!!!!!!!

isnt that the truth, What I cant figure out is, if once you accept cash and forfeit your chance for worlds, why would you still play ADV? makes no sense. Anyway good luck to all the Austin players.

Honestly, everyone has their story so blasting them was a little quick on my part.....maybe not! But, if you've got time to finish in the top five in ADV for several years in a row. It's time to test your skills at the highest level. I played for the love of the competition, not money or discs. I couldn't wait to play pro.

On a more productive note. I hope everyone is having a great time in Waco. Joey, is a true prince of the sport. If there is a lifetime acheivement award the dude's got to get it.

Oh, anyone find my initials carved in a stump on East yet? Did you take a five? :eek:

hey would this be the first time someone cashed on the pro weekend and then won on the am weekend of the same event :o...lets see if he can finish this year :p

my moneys on Ian Hovey killing it those last 2 rounds and taking his money once again or at least I hope that happens.

That's good money on Ian, He's a TRUE playa.

Thank you Waco...Courses, lunch, spotters, and the boat ride at the players party were awesome. Thank you Joey Harrel for a well run tournament, maybe next year you could get that bagger Carson to do some work. :D

scores?

Gary wins it. I think he beat Robbie Bratten and Bubba by 2 strokes.

Ian took a double-circle 8 on #17 on Old Cameron during the morning round (en route to a +8 round) to kill any chance of making a run in the afternoon.

Does anyone know anything about a DGer that got in a wreck on South-bound I-35 between Hillsboro and Waco, someone in a black SUV? I passed by the wreck at around 7 am-ish, and had no idea it was a disc golfer, but someone said it was and that their discs were all over the road. I didn't happen to see that but was wondering if anyone knows anything about it.

Tourney was completely awesome, first class all the way through. I wish I hadn't strained some muscles and could have competed on Day 2, but there is always next year...and I doubt Mr. Collier will be able to play on Am weekend next year!

Gary wins it. I think he beat Robbie Bratten and Bubba by 2 strokes.

Ian took a double-circle 8 on #17 on Old Cameron during the morning round (en route to a +8 round) to kill any chance of making a run in the afternoon.



so I guess that #17 was in the long?

Yeah...17 in the long, and 18 in the long (up the hill)

A guy on my card put it under the basket on 18 (drop in birdie), big anhyzer. I think his name was Jason Conner :confused:

Collier is a BAGGER!! same iwth Ron Klien GROW SOMW BALLS!!!

Collier is a BAGGER!! same iwth Ron Klien GROW SOMW BALLS!!!



I dont know what you are taking about. At the Waco NT YOU FINISHED 25 STROKES BEHIND ME. Better luck next time.

hey Joey, congrats on yet another GREAT Waco event! thanks to you and the crew for an outstanding weekend.

now, PLEASE tell me the ratings are whacked :D

Nice chunkin Gary,four strokes better than the pro weekend :p...is this the first time a pro has won an Am event :D...and Pat the ratings are wrong just like last year

If different divisions played different course layouts in a round, I checked and the TD didn't assign different course layout in the online software. If someone can post which divisions played what layout each round, I can try to straighten it out.

Rd. 1
Adv Men
Adv Masters
Adv Women
Played the Cameron East(Beast)
Int. Men
Rec. Men
Rec Women
Played Old Cameron

Rd. 2
Adv Men
Adv Masters
Adv Women
Played Old Cameron
Int. Men
Rec. Men
Rec Women
Played Cameron East

Rd. 3
Adv Men
Adv Masters
Adv Women
Played Old Cameron
Int. Men
Rec. Men
Rec Women
Played Cameron East

Rd. 4
Adv Men
Adv Masters
Adv Women
Played Cameron East
Int Men
Rec Men
Rec Women
Played Old Cameron

This should help you out with the ratings.

See if the ratings make more sense now.

ah, yes, that looks better now... thanks chuck!

For those who haven't done the score posting, there are two steps. First, create the alternate course layouts which the TD did. But the second item is to assign those layouts to the divisions who played them in each round and click the update button for each round. We may need to provide a little more prompting to help remind TDs who we know are at least trying to upload results for their players to see ratings.

EXACTLY you should be playing OPEN YOU PUZZY

He's just playing by the rules that YOUR pdga created.

I guess so but if one had BALLS and can cash in PRO why play back down. Unless of course he has the surgery to remove said NUTZ. YES THE PDGA SCREWED UP in trying to grow their membership. :confused:

He's just playing by the rules that YOUR pdga created.



Exactly I was just hoping that when the last rating came out there wouldnt even been a question I thought my rating would have been above 955. Hopefully on the next update it will be.

WHY are you waiting on the RATING????? cluck cluck.. MOVE UP AND GIVE OTHERS A CHANCE HOW MANY ADV WINS DO YOU HAVE??

I don't agree with the decision or the rule, but he's playing by the rules that the pdga wrote!

He has the potential to be a great player, but he won't get there by treading water. The sooner he realizes this, the sooner he'll be on the road to recovery. :D

nice win BTW :p

Exactly I was just hoping that when the last rating came out there wouldnt even been a question I thought my rating would have been above 955. Hopefully on the next update it will be.



I feel sorry for the REAL AMS..

Exactly I was just hoping that when the last rating came out there wouldnt even been a question I thought my rating would have been above 955. Hopefully on the next update it will be.



I feel sorry for the REAL AMS..





according to the PDGA, he is a real am.

Look at the tournament where he played am and compare his scores to the open scores, and he would not have cashed at Cedar Hill, Z-Boaz, and I am sure that there are many other tournament that he played am in where he would not have cashed in open so what is the problem with an am playing am?

It is not as bad an some people who were playing open and then moved back down to advanced because it was too hard for them to get to the top. Hell the guy who took second is an open player why don't ya bust his balls as well.

I'm not busting anyone's balls Chris. I'm defending GC based on the rules written by the wonderful PDGA.

Dont hate on Gary just because he is playing by the rules.

If you have a negative comment to make why dont you email the PDGA and tell them how much you dislike this rule.

Its not Garys fault the PDGA wrote this rule.

according to the PDGA, he is a real am.



Correction: He is a Pro playing Am, as allowed by the rules. Once you take cash you still are a Pro.



PS - I hate #15 on the Olde course.

That comment was directed twards chris.

ps. #15 on the olde course rules. It is my favorite hole. :p :D

PS - I hate #15 on the Olde course



I don't understand Tony......don't you just throw a drive, then putt once or twice on #15 Olde?

ps. #15 on the olde course rules. It is my favorite hole. :p :D



i thought it was vinnie's favorite hole?

getch yer donkey!

I don't understand Tony......don't you just throw a drive, then putt once or twice on #15 Olde?



If you are playing well. Otherwise, you putt and roll, fish out, put and roll, fish out, then layup and drop in. Wait, does that add up to nine? :D

WHY are you waiting on the RATING????? cluck cluck.. MOVE UP AND GIVE OTHERS A CHANCE HOW MANY ADV WINS DO YOU HAVE??



I play for the competition. The only time I get to play is on the weekends. There was no other tournament in the area and I wanted to play. I try to play every weekend. Chris if you come to Conroe in 2 weeks you can show me what you got. /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

I don't understand Tony......don't you just throw a drive, then putt once or twice on #15 Olde?



If you are playing well. Otherwise, you putt and roll, fish out, put and roll, fish out, then layup and drop in. Wait, does that add up to nine? :D



it actually adds-up to 18 if you do it twice. :eek: :eek:

Actually, you drive once, approach twice, and then putt twice. Twice.

i am a bit partial to the Drive, Re-Drive, Re-Drive, up, putt, putt strategy myself :eek:

If you are going to take cash at an event at a PRO level and not just ANY event I'm talking NT here then you should realize that you are wrong for going back down to play an
Adv. division. He beat alot of good golfers and proved to himself and others that he can play with the big boys. Who cares what the rules say, this is not a rules issue. It is a fairness issue to your fellow golfers! Have some respect for your fellow golfers. This "I just wanted to play a tournament this weekend" is a load in itself.

Anybody with a response for me can dial 1-800-EAT-SH*T

It kills me to see everybody talking ***** about bagging. Bagging in Rec and Nov is one thing but Advanced is another.. Leave the guy alone. If he wants to win plastic instead of money thats his choice. Believe me I planned on going to Waco and whooping his arse but a bad day and a crappy attitude made that a little hard for me to do. Everybody back off his nutzz. He played a good tourney, he won, leave him alone.. He didn't destroy the field, he could have been beaten, but he won. He was lucky I was not playing better. Congrats GC. Next time I will crush you.. :D

not sure Paul next time Gary will be PLAYING OPEN Will you??

Well in all honsety that was my plan after this tourney. I was going to play OPEN. After my Novice showing I am having to think it over again, but most likely I am done in ADV.

I enjoyed getting to play a round with Gary and PT (and Stephen Brower) at the Beast on Saturday.

Call them baggers if you want, but each of those guys is a great sportsman, a great competitor and a pleasure to play a round of golf with. I'm glad I had the opportunity before they move up for good.

And, speaking as one of the 'cheated' Adv players who had to play against some of the top AM players in the state...I feel anything but cheated.

All organized sports have rules, and gary is playing by them. I think though that once you accept cash in a tourney, there is no turning back, you are open. But that said come on guys there are baggers in every division, Exp. Adv. Women. In that group isnt their a previous Advanced Women World Champion, still playing Advance. There will always be baggers in every division...Anways great job Joey Harrell I heard you did it again, big props to U and your crew..

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Would that be Pro - advanced - intermediate? :D

I haven't met an Advanced player who hasn't accepted cash in doubles, leagues, unsanctioned singles, ace pots or side action like skins or wolf. Have you? Just because an Advanced player hasn't accepted cash in one type of controlled event, PDGA singles, doesn't mean they aren't willing to win cash in general or are somehow superior to those who have accepted cash in a controlled competition, especially if their ratings are in the same range. Pot calling the kettle black...

How about WE quit using Waco to talk about ratings.. There are other threads for all that BS.. How about we reserve this for Waco and, Joey,... On his anniversary pulling off another gr8 tourney.. Scores were posted so quick, I was very impressed. Thanks for all of your time and effort you put into the sport and your tournies... I look forward to next years!! Congrats on your anniversary and being a gr8 TD.

I have come to the conclusion that Gary is in Ams for different reasons, so be it, that's his choice. I had heard he wanted to be the first player to 10K points last year sometime. He's not robbing anybody of a win. He could of been beaten this weekend but nobody could play as consistant as him. Most players let Gary get to them mentally, maybe that's his drive. Every card I played on this weekend somebody was ragging on Gary. Zip it and beat him was my response. I've always felt regardless of rating or cashing when it's time to move on and play competion that your capable of competing with, do it. I played alot of rounds with Gary and he is very consistant. If your this consistant you should be playing pro at every event. In his case I just don't see why he is hanging around. Like I said in the beginning he's playing ams for different reasons. Good shooting Gary, again.

Great Tourney! Very Hot and Humid I shoot 6 up on the beast first round. Second round I finally had a chance to be in the same card with Gary. He is really nice and sportsmanship. Congrats to all winners in divisions. Next time I will drink plently of waters..... CRAMPS! :o

Was that the AM weekend we just played? Cause I've been to both and I didn't notice any difference. Especially when some cat cranked a flick shot over the river.

Thanks to the Waco crew and Joey for putting this event on, it will always be a stop on my tour.

That flick was swwweeeeettt.

That flick was swwweeeeettt.



That flick was nice. During pro weekend nobody got a flick over and PT you had some big booms over the river yourself. Ed next time I wont bet you on the over under of throws over the river. Enjoy my $5.

There can't be enough thanks but I want to personally Thank Joey for running another great tournament. To do this on your anniversary must have been tough but obviously you have a very supporting wife. Cant wait till next years NT. (I hope I am on cwares card :) .. Also a big thanks to all the spotters and volunteers for the weekend.

Cware is just mad because his rating is 957 and he can't play Advance :o:D

Cware is just mad because his rating is 957 and he can't play Advance :o:D



Give him time :cool::o:D

I cant wait either and no I am not mad because even if my RATING drops below 900 I have taken $$ and have BALLS to not STEP DOWN. :o

Do what works for you. If the guy you're complaining about took pro cash and is now winning in advanced, he'll be over 955 with the next rating update.

I'm looking forward to playing rec as soon as my rating catches up with my most recent rounds. Coming in DFL every time is a grind.

Joey - Thanks for putting on a great tourney. I enjoyed the people and the middle rounds /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Alright - I have one thing to ask and one to say
1 - To say - Back off of Collier. Yeah, he has won his fair share and so on. However, he played solid golf all weekend and beat you (me included). Now, let's open up the course and grow up the grass. Is Gary going to throw pro-rated rounds? No. He's following the a pretty fair rule, and he obviously plans to move up as soon as his rating goes up. If you want to bi_tch, why doesn't someone jump on JJ or Steve Lonart (989 rated playing 2005 Am Worlds)? That's bagging!

2. To ask
Who all cleared the Brazos?
I know these people did
Troy "+29" Soules, Testa, Robbie "Puny Arm" Bratten, Brad "Did he just do that with a two finger?", and myself. Anyone else?

I have no issue with lower rated pros playing Advanced on occassion. The issue I have is that Gary basically payed his entry to the AM B-tier with the money he won from the Professional National Tour side of the same event. Completely within the rules but a pretty weak move imo.

I have no issue with lower rated pros playing Advanced on occassion. The issue I have is that Gary basically payed his entry to the AM B-tier with the money he won from the Professional National Tour side of the same event. Completely within the rules but a pretty weak move imo.



At most tournament that are held on separate weekends, the Am's play first. Then you always have players that play both weekends. Do you complain about that. Just look at how many players play both Sat and Sun at the ZT10 Finals.

BTW, I never did better than 4th place in Waco as an Adv player, but in 1999, as a Pro, I got 12th place. My best finish ever in a Pro event (and A tier to boot)

No i have no problem at all with a player playing am weekend first and winning then going on to play the NT side and cashing....that is not the case here. Do I really need to explain the difference?

BTW, what does YOUR playing history have anything to do with it?? :confused:

12th in an A-tier nice... Maybe that is why they did not let you move back down lmao :D

Who all cleared the Brazos?
I know these people did
Troy "+29" Soules, Testa, Robbie "Puny Arm" Bratten, Brad "Did he just do that with a two finger?", and myself. Anyone else?




I got 3/4 across. :)

Brad's forehand and Robbie's Storm (yes, a frickin' Storm) were awesome.




As for those who care....errr whine about "bagging." Take care of your own house (and learn to putt).

Yo calm the talk gary is a am player always will be who cares what he did done or gonna do.

Holy snit you boyz have got to have somethin better to do like practice. The guy has no game and ill take you on a bad day Gary so heres the call {WOOF WOOF}. Hes not that good you guys are puttin him on a pedastol. Good win Gry but it aint gonna last here in this day of disgolf with all the youngsters comin up so enjoy and anytime (512)-619-1037

Well Chris if you would stop hiding out and come play you might get your shot. Right now you are not ready. Learn to Putt then come my way. /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif I dont have to throw 450 or more to win. It is all in the short game where you need practice. I have only played in 2 tournaments where all you need is arm to win. Round Rock and Big Arm on the Brazos. See you in Conroe Rodgers. :)

man, don't let em get to you Gary.

While I hate the rule, you didnt do anything that anyone else has.

In Florida for the Gran Canyon, a pro won the adv. division. Let's not forget all the mess with Ashville.

Congrats on another win and I hope you can join me in open full time soon enough!

Hell yea collier always good to hear snit back, Maybe so Conroe. PEACE hahahahahhaa!!!! Hey and you dont worry my short game is there and gettin better. Thats right short game to Fame....

lmao!!! :D

MTL, let's get something clear......there was no problems in Asheville, as the tournament was based on a sort of bagging scale. It was perhaps the best run event ever though, with SKINS!!!!!!!!

Back to your regularly scheduled ribbing thread.

Wow, THANK YOU JOEY & VOLUNTEERS Great Tourney ( <font color="red"> </font> as always )I had a great time with several different players that I had the opportunity to play with. There was only one person that I did not like playing with!

Ps. for those who don't know - It is NOT cool to talk @#$% behind someone's back just because they can't hear you. There were 2 others there that could hear you and you made yourself look stupid. Hey this is just a warning. DON'T let it happen again.

Sorry about that but it needed to be said. I will not mention any names, but you know who you are. Now back to the regular grilling of Gary Collier :D

BIG thanks to Joey and all the volunteers!! Awesome event and was glad to be a part of it this year. Had a wonderful time with the other players on my card (except one). Was great that Laura C got to play the last round with us. It made it a fun round and it is always great to get to play DG with her. Always great to get to see the people I only get to see at events. Look forward to next year!!

Easy there Brower. Stop the Grilling :) If you wouldnt have had that bad first round we would have played on the same card all weekend.

nice win gary!!! consider the grilling a compliment!!lol :D

There was only one person that I did not like playing with!



Hey, I played one round (Round 1) with you this weekend! Sorry about that 8 I took on #16 (the Beast) --- I can understand why you might not have liked having to witness that. ;)

why is the grilling limited to Gary...there where several with higher Player ratings at this event...and at every event for that matter :eek:

MTL, let's get something clear......there was no problems in Asheville, as the tournament was based on a sort of bagging scale. It was perhaps the best run event ever though, with SKINS!!!!!!!!

Back to your regularly scheduled ribbing thread.



Let's not forget that a pro won, another pro got in the skins, many pros took cashing spots from ams, pros played intermediate, and adv players (like yourself) took cashing spots from intermediates.

I would call that a mess.

There was only one person that I did not like playing with!



Hey, I played one round (Round 1) with you this weekend! Sorry about that 8 I took on #16 (the Beast) --- I can understand why you might not have liked having to witness that. ;)



Robbie I got to witness that to and you were just taking the scenic route.

Let's see Gary has a decent drive,solid short game,mentally tough,places quite often,and an all around good guy. Well let's just say there isn't enough of that in the Open division. Come to the Open and stay for awhile. If your game suffers and your rating allows you to go back down then go back down, but at least give it a shot. I have nothing against Gary, he just doesn't belong playing in the Ams world anymore; he has grown out of it.

did u see how many strokes that we beat him at spring valley?

And that is with out the final 9 holes.

I think that if he wants to play Advanced that you guys should let him be. It's not like he is wining by 10 strokes. I mean he shot a 61 on the beast and you guys think that is bagging. Winning 10 straight advanced tournaments is bagging, winning by 10 strokes is bagging, shooting a 7 over par to win by 2 is not.

its kinda funny everyone grilling collier over not playing exclusively pro!! He actually wants to play open!! I remember him telling me recently how he had hoped his rating would move above the 955 line so pro would be his div.. He is just playing the game as the pdga has established!!

Hay I have no problem with this guy playing Advanced, but if he wanted to play open who is stoping him? :confused:

You could hav a sub 900 rating and play open.

I think it is more of the matter the pdga memberships has almost doubled since he started playing, and he is still playing amateur...

Is anyone forgetting this was an AM only weekend!! And it will most likely be the last am event Gary will ever play in waco!! :DLike he had the option to play open in Waco this weekend!! I wish he would remain in advanced for a couple more years!! He is one of those guys who I enjoy trying to beat, good competition!!

Hey PDP said that he showed up to play am weekend and the TD said that he could not play? is that true his players rating is low enough, and he's never cashed.

did u see how many strokes that we beat him at spring valley?

Yeah he had his son's with him that weekend and....

You missed the part where won items were donated to NewB's. The comeraderie of the event was far superior to others. Again I say perhaps the best run event. And who cares about those pro guys anyway's. This tournament was an enlightening event for many, and one I would say needed to occur, to shed light to others. BTW, I agree in principle with you though.

Hey PDP said that he showed up to play am weekend and the TD said that he could not play? is that true his players rating is low enough, and he's never cashed.



Chile I saw PDP carrying somebodies bag, :)

Chile I saw PDP carrying somebodies bag

you mean NUT SACK :o

Ps. for those who don't know - It is NOT cool to talk @#$% behind someone's back just because they can't hear you. There were 2 others there that could hear you and you made yourself look stupid. Hey this is just a warning. DON'T let it happen again



Thanks man... You are cool ... Dont worry.. I am used to that.. Thats why I am glad to be deaf and dont need to hear their @#$% talks while I putt. :D

MTL, let's get something clear......there was no problems in Asheville, as the tournament was based on a sort of bagging scale. It was perhaps the best run event ever though, with SKINS!!!!!!!!

Back to your regularly scheduled ribbing thread.



Let's not forget that a pro won, another pro got in the skins, many pros took cashing spots from ams, pros played intermediate, and adv players (like yourself) took cashing spots from intermediates.

I would call that a mess.



I'd tend to agree...

IF we had an amateur classification of players.

what?
Who would talk about you Joey? You are way to nice of a guy!
I am the only one that can't get away with talking waste matter about YOU ;)

Thanks man! Hope to see you in next tourneys. :)