ck34
May 10 2005, 02:03 PM
Here's an option that I'm not sure has been used much although I've seen it happen before without much discussion. Bodies of water are not OB by default. They have to be specified by the designer/TD. I believe the rules then defualt to allowing players to take casual relief from water when not specified OB. However, the third option for water is to consider it a 'playing surface' that's inbounds but no casual relief is allowed by the TD.

The times when I've seen this option get invoked is when the skies open up and the ground is soaked during an event such that the ground is soaked eveywhere. One example I remember was in Austin, MN when we had a gully washer during lunch break. Some of the lowland areas were essentially 2" deep lakes but the course was still "playable." One hole went along a creek and you couldn't tell where the normal OB line would be located until you saw a guy walking then all of a sudden disappear. We allowed relief to throw where his waist was above water with no OB penalty.

But there's another day-to-day situation where this rule makes sense. We are looking at a hole where the fairway is essentially the 20-30 foot wooded corridor down a shallow rocky creek bed 6-10 feet wide that has variable flow with some areas where a disc could be surrounded by water a foot deep some times during the year. The creek bends away to the left just in front of the basket. The problem with using casual relief is that the line of play back from the basket could take the player up to 200 feet farther away before reaching the bank because the straight creek bed aims right at the basket. Marking OB is impractical with 600 feet of rocky shoreline and water levels moving up and down throughout the year, sometimes with 3/4 of the creek rocks without water cover.

So, the plan is to make the creek area in play where players have the choice to mark and play it where it lies, or take an unplayable penalty if they don't want to get their feet wet and move it to the left or right up to 5m. Seem reasonable? BTW, this hole is one of the most spectacular par 3 holes in the world with a 20' elevated tee looking straight down the wooded corridor to the pin 305' away.

May 10 2005, 02:39 PM
Or you could just ask the offensive player to take a bath.

cromwell
May 10 2005, 03:15 PM
is this really a new "rule"?

casual relief is just that... casual. even if a straight line back from the pin keeps a player standing in water, they have the option to back up to that point if it's a better option for them (can stand on a protruding log, or in shallower water than where their disc was, etc). Or, they must play their disc where it is unless they claim an unsafe lie and take the appropriate penalty.

I'm just not sure if this thread is meant to be a "new rule" proposal thread or simply pointing out how the rules should be enforced.

ck34
May 10 2005, 04:21 PM
The TD has to specify "No casual relief allowed" otherwise it would be allowed by default if the creek were not called OB. So, it's not a new rule, just something that isn't usually specified.

sandalman
May 10 2005, 04:47 PM
We are looking at a hole where the fairway is essentially the 20-30 foot wooded corridor down a shallow rocky creek bed 6-10 feet wide that has variable flow with some areas where a disc could be surrounded by water a foot deep some times during the year. The creek bends away to the left just in front of the basket. The problem with using casual relief is that the line of play back from the basket could take the player up to 200 feet farther away before reaching the bank because the straight creek bed aims right at the basket.

wow, thats an excellant description of Crowley's #3! we play it with casual relief, although the walk back on the LOP is so long that most people play it where it lies. so it ends up being just like the TD declaring "no casual relief". (casual relief is more frequently invoked during the times when the creek bed has partially dried up, leaving smaller pools of nastiness)

our hole does allow a righty hyser as an alternative - either a low glide down a trail, with the risk of hyzering too early into the muck, or a hyzer bomb that goes out over OB territory with the risk having the reentry blocked by the tall trees that mark the OB line. this hole has no easy shots! even within the 10M circle there are trees and slopes that can test the nerves.

when playing in sandals, casual relief from water is seldom of any real consequence /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

circle_2
May 11 2005, 11:44 AM
when playing in sandals, casual relief from water is seldom of any real consequence /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


...'cept for the 'squishiness' for the next coupla holes... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :p

sandalman
May 11 2005, 12:05 PM
nope. squishiness is what socks and shoes get. airdry is what sandals get. :cool: