I think today ive finnaly got my 168 beat enough to hyser flip and stand up accurately, but havent gotten to the field to dial it in. What wts are yall throwing and hows it working for you. These discs will turnover OR hold a hyser for me when needed. This disc seems to balance right on the hyser/anhyser apex pretty well. But they sure get bowled over by the wind! Also, any comments on the 1st run or 2nd run CFR's is welcome. My 2nd mold CFR battles the wind like a champ (so far, ive only thrown in 15mph headwind and L to R tho).

I've only been throwing my 168 Starfire in fields, and have also gotten it beat up enough to hyzer flip pretty well. It holds a great hyzer line, and seems to be a huge turnover disc when needed. I have also had the problem of throwing into wind. When thrown at hyzer, the thing just flips over in a 10mph wind. Perhaps I'm throwing it wrong. I'm currently trying to purchase a CFR Starfire I can use for headwinds since I really like the shape of this disc.

Chris

I was playing with my 172g and 175g Pro Starfires in the field yesterday. They are both relatively brand new, and that is good because they are a great stability for max D right out of the box. I release them high and left and watch as they slowly turn for most the flight and then glide forward and left at the end. I was throwing the 175g flat and the 172g slightly hyzer. On a good throw these discs were longer than my Champion Orcs, but the Orcs were more consistent as there were variable winds. The Pro Starfire is definetely one of the longest discs out there. The new CFR Starfires are a different disc altogether. I've thrown mine quite a bit (175g), and it does not seem to do anything spectacular. It does not resist turn any more than my Champion Orcs, and it does not seem as fast. It fades a little less, but all in all in ends up about 10-20' shorter than my Orcs and flying on the same line.

If starfires are more understable than orcs I won't be using any. The orc is nice out of the box but it becomes a turnover disc after 2 trees. Since I never throw backhand turnover shots because I always throw sidearm instead for those shots, the startfire won't be in my bag. Give me something fast and overstable and reliable that goes really far and doesn't become useless after hitting 3 trees.

Don't hit tree's , unless you aim for them. If you aim for tree's
Try a Champion Whippet X :D

No apostrophe in trees dude

And there should be a comma after 'trees,' dude [not to mention a period at the end of the sentence].
:D
dude

I think today ive finnaly got my 168 beat enough to hyser flip and stand up accurately, but havent gotten to the field to dial it in. What wts are yall throwing and hows it working for you. These discs will turnover OR hold a hyser for me when needed. This disc seems to balance right on the hyser/anhyser apex pretty well. But they sure get bowled over by the wind! Also, any comments on the 1st run or 2nd run CFR's is welcome. My 2nd mold CFR battles the wind like a champ (so far, ive only thrown in 15mph headwind and L to R tho).



I found the same thing with regards to its stability. I can throw a hyzer, anhyzer or straight shot fairly easily with either the 170 or 175g Pro Starfires I have. I also find that while there are better choices, they don't really do all that bad in the wind given some extra hyzer. I tried out my somewhat used 170 in the wind on Saturday and I ended up with a lot wider 'S' than I normally get when I throw it for a golf shot, but it still flexed out and went pretty far. Downwind they're great. I still feel like I have a bit more control with my Vikings, but sometimes it's nice to get a few extra feet out of a throw.

I still feel like I have a bit more control with my Vikings, but sometimes it's nice to get a few extra feet out of a throw.



These definitely aren't discs for accuracy. The amount of turnover I get will vary, especially if there is even a slight headwind. But released properly, I can always count on a long slow turnover flight that will eventually do the reverse 'S' and come back for maximum distance. For pure distance shots on a wide open par four hole, for example, nothing in my bag is flying further.

I don't know what it is about this disc, but it goes for me. Even up wind if I compensate for the turnover it goes much farther than other discs for me. Down wind is even better; I don't have to compensate for the wind and it adds distance. The secret for me is to really emphasize the snap and not pull out of the reach back too hard. That is, a nice easy pull up to the whip and then whip it hard to impart as much torque as possible.

While I haven't seen the Quarter K yet, this disc seems to deliver what the QK is said to, at least for me.

These definitely aren't discs for accuracy.



I disagree, this discs are easy to control over a long distance. I think of it as a ultra long mid-range disc. It goes where I throw it ! Released with hyser it goes left, released flat it goes straight, released with anhyser, it goes right.

I disagree, this discs are easy to control over a long distance. I think of it as a ultra long mid-range disc. It goes where I throw it ! Released with hyser it goes left, released flat it goes straight, released with anhyser, it goes right.



What weight are you using? I'm using 167g Pro Starfires. Released with hyser they flip to flat, released flat they do an 'S' turn with predominantly a turnover flight, released with anhyser, they will roll.

released with milk and you get a nutritional breakfast treat! :D

I have thrown 166-175.

I have thrown 166-175.



I've thrown a 170 and a 175 and I really haven't noticed a big difference between the two. Granted my distance I throw them isn't all that impressive (~350' or so) but the Pro Starfire's flightpath seems to be more consistant across the weights than some other discs for me. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, though. ;)

If I keep the disc low and hard it flies very straight for me. When I go for max distance up high I loose some of the accuracy, as compared to an Orc for example, but that is simply because the disc flips so much more than an Orc does. In my hands the disc has as much accuracy as any disc that flips. I like to throw down a line and have the disc work down that line till it tails off at the end. Orcs do that very nicely for me. Beasts flip a little but still hold the line very well, Pro Starfires flip even more but they gain a lot (5-10%) of distance for that flip. On long open holes they are my go to disc. I won't throw them in the woods, I'm too cheap to buy new discs when they taco.

The whole notion that discs are more or less accurate seems a little off to me. Discs go where you throw them. an overstable discs fades left (RHBH) and an understable disc flips and or fades right. If you throw down your line and know the flight characteristics of the disc you should get what you expect.

i agree that i wont really throw them in a round at most courses around here, they have a nice s curve. i cant really get any hyzer on mine, but for pure d, theyre awesome

yeah I wouldn't throw them around here Jack. I hit a few trees with mine and Richard threw it and it slide under a car so it is flippy for me now. I sold it to Chris Temple this weekend for $5 and he can throw it straight.

I had a light one (upper 160's) that turned into an anny disc after but a few trees. The heavy one (174) is more Orc/Valk like to me. No trees yet. Good disc for some of the open holes around here like 9 and maybe 11 out at Cedar Hills.

The whole notion that discs are more or less accurate seems a little off to me. Discs go where you throw them. an overstable discs fades left (RHBH) and an understable disc flips and or fades right. If you throw down your line and know the flight characteristics of the disc you should get what you expect.



The 'flip' on a distance driver disc can be unpredictable, even with good technique. Sometimes you get a lot of turn, sometimes a little, with dramatic differences in where the disc ends up. Compare that to an overstable disc, where you know that it's going to fly straight then hyzer, so you just aim out to the side and let it hyzer in. You're going to get a lot more predictability and accuracy with the overstable disc, and less variability in where the disc ends up.

It all depends on how hard you throw the disc. For me personally this disc is vary unpredictable since I have to throw it 30-40ft in the air with hyzer to get max distance of over 400ft. If I throw it flat and hard with only 10-15ft of air like all my other throws if cut rolls at about 290-310ft.

My advice is if you have an arm don't waste your time, but if you can only throw 300-300ft this is the disc for you.

Zach, the world distance record was set with a 164g DX Valkyrie. Chances are if Sandstrom had listened to your advice he wouldn't have set the record. It does take good technique to throw understable stuff far -- I'll grant you that.

Hmmmmmmmmm...............

I'm throwing a Pro -Starfire 172. It's a rocket.
Turns over a little , but a bit of practice , it's really cool.
Not as overstable as a new Orc.
I'm able to Flick it with half arm speed and drive it easy 360.

Zach, the world distance record was set with a 164g DX Valkyrie. Chances are if Sandstrom had listened to your advice he wouldn't have set the record. It does take good technique to throw understable stuff far -- I'll grant you that.


I'm not talking about setting a world distance record. I'm talking about making good golf shots. Tele me what hole you would throw the Pro starfire on at Idlewild I bet it doesn't add up to much. Maybe hole 1,3,and 15.

Idlewild is a very tight, wooded course and throwing anything but durable candy is risky there :D. The Pro Starfire is a distance disc. On the holes you cite I prefer the Pro Orc, but I am still learning the Pro Starfire (haven't thrown it much yet). I might use it on 5 (over the top). I use a beat CE Valkyrie on hole 14 long and on 3 long when there's a tailwind. On holes like 8 and 11 I use a Champ Orc.

What do you like to throw on those holes?

The 'flip' on a distance driver disc can be unpredictable, even with good technique. Sometimes you get a lot of turn, sometimes a little, with dramatic differences in where the disc ends up. Compare that to an overstable disc, where you know that it's going to fly straight then hyzer, so you just aim out to the side and let it hyzer in. You're going to get a lot more predictability and accuracy with the overstable disc, and less variability in where the disc ends up.



Too true but it seems to depend on the thrower (at least from what I've observed) and wind conditions. It seems that the more arm as oppossed to torque, that you put on a disc the more likely the disc is to flip. Wind of course helps this. In actuality I hit my mark better with a Starfire than with the straight flying Orc. I fully admit this is because I always underestimate the fade on the Orc but the fact is that for me the Starfire holds onto the line I'm envisioning better and comes down near to that line more often.

I alos think that for any given player there are a range of discs that are understable to overstable and those do not directly overlap for all players. In my range the Starfire is just stable enough that the flip is minor where as the Express is an uncontrolled flip. For you the Starfire is too understable because you have greater arm speed/strength than I do. Matt Hall rolls every Starfire that he throws, simply because he throws so hard.

I might suggest that a softer throw would bring the Starfire back into the non-uncontrolled flip status for players like you and Matt, but why would you need to? On the other hand having the touch to control such a disc and get it to fly straight without flipping might be another tool... The question is would you need that tool?

Idlewild is a very tight, wooded course and throwing anything but durable candy is risky there :D. The Pro Starfire is a distance disc. On the holes you cite I prefer the Pro Orc, but I am still learning the Pro Starfire (haven't thrown it much yet). I might use it on 5 (over the top). I use a beat CE Valkyrie on hole 14 long and on 3 long when there's a tailwind. On holes like 8 and 11 I use a Champ Orc.

What do you like to throw on those holes?



Hole one DX beast of CFR starfire
hole three beat DX beast or roller.
Hole Five a Beat putter to the stump, or a CFR starfire over top.
Hole ten a beat up putter or CFR starfire over top (less now since it's grown in).
Hole eleven tee-bird
hole fifteen a DX beast or CFR starfire

The DX beast may be replaced with an X-crush

I only picked Idlewild since it's a course that requires an accurate shoot and I know you play it all the time.

The Pro Starfire is a distance disc.


That's exactly what this disc is! That's why I think it's a bad golf disc since must hole are around 330-360 and 10-40ft wide with some exceptions. The starfire for me does not work as a golf disc but it does work as a distance disc.

Znash, your throwing a 1st mold CFR SF arent you?. Have you tried the 2nd mold? Much more overstable (like a fast Firebird).