what is a scooby ?

i thought it was short for scoober, taken from ultimate that is a mini hammer (tomahawk) thrown fairly flat.

a friend of mine thought it was a type of roller shot.

does anyone know ?

fritz, the Scoober or Scoobie comes from DDC, or Double Disc Court, a Frisbee court game. The Scoobie is thrown with a backhand grip, overhead forehand side. It has the same spin direction and similar flight to an overhead hook thumb shot.

Okay,

If that's a "scoobie", then what do you call a throw that one grips identically to a right handed backhand shot, only the disc is turned upside down in the grip and launched almost vertically towards the target? I've heard it called a "grenade". The disc usually carries a straight to slight arc flight and if thrown properly lands and if it doesn't land in the target, hits the ground, bounces about a foot or two off the ground and comes to rest. (usually no roll, unless approached to an elevated surface)?????

Some people use Scooby to refer to a little roller that curves around, the kind of roller you might use 70 feet from the basket when the only route is a big arc on the ground.

redroc, I've only heard that described as a grenade.

what is a scooby ?

i thought it was short for scoober, taken from ultimate that is a mini hammer (tomahawk) thrown fairly flat.





That's a pancake

A grenade is thrown backhand vertically with a steep hyzer. The grip is a wrist flip grip, simililar to a power grip, but with the disc upside down. The shot has backspin, so when it hits the ground it stops dead. The Scoobie is gripped backhand power grip, but thrown overhead forehand type delivery, not backhand like the grenade. The spin on the Scoobie is forward. These are two very different verticals.

A grenade is thrown backhand vertically with a steep hyzer. The grip is a wrist flip grip, simililar to a power grip, but with the disc upside down. The shot has backspin, so when it hits the ground it stops dead. The Scoobie is gripped backhand power grip, but thrown overhead forehand type delivery, not backhand like the grenade. The spin on the Scoobie is forward. These are two very different verticals.



so a right scobbie has the same flight as a lefty hammer ? we nick-named these bammers. i guess when used in ddc, it needs to stay fairly flat though.

If by hammer, you mean a lefty two finger vertical, then yes. A righty hook thumb (tomahawk), lefty two finger vertical (hammer), and righty scoobie are all the same orientation and spin direction. The Scoobie, however seems to have a bit more spin than the tomahawk, or hammer.

i have never heard someone say that a tomahawk and thumber are the same... i have always heard hammer (vertical for you) and tomahwak as the same...

what do you call what i thought was a scoober ? it sounds like the forehand version of the same shot that you described, just shorter...

So what disc would you recommend for the shots you mentioned? I know that most people use an overstable driver for a tomahawk or thumber so you can leave those out. I think that an overstable driver would also be what you'd use for a grenade too. I use an aviar for a pancake but I guess any round edge would work depending on the distance and speed of turn needed for the shot. But what about the scoobie?

what is a scooby ?

i thought it was short for scoober, taken from ultimate that is a mini hammer (tomahawk) thrown fairly flat.

a friend of mine thought it was a type of roller shot.

There is a scoobie roller that is distinct from the scoobie air shot. Hard to describe either; you really need to see them.

Scooby roller: use a backhand power grip (thumb on flight plate, four fingers curled around rim), lift the disc up over your shoulder on the same side of your head as your throwing hand, reach behind your ear with the disc sorta vertical, pull down and away and try not to hurt yourself. :)

I finally understand someone's description, thanks Rhett. Now if I can just figure the rest out.

I saw a guy make a few of these shots (below) the other day. Went up high over a tree and stopped dead. Here's the shot:
Hold disc in power grip, thumb on top, fingers curled under. Drop your throwing hand down to your side, top of disc facing your body with disc vertical. Swing your arm a touch back and flick it straight up with mostly your forearm and wrist. Maybe that's the scooby you guys are trying to describe or maybe its something else entirely. Either way it was cool to watch, the backspin stopped it dead right at the pin and he went OVER a tree that I would have went around, funny to watch others shot selection :D

wow that brings me back to my earlier days(almost 2 years ago) When i used to throw all sorts of weird shots.. I know what your talking about and it's a cool type of shot.

-Scott Lewis

...reach behind your ear with the disc sorta vertical, pull down and away and try not to hurt yourself. :)


Yeah, this throw puts a lot of strain on the forearm and tricep. :( Might wanna try it with some very light plastic first. That said, its a great trick shot for rolling a putter out of the deep woods.

Now I'm totally confused. Lefty and righty has nothing to do with it.
As I understand it from freestyle days back in the 60's and 70's, a
tomahawk and a hammer are the same throw. Thrown with a forehand grip and a vertical orientation (or nearly so) with an overhead motion, similar to throwing a baseball. Flip the disc over with the thumb under the rim and you've got a hook thumber.
Here's where it gets tricky. A regular 'thumber' from the old-school days is quite different from the hook thumber. We used it in 'guts' a lot because you could rifle the disc at somebody HARD and it was very difficult to catch. Put your palm out facing up. Lay the disc on your palm. Pull it back (towards you) until the underside of the rim hits your thumb. Now grab it with all four fingers curled over the top and with your thumb pressed against the inside of the rim.
Now throw it sidearm or overhand.
That's a thumber.
Or at least, it used to be.

:p

P.S.
If I use the same grip and throw backhand (disc upside down), I think that's a grenade.
Or is it a pancake?

Put your palm out facing up. Lay the disc on your palm. Pull it back (towards you) until the underside of the rim hits your thumb. Now grab it with all four fingers curled over the top and with your thumb pressed against the inside of the rim.



That's how I used to throw a normal frisbee for catch when I was younger. Of course, we didn't "rifle" them at each other /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Tomahawk and hammer/pancake are the same grip/throw sort of. The old school hammer/pancake throw is more over the top of your head with the desired flight being upside down, landing upside down, and sliding on the flight plate. The Modern Tomahawk is thrown more like a baseball pitch, farther out over the shoulder, with the desired flight being up, over and the flipping back and diving. The hook-thumber and the tomahawk are the same throwing motion with the disc diving opposite directions at the end.

IMO, of course. :)

Where's the scoobie snacks? :D