i know that most first run CE eagles were in the blood run but i heard some were run in yellow as well, do you think that this one is actually a first run....
web page (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=79804&item=7153570223&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW)

that is not a 1st run. looks more like a 2nd or final run to me ;) :cool:

orange and yellow came out in the second run.

Yeah,

that definitely looks like a 2nd Run EL from the picture (deep dayglo yellow color and rainbow stamp)... if it has a notch under the rim however, it could be a last run CE E "lookalike."

Are you guys sure? I remember when they came out and I swear that there were red and yellow discs in the order I recieved from our supplier. I'm not saying that the disc in question is a first run. The swirlly in the center makes me wonder.

I've only seen 1st Runs that were red... my yellow second runs were in the same plastic as the CE Aviar and 2001 CE Roc... they are in close proximity time wise, but not a 1st run CE Eagle... (maybe your shipment a combo of 1st run and 2nd runs?)

Cam Todd was selling some last year that he stated were 1st runs and were yellow. I know I have some White and Yellow TL's that are marked with the weight in the mold cricle and the large TL above the mold circle like the red first runs.

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I've only seen 1st Runs that were red... my yellow second runs were in the same plastic as the CE Aviar and 2001 CE Roc... they are in close proximity time wise, but not a 1st run CE Eagle... (maybe your shipment a combo of 1st run and 2nd runs?) [/quote


Didn't we talk about this already? There are YELLOW first run CE eagles I have two of them one I bought when they first came out and the other I won in a CTP at the 2000 Lizard doubles.

The answer once again is first run CE eagles came in red and yellow and possibly white not just red.

Erick you have to stop with the misinformation about CE plastic. Were you buying CE in 2000? Because your stats only go back to 2003 4 years after CE started.

The eagle in question however does not look like a first run based on it�s somewhat translucent plastic. First runs are completely opaque.

Having a bad day> :confused:

Actually,
I bought my first disc in late in 2001... it actually was a Peach/Watermelon CE Eagle EL...165... I didnt start playing very much until mid 2002... joined the pdga in 2003.. I don't think that it is fairly uncommon for someone to play disc golf for a little while before joining the pdga... is it?


Erick you have to stop with the misinformation about CE plastic. Were you buying CE in 2000? Because your stats only go back to 2003 4 years after CE started.



Can you find something I wrote on here that would warrant this comment? Very confusing, seing that I've never personally attacked anyone on the pdga boards...

Yes, it is Monday.. do all of us a favor, and pull the stick out of your A** .

--Erick

We talked about this before BG on another thread. Sorry I was so confrontational.

Sorry again I came off as such a jerk.

No problem...

I appreciate that...

Because we're not speaking face to face, words can often be miscontrued...

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I am by no means an expert on runs, etc. I often collect and trade different discs, and my experience is somewhat limited as I only began playing late 2001/2002. I feel I do have a good knowledge on different runs, but my experience again is limited to what discs I've actually had in my hand. I'll refrain from putting absolute terms on any of my posts from here on out.

-Erick

Actually, brookeep, I am glad your stick poked you when it did and thanks for posting up some good, varafiable knowledge (thank God for date stamped Tourney discs). I wish someone would publish a difinitive, well informed CE reference BEFORE the combination of time and resins makes everyone starts forgetting what happened. There is some good info in the archives but its hard to reference and in my short time, ive seen lots of misinformation. Does anybody have anything like an actual document or collection of threads (esp from back in the day)? Ive collected lots of stuff in my time and documentation is key to value.

You can ask felix(fore), he is really good with runs of discs.

It is hard to differentiate between some runs by just looking at them. Some you have to feel.

This is a good thread to get people to look at an auction! :D

Are you guys sure? I remember when they came out and I swear that there were red and yellow discs in the order I recieved from our supplier. I'm not saying that the disc in question is a first run. The swirlly in the center makes me wonder.

Hard to tell from the size and resolution of the picture, but it appears that the "swirly" in the center is the logo for Sandy Point Resort and Disc Golf Ranch in Lac Du Flambeau, WI. I believe the Sandy Point course went in in the mid-90s, so it's certainly possible that they would have had custom-stamped first run CE Eagles, though even if they did, that, in and of itself, would not be enough to establish whether or not the particular disc being offered in this auction is a first run.

You can ask felix(fore), he is really good with runs of discs.

It is hard to differentiate between some runs by just looking at them. Some you have to feel.

I have it on what I consider good authority that there were yellow, as well as red, first run CE Eagles; additionally, based on this exchange (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Equipment&Number=39172&Searchpage=0&Main=38585&Search=true&#Post39172), I consider it is highly probable that there were also white first run CE Eagles.

As Will states, runs are more easily distinguished by feel than by sight, but even feel is not necessarily a reliable test, since there are any number of relatively simple ways to "doctor" a CE disc to make it feel like it came from a different run.

The first I heard of CE Eagles was when I got a stack of them that included red and yellow. These are the overstable pig Eagles that I consider to be the first run. I would throw them all in a big grass field trying to figure them out, and the yellow and red flew the same: super overstable. I took my star-stamped CE Gazelle out of my bag since these Eagles were "regular production". They don't beat up and they are overstable as heck. Yellow and red.

I have a white CE Eagle that I bought used. Love the way it flies, slight flip to flat then a nice straight flight with a small fade at the end. It only has "E" on the bottom, but according to someone at the Crosstown Classic this weekend it's definately a EL. There is no ridge on the outer part of the bottom, just smooth transition from the lip to the edge. Is this correct that it's an EL and is there a way to decide run in the event of needing a replacement? Not sure if I showed it to Felix, but if I see him again I will.

You are right Felix, that does look like a hotstamp in the bigger picture. In the small one, it looks likes more like a blemish from the factory.

Were the first runs REALLY flat? I have an X-out that was white (before the dye job) and really flat.

I've got blood red, yellow w/red swirly and white 1st/2nd run CE eagles. All have a kind of dull finish unlike the final runs. They are all overstable pigs - even at 160g. A feature that may be relevant is : Does it have a lip? or is the underside edge flat? I've got no 1st/2nd runs with an underside lip or as it's sometimes referred to as "flashing". The shiny finish makes me think "final run".

Course I'm no expert - just an eagle fanatic.

I have a white CE Eagle that I bought used. Love the way it flies, slight flip to flat then a nice straight flight with a small fade at the end. It only has "E" on the bottom, but according to someone at the Crosstown Classic this weekend it's definately a EL. There is no ridge on the outer part of the bottom, just smooth transition from the lip to the edge. Is this correct that it's an EL and is there a way to decide run in the event of needing a replacement? Not sure if I showed it to Felix, but if I see him again I will.

JoeT, if the bottom rim is flat, it's definitely an EL.