Boneman
Apr 27 2005, 12:29 PM
I recently picked up a couple of Z Storms (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3123-EZSTM) from MB at sunkingdiscs.com (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?) . I'm really enjoying the way this disc feels and flies.
I have also been throwing an O5 SB Roc lately. And it's my feeling that I like the new Z Storm as much, or better than the SB Roc. It's not exactly the same ... so I won't be leaving the Roc out of my bag. It will be fun to see how both of these discs break in over time.
I have to say ... the '05 SB Roc plastic is incredibly durable and resistant to damage. More so than the Z plastic.
Any other impressions of the Z Storm?

Sharky
Apr 27 2005, 12:59 PM
Well I have never thrown a Z-Storm but that won't stop me from weighing in

I too am using the SB Roc a lot, on short approaches I often power my champion aviar, on longer approaches I use the SB Roc heavy at 178 but dependable as dirt, I also use one of the World's super rocs when I want a hyzer finish guaranteed, now when I do not feel that a roc will get me there I pull out a champion stingray which would be comparable to a Z-Storm I believe, when I am way out I pull out the Sidewinder or pro-orc. Anyway, sorry for the ramble, perhaps my best advice is use as little disc as necessary to get the job done. Putters are easier to get close then rocs, rocs easier than drivers, fairway drivers easier than ultra long range drivers. I hope you got something out of that, thanks for letting me vent :D

JDiel
Apr 27 2005, 02:33 PM
boneman i have been throwing a z storm for a while,(over a year) it is the disc i use when i need to throw a very precise line, it is very accurate as long as the wind is fairly calm, (it turns over in the wind) the z plastic is holding up great and the disc still flies like it did the day i got it. great disc
i am glad to hear that discraft is now making a production run of this disc in z plastic (mine is one of the fundraiser discs)

cbdiscpimp
Apr 27 2005, 02:42 PM
I think he is talking about the new PRODUCTION RUN of Z Storms and I know exactly what he is talking about. They are like the Z Flick and Z Talon plastic. The opaque plastic that best up alot faster and harder then the Clear Z Plastic. I love the feel of the opaque stuff and with the Z Flick its GREAT that it beats because then you can use it for LONG LONG LONG Hyzers and still trust it :D

Apr 27 2005, 03:02 PM
I got my production Z-Storm in the mail the other day, but haven't got a chance to throw it yet. The plastic is opaque and grippy, like Pimp said, but the flight plate feels much floppier than any Z disc I've ever felt. It's more like some of the gummy lightweight Champ plastic. Anyone else have a floppy Z-Storm, or is mine just a freak thing?

junnila
Apr 27 2005, 03:03 PM
Most are like that, the DGLO ones are a little stiffer but not too different.

bslamoreaux
Apr 27 2005, 05:51 PM
I've been throwing the Z-Storm since it came out for the Great Lakes Open (2003?). It has been in the bag the whole time. Very true and reliable line each time as long as there is no head wind. Too flippy in a head wind.

They are awesome. I ordered some of the new production for the Cedar Hill DGA and sold all but one the first day.

Chris Hysell
Apr 28 2005, 12:10 AM
Well I have never thrown a Z-Storm but that won't stop me from weighing in

I too am using the SB Roc a lot, on short approaches I often power my champion aviar, on longer approaches I use the SB Roc heavy at 178 but dependable as dirt, I also use one of the World's super rocs when I want a hyzer finish guaranteed, now when I do not feel that a roc will get me there I pull out a champion stingray which would be comparable to a Z-Storm I believe, when I am way out I pull out the Sidewinder or pro-orc. Anyway, sorry for the ramble, perhaps my best advice is use as little disc as necessary to get the job done. Putters are easier to get close then rocs, rocs easier than drivers, fairway drivers easier than ultra long range drivers. I hope you got something out of that, thanks for letting me vent :D



Sharky, why don't you start some Roc lovers thread and stay off of the Z Storm thread.


Z Storms. I grabbed a bunch of the fund raisers from last year but haven't thrown the new ones yet. After giving some away and throwing one for a year, I'm down to three left. Ask me about the new ones around 2009.

riverdog
Apr 28 2005, 09:47 AM
I second that BSL. Liked the X Storm, but they beat up too fast so bought a Z DGLO when they first came out. They are even better than a new X. Bought a stack of them as quickly as possible but the original is still in my road bag where it is my primary approach disc for flicks and downwind approaches and drives. There are some things that a heavy Champ Cobra does better but day in and day out, when in doubt throw the Z-Storm. :D

brookep
Apr 28 2005, 03:05 PM
The best Z Storms are the 150 class. Those things go 300+ on a rope with very little effort. I throw them like a beat in putter high and flat.

cbdiscpimp
Apr 28 2005, 03:11 PM
I just got my gf 3 of them yesterday. Maybe ill steal one and it will become my tight technical course disc :D Ill give it a try in Kalkaska this weekend :D

riverdog
Apr 28 2005, 04:26 PM
Brooke and Millz, comments from both of you got me to thinking, which, if you know me, can be a dangerous thing. In fact, I believe I just pulled something in my left brain. Anyway, Brooke, even though I like the mold I didn't like the 150g versions. I'm not a powerful thrower by any means, but my release apparently isn't smooth enough to keep from turning the 150 over. However, I use the 174 Z Storm I have been throwing forever as my primary, short to mid tommy disc. Kind of a get out of jail free disc when the only reasonable alley out and toward the pin is overhead. Now my primary long in the woods tommy disc is a 150g Champ Cobra, and I never did try the 150g Z Storm in that situation. Gotta do it.

And Millz, don't know you personally, but from comments you have made on the board before, if you ordered your girlfriend 150g Z's, do yourself a bigger favor and get some 172+ Z's of your own. My home course is entirely wooded, tight and technical and the heavy Z Storms are the ticket. To me the 150g Storms are as unpredicatably understable as a beat to snot Comet, one second straight as an arrow, the next taking a right and keeping on going. The Z Storm, heavy DGLO version at least, is just a sweet, sweet disc. Enjoy. :cool:

cbdiscpimp
Apr 28 2005, 05:18 PM
And Millz, don't know you personally, but from comments you have made on the board before, if you ordered your girlfriend 150g Z's, do yourself a bigger favor and get some 172+ Z's of your own. My home course is entirely wooded, tight and technical and the heavy Z Storms are the ticket. To me the 150g Storms are as unpredicatably understable as a beat to snot Comet, one second straight as an arrow, the next taking a right and keeping on going. The Z Storm, heavy DGLO version at least, is just a sweet, sweet disc. Enjoy.



I may try the heavier ones but what I like about 150 is i dont have to reach back and all. All i have to do is pretty much snap my wrist and I can up a 150 disc on a rope out to about 250 or more with no run up no step and just some snap. Im still trying to find a disc I can throw nice and smooth and it will just go dead straight for 250-300ft. Im working on beating in a D BUZZZ right now because i lost mine at Hudson Mills 2 days ago and im also in the process of beating in a new D Challenger to see if i can get my desired flight out of that thing :D

brookep
Apr 28 2005, 06:11 PM
If you move your thumb more twoard the rim away from the flight plate you may be able to make it fly stable.

riverdog
Apr 28 2005, 10:20 PM
I'll give it a try. I do that with drivers just naturally but for some reason never thought about it with relatively narrow rimmed mid ranges. Danke.

mikeP
Apr 30 2005, 02:01 AM
I picked up one of these a couple of weeks ago. The Storm always interested me, but I never liked the idea of it becoming understable after a few good whacks in the elite X plastic. The Z Storm is incredible. It is made out of the weighted Z plastic, I assume because, like the Flick and Talon, the mold does not possess enough volume to weight up in normal Z blends. Mine is blue and weighs 178g. It is about the same stability as a Z Buzz, but with more glide and faster. 30 feet longer than a Buzz on the same throw. I am getting it out to 380' thrown flat, flying flat, with almost no fade (light winds). It is also an extremely true and effortless approach disc, dropping out of the air when out of speed rather than really fading.

I am most impressed with the disc as a forehand disc. I have not had a whole lot of luck getting decent forehand distance (200-300') out of typical mids (Roc, Wasp, Buzz, Shark) due to some off-axis torque problem that always sends them wobbling left whenever I try to get a good snap when releasing them. The Z Storm rips out of my hand very smoothly and holds its line almost magically. I have completely replaced my Buzz with this disc, and I am throwing it more and more instead of other discs including the Teebird because the Storm is so friggn long for a mid-type disc.

As far as durability goes, its not as hard as normal Z, so it probably won't hold up quite as long. I know I have hit a couple of trees really hard so far and I haven't noticed any flight difference.

riverdog
Apr 30 2005, 12:07 PM
I'm with you Discspeed. I have considered myself very lucky that I "stumbled" on the original DGLO Z Storms when they were fresh off the mold. I loved the X Storms but three trees and, well, it just wasn't a Storm any more. I've had great luck with the Z's remaining consistent or at least changing so little or so slowly that you just evolve with the change. I recently added a brand new DGLO Z to my home course bag and have had to make zero adjustment over the beat to snot DGLO Z that has been in my road bag for over two years. It'll be interesting to see if this Z version gets the recognition it deserves now that it is more widely available. :D

May 03 2005, 02:42 AM
I had a report that came from someone close to the PDGA comms director. The guy bought a brand new blue production Z-Storm and broke it his first round.

mikeP
May 05 2005, 03:21 PM
That's freak. I have a blue one that I've hit trees really hard with and it has broken-in, but not broken :eek:.

May 05 2005, 07:34 PM
This is the first I've hear of a 150 Z-storm. Interesting.
Do they go significantly farther than, say, a 150 MRV?