Hello all. This is pretty much the putter I started out using. I am not a good putter at all.
I use the between the legs toss up and I notice I cant throw over 20' with any accuracy. My disc starts to flutter. I think this may be because of the soft plastic of my putter. Even if Im just trying to putt in a general area, I cant throw over 25'. I know this isnt right.
It must be my form or something. I do remember my old wizard being much easier so Im gonna get one of those and try it out. The E version should be here soon.

Any opinions on this putter, or videos about putting form?
Greatly appreciated.

It�s not the Arrow, it�s the Indian.

Check the throwing tech. topic, there are also alot of websites with tips, just do a search, also watch and talk to good putters.
But remember there are many different styles so find on that works for you.
-Matt

Eh i dont know about putting with an E wizard. Its AMAZING for drives and approaches but a little slick for putting. S wizards are much better. But the wizard is the way to go putting wize.

The JK Aviar-x is a great putting and approach disc if you like the soft feel. I love them, and I have noted that in addition to being the putter of 5x time World Champ Juliana Korver, they are also the go-to putt and approach disc in Dave Dunipace's bag. The flutter you're getting sounds more like a technique problem than the fault of the soft plastic to me.

If you don't care for softer plastic, the stiffer KC Pro Aviar may be to your liking. The KC Pro Aviar and the JK Pro Aviar are the same Aviar mold (driver mold with big bead) in different plastics.

I suppose if you asked what kind of electric guitar is best to play, some would suggest a Les Paul, some a Telecaster, some a Stratocaster, etc. It really comes down to what works best in your hands. If you are really good, you can probably play well with anything (but it's going to take a lot of practice!) :D

Thanks very much for the replies.
Ill look up some more on technique before I go out tommorow. :cool:

here are some links to a few old discussions on putting:

"What is the best way to putt? " (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Technique&Number=351938&fpart=1&PHPSESSID=)

"Putting Secrets" (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Technique&Number=72227&fpart=1&PHPSESSID=)

anolther excellent resource is Blake T's site. He does an excellent job of breaking things down:

http://www.discgolfreview.com (http://www.discgolfreview.com)

I recently aquired a JK-x, and I was suprised at how "soft" it really is. I usually putt with a Soft Challenger (and practice with a stack of them), and I like soft putters. The JK is VERY soft and a little mushy to me (Are they all so soft? I can practically stretch mine out of shape). The Soft Challenger is a bit firmer, and holds it's shape well, even if you want to throw it a couple hundred feet � yet it still has that soft grippy feel that I like (not quite as sticky as the JK-x). It is also pretty flat like the JK-x, which I like (I don't care for the domey Elite X Challenger, and just tolorate the dome on the Crystal Challenger, because it's a good disc).
I think the JK-x is a cool putter, and I might use it occasionally, but it will not replace my Soft Challengers.
If wind is a "problem" or if I need a little more D, my #1 go-to putter is a beat med-soft Wizard [175], or #2 Crystal Challenger. Awesome discs!
It seems to me everyone has very different taste and needs when it comes to putters, and putter plastic. I have tried many, and I'm glad I did. I found a putter that works well for me right now in the Soft Challenger. Will I ever change? Probably ... doesn't everything? Deep eh?

Boneman...

along the same lines... I use black soft challengers (with 04 worlds mini stamp) exclusively. They do have a great feel; soft, yet it keeps it's shape. I've noticed however in warmer temps the disc will get softer than I care for... I'm currently working on some supersoft wizards which have a very simalar feel to the soft challenger. The supersoft wizard has a firmer rim, which I feel in the heat will lead to a more consistent release. The wizard seems to have a little more glide and less fade than the soft challenger...

--Erick

Erick � Sounds like a great disc. I would love to try one (or more) when you have some ready. Drop me a PM!
I totally agree about the temp problem with the 1st run black SC's. I have found that if I don't stack them perfectly well, or keep them in a practice bag, and let them lay about on a hot day (like in my car, doh!), they can get warped pretty easily. My solution ... I boil some water, lay them out on a counter, and fill'em up. Let them cool down and Shazam! Works great, gets them nice and flat again � and gets the dust off them, which is another issue with tacky plastic.
It seems that the colored SC's are less susceptible to warpage. But maybe not, I play with a newer yellow one every day, and it's always in my bag.

I putt with the JK Aviar X Proto, I've only seen them available through DiscGolfValues.com, but they are the sweetest putter I have ever used. Firm on the outer edge, and soft and gummy on the underside and middle, seems to just stick to the chains and drop. Unbelievable grip, in any conditions. Mark at DGV had to talk me into getting some, but once I did, I don't think I'll ever change.

The supersoft wizard has a firmer rim, which I feel in the heat will lead to a more consistent release.



Thats why I fell in love with Soft Wizards...they have a soft touch on the flight plate, but the rim is firm enough to not feel stupid...they are MONEY!

couple problems.
I just practiced the technique described here http://www.dolf.com/stuff/putting.htm
The problem is when I am supposed to "Move the disc back and forth in a straight line to the basket" but without any wrist [*****] I dont get any spin on the thing. I am moving my disc from a 90 degree bent elbow position straight out to the hole without angling my wrist at all. When I let go the disc doesnt have enough spin or power to go more than 30'. Still is ALOT better than what I had before.


Also, out of curiosity. What grips do u guys use for midrange? I use a 3 finger fork grip for my drives. Should that carry over to midrange? :confused:

Thanks so much for all your help. Dunno wut Id do without u. :D

I Didn't go to the site you went to, but some putting techniques don't use spin(excessive spin at least).
A loft/push putt like barry schultz, Ken Climo, Steve Brinster, ETC don't require much spin at all. THey rely on using your fingers to spring the disc up in the air.. There is just enough spin to keep it in the air, but you aren't trying to put spin on the disc.

Putting styles like Russell,Schweberger, Steve Rico, and most players(especially non pros) are all spin for the most part.. THey are basically spin putts.

I prefer PUsh putts.. I don't like trying to generate any type of spin on a putt. I just like to spring with my fingers to get it in the air and my wrist breaking from moving forward will create enough spin to keep the disc in the air.

Hope that helped a bit

-Scott Lewis

If you haven't already, check out Blake T.s articles on putting:

Twelve Characteristics of Good Putting (http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/articles/twelveputtingtips.shtml)

Here is his Beginner's Tips article:

Beginner Tips (http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/tips.shtml)

And finally, here's an index of his instructional articles:

Disc Golf Instructional Articles (by: Blake Takkunen) (http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/articles.shtml)

I nailed the '03 Am Worlds Putting Championship with a proto Aviar-X. That is one sweet disc. Figures that I switched putters after that and haven't putted the same since. I'm a knucklehead.