I have been disc golfing for about 4 yrs. Until recently I believed that you should have a different type of disc for different situations, but just recently I cut my bag down to four different types of discs, Valk's, Roc's, Aviars, and one firebird. I have about 11 different valks different by Wieght, plastic ect..... Three rocs, one new one slightly beat up and one FUBAR. Three aviars one champ, one pro, one dx, and a firebird for overhand shots, and sidearm shots. Since I have done this I have shaved 3 to 5 strokes off my score. Has anyone else tried this?

Yeah i noticed when i dropped a bunch of discs out of my bag i was getting better scores.. I basically throw a few molds...
I actually threw one of my best rounds at my local course playing 1 disc.. just a beat up Aviar PUtt and Approach, but i guess when you are in the zone and throwing an Aviar over 300' that gets easy... TOo bad i can't do that consistently.

My bag:
Aviars:
1x DX Aviar
1x Classic Aviar
1x Omega AP(another aviar.. beat up)
1x Crystal Challenger(OVerstable Aviar)
Rocs:
2x Z-buzzz First Run (One Straight and one Turnover)
1x Ce ROC (overstable i guess)
Teebirds:
2x Teebird (1 CETL and one 11x.. used to have another Champion but lost it)
Other:
1x DX gazelle and 1x Champion Leapord(lost some teebirds.. these flip so i'm throwing them.. need a roller and a turnover driver)
1x Monster

I mostly just throw my buzzz and DX Aviar, but i use the classic for putting and occasionally i find a use for drivers.

-Scott Lewis

I've got it to a very few discs:

1 Spirit, 1 Illusion, 2 Sabres, 2 Elements, 2 Wizards

I play with:

Champion TeeBird
Champion Firebird
Champion Monster
Champion Orc
D XL
X Buzzz
Z Challenger
D Challenger

Less in the bag...Less on the card /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Same here 2 Flashes, 1 Blaze, 3 TL's, 4 Rocs, and 3 Wizards

You guys never mention if you are just staying on your home course or not. I typically carry 20+ molds. However I am starting to dwindle them down, it is a slow process and I doubt I will ever go below 15. BUT, on my home course when I am just practicing, all I need is an aviar, 3 rocs, a TL, and an Orc. I just use my bag with many molds for tournaments. My scores do not vary with either bag. The only difference is when I am playing a tournament or money round I concentrate on scoring instead of technique and new shots which I work on in practice.

I need to take some out of my bag...here's my current setup
1 rhyno
1 Rubber Putter(I play water courses and can't afford to replace discs)
2 dx rocs (1 for straight one for anhyzer)
1 Z Wasp
1 Demon
1 Beat Elite-X XS (turnover/roller)
1 DX Beast
1 DX Viking
1 Elite-Z XS
1 Elite-Z Predator
1 #2 Driver
1 Eagle

That's even the order they're in right now :) Problem is I'm going to play 8 Courses on Saturday and need to lighten the load a bit

Am I reading correctly? Vandal, you have lightened up your bag to only have 18 discs? How many were you carrying before? I guess I would think that 8 discs, like Shanest and Dirty Vincent carry, would be the true meaning of not carrying many discs.

Following this logic further, I've discovered just carrying virtual discs around in my head, I shoot my best rounds and just mark what I 'know' I can shoot on the scorecard. Saves wear and tear on the shoulders and wallet. :D

The best low disc carrier ever may have been Crazy John Brooks. He would easily have been rated over 1000 in his prime before we had ratings. I don't think I ever saw him carry more than 3 discs and a towel in his hand (no bag), plus a mini in his pocket during competition. Best example of "know your plastic" we may ever see.

What about Zypher Man in Memphis TN?

This guy only plays with an Orange Zypher and a pint of whiskey. Of course he does not play PDGA, or would he be rated anywhere above 800. But he can chuck that thing 200ft dead straight. It is funny to play with this guy.

I second Chuck's opinion on Crazy John. He won the Wide Open with 3 discs, a towel, a 2 quart water jug that doubled as a seat and a pack of Marlboros.

He made one of the greatest shots I've ever seen in the final 9. He was up against the east side of chain link fence of a tennis court at Rosedale. The basket was probably 50' off and half way down the south side of the same fence. An unbelievable spike shot stuck for a 2. The crowd went wild!

yup, same here... I carry 10-12, and it has helped me greatly.

I try to lighten my bag before every tournament, I usually carry 12-15 discs. I usually only throw about 6 of them though, the rest are there just in case I lose one or I find one of those unique lies that I need to throw that odd dsc that usually never comes out of the bag.

We must have seen that same shot of Crazy's. Perhaps one of the most memorable I've seen in big competitions.

a 2 quart water jug that doubled as a seat and a pack of Marlboros.



How do you use a 2 quart water jug as a pack of Marlboros? :D

I 'lightened' my bag by 3 in the middle of a round at Kenny's home course in Clearwater (lots of water holes) during the '96 Triple Crown. Had to sprint over to the sales tent and hurriedly buy 2 discs so I had drivers to make it thru the rest of the round.

i did the same thing last fall. 3 straight into the drink for a triple circle 11. which is why i carry a couple extra drivers...

we play one disc rounds occasionally for the fun of it. one disc, any disc for all 18 holes. most people choose rocs. i shot a 50 (two off my personal best) at my home course with a viking.

at pro worlds in houston, when I finished my last round, I had my putter and qms. that was bad! The last hole was the dragon hole as well. back to ams I went

I have lightened my driver load while increasing my midrange load.

I carry one main driver, the Orc and I find that in most conditions It solves my problem. I have one firebird for high wind drives and forehand rollers. On rare occasions I will pull out a Valk for 280 foot holes into the wind where I need a turnover shot (I just can't hit this with a midrange... yet).

However, for midrange play I use a breeze, an mrv, cobras and a G5i. The Cobra is my primary driver for 230 to 280 foot drives. Occasionally on windy days I will pull out the MRV and if it is howling the G5i. The Breeze is my turnover disc for shots that most people use an Aviar. I just can't get my Aviar out there at 200 feet.

I have been disc golfing for about 4 yrs. Until recently I believed that you should have a different type of disc for different situations, but just recently I cut my bag down to four different types of discs, Valk's, Roc's, Aviars, and one firebird. I have about 11 different valks different by Wieght, plastic ect..... Three rocs, one new one slightly beat up and one FUBAR. Three aviars one champ, one pro, one dx, and a firebird for overhand shots, and sidearm shots. Since I have done this I have shaved 3 to 5 strokes off my score. Has anyone else tried this?




I've done the same thing for the past year or so. TeeBirds, Leopards, Spiders and Aviars. I definitely think it helps with consistency and knowing your plastic. I have recently added an Omega (which is an Aviar so that doesn't really count ;)) and brought the QJLS off the shelf. Finally a Pro Rhyno for sissying up on approaches and short drives. I just like the soft plastic, and it works better for me than a KC Aviar.

yeah, my roc broke at pecan park open, and that is the only mid range in the bag at the time, thought I would lighten things up before the round. That was a mistake. Now I have 4 rocsm 2 illusions, 1 Spirit, and firebird x out, and two omega putters, oh and one t-bird for when nothing is working

I always play one disc with a putter no matter the course...
I find putters to be the best disc in the game..
Midranges are great too, but i have so much more control with a putter and i don't lose too much distance...

I"ve all but given up on drivers....

-Scott Lewis

When i first started i think i- had like 15 different molds in my bag. Now i have gotten it down to 5 MAIN molds and a couple utility discs.

I carry
3 Tsunamis 1 Z 1 New Fusion 1 Beat Fusion
2 Crushes 1 Brand New Pro D 1 Flippy Z
2 Wildcats 1 Stable Z and 1 Flippy Z
5 Wasps/BUZZZs ( I consider them the same mold ) 1 Z Wasp 2 Z BUZZZs 1 X BUZZZ 1 Beat D BUZZZ
3 Challengers~~ 1 2nd Run Cam Todd for Putting 1 Beat First Run Cam Todd for drives and upshots 1 Cryztal Z for drives and upshots

Then i have the utility disc
1 Z Flick for forehands, skip shots and wicked hyzers

It has helped my confidence and consistency to be throwing the same molds ALL the time instead of changing a mold everytime the shot is slightly different.

No drone Millz? I figured that would find a spot in yur bag quicker than the tsunami did. No need for a z wasp in my bag any more, the drone is all i need, got an ace with it this weekend!

I only throw the Drone in when there is WICKED wind out. It just too overstable to throw when there is no WIND. Maybe if I got a BEAT one i might throw it but as of right now i see now need unless its super windy. I threw one in Bowling Green at Keriakis when we were playing in the 25+ Miles an hour winds with gusts up to 40 and it would just HOLD THE LINE like there was no wind at all.

Im LOWING the new PRO D CRUSHES THOUGH. They BOMB :D

I throw the drone when there is absolutely no wind, this thing is soooooo predictable. It is great for long approaches that hit and sit. D crushes are nice too, can't wait for some Venoms, they have found a spot in my bag and I have only thrown one 4 or 5 times.

Is the Venom going to replace your Tsumanis??? because they are about the same stablity wise and the Venom is alot faster and longer. I think im going to stick with what i have for right now. I need to practice some more though. Ive been in this funk ever since i got in that car wreck :mad:

come to think of it, i only throw a couple types of discs, but still carry 10-15 in my bag.
2 banshees
3 orcs
2 valks
2 rocs
2 aviars
and a beat up leopard for those home run rollers/annies

I carry 2 or 3 of EVERYTHING just in case i lose one. I only really throw half of the discs that i carry :D

I carry 2 or 3 of EVERYTHING just in case i lose one. I only really throw half of the discs that i carry





Then i have the utility disc
1 Z Flick for forehands, skip shots and wicked hyzers





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These posts were within an hour or so of each other.

Definately carry a couple of everything in case I lose one as well.

I have:

1-2 firebirds
2-3 orcs/beasts
2-3 SE leopards
2-3 Rocs

2- Classic Aviars for putting and short upshots
1- 10x KC aviar for short drives and upshots
specialty discs:
1-2 sidewinders (rollers, long shots that have to end right)
sometimes I will have a gator in the bag depending on the wind

One of my friends thinks I have too much plastic but really to me I dont have much, and I practice with it enough that I know what everything in my bag can do. I will only use about 8 discs from my bag in a round and it all depends on the types of shots I have and the weather.

The "utility disc" category can really make it seem like you carry more molds than you do. Also, here in MI you have to set your bag based on the weather conditions when you get on the course. Try bringing only the eight discs you always use to a tournament and have 25 mph swirling winds come up out of nowhere. I carry 12-15 discs in my bag, but on a normal day I will shoot 90% of my shots with 4 discs (Wizard, Ch. Shark, Ch. Teebird, Ch. Orc). On a windy day on my favorite course (which is pretty wide open and long for 11-12 holes) I will choose different discs on almost all my shots (Ch. Gator for Wizard & Shark, Tsunami for Orc & Teebird, and a Ch. Firebird for everything else). The "wind" discs in my bag barely get thrown on a nice day, but I feel much better always having them in there. The important thing here is still to get as comfortable as you can with as few discs as possible. Eight discs might not be practical for everyone, but the reduction theory is sound.

I have always been a proponent of using fewer molds, but carrying several variants of those discs based on wear and stability. Currently I carry four Aviars, four Rocs, four Eagles, one Teebird, one Sidewinder (both very similar to the Eagle) and one Aero (this one has been in my bag for decades and is used for shots that I hope to make but are just out of putting range). We play glow golf all winter where the rules permit a putter and a midrange. Roc and Aviar rounds don�t differ much from full bag rounds most of the time.
I saw Crazy show up for the final round of the Huntsville Worlds without his discs. He borrowed an Aviar, a Roc and a Viper (I think), from some people in the gallery and proceeded to shoot lights out golf.

i also dropped my bag to only a few molds. teebirds, firebird, rocs. rhyno, BB, i just feel better with this setup, and i don't have to think about my throw i just throw the shot now

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These posts were within an hour or so of each other.



Your right. I dont use the Z Flick that often and its not an eccential part of my bag so im not worried about having a back up for it.

The "utility disc" category can really make it seem like you carry more molds than you do. Also, here in MI you have to set your bag based on the weather conditions when you get on the course. Try bringing only the eight discs you always use to a tournament and have 25 mph swirling winds come up out of nowhere. I carry 12-15 discs in my bag, but on a normal day I will shoot 90% of my shots with 4 discs (Wizard, Ch. Shark, Ch. Teebird, Ch. Orc). On a windy day on my favorite course (which is pretty wide open and long for 11-12 holes) I will choose different discs on almost all my shots (Ch. Gator for Wizard & Shark, Tsunami for Orc & Teebird, and a Ch. Firebird for everything else). The "wind" discs in my bag barely get thrown on a nice day, but I feel much better always having them in there. The important thing here is still to get as comfortable as you can with as few discs as possible. Eight discs might not be practical for everyone, but the reduction theory is sound.





Im from MI and i know what your talking about but........

I use the same bag setup for windy or not windy. The only difference is when there is some wind ( by some i mean over 20 miles an hour ) i throw in my Drone and MAYBE a Z Pred for OVERSTABLE wind beating discs but other then that I just adjust my aim and release angle to beat the wind with the discs i carry all the time. :D

Without a doubt, carrying less discs will make you better and lower your score (if you are an average player and need consistency more than being able to make a disc do a double or triple helix like all the pros in the PDGA can do (wink)).

You need to be able to make the disc do what you want it to do (within the limitation of the mold), rather than relying on a disc to fly the way you want it to. I dropped from 14 discs to 2 last year, and have recently gone up to my new max of 4. My scores and consistency have increased tremendously, I'm talking 6-8 strokes per round. By playing last year with a Beast and a Blowfly, my game has turned around copmpletely. I never shank a disc into the woods, I never let go too low or too high, I throw very consistently now, and even perfected my sidearm throw.

Now I play with a Flash, Crush, Breeze, and Blowfly. I don't always have my bag with me, but I have a Blowfly and Beast in every vehicle own, just in case I want to play. I can put the Beast anywhere I want - to the right if I sidearm, to the left if I just flick it out, and straight if I put speed on it. I can also throw my Blowfly dead on straight up to 250ft.

You MUST learn to throw and make the disc go where you want it, through your throwing style, then step up to variations of different discs.

For beginners, don't get caught up in all the molds and fancy flight characteristics. Get a wide rimmed driver (Beast/Orc or Flash/Crush), and a blunt rimmed mid range for straight shots(Roc or Breeze), don't even worry as much about your putter, throw whatever disc feels the most comfortable in your hand.

I never shank a disc into the woods, I never let go too low or too high, I throw very consistently now, and even perfected my sidearm throw.


I can put the Beast anywhere I want - to the right if I sidearm, to the left if I just flick it out, and straight if I put speed on it. I can also throw my Blowfly dead on straight up to 250ft.



If you can do all this why is your rating below 900??? :eek:

I never played in competition or had more than 2 discs until a year ago. I'm just starting to see the upside to having a few of the same mold. I used to carry a Z cyclone (slight left finish), a T-bird, and a beat up eagle (right finish). Now I carry 3 T-birds instead and feel more comfortable and am really starting to like the beast/orc combo for long D. Just added a Speed demon for trick/wind/forehand shots. I usually buy used lots on e-bay to save money and try new discs, but I lose a lot. So here's my bag:

H Speed Demon
Pro Orc
DX Beast
3 T-birds (1 Champ, 1 glo, 1 beat DX)
x-Wasp
z-Buzz
beat DX Hawk
2 aviars.

I have a Roc but haven't really worked it in to the rotation yet, but I can see myself having 3 rocs in the bag by next year. There's something about Innova that is starting to pull me in.

So why don't the pros carry only 3 or four molds? Or do they? Or when do you get to the point that you know "This driver/mid is the one for me"? Have you tried all of the similar discs at this point?

Orc and Aviar, only 2 discs you need to play any course :)

Krusen,

It is really about what works for you. There are a few (vast minority) of players who do just fine throwing many different molds. And there are a good number of others that only have a few molds. I know a guy that only has teebirds, rocs and aviars, but carries 11 discs. I have started to dwindle my molds down. I am working more successfully at this within the midrange category, I can do just about anything with Buzzz's and Wasp's. Drivers I am working on, and finding out what I prefer. I recently got rid of my monster/flick for extreme hyzers because I can do everything like that with a firebird. Eventually I will get rid of more and more discs, but I doubt I will ever only throw 4-5 discs, I prefer the variety of glide characteristics, because after all with different degrees of wear most discs can be made to a certain level of stability.

Throw what you know, don't let anyone tell you that you are throwing too many or too few discs. To each his/her own.

i've been playing about 2 years. started out carrying 20+ discs of all diferent molds, now i usually carry 15-17 of 4 or 5 molds or so. i'm definitely more consistent now...

this is my current bag contents...changes occasionally...

3 wizards
4 buzzzes
4 teebirds
4 orcs
1 monster
1 sidewinder

Orc and Aviar, only 2 discs you need to play any course :)



sure. if you dont get all wrapped up in numbers. :D

about my rating.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. I played with 14 discs in the 2003 tournaments. In 2004 I did not play in tournaments (all the nit-picking rules, insanely long player meetings, and events that never ran on time and were poorly run in general really turned me off). I keep a spreadsheet of every round of disc golf I play (yeah, it's anal, but I have an ongoing bet with a few friends) and in 2003 I averaged +6.25 per 18 holes [all 3's]. In 2004 I was at +2.18. So far in 2005 I am +0.86.

Since I haven't played in organized events I can't say exactly how my rating has gone up. But I can tell you that I compete against area players rated 900-950 and am always neck and neck and beat them just as often as they beat me.

I'm just saying that throwing one disc makes you work on your technique, rather than relying on the disc - we all need work on our technique, the disc manfacturers have things pretty well figured out.

Would his name be Justin Jernigan because at worlds last year all he had was 3 11X Teebirds 8 Rocs and 3 Aviars and im pretty sure he SMOKED the field by 19 STROKES :eek:!!!!!

Apologies if I'm repeating something already said ( maybe by the Pimp, he's on ignore, I'd hate to agree with him! ;) ), but I carry a whole load of different molds, plus spares. The reason is that I want to use almost exactly the same throwing action for every throw. That is, I draw the disc across my chest about nipple height, on a slight hyzer. Depending on the shot I need to throw, all I then need to do is pick the disc and the line, and I'm away. That's where my consistancy comes from. I guess I'm really talking drives and long approaches here, rather than close range.

... but other then that I just adjust my aim and release angle to beat the wind with the discs i carry all the time...




WORD

-Scott Lewis

I tried to lighten my bag by replacing beer with whiskey but it isn't so refreshing on hot days. So I threw out all my discs except 2 and kept the beer

Okay I did the geek work and reviewed the bags of all the Innova sponsored players. They all tend to carry on average just one mid-range and one putter, so the number of molds really tends to occur in the drivers. The overall average was 3.5 driver molds per player. The King of Drivers was Heeren who listed eight molds in his bag.

Well I just looked at Climo and schultz's bag according to the innova site, and both players have about 3-4 aviars and 3-5 rocs in their bags...

It all has to do with confidence level you have with your discs and the number of different types of shots you do in various situations. Hysers, flicks, tomahawks, pancakes, rollers(forehand and backhand)! If less discs equal a better score then why don't professional golfers only carry a driver, 7 iron, and a putter?

something that hasn't really been mentioned yet and its reflection on score vs. skill...

the learning curve of disc golf (for many players) seems to follow a fairly regular progression. however, the development of disc skills is not always a reflection on scores, and similarly improving scores are not always a reflection on disc skills (unless you consider consistency a skill, whereas i view it as an attribute, namely, repetition of skills).

phase 1: building core technique
early on in development (think the first month(s) after developing the x-step), most players are developing the core of their technique and generally focus on avoiding newbish mistakes/problems such as getting the nose up, turning over putters, etc.. the general player here often will attempt to develop a consistent delivery by attempting to throw most shot flat. as they get more consistent with this, they will find a need to add a range of stabilities to their bag. as they find discs to perform shots they couldn't before (and come to know those discs) they will generally improve their scores.

here's where the fork in the road appears.

phase 2a: Throwing most shots in the same manner, using different discs for different shot types. this choice will generally lead to better short-term scores than 2b.

phase 2b: Throwing fewer discs many different ways.
during this choice, many players go through a period of paring down their disc selection and learning to throw a multitude of shot types with a couple of discs. consistency generally dwindles but disc skills increase, e.g. learning 7 different ways to make a disc curve to the right is going to develop more skills but will generally be less consitent (as people are still developing these shots) than throwing 1 understable disc the same way to make it curve.

for players who chose 2b, later they will reach another fork:

phase 3a: Getting as good and consistent as possible with a limited mold count.

phase 3b: Deciding that with the addition of a mold or two they can perform certain shots better than they could with a limited number of discs.
with this choice, a player generally has the disc knowledge and ability to throw most shots they will ever need. they will choose to add specific discs that increase the execution rate of their shot selection. e.g. rather than force a stable driver to try and fly more overstable than it is really suited for, they reach for a more overstable driver that is well suited for the desired flight path. this will often lead to better short-term scores than 3a, and better long-term scores than 2a.

mold count is a topic i get asked a lot about. the most common question is something along the lines of: is it bad to carry 11 different driver molds?
i usually answer with a set of follow-up questions: can you make your most understable disc curve sharp left? can you make your most overstable disc hold a turn to the right? can you make all of your discs fly straight(ish)?

if they answer "no" to any of those questions i generally recommend temporarily paring down their disc selection to 3 or less drivers and playing and practicing until the answer is "yes." if they answer "yes," then i have no issue with that many discs as they generally are looking for subtle differences that make 1 disc a superior choice to the other for a given shot (unless they have very poor disc selection that is :) )

my 75 cents on the subject :P

If less discs equal a better score then why don't professional golfers only carry a driver, 7 iron, and a putter?



I dont know if its true for a lot but some professional golfers do not carry a full line of irons, they have a lot of the same irons but with different lofts almost along the same line as this discussion

I was talking about the fewer different molds that you have in your bag the better you score gets, before I had probably the same number of disc but every one of the was a different mold now I have just four different molds I may have 18 discs but the large number of valkyries each are different weight, stage of being broken in and a few of them are for those shots where I just might lose a disc kind of dispossable back up discs.

Yea Right, and how many of them carry 3 clubs. Remember in golf you can only have one putter, one 7 iron. If you find a defect you can replace it with a new one. How many tournament champions have 3 or 4 clubs in their bag? The answer is zero! Every now and then a pro golfer will omit one club from his bag because he is not very proficient with it. That is the key...being proficient with it. I admit that a person who cannot throw a thummer because of his shoulder problems will not carry that disc. But for others who are proficient with that shot, it is a necessity and an obvious enhancement to his game not a deterrent to his score!

I'm just lazy and hate to repack my bag. I carry 9-10 molds, but generally only throw about 3 in any given round. Depends on the conditions, and which mold is right for the conditions that day.

Yea Right, and how many of them carry 3 clubs. Remember in golf you can only have one putter, one 7 iron. If you find a defect you can replace it with a new one. How many tournament champions have 3 or 4 clubs in their bag? The answer is zero!



This is not true, a golfer could carry a bunch of putters in his or her bag but they are limited to 14 clubs in a bag. There is no limit as to what clubs the person is allowed to have as long as there are no more than 14 clubs in the bag. If they have less than 14 they are allowed to add more during around as long as it doesnt interfer with rules regarding delay of play.

Although they may not have 3 to 4 clubs in their bag I could see them having the limit of 14 but having only a couple irons but a variety of the same iron with different lofts if you follow me there. So in that way it relates to our discussion about discs, we may carry over 10 discs but its only a few molds we use for a different shot.

If less discs equal a better score then why don't professional golfers only carry a driver, 7 iron, and a putter?


ive got a better question:
if i throw my 7 iron lefty backhand, is it gonna hyzer out?

naw man. that sh!ts too flippy.

The gist of Blakes responce which I totally agree with.....

You can do well with many molds. However you will be handicapped by the lack of practice of throwing different shots by depending on the disc to do the work. Limited molds forces you to try many different things.

Now if you NEVER get into trouble, behind a tree, around a rock, between a hard place, then only have 1 shot with your many molds is a benefit, but who does that happen to? That being said just because you are not perfect at many different styles of throwing does not mean you will not be good. Look at Barry S. he admits that his sidearm is not very good (read the 2004 Worlds Interview in DG World News), and he is still a terrific golfer.

While I carry many many molds to compete, I only carry three drivers 1 midrange (3 different rocs) and a putter when I am practicing. Most those drivers are understable XL, TL, and an Orc, so that forces me to throw the TL on a uphill left hook shot where I normally throw a Predator. Using this style of practice technique has greatly improved my efffectiveness with my other discs.

But also has the original poster pointed out, that his scores have dropped on average 2-3 strokes a year. I would argue that is just from consistent playing. In the past year I have been playing. My tournament scores have dropped from +4 to 5 a round to -1 to -2 per round. And my practice scores have went down from +2 to 3 per round to -4 to -8 per round.

Morale of the story....PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. Know your plastic and have an arsenal of different styles of throws in your bag. I have a great backhand, a whimpy side arm, and a terrible overhand, but I am working on that.

Blake,
when you say a player should be able to keep his/her most stable disc on a right turning line (RHBH), would that be with an anhyzer release? Cause I don't think I can power over the Speed Demon you just sold me. Maybe I should get a refund :p

Another question/observation: I have about equal distance forehand and backhand. On a dogleg right, I find myself using a stable disc FH more than an understable one BH. I have less control over an annie shot. Is this typical and/or a good shot selection? Assume the hole doesn't staighten out after the dogleg. {Note: during practice rounds I often try one of each.}

Great thread everyone BTW.

I have been out of town for the last 10 days and I had to bring my small bag. It only holds 12 discs and that is pretty tight. I have played 5 rounds of golf and I have been playing really well. I brought 2 putter, 2 Rocs, a Sidewinder, TL, Orc and 2 Z-Flicks. After playing in Mobile, AL I figured out that I don't even need that many drivers. Their courses are a lot shorter than in Texas and I threw either a Roc or putter on almost every hole.

When I get home, I am definetly gonna try to keep the bag down to 4 driver molds or less.

Another important key to lowering your score is to learn every shot with every disc, if you can't throw a hyzer with your roller disc you should learn it.

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Blake,
when you say a player should be able to keep his/her most stable disc on a right turning line (RHBH), would that be with an anhyzer release? Cause I don't think I can power over the Speed Demon you just sold me. Maybe I should get a refund :p

<font color="blue"> the verbage he is using does not refer to a speed demon type of disc, as speed demons are OVER stable not stable. ie one flies straight, and one turns </font>

Okay I did the geek work and reviewed the bags of all the Innova sponsored players. They all tend to carry on average just one mid-range and one putter, so the number of molds really tends to occur in the drivers. The overall average was 3.5 driver molds per player. The King of Drivers was Heeren who listed eight molds in his bag.



Ok, so I am one of the worst midrange throwers out there . . . I currently have 2 rocs in my bag, of which neither I use during a tournament round and 13 drivers. I'll use a driver on almost any hole down to 180' which then I will probably throw my putter. I don't think my bag is one to base anything off of. I still have a lot of work to do on my game :p

I think Blake meant that one should be able to throw ones most overstable disc, such as a speed demon, with anhyzer on it and be able to keep the disc from fading out of a right turn. Of course a disc such as a brand new speed demon is almost as overstable as they come, right?, so its not like you are a complete failure if you can't get it to hold that right turn right away. He's just saying that you're going to increase your control of all discs the more you understand what it takes to make discs do certain things.

I think Blake meant that one should be able to throw ones most overstable disc, such as a speed demon, with anhyzer on it and be able to keep the disc from fading out of a right turn. Of course a disc such as a brand new speed demon is almost as overstable as they come, right?, so its not like you are a complete failure if you can't get it to hold that right turn right away. He's just saying that you're going to increase your control of all discs the more you understand what it takes to make discs do certain things.



Yeah, I was just having fun. But seriously, I don't think I could keep the demon on an anny line for too far...maybe 150'. I'm going to give it a shot tonight.

Blake,
when you say a player should be able to keep his/her most stable disc on a right turning line (RHBH), would that be with an anhyzer release?



correct. basically, when i say being able to make your most understable disc curving left and your most overstable disc curving right, this generally displays that a person can throw with any angle and in the case of the left curve, without torque. i'm a big supporter of developing a solid core of disc skills, regardless of short-term scores.


Another question/observation: I have about equal distance forehand and backhand. On a dogleg right, I find myself using a stable disc FH more than an understable one BH. I have less control over an annie shot. Is this typical and/or a good shot selection? Assume the hole doesn't staighten out after the dogleg. {Note: during practice rounds I often try one of each.}



a hyzer is always more predictable than an anhyzer/turnover, so if you can execute the sidearm hyzer with greater consistency than a backhand anhyzer, then if you are playing for course management/score, you are probably best off throwing the sidearm hyzer. however, having a good anhyzer is equally important as there are many shots where this is a more applicable throw, and also necessary in developing a good roller, etc.

learning how to manipulate flight behaviors with use of angles, height, nose angles, torque, etc. are all part of developing a solid all around arsenal of shots.

as for the speed demon curving to the right, this isn't really an applicable shot in 99.9% of situations and so distance really isn't a cocnern, but being able to execute it does display a proficiency with anhyzer angles.

for people who are curious about any of this, i find that a lot of the people that compete in distance contests often have some of the best mastery of utilizing angles to their advantage. i've had the pleasure of watching our local distance guru use his D technique with both elite pro XL's (released at about 80 degrees of hyzer) and elite z predators (released at about 70 degrees of anhyzer) and the contrast is quite a sight but equally impressive imo.

I often run and play with two discs, especially at Round Rock, which is a very long and open course. My two best rounds have been me using a CE Valk and a JK Aviar Putter (a pair of 50s). Two discs will work unless it's windy. #1 rule - know your disc.

I often run and play with two discs, especially at Round Rock, which is a very long and open course. My two best rounds have been me using a CE Valk and a JK Aviar Putter (a pair of 50s). Two discs will work unless it's windy. #1 rule - know your disc.



The Hitman, ladies and gentlemen! :D

I totally agree. Having grow up playing disc golf with ultimate discs....having so many discs has always been weird for me.

I first started with a putter and mid. This was fine for small courses. As I played large courses, I added a distance driver.

As I played more....I added more drivers and mids. Too many molds caused my game to suffer. So, back to basics....

I carry:

1 putter magnet
1 mid X-wasp
2 drivers champ orc and Z express

So...I most throw sidearm. I throw mostly orcs for drives. Use the express for turnovers...so no backhand needed much. The X-waps is easy to turnover too, just flexs back...

In the end...I think it helps you to learn your molds.

have fun....

I tend to agree that less dics equals a better score. I own dozens of discs, but I play my best golf when I use only a few that I am extremely comfotable with. Not long ago, I bought a large bag and started carrying 20 discs thinking it would help my game. At first I liked being able to choose whatever I wanted out of the bag. After a while I noticed that I was really only throwing 3 or 4 different drivers, 2 midranges and 1 putter. Since then I have started carrying a small bag again. 8 discs seems much more managable than 20.

On my home course - Keriakes, I only need an orc and a challenger. But then again, if I was playing Idlewild I would want more molds than just the orc.

In case anyone cares, Here is what I carry in my bag:

2 SE rhynos
1 champion spider
2 champion firebirds
2 pro firebirds
2 ce firebirds
2 pro orcs
2 champion orcs
2 pro starfires
1 champion teebird

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any ways I can improve my bag?

Carry on of each mold? :)

In case anyone cares, Here is what I carry in my bag:

2 SE rhynos
1 champion spider
2 champion firebirds
2 pro firebirds
2 ce firebirds
2 pro orcs
2 champion orcs
2 pro starfires
1 champion teebird

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any ways I can improve my bag?



1 SE rhyno
1 champion spider
1 champion firebird
1 champion orc
1 pro starfire
1 champion teebird

That's how.

my champion firebirds are way more overstable than my ce firebirds, my ce firebirds are more overstable than my pro firebirds. My pro stuff flys farthest but is less durable so I need more of it.

my champion firebirds are way more overstable than my ce firebirds, my ce firebirds are more overstable than my pro firebirds. My pro stuff flys farthest but is less durable so I need more of it.



Those are nice descriptions, but you still only need 4-5 drivers total.

my champion firebirds are way more overstable than my ce firebirds, my ce firebirds are more overstable than my pro firebirds. My pro stuff flys farthest but is less durable so I need more of it.



Wow............sounds like you need a bag that carries 40 +

:eek: Thin the Bag dude. 3-5 drivers is way more than enough.
Also will cut down on confusion of what to throw , when.

I carry 12-14 discs , total. That , somedays is way to many. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

my champion firebirds are way more overstable than my ce firebirds, my ce firebirds are more overstable than my pro firebirds. My pro stuff flys farthest but is less durable so I need more of it.



Wow............sounds like you need a bag that carries 40 +

:eek: Thin the Bag dude. 3-5 drivers is way more than enough.
Also will cut down on confusion of what to throw , when.

I carry 12-14 discs , total. That , somedays is way to many. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif




Thats only 16 with two putters included. My bag would have discs flopping around all in it.

I have a revolution bag and I took a ton of discs out of my bag. I currently Carry this many discs for tourney rounds:

2x classic aviar
1x JK Aviar-x 4time
1x Champ Stingray
2x Z-buzzz
2x 11x Teebird
1x Proline Monster

My casual bag is:
classic
JK
Buzz
Teebird

I carry 2 towels in my bag so that keeps the discs from "flopping" around and allows room for other things if necesarry..
just curious, but do you really notice a difference between the firebirds you had? DOes it make that much of a diffference on your round?

-Scott Lewis

In case anyone cares, Here is what I carry in my bag:

2 SE rhynos
1 champion spider
2 champion firebirds
2 pro firebirds
2 ce firebirds
2 pro orcs
2 champion orcs
2 pro starfires
1 champion teebird

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any ways I can improve my bag?



Take out at least 4 of those Firebirds at least the 2 pro ones! (6 Firebirds, you must have a right handed course)

Pro Starfire = Champion Orc

Dump the Pro Orc.

Get a Leopard

I think in order for you to understand why I have so many firebirds in my bag, you have to know the course that I play regularly. I live in Lubbock and there are a ton of long, open holes and lots of water. I have a pretty good arm and throw lots of these longer, more open, holes with firebirds because of the wind in Lubbock. We constanly have winds ranging from 15-40 and we seldomly have a day with little to no wind. The firebirds, no matter the kind of plastic, are the most reliable disc for these conditions.

The pro Firebird just so happens to be my main driver (on our course at least) because it flys straight forever holding a hyzer the entire flight to ensure that it does not flip on me. I think that I could probably drop out the 2 Champion firebirds, but then again I throw those near water so I dont have to chance losing a CE.

I do like the extra towels in the disc compartment to keep discs from flopping around ( I have a revolution aswell) and I could throw in an extra bottle of water also. Now if I could only decide which discs to remove! :D

Wow, I kind of went off a little there but I am not erasing because it took forever. :p :D

i do understand why you carry firebirds now, but you did ask to help minimize the discs and that is the first place most people are going to look to eliminate...

ON a casual round i wouldn't even consider carrying duplicates and in a tourney round i'd probably only carry 1 duplicate of each important disc(maind driver, main midrange, main putter)...

Didn't mean to say that the firebirds are useless but that's where i'd trim the fat.

-Scott Lewis

I think I carry a lot more discs than I really throw, but I like having a lot on me so that I can just chuck a ton of drives if there aren't many people on the course. I have probably 4 discs that are just utility discs too, for skip shots and thumbers and things like that. Plus, if I lose anything I have something to back it up. If I had to pare down my bag to what I really regularly use, it would be...

Z Flick
CE Firebird FL
Champ Orc
Pro Teebird
Pro Starfire
KC Roc
Hard Wizard
Soft Wizard

and either my CE Eagle or my JK Valk... they pretty much fly exactly the same.

Soft Challenger
Z Storm
Z Wasp
Sidewinder
Avenger
Flick or Pred

Or one disc, Coyote or Buzzz

I recant my prior comment because of a round I had this weekend.

Less discs lower score is complete BS.
It is irrational to think that the number of discs you have makes you that good or bad of a player. You may have more available routes, but still it doesn't hold water. Granted a lot of pros carry few molds but they do have many of those molds.

What directly translates into a lower score is......

LESS THROWS!

This is because, after a round where I shot a +1 and was really really upset because I missed way to many easy putts, my buddy said it was because I carried too many discs. Which I replied. No, it wasn't the discs, it was how many times I had to throw them. :o

Wow. You have 1 bad round and you blame it on how many/few discs you carry

I believe if you get into a habit of carrying fewer discs (5-8), you will know your plastic better and thus your control and consistency should improve over time.
I'm not saying that if you go from 15+ discs to 6 discs you shoot better immediately. However if you are forced to make more shots with the same disc you'll have less overlap and your disc selection becomes much easier and that's one less thing you have to worry about. I challenge anyone who carries more than 15 discs to knock it down to 8 for 10 rounds or so and see if your game doesn't improve. As an added benefit you'll probably be less tired at the end of your round due to the lighter bag.

I carry around 15 discs regularly and have cut it down to 10 or so every once in a while, however I end up saying to myself, "I wish I had this disc right now." I just need all 15.

I carry about 15 discs also and have discovered that I really only need to carry around 12.

6-9 discs, depending on what course I'm playing. For worlds, I'm playing with 6 discs/4 molds.

I think the logic of how many to carry is how well ya know your discs.. I play consistantly with about 5 discs but carry 10.. I have a couple for special shots. I have heard from many to start with a couple and work from there. Once you feel you have the hang of the first couple then add one or 2 until comfortable and so on. I started with with a Teebird and a Roc both DX and played with those for about 2 months playing twice a week. That seemed to work for me. Hope this helps

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Carry your Four best drivers
Two Mid Range
One Medium Long Range
One Putter

8. Any Others will only hold the playing discs in the bag.

Oh , of course a Towel , water bottle and mini marker.

Play well !!!!! :D

I think even having your 4 best drivers is a bit much.. I know that Slower discs are more accurate and therefore Drivers would be less acurate and would require different molds to achieve all shots, but i find that on most courses i play i rarely throw drivers. And when i do need a bomb shot i just throw a teebird.

I usually carry more of the discs i would throw more so i usually carry more putters and mids than i do drivers.

just my 2cents.

-Scott Lewis

I think there's kind of a cycle here. In the beginning of many players' careers, they load up their bags with all the discs they can for all possible situations thinking they need more discs to do it. When they realize they just need to learn their form, they go to the opposite extreme and carry very few discs. This is a great stage as it allows people to truly learn certain molds and also how to change their technique to get desired flight results. However, I also think it is important not to limit yourself too much by how many discs you carry. Once a player goes through this few-disc stage, they will be better able to decide what discs they need to add for what situations and which ones are absolutely necessary. This will lead to a larger bag but not one as large as the earlier stage in their career before they slimmed down.

I have my core discs that I throw all the time, Orc, TeeBird, XL, Wasp, Buzzz. In all reality I can do everything with these discs with different stages of wear.

But I have 4 long drivers for vary wind conditions
One meat hook overstable driver.
4 normal drivers for different wind conditions
1 Turnover driver
1 Roller (same as turnover driver just beat in more)
2 Wasps for varying degrees of fade
3 Buzzz's for varying degrees of fade, but one for turnovers
3 Challengers of different plastic for approach and wind putts.
2 Speciality discs (champ gator, champ whippet) to get out of sever trouble.
I know these discs very well, and can shoot just as good with any one of these discs as I can with all of them.

Speaking from experience, I think it's a very good idea to carry some backups of discs you "need" to use to play a round. If you lose one of your core discs and are forced to try and use something else it will almost definitely have a non negligable negative impact on your score. If you lose a "trick" disc you may lose a stroke or two, but there's also a good chance you won't. Granted, losing a disc in itself will have a non negligable negative impact on your score, but you don't want your round to get any worse.

So if you really only throw 6-8 discs it might be a good idea to still carry 15 so you have a backup of everything. I carry 20 discs and rarely use more than 8 or 10 for a round and 2 or 3 of those I'll only use once or twice.

Ive cut down from around 20 discs to maybe 10-12 and can DEF. tell a difference in my game. NOT having so many discs to choose from makes disc selection much easier and also makes you learn each disc you have in your bag....

Anymore than 9 Discs for me is way to many. I currently cut both the Pro Orc and Champion Orc from my bag, they both do not deliver the consistancy I like. I know have the following in my bag.
2 Used KC Aviars (for Putting and drives under 300)
1 Aviar putt and approach (for approach shots and short holes)
2 KC Pro Rocs (most shots under 400)
1 Champion Teebird (drives over 400)
1 Champion Firebird (sidearm, headwind, spike hyzers)
1 DX Stingray (all my roller needs)

I can do anything I need to do with these discs. On my home courses I really only need 3-4 discs and my towel to shoot well. I fell that limiting yourself to a few different discs is overall much better for your game. Some people however are just as comfortable with many different molds and should stick to what works for them. I also played with and watched Crazy John Brooks in a few tournaments back in the early 90's and he was an amazing player with only 3-4 discs. He told me at the worlds one year that if he cant shoot well with what he has he wont shoot well at all, and that the discs do not determine what you shoot or how well you play, but your mind and body controls that. My two best rounds ever at my home course were both shot only carrying 3 discs. Both rounds were -18 for 19 holes. The first time I shot -18 was with 1 roc and 2 aviars. The second time was 9 months after I broke my thumb and that was with a 150 class aviar, 165 gram whippet, and a 150 class Zypher. That reason for the light plastic was because thats all I had laying around at the time, and I made it work.

...I challenge anyone who carries more than 15 discs to knock it down to 8 for 10 rounds or so and see if your game doesn't improve. As an added benefit you'll probably be less tired at the end of your round due to the lighter bag.



I can play just as well with 1 beat in Z-Buzzz OR KC Roc as I can with all the discs in my bag.

I carry them all for the same reason Brad does. Because sometimes you just need a disc to do one particular thing.

400ft open hole? Sure I can use a Firebird, Starfire, Orc, Beast, Teebird, Talon, or an XL for the birdie. If I just want a long (~40ft) putt for a duece and guarrenteed three, I will pull out a Buzzz, Wasp, or even a Whippet or a Gator.

But I will use the easiest disc to throw on that hole for the weather and elevation conditions. Multiple discs give multiple choices with simple execution every time.

To me, the simple execution is what makes the game easier. Why try to make a Beast do what I want a Firebird to do? I can, but that is working way too hard.

I thought I would bring back this thread to say that paring down my bag has started to make my game much more consistent. I still carry a lot of discs, but my bag has pretty much become split in half between discs I only use for forehand and those that I only throw backhand. Forehand I have a Flick, Firebird FL, and Champ. Whippet. Backhand I am throwing Orcs and Teebirds, but I do carry a starfire which I use very occasionally when I have a lot of room to work with and a strong tailwind. Rocs and Wizards for anything 320' and under that doesnt require a severe right hook. My game has become much more consistent, because I dont feel that there is a lot of overlap, and I know all the discs very well.

I have to agree. I was carrying Orc, Beasts, TeeBirds, Valk, Cheetah Leopards, Rocs and Wizards.

Now I carry TeeBirds, Leopards, Rocs and Wizards. My consistency has dramatically improved and my scores have gone down..A LOT. My hip has gone to hell, but that is another story.

My Wraith , does go farther than my Orc..............Hmmmmmmmmmmm..........competition in my bag again for the alternate driver spot !!!! :D

The Wraith crushes the Orc unfortunatly because I love the Orc. Also I haven't seen anyone talk about throwing a Glide. I just started throwing mine and I am all of the sudden getting it to fly over 400 which I have to really try to get my drivers to go. The Glide is definatly I Mid range driver that people should look into. It is a nice little anyhzer disc that is really consistant.

I didn't expect to go out to my Local Wednesday leage yesterday. I even left my bag at home. I got done with school and made the 30minute drive over to the course with 10minutes to spare.
I grabbed a CFR Glow TB, an E-Element-x, and a Glow aviar and got 3rd place.
THe Teebird was useless because we were playing the shorter layout and the Element-x has way too little glide for me compared to my buzzz, but I knew how to throw each disc and didn't have to worry about which disc to choose for each shot.

My normal bag nowadays is just doubles of a few molds:
2x Classic Aviar
1x Aviar-x
2x Z-buzzz
2x 11xTeebird
1x CE FL

-Scott Lewis

My bag is about 10 years old. I've been out of the game for a long time.

X-Clone
Cyclone 2
Cyclone
Raven - right turns and roller
Panther
Roc
Aviar

So since getting back into it I've purchased lots of new plastic. I've been out throwing Teebirds, Orcs, Quarter K, and I'm waiting on a couple of Wraiths to arrive in the mail.

None of these new discs has proven to out-distance my Clone's yet. I'm looking forward to the Wraith.

When I read disc descriptions I notice that practically every one claims to be the fastest, longest, etc. So hype is hype.

So I believe in going with what works for your game and keeping it simple. But it's still fun to buy new plastic and check it out!

Yes. Buying new plastic &amp; seeing how it does for your game is a definitely fun but I'm to the point now that I'm happy with my disc choices.
I have around 15 discs now (only playing 6 months) but have only been taking 6 discs &amp; a putter. We have no courses with water around here &amp; I'm usually good at finding discs that find the woods/brush.

*all reviews are for a RHBH

168g JLS for drives where wind is not a factor. Super glidy &amp; a straight flyer.

174g Pro Gazelle for drives where wind is a factor. Nice &amp; glidy &amp; a straight flyer. (probably my favorite driver)

158g Sidewinder. With my throw it fades hard left at the end, so I use this for left turning shots (almost threw my first ace with it yesterday....hit the nickle from 230')

173g Innova Moray (discontinued) : What a great disc, will go right, glide &amp; continue right. Love it.

168g DX Cheetah: For overhands &amp; when a "go right, then left" shot is needed.

The last spot is reserved for "whatever I feel like bringing"

And a 171g soft Wizard putter. (I have 5 wizards now for my practice basket at home, all "soft" &amp; between 170-175)

I figure with that bag I have most shots (that I can throw) covered and I know what to expect from the disc on a properly thrown shot.

My newbie bag review.
Thank you, good night. :D

Old Tyme the disc that you are using for shots into the wind were not made for throwing into the wind, after awhile you will start turning those disc over. Use real overstable discs for wind ex. Monster, or Firebird. Keep the QJLS that is a good weight for someone starting out and use it for S-shots,you might as well go ahead and get used to another midrange because your not going to be able to find another Moray. The wizard is a good putter, personally I prefer a ProLine Rhyno - max weight. You should keep the 171g putters for anhyzer shots, youve got to tell me - how did you get that 150g sidewinder to go left throwing RHBH, that disc is very understable and most people that throw them use them for rollers or anhyzer.

Yeah. I don't have much of an arm.
I can get the Gazelle to turnover every now & then, but mostly it goes straight with a predictable fade left at the end.
While I do have a 168g Q-JLS, I've been throwing the regular one, a plain 168g JLS. That's probably my furthest distance disc as it just glides & glides even with the little snap/spin I put on it.
I should learn another right turner, but I never plan on losing this Moray. I've even been keeping an eye out on Ebay for others.
And yes, I do have a old beat in DX Rhyno & really like it, but when taking only one putter I take the Wizard.
And I wish I knew how I make that lightweight Sidewinder go left. I guess that shows how much of a noodle arm I have :D

Right now a monster or firebird might be too beefy for your arm.

just throw what you know works. When you get more power in your throws, you might have to slowly increase the overstability of the discs that you throw into a headwind.

you might want to get a dx stingray and get that beat in/tuned a little just incase you ever lose that moray.

I have been carring 5 discs for the past 2months.

2 Flashes 174+168
1 Roc
1 Aviar
1 X XS

this was mainly for fatigue reasons. Working 3rd shift and then heading straight out to the course in work uniform and steel toe boots, the bag would get heavy real fast with 15 discs of 10 molds. (nothing better than a little dg to unwind)

It turned out to be easy on the arms and legs. and didn't require any hard thinking for disc selection.

A litttle more consistancy for me and little lower score. think i'll keep this set up for a while

Well I am going to be upgrading to my revolution bag which means i can carry more discs.

Right now, I have these discs in my bag:

1-Pre Barry Beast - This thing is butta!
1-150 1st Run Zflick - Distance driver on open holes and use it as a fast overhand disc
1-CE Leopard - straight driver
1-Sidewinder - Huge turnover disc/roller
1-Pro Monster/1 Heavy Z-flick - headwind driver
1 Champ Coyote - midrange turnover control driver
1 Glo Coyote - straight midrange control driver
1 Zwasp - overstable midrange
1 Drone - Really overstable midrange
1 Crystal Challenger - 100 -> 40 ft approaches
2 Soft Challengers - putts

If I add more discs, they will just be copies of what I have in my bag already. That way I don't have to mark my disc if I want to use the same type of disc again.

I just bought some new, more 'multi purpose' discs to take over where 2 or 3 dsics were needed before. Right now i have:

(all max weight as far as i know)
-Ch. Firebird - when i need to go around corners or trees, once i learn it it will most likely be for windy days too.
-Ch. Teebird - low S curve Shots, or a wider fairway distance driver.
-Z XL - Understable to straight driver for tight fairways and calm days.
-Pro TL - for those hard turning drives and the ocasional roller (if i can pull it off)
-DX Cheetah - Best Tommy disc ever. but it has no other use.
-Z Wasp - windy days or when i need a slow overstable turn
-Z Buzzz - Straight shots under 200'
-X MRV - just replaced my first run. my favorite disc....
-Pro Classic Roc - putter, ocasional straight Midrange.

I think thats about as low as i can go, but i already notice a slight difference in my game. i still have a bunch of discs, but i dont carry around any discs for that one tricky hole anymore. I guess the Cheetah may sort of fall in that category, but Its an amazing disc. if i throw it hard enough, and high enough, i can have it flip over 180* and land rolling on its other edge. This works perfectly on a tight wooded hole here that has a 'Z' bend in it about 200' into the fairway. It lands just before the sharp turn, and rolls through the trees that everyone else hits, and back onto the fairway on the other side. :cool:

im happy to say im at 9 discs down from 15, and im beginning to play better without them.

Well I think I must be completely full of it because my bag doesnt look so small after a second look.

1 175 Z-Flick - Forehand only, for crazy doglegs
1 171 CE Firebird FL - Backhand only, over 300' overstable shots
1 171 Champ Orc - Main Distance Driver
1 171 Champ Teebird
1 164 Champ Eagle - Thumbers only
1 174 CFR Starfire - Headwinds only
2 174 CE Leopards - This has become my go-to driver in calm conditions
1 175 Champ Whippet
1 180 SB Roc
1 180 Champ Coyote
1 174 KC Aviar
3 175 Soft S Wizards

And then for some reason I carry a Pro Starfire and Wraith, which I dont really trust and never throw unless I have a lot of room to work with and a tailwind. I should probably learn thumbers with something other than that eagle, but it works so well that I dont ever feel the need to. I probably throw the CE Leopard, SB Roc and KC Aviar more than anything else in the bag.

It so funny that all you people carry like 10 Drivers and 1or2 midranges...
I throw mostly Midranges on holes because I can throw my mids over 330 accurately.. I carry 2 driver molds and 1 Midrange mold..

Why so many drivers? are they that touchy that you need 1 for each type of throw?

-Scott Lewis

Why so many drivers? are they that touchy that you need 1 for each type of throw?

-Scott Lewis



i throw my midranges more often than drivers, but i think mids are more 'multi purpose' type discs. it may all be in my head, but my mids are very versitile, i have overstabe, stable, and understable, but i bet if i needed to i could use one.

i could never say that about my drivers. my most versitile is probably my teebird, but i dont like it as much for certain shots, because other drivers just fly better. i dont have that many drivers anyway.

Why so many drivers? are they that touchy that you need 1 for each type of throw?

-Scott Lewis



i throw my midranges more often than drivers, but i think mids are more 'multi purpose' type discs. it may all be in my head, but my mids are very versitile, i have overstabe, stable, and understable, but i bet if i needed to i could use one.

i could never say that about my drivers. my most versitile is probably my teebird, but i dont like it as much for certain shots, because other drivers just fly better. i dont have that many drivers anyway.



I completely agree. I throw midranges off the tee more often than drivers, probably. But on longer drives, your flight path is probably more defined and a particular driver is going to make it easier to get that flight path. Mids are versatile enough to cover most any route under 320 or so for me. I mostly have different drivers for different wind conditions, and for different amounts of room to work with. For big headwinds I throw my CFR Starfire. For calm conditions I will throw a Leopard for controlled drives, and an Orc if I am trying to go for a ton of distance. Other than that anything else I carry is for one particular kind of shot. I dont pull them out too often. In yesterday's tournament I only threw 8 discs. If the wind picked up a lot I might have thrown more.

I carry a Leopard, a Dragon, an Avenger, a Spider, a PDGA mid-range and a PDGA putter. I mainly use the Leopard or Dragon to drive, the PDGA midrange for approach shots and the PDGA putter to putt. I only use the Avenger if I need a hyzer or a skip.

I had a Valk which I lost and will probably replace because I liked it a lot and I also want a Wraith. I also had an Orc and a Sabre but I gave them away because I didn't like them.

Went out to the local course after work yesterday. GF was going with and late of course so had very little time B4 dark. Took only my X Pred, X Wasp and GLO Aviar. Threw a 3 under (on 9). My best is 6 under, but that was after a practice round. Could be something to this. :p

I've recently taken 10 discs out of my bag and I'm seeing some improvement. My bag is now like this:

Ch Teebird (170 g) - Main Driver
SE Teebird (169 g) - Very beat up flip disc
Pro Starfire (171 g) - Distance Driver
Ch Sidewinder (170) - Turnover shots
2 DX Rocs - Varying degrees of stability
1 Aviar P&A (175 g)

I've carried this bag for the last month and I've shaved 2 shots per round off of my average. It may just be a coincidence, but maybe not.

PikNik