F.luke lost a 2001 CE Roc at Buckhorn park back in February....

and now it shows up here:

Fluke's CE Roc (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20851&item=7148206738&rd=1)

another example of ebay ruining the game.....

look at his other items. All used discs.

Just like in the past, everyone needs to email this cat and also ebay to report him. I have already done so.

So whats the deal, did the guy respond about it? we can always spam the seller like with the guy selling the ce firebird last time.

I emailed him and basically told him to do the right thing.

He said he's sold a bunch of used discs and I was the first to question morality.

Although what the seller is doing is wrong (and may violate NC's Found Property statute), in his defense, there is no contact info on the disc, only the "VOID" stamp, so unless one knows that that's how FLuke marks his discs, one would have no way of knowing who it belonged to or how to get in touch with him. I know traded in a number of "VOID"-stamped discs at PIAS before I found out that's how FLuke marks his discs, and if I hadn't retrieved one during a tournament last year, I'd still be thinking they were X-outs. :eek:

I agree with that. Players need to put contact info on discs, especially one such as this one.

Who is this guy anyway? I want to know so I can never say anything nice about him.

hes one of those dudes that doesnt play tournaments, just robs people..........

It sucks that this is happening. I have bought used plastic off him before. My only question: If he bought this disc off someone else that found it { I dont belive it was stolen?} do you think he should just release the disc for nothing? I mean, I think returning the disc is the best way to approach it as far as Karma goes, but he should at least get back what he paid for it. Just my opinion.

Losing a disc is a risk everyone takes when they throw it. Yes the dude may be a punk, but if you lose a disc and he finds it he can do whatever he wants with it. Selling it on ebay is a loser thing to do though.

Go and look at the questions and the replies on the item.
He doesn't even know how much its worth.
He told me its only a $5 disc and he didn't think that people would really care so much, but since they do...[*****]'em.

Write your name on your disc. What does VOID mean? If you don't write your name and number on a disc it's your own fault if you lose it.

Hey Frisbee...
SHUT THE [*****] UP!!
No one's ******** about losing a disc.
Someone finding your 2001 roc, knowing what it is, not trying to contact anyone to find its owner, and then selling it on ebay is the matter at hand.

I think that if it was any other disc then there would be no problem. But since it a 2001, and the owner is known, it should be returned. This guy does nothing but troll the lake and make money off others that share the same passion for disc golf. That is WRONG, I don't care which way you slice it. I have always thought that one of the best aspects of this sport is the "do unto others" attitude that abounds. Can't we all just act like human beings? Maybe that is the problem.

Hey I feel for ya man!! I know how this feels. I through drive White Taffy Ce Firebird FX Rainbow Dyed Gold/Blue Stamp at Carroll Marty at worlds and I went high in trees and knew were it was. Went to come back after the round it was gone. The dude that took it was a spectator and was watching for discs to scarf up here and there.

So it ended up on ebay. I bid on the item and then got his contact info and called him. I called him up and said hey man I'm the owner of this disc. If you look at the phone number on your phone you will see it is the number on the disc. I said can you please take it off ebay; and I offered him 2 new Champion Firebirds for it. I thought that was generious us of me. He said how about both the discs and $40. I said come on dude do the right thing. He said ok then $55. I was ******. It was mint still I threw it 5 times. My name PDGA# & phone# were on the disc. When he posted the item he lied and said it was his name & #. Plus it was a custom dye job that made it unique.

So basically everyone was bidding on the item like mad scary. Getting his contact if and calling him and emailing over and over. Finally he took it of ebay and never returned my calls. He is some stupid low life that thinks it is right to steal and be dishonest.

I never got it back but I did get a replacement from a friend. I also wanted to add MTL is a good Joe in my book. At 04 Iowa Worlds I lost a Ce firebird and he found it looked me up online by PDGA# and low and behold I was standing right behind him when he said "who's this Hamm dude"? I said ahh that be me. I was in shock. I still owe you one man!!

So what is the actual reply from the seller on ebay, Im still only hearing a bunch of people chming in with out knowing the whole story. And I still think Widiscgolf should have done more to get your firebird back. As for the roc, its a very good point that there is no contact info on it. But now that the true owner of the disc is known it should be returned. Another good point is what if he bought it from someone else. Then he would be entitled to compensation. As for dragging the lake, it takes work to get a disc from the depths and also deserves compensation. Whether its a one dollar disc or a 1000 dollar disc, the morals and standards shouldnt deviate due to a price tag. I wish everyone would get the full story before throwing opinions out.

So what is the actual reply from the seller on ebay, Im still only hearing a bunch of people chming in with out knowing the whole story. And I still think Widiscgolf should have done more to get your firebird back. As for the roc, its a very good point that there is no contact info on it. But now that the true owner of the disc is known it should be returned. Another good point is what if he bought it from someone else. Then he would be entitled to compensation. As for dragging the lake, it takes work to get a disc from the depths and also deserves compensation. Whether its a one dollar disc or a 1000 dollar disc, the morals and standards shouldnt deviate due to a price tag. I wish everyone would get the full story before throwing opinions out.





alright...here you go...from someone that has gotten a reply from him:


looks like bkmisha isn't giving up the disc, he says he has to supplement he meager income. With something worth that much I do not belive that finders keepers is the rule, I think that you have to make an honest effort to find the original owner before you can go and sell it for your own personal gain. Put some pressure on this guy and help Fluke out!!!




Also, the disc was not lost in water. F.luke lost it on a hole that had no water. TTaekwon, Bond, and F.luke spent a while going back and looking carefully on each hole and inquiring each group. I was there that day and after they told my group about it, we kept an eye out for it(we were on hole 4 and the lost it between 3 and 7)

Hey Frisbee...
SHUT THE [*****] UP!!
No one's ******** about losing a disc.
Someone finding your 2001 roc, knowing what it is, not trying to contact anyone to find its owner, and then selling it on ebay is the matter at hand.



I think YOU need to shut the F up. I've got a biga$$ stamp on the underside of my discs, obnoxiously big, but I also put my pdga#, name, and phone on it as well. Don't act crappy because someone simply pointed out a way to make it easier on the owner. PUT YOUR **** INFO ON IT! No, it doesn't allways work ( I leave a few soldiers behind from time to time), but MOST of the time I get the callback or someone recognized my stamp and returned it to me. I left a texas 10 ROC in a dallas creek and a dude called me a few days later.

On the other hand, some douchenozzles like this guy would sell it if it had name, adress, soc. security #, blood type... I'd flood the sale and keep emailing his worthless self. Guys like that are pathetic.

Morgan isn't trying to be helpful, he' just being obnoxious.
Contact info wouldn't help here, this guy would sell the disc anyway. As for compensation for trolling the lake, he doesn't deserve any, cause its against the law at the parks here.

Morgan isn't trying to be helpful, he' just being obnoxious.
Contact info wouldn't help here, this guy would sell the disc anyway. As for compensation for trolling the lake, he doesn't deserve any, cause its against the law at the parks here.



Then maybe he would deserve more compensation for breaking the law to retrieve a disc....

Or perhaps he should not be trolling the water and selling peoples discs, this guy doesn't even play disc golf.

I think that he does play. Since the disc was found on a hole and not in the water would suggest that he found it walking the course. If he did buy it off someone he most certainly ripped them off because obviously they did not know what they had. Either way the guy is a vulture and is not welcome around me. I hope that I know who it is so I can tell them off to their f*cking worthless face.

I do not want any threats directed at this guy. I wold just like my roc back.
I mentioned a reward to him.
he hasn't responded.
i'm willing to give up 2 2003 rocs for it. - he could sell those(although one of them has the "VOID" stamp, too).

I emailed him last night!! good luck!!

werd

i don't have a name. I'm like the artist formerly known as prince (who is also currently known as prince). what does void mean? it has several meanings: a general emptiness, or perhaps, not valid.
when i lost the disc i knew it probably would not come back. I let it go.
now it has shown up on ebay and I have contacted the seller so that he has the ability to rectify the situation. I have offered a reward. he has not responded. I have given him my direct email - he has not contacted me. this is why there is an issue of morality. He is now, with full knowledge, selling a disc that does not belong to him.

I think that if it was any other disc then there would be no problem. But since it a 2001, and the owner is known, it should be returned. This guy does nothing but troll the lake and make money off others that share the same passion for disc golf. That is WRONG, I don't care which way you slice it.

OK, let's get some facts straight here:

1) according to what FLuke told me at the time he lost the disc, he did not lose it in the lake; he inadvertently left it behind on a hole and went back to look for it later. If that is true, then the guy who found it DID NOT troll the lake to find this particular disc;

2) although the NC Found Property Statute requires a finder to return found property to the owner if known or discovered and requires that the finder make a good faith effort to discover the owner, if unknown, the statute does not require a finder to exercise extraordinary means to discover the owner, if unknown. More importantly, it is established doctrine in case law that the presumed owner is the person whose name and/or contact information appears on the found property. Practically speaking, if the marking on a found item is not generally and widely recognizable to the public at large as identifying the owner against all other possible claimants, the owner is presumed to be unknown. By that standard, simple initials, artwork, a given name, are not sufficiently distinctive as to identify the owner. (Even a PDGA # is not sufficient to serve as proof of ownership because PDGA #s are not generally and widely recognized among the public at large.) By that standard, a VOID stamp is not sufficiently unique or distinctive to serve to identify the owner to the public at large, so for practical purposes, the finder is entitled to treat the owner as unknown until such time as a claimant is able to produce proof of ownership.

Since FLuke has contacted the seller and claimed ownership, the finder cannot lawfull dispose of the disc until that claim is resolved. In principle, FLuke could sue the finder in small claims court for the recovery of the disc (or fair market replacement value if the disc is sold in the meantime) and/or swear out a criminal complaint against the seller for violating the NC Found Property statute. (Be warned, however, that my conversations with Raleigh, Wake County, Durham, and CH law enforcement suggests that they take a "who cares" attitude toward enforcement of Found Property law since non-compliance a misdemeanor (unless the property is worth more than $200), and the seller, if convicted, would most likely get off with a token fine). He should file a complaint with Ebay, noting specifically that the the item is being sold in violation of NC Found Property law, that he has contacted the seller directly, offering to provide proof of ownership and to pay the seller a finder's fee, and that the seller has not responded to his offers, thereby indicating that the seller intends to proceed with the auction in violation of NC law. (It might be possible to make a case against Ebay if they allow the auction to proceed.) I would further suggest that FLuke take screenshot of the auction, including the questions from other memebers, and keep copies of all correspondence with the seller and Ebay, as well as a log (date and time) of any attempts to contact the seller by phone, as potential evidence in either a small claims suit or a criminal case, should either prove necessary. (Hopefully, it won't come to that, but it's prudent to have the necessary evidence on hand, should it come to that.)

[i]LEGAL DISCLAIMER: The preceding is based on my understanding of NC Found Propery law from conversations with my lawyer and with law enforcement authorities in Raleigh, Durham, Wake County, and Chapel Hill. Don't take legal advice from someone over the internet. I'm not a lawyer, and even if I were, I wouldn't necessarily be lawyer.[/]

the seller has contacted me and agreed to stop the auction IF we can come to some sort of compensation agreement. What does he deserve?

What does he deserve?



please, no violence.

A swift kick in the ----- :D:D

i SAID no violence.

and here we have another peaceful solution, one more crisis averted by the quick actions of the DG community. Here is a transcript of our email exchange:

Some names have been changed to protect the innocent
(it also reads from bottom to top like email is wont to do - i'm to lasy to invert)

Thank you Ted.
I can meet you there. I do have one caveat - one of the 2003 rocs has my "void" stamp, already - it is slightly used(perhaps I could advertise it for you). I have other new plastic i could offer.

I will do my part to keep your name clean in the DG community, although your actions speak louder in a situation like this. I'm sure the will appreciate it.

Luke Reiser.

On Apr 10, 2005 10:40 PM, Trixie and Ted
<bkmisha@[*****].com> wrote:
> I accept both the apology and the offer of the trade.
>
> You do not have to write to the current high bidder on
> ebay - but I offer that in the spirit of the supposid
> DG community, you might consider it.
>
> I will cancel the auction after the exchange.
>
> Public rendezous I offer:
> He'sNotHere - Chapel Hill.
> 6:00 pm - tomorrow (Monday)
> How does that seem to you?
>
>
> --- Luke Reiser <lreiser@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ted:
> > I apologize for anyone who got a little "militant"
> > about the disc.
> > I'm sure, in my original contact, I may have been a
> > bit hasty. I hope
> > you can forgive it.
> >
> > I have many discs which you can choose from to do
> > with what you wish.
> > How much compensation do you feel you deserve? I
> > have 2 ROCs from the
> > 2003 USDGC. I am willing to part with BOTH of them.
> > They will fetch
> > a good price on ebay.
> >
> > I will not hold a grudge against you. I know it
> > would have been
> > easier if I had put my contact info on the disc, but
> > what fun is that.
> >
> > thank you for your time and understanding.
> >
> > Luke Reiser
> >
> > On Apr 10, 2005 6:53 PM, Trixie and Ted
> > <bkmisha@[*****].com> wrote:
> > > Fluke, your most recent ebay message asked for a
> > > personnal email account.
> > > Here I am.
> > >
> > > I am willing to cancel the auction.
> > > If and when you and I come to an agreement, before
> > the
> > > cancelation of the auction, I will ask that you
> > email
> > > the current high bidder and explain to him why the
> > > auction is being cancelled.
> > > You can use any words you want.
> > > I would like to be "cc'ed" on the email.
> > >
> > > The tenor of the ebay conversation has my dander
> > up:
> > > Harassment and threats from multiple sources.
> > > I am very far from 'OK' on this subject.
> > > I am curious to read your offer.
> > >

Hooray! Another victory for the Peaceniks and the roc throwers! Now you can cancel the wrath of Mojo the Helper/Thug Monkey! :D

the real queastion is, what have you learned from this experiance? i know i learned i need to mark my discs a lil better, how bout you?

Glad to hear your negotiating. Hope everything turns out well and you get your sweet disc back. Two 2003s is pretty good compensation in my books. Wish Widiscgolfs similar experience could have come to the same happy ending.

A friend actually sent me a new white ce fx for a replacement. I never did get my original back. I contacted the guy who took it over and over offering some $ for his worries or 2 new champion f's. I also talked to the area discgolf club about it. Still nothing. So I did do something about it.

As of Monday April 11 - 10:34 AM - I am the high bidder for this disc [I didn't read all the comments or even know they were there until I ran into a buddy at doubles Sunday who knows my e-bay name and told me about it] - in any event I've no problem w/cancelling the auction.

My two cents - put your info on discs if you want the possibility of them being voluntarily returned - but that's all it is - a possibility. Threats of violence, antagonism and intimidation etc. over shaped plastic are wrong.

Ironically, I may be the only other person to have left an 01 CE Roc on the ground [hole 18 on the front course at Kendall/Dade FL] two Christmas' ago -

It was long gone by the next day when I noticed it wasn't in the bag!

Chuck

the guy with the roc on ebay responded to my email. I simply suggested that he give the disc back and mentioned karma. He responded that i should bid on it so i could return the disc!! what an azzhole!! :confused:

Ironically, I may be the only other person to have left an 01 CE Roc on the ground...


I did that at Z-Boaz before the mid-week mini once. I got it back a few months later, though. :)

Looks like all's well that ends well, although that sucks the seller gets $100 worth of plastic for being douchenozzle (nice)
It wasn't a 2001 by any means, but at Kensington Tunnel I threw a 2nd drive on 18 with my 03 roc and took off after putting out my first drive. I realized what I had done at Cass Benton on the 1st tee later that day, and I think I cried.

I have MY 2001 back!
Trust me the 2003 rocs are no skin off my back.
sure i could have been a d!ck, but he was probably going to make well over 100 dollars for the 2001. I feel fine about giving up the 2003's.

Threats of violence, antagonism and intimidation etc. over shaped plastic are wrong



I agree, chuck - I never made any threat and i'm a little pi$$ed that some people may have made "implied" threats. My first contact with the seller - offered to "reward him in some fashion," somehow HE took this to be threatening, and got defensive - things could have resolved quickly if he had contacted me immediately upon receiving my pesonal email.
oh well.

TTriMojoFishiZZAck.
glad to hear you goTT it back......i know it was your baby

Not trying to beat a dead horse down but in your email you write:
" I know it
> > would have been
> > easier if I had put my contact info on the disc, but
> > what fun is that. "

I am relatively new to this Sport but to me this just does not make sense !!
Such a valuable Disc without proper contact information !!!!
I don't understand that. I am green at this game but I am religous about putting my name, number, and email even on my used Dx Discs.
Am I missing something here in understanding this situation??

I think you missed the part about NOT beating a dead horse

I think what everyone needs to realize is that names, #'s, hell directions to your house ont he back of the disc is not going to help when ti comes to this guy. Read some of the other posts. people have gotten discs from this guy that had no mention of a name on the disc. THen when they get the disc and turn it over they realize that they know the person whose info is all over the bottom of the disc. So put your name on your disc if you want, this guy will sell it any way. I say we start a boycott of his online sales.

I disagree. You waived all rights on a lost disc if you didn't put your name and valid phone number or e-mail address on it.

Name and contact info might not help with this guy, but they would certainly work with me. If I find a disc, I will attempt to contact the person on the disc. If it is only a mark and no name, I may ask a few people at the course, but after that it gets thrown in the garage with my other plastic.

Make it easy for honest people to be honest.

I disagree. You waived all rights on a lost disc if you didn't put your name and valid phone number or e-mail address on it.

Not true.

US common law presumes that an owner retains all rights over lost property, including the absolute right of recovery, even in the absence of ownership identification appearing on the lost property, as long as the owner intends to recover the lost property. Something as simple as posting a "lost disc" notice containing a description of the lost disc and the area in which the disc was presumed to have been lost on a course announcement board is sufficient to establish "intent to recover," even if the owner made no effort to recover the disc at the time the loss was first noticed. Only if the owner expressly declares the intent NOT to recover, such as by writing "Yours now" on a disc or by declaring "If you find it, keep it," etc., does the owner forfeit his/her rights to the disc.

The 36 states (as of 2000) that have Found Property statutes on the books go even further to protect the owner's right to the return of lost property. In states that do not have a Found Property statute, US common law prevails.

HOWEVER, if the party who lost the property item has no way of proving that the item in question is theirs, they cannot claim ownership. For example if i buy a disc and dont put an identifying mark on the disc and someone else picks it up, then I cant claim it to be mine. Also by giving up looking for a disc, you are forfieting your rights to ownership if your names not on the disc because you stopped efforts to recover.

Make it easy for honest people to be honest.


I think honest people, obviously not bkmisha, are as such not because it is EASY, but becasue they have a personal ethic about how they treat others and wish to be treated. Why is it my (or anybody's) responsibilty to make you (or others) better people.

be brothers and not B!tches

HOWEVER, if the party who lost the property item has no way of proving that the item in question is theirs, they cannot claim ownership. For example if i buy a disc and dont put an identifying mark on the disc and someone else picks it up, then I cant claim it to be mine.

Wrong.

If a Player A loses a 172g yellow Champion Panther with a rainbow hotstamp on the right side of the fairway of hole 4 approx. 280' from the teepad, and posts a "lost disc" notice detailing the place and circumstances and Player B subsequently finds a 172g yellow Champion Panther with a rainbow hotstamp on the right side of the fairway of hole 4 approx. 270' from the teepad, Found Property Law presumes the lost disc and the found disc to be one and the same, notwithstanding the lack of any identifying mark on the found disc.

"To determine whether the former possessor really abandoned the property ... the kind of property, the place where left, and the circumstances of the leaving are vitally important. Abandonment involves both the fact of relinquishment and the requisite intent." Aigler, Rights of Finders, 21 Mich. L.Rev. 664 (1923)"


Also by giving up looking for a disc, you are forfieting your rights to ownership if your names not on the disc because you stopped efforts to recover.

Wrong. (http://www.lexisnexis.com/lawschool/study/outlines/html/prop/prop04.htm) Neither American Common Law nor Statutory Law make effort to recover a conditon of retaining ownership, nor does the law require that ownership by demonstrated by a mark on the found property. Found Property law preserves against the world the right of the owner to recover property that is unintentionally and involuntarily lost, whether through neglect, inadvertence, forgetfulness, ignorance of its location, or inability to recover; consequently, a found disc is always presumed to have been lost or misplaced rather than abandoned. Therefore, a player does not relinquish ownership of a disc simply because he does not wade into a lake/pond/the schule to recover it. A player who breaks off searching for a disc due to circumstances, whether voluntarily or involuntarily (such as upon the expiration of the 3 minutes alloted to search for a lost disc during a sanctioned tournament), retains ownership if the player's intention is to recover the disc, even if the player makes no effort to recover the disc at the time its loss was first noticed. Only when the owner intentionally and voluntarily abandons the property does the owner relinquish all rights, title, and interest in it.

class dismissed!

I was playing ball golf and at one of the dog legs was a sign.
"Lost nike ball with 3 dots marked on the ball"
I wonder if the guy ever got that ball back or was that the ball that tiger pitched in on 16, the last round of the masters?

I always call if there is a number and if not a number I ask people I see if they lost disc (they need to describe it though). However, I have lost about 4 discs with my name and number and have never gotten a call. I actually found a guy selling one 2 weeks after the fact, at a different course for $5. I gave him $2 for his effort after explaining it was mine and showing him another disc I had w/name & number matching(he still wanted $5, but I handed him $2 and put it in my bag).

I have had 5 calls (or emails) in 15 years, on 2 I asked the finder if they could use the disc, and told them to keep them.
2 of them were expensive hard to replace discs that were returned at other events (one over a year later). The last should be returned shortly. Another player found it during the tournament and forgot to put it in the lost and found. I got an email the next day.

So I guess that's 5 out of maybe 30 lost discs. Not too bad when most of the lost discs were in places where they would be very hard to find.

Same guy.....this time it is my disc!

My DISC (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20851&item=7148892107&rd=1)

nice to see that he learned his lesson :mad:

that's some BS someone needs to talk to this guy really

I just sent him an email informing him that this is my disc and has my mark on it. If you look at the large photo that is on the UNC server, you can clearly make out the word "Plankeye." I know I definately did not sell this disc to anyone but lost it on hole 17's bogg lagoon.

I was going to bid on that T-Bird, bit scared to now. Would hate to get it and it have a # on it.

it's interesting that every one of his auctions is for used discs... would it be safe to say that every disc he sells on ebay is the property of someone else? i would think so. :mad:

well i am sure some of the discs don't have names, numbers, or any type of identification on the disc.

well I emailed him earlier today and I haven't gotten a response. I know he has been online to get my email because he has posted more stuff on ebay.

I checked the auction again today to see what it was at.

I looked at the picture and it looked different, so I made the image larger and it is a different picture now. He took the disc and marked out my name on it and took a new picture.

Did you have your contact info on it, or just plankeye?

why has no one left him negative feedback? discussing him selling stolen property on the PDGA board will not be as effective as discussing him selling stolen property on ebay. I personally don't participate at ebay or I would leave him some not so nice comments. :p

feedback can only be left after you have won a bid for an item. if he delivers the bid item as promised, there is no reason to leave negative feedback. has he sold a disc with a name and number on it, has it been proven that he did not try and contact someone whose name and number were on a found disc? unfortunately, this is not the only perp, i believe someone with the ebay handle 'srladyhawk' from SC has the same deal going. only this person blacks out all names and numbers so there is no claim. i have never seen this person list an item that was not used and didn't have a black sharpie box somewhere on the disc.

take a gander at these auctions (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=srladyhawk)

When are you guys going to realize that once you lose a disc, it is not yours.

Quite whining and crying.

And felix if you'd ask around, you'd see that the NC Found Property statute almost certainly doesn't apply to golf discs, as they are a disposable and expendable instrument of a sporting activity, much like golf balls and fishing lures. :o

Even if Found Property statutes or Common Law applies, it's still petty and ridiculous to whine about something that you gave up looking for. Grow up people. :D

i am not whining nor crying, don't reply to me in your posts insinuating such

No real jeff I was talking about the others. The whiners and criers. I'm a flat mode poster who isn't smart enough to reply to a specific post unless I'm actually quoting it. :D Sometimes us noobs just reply to the latest post in a thread when it applies in general. :D:p

When are you guys going to realize that once you lose a disc, it is not yours.

Quite whining and crying.

And felix if you'd ask around, you'd see that the NC Found Property statute almost certainly doesn't apply to golf discs, as they are a disposable and expendable instrument of a sporting activity, much like golf balls and fishing lures. :o





Could you quote the case reference on that one?

Personal Property marked with a name and phone number or
DL #, or SS # (probably not a pdga#), is uniquely identifiable. It is your personal property until you
relinquish ownership through sale or disposal.

If you buy stolen property, you may be required to
relinquish said property without compensation to the
rightful owner, even if you had no idea that it was stolen.

Those discs with the giant black marks on the back are
most likely stolen.

Nah, not "stolen." But I have a feeling she(srladyhawk) "found" them in a pond. Just like the guy is doing here in NC.

Here is one more thing I remembered...he works for WCPSS.

There is another in Raleigh under the handle ximesipu.
ximesipu's auctions (http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZximesipu)

And felix if you'd ask around, you'd see that the NC Found Property statute almost certainly doesn't apply to golf discs, as they are a disposable and expendable instrument of a sporting activity, much like golf balls and fishing lures. :o

Hank, I suggest you do as I have already done and contact the NC Attorney General's office or law enforcement department of the locale in which the disc is found, all of which have stated uneqiovocally and without exception that the NC statute DOES apply to golf discs.

Yeah so was beached wills contact info on it or not? If not then tough titties. If so then it should be returned.

Would an email address be a widely accepted form of identification/contact ?

No it wasn't, but here is the thing.

The guy on ebay has sold a ton or discs that do have names, numbers and email addresses on them.

Yeah so was beached wills contact info on it or not? If not then tough titties. If so then it should be returned.



Plus it is too late to be returned, the auction ended yesterday.

I also think you missed the whole..."NC Property Law" comment that Felix has mentioned several times.

You know the guy is a beeeyootch when you email claiming a disc that he has on ebay(that he got illegally), and the guy takes a new picture of it with my name marked out.

I bought a green 2nd or 3rd run Leopard off "bkmishka", quite awhile ago. It had " Rudedog" on the inner rim. If there is someone that is missing this disc and wants it back, I will sell it for the price paid + shipping. PM me.

Here is an example of why the guy doesn't care if there is a contact number or not:

11x Eagle with contact info easily seen (http://www.unc.edu/~detemple/Disks/d24/d24a.jpg)

Same eagle with contact info sharpied out (http://www.unc.edu/~detemple/Disks/d24/d24aa.JPG)

Name and Contact info is on disc (http://www.unc.edu/~detemple/Disks/d151/d151a.JPG)

Contact info is easily seen on disc (http://www.unc.edu/~detemple/Disks/d23/d23a.jpg), but the disc has ended up on ebay(or will end up on ebay soon).

Dave McQuay's Wildcat (http://www.unc.edu/~detemple/Disks/d161/d161a.JPG)

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Buy your wildcat back Dave!

There is another in Raleigh under the handle ximesipu.
ximesipu's auctions (http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZximesipu)



Looked at his auctions this morning and I think there are 2 discs that have my friend's contact info on them. Hell one of them even goes in to help Felix out when there are PDGA tournies at Buckhorn and Cedar Hills

Wow, I do believe that 9X Eagle in one of the sets is mine, I threw it in the water at Cedar a few weeks ago. I could be mistaken but....seems fishy.