Curious about another new disc, tell me about it?

It is made by ching.

Called the velocity

And also has the dimple technology

i love condescension. :D
you playing this weekend, scooter?

Sorry about those post but I was kinda bored. :D:D

For once no actually. I found another golfer in Livingston and I plan on going over to talk to him. I will do my 2 hour putting routine but that's about it. :( :(

Holgate, the owner of CHING, was kind enough to send me a few of the Virgin Supreme Velocity's for test dye/fly....I have been throwing it for about a week now, and I have gotten about 5-6 rounds with it and I have taken it to the field just to see how it flies.

This disc is AWESOME!!!! I love throwing it, it flies sooooo smooth!!! The contours(dimples) are set up basically the same as on the Juju, and they allow you to throw the disc with more/less stability by simply using the contours!!! It is basically a stable driver, with a fade at the end of flight. With the contours I can make it fly just about any way I want it to fly!!!

Since I started playing around with the Proto Mojo's I was hooked to that disc!!! I feel like I am getting hooked on the Velocity just the same!!! I just cant say enough good things about this disc and the other discs CHING has been coming up with the last few years!!!

Oh, I suppose you'd like to see a picture of it...I took a pic of an undyed Velocity(so you can see the contours) and of course a DR DYED Velocity!!!

Here they are:

DR DYED CHING PROTO VIRGIN SUPREME VELOCITY!!! (http://www.drdyed.com/gallery/10-and-up-dye-jobs/Ching_VS_Velocity_holgate)

UNDYED CHING PROTO VIRGIN SUPREME VELOCITY!!! (http://www.drdyed.com/gallery/10-and-up-dye-jobs/CHING_VelocityUndyed)

If you want to see a bigger picture, just click on the picture in the link.

Keep em coming Holgate :D

Thanks a lot Dr Dye, it looks great :D

Thanks its my pleasure :D

I have played a few more rounds with it now, including a night round of doubles with our local club. When I play a night round I use clear packing tape and tiny red LED lights and tape the light right on the center of the disc. The light made it a bit more understable, but allowed me to get a nice long anhyzer shot with it. And I could still us the right contour to make it fly on a spike hyzer anytime I wanted!! This disc may just be a dream come true!!! A disc that you can fly long straight shots, long fade, productive S curves, long anhyzer, spike hyzer, and even rollers!!! It has to be one of the most versatile discs I have ever had the pleasure to throw!!!

The quarter K???? I think if any new disc(s) to the market this year can compete with the the QK its going to be the Velocity!!! It may not fly as far(who knows I havent throw the QK yet) but I'll bet it is going to be much more versatile!!! Which is what a disc golfer is really looking for right?? A disc that goes far is great, but its gotta be accurate!!! I think that once I really get used to this disc I could hypotheticly throw a round with a bag full of Velocity's at different wieghts, with a few Juju's to can the putts and any upshots!!!

Now all we need is a good solid midrange(250-350ft)....Holgate got any plans for a midrange contoured disc???

Joe - thanks for your testing...dyes look great as expected.

We might be able to get a midrange done later this year...one thing at a time though. Velocity should be available this summer, as they are in line for production next week.

Joe - thanks for your testing...dyes look great as expected.

We might be able to get a midrange done later this year...one thing at a time though. Velocity should be available this summer, as they are in line for production next week.



I look forward to when you do get around to making a midrange!!! I love how both the Juju and the Velocity fly, both really fly smooth!!!

Velocity should be available this summer, as they are in line for production next week.



Will they be available in different colors? I've had the opportunity to watch Joe throw his, but the "colorless" version kind of scares me. It will definitely need a Dr.Dye makeover before I threw it.

Serg - there will be several translucent colors to choose from, and also some that will be clear (colorless) in the 'Virgin' Supreme blend.

There were a number of these at the Charlotte Renny Mules tournament this weekend, and I thought they flew similarly to a slightly more stable Champ Sidewinder.

Hey Karl,

Most of the drivers appearing at Renny were probably in a variation of our Fusion plastic...white - not clear. I'm guessing (I haven't thrown the Champion Sidewinder) that your description is probably accurate for that blend, which isn't quite as stable as our Supreme stuff in this model.

Yeah, the one I got to throw was the white. Lots of glide, and really controllable. I'd really like to see how much glide it has in the more stable variety. Thanks for the contribution to the Tournament too!

I also got one at Renny Mules (and 2 JUJUs), and I found it to be very understable. I only threw it twice, once with my thumb in the most near the edge position and once in the farthest position. I threw both flat just to see how it would fly and it flipped over both times. I'd like to try it somemore, but I also don't want to mess up a proto?/1st run disc.

Rob - anything blank (no hotstamp) at this point is probably prototype, but to be sure check the underside: no text engraved is definitely prototype phase, and kryptic handwriting is plastic testing info.

I think there were several variations in the samples there. Stiffer mix would drop the nose a little more for less stability. If used for throwing stock they can be flexed up to gain high speed control, but that can yield inconsistent results.

Thanks for the contribution to the tourny, and the reply.

I recently got 3 Velocity discs. I was first intoduced to them at the Renny Mules Tourney in Charlotte. These are in a "pro" type plastic stiffer than the clear one I saw at Renny mules.

The second disc I threw (1st throw for that one), my T shot bounced off the basket at hole 1 at Oak Hollow - and I am not that good! Lucky maybe, but perhaps it had something to do with the disc. The fade is in the neighborhood of a Leopard, but with less propensity to turn over at high speed and more distance.

As a physician with a math/science background, I'm a dedicated sceptic, so my first impression when seeing the dimples was that it was nothing more than styling and hype. After using the disc; however, it seems that there may be something to it after all. The disc seems to fight turning over and converts this resistance to turn-over into excellent glide when thrown properly.

The disc got me interested so I looked at Ching's web site. Ching refers to this property as "Excelerator" technology and attributes it to the airflow properties over the trailing edge of the disc caused by the dimples. They have a diagram of this effect on their web site for anyone interested in seeing it.

As is typical for me, I hit some trees but the disc showed no obvious wear. much like "pro" plastic.

Overall, I'd say the disc has good distance while being the straightest flying disc I have - replacing my Leopard. It fights turn over like an overstable disc, but has very little fade at the end of it's flight like a used Roc.

The dimples are a nice place to put one's thumb and give one reassuarance that the grip is consistant throw after throw, but I'd say their real importance lies in the way they affect the disc's flight as described above.

Indeed!!! The contours have a purpose!!!!

Lets see if I can explain it properly...The circle of contours(with one "blank" contour right on the edge of the disc) are placed so that it is elliptical to the center of the disc. Here is a pic for reference... pic of undyed velocity (http://www.drdyed.com/gallery/10-and-up-dye-jobs/CHING_VelocityUndyed) Now, the "blank" in this pic is a the top of the disc. Starting from the "blank", the contours directly on either side of the "blank" is used for more of an anhyzer shot. Each contour further away from the "blank" is gradually getter more to a hyzer shot, to the contour directly across from the "blank" which is used for the most hyzer shots.

Correct me if I am wrong in any of my explaination Holgate :D


I have now been throwing the Velocity for about a month or so. Man, what a great disc!!! Using the contours I can really get that disc to fly just the way I want!!! I think I could go through a entire round throwing just the velocity in different weights.....Well I guess I would need at least one other disc for putting, probably a JUJU :D

Oh, if you want to see a much more cool pic of the Velocity check this out.... DR DYED CHING VELOCITY (http://www.drdyed.com/gallery/10-and-up-dye-jobs/Ching_VS_Velocity_holgate)

I got one clear Supreme Velocity 172gr and two in a pretty hard plastic (like DX) 166gr (but with a nice feeling to the surface). I have not find time to tried them out much :(, but still the first impressions are positive, short test though, maybe 20 throws, 7-8 degress Celsius, no wind:
The "dx"-plastic flies really straight (I�m not a big arm) with a gentle fade in the end, and the go far, not fast but the seem to have a good glide and the disc feels really reliable. Great disc!
First impression of the Supreme-version is..., well it doesn�t go that far, a bit more stable maybe, but it does not have the same great glide as the "dx"-one. The weight has of course something to do with it, but the difference where big.
Have to try them out more :Dand get my buddies to try them! !

We are now taking pre-orders for both of the new Ching releases; the Supreme Juju (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3147-SJUJU) and Supreme Velocity (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3147-SVLCT) . They should be in by the end of the week.

Thanks!
Mike Barnett

Genesis is the next disc in the Ching pipeline. I have been throwing it for about 3 weeks in High Point and Charlotte and have the following observations:

- Genesis is a long range driver with stability and distance comparable to a Valkrie, but less fade at the end - again probably due to the dimples AKA "Excellerator Technology"

- Genesis looks different than the Juju or Genesis. It has an indentation pattern reminiscent of a 3 bladed propeller radiating from the top of the disc from center to near the edge. This leaves plenty of room to grip the disc on the smooth parts in between the blades much like a regular disc.

- The disc handles a headwind well and maintains level flight if released that way. Down wind, it is as described above.

- The "supreme" plastic is similar in durability to other companies clear -ish plastics but has a softer "grippier" feel

- The advantage of all this is that one has a long-range driver with a minimum of terminal fade. I think Ching has got a winner with this one, and predict it will be very popular.

- This disc, when released will give Ching a putter (Juju) a fairway driver that flies as straight as a midrange (Velocity) and a longrange driver (Genesis) all based on the "excellerator technology"

I have been using the Mojo (now Juju) putter for a year. I use it because I find it to be one of the straightest flyers at low speed. I can throw a soft put up to the hole without significant fade, and due to the low speed, not worry too much about a tough comeback shot. It is of moderate stability (like an aviar -x) for putters at higher speeds.

I have been trying out the new supreme JuJu advertised in this months DGWN for a bit over a month. It shares the same qualities as it's predecessor I noted above. Some further observations: The supreme plastic used in this disc makes it into what has to be the grippiest putter I have seen. It will stick to the chains better than anything else out there for two reasons. One is it's tactile/grippy surface. The other is because it flexes more than anything else out there, thus dissipating lateral forces and making it less likely to bounce off the chains. It is also the most likely to 'stick into the side" of the basket for the same reasons.

i have thrown the proto velocities a bit and i have to say that the dimples finally have a noticeable effect on the flight.

this is both good and bad. the good side is that it will help the disc maintain its orientation. it fights flattening from a hyzer and wants to hold the anhyzer line. the bad side is that it really doesn't want to flip up from a hyzer (at least when new) but it is slightly understable for players with 330+ power.

however, for players w/ mid-level power (in the 260-320' range), this appears to be one of the straightest discs around when thrown flat. flight path was similar to the sabre to me with very little and late low speed fade.

speedwise i would say it is near a valkyrie. didn't seem to have a lot of glide to it, but am not sure how the production run will compare to the protos. am unsure of how it will stand from a versatility standpoint, but definitely had strengths.

Blake wrote: "however, for players w/ mid-level power (in the 260-320' range), this appears to be one of the straightest discs around when thrown flat. flight path was similar to the sabre to me with very little and late low speed fade. "

That's my range FWIW

Blake wrote: "however, for players w/ mid-level power (in the 260-320' range), this appears to be one of the straightest discs around when thrown flat. flight path was similar to the sabre to me with very little and late low speed fade. "

That's my range FWIW

me too /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

To add to the embarrassment, my range these days is noticably less than that of my 10 year-old son !!

But David Jr. holds the world's distance record for under 10 year old and dusts a whole bunch of old men. :cool:

Do all of the Supreme Velocities only come in the softer, more flexable plastic or are there some stiffer production ones out there? I had a prototype Supreme Juju that was in this plastic that was similar to Z and Champion plastic, but sort of milky and swirled a bit (Holgate called it "creamy" in a PM). It was also stiffer than the nearly transparent versions I saw at the store today. I'd like to try out the Velocity, but I'm not sure I want a driver that's as flexable as the ones I saw.

Thanks.

Holgate rules! I am on the way to the post office to pick mine up. Thank you so much and we all appreciate the generosity. :cool:

I too have a couple of the creamy proto's, and agree with the flexibility, the protos are much stiffer. Not really hard just stiffer than any 1st runs I have seen. I also have a couple of the Juju in the same proto plastic, not nearly as gummy. The only draw back I have found in the flexibility in the Velocity is that when you hit something(brush, trees, ect) with it, the disc seems to fold then fall straight down. Some of my stiffer drivers(non-CHING) are hard enough to go through some bruch pretty well. The versitility of the Velocity is really what attracts me to this driver. I can really put a lot of snap on it and still(when using different contours for different shots) can make it fly anyway I want it hyzer, anny, straight, roller, anything!!!

Good question...Holgate are you going to make any in a stiffer plastic, and is there a purpose you have in mind by making the plastic so flexible?? I understand the Juju in a really soft plastic just gripping to the chains, but why the Velocity??

Oh, Holgate keep the new molds coming :D I love everything you have come up with so far!!!

He truely is a visionary of his own kind. ;) I got mine now and I'm lusting over the thought of watching them fly over the green fairways of Texas!

I have had the supreme velocities for about a week now.
I have thrown about 40 shots with it in a field and on the course. The retail asthetics of the disc is awesome and most who come in our store are quite intrigued by them!

While this seems to be a fun disc to throw, I doubt too many competitive players would choose to use one in their regular lineup.
The flexibilty of these discs makes it very unpredictable for speeds over 30 MPH.
I also noticed they seem to lose velocity after about 2/3rds of the flight.
They seem to have more of a mid-range quality than a driver unless you can only throw 275.
Any player with off axis rotation ( turbulance in release) will most likely flip this disc over right out of their hand.
The thing that I find uncomfortable is the grooves on the underside.
The sides of my fingers in the power grip seem to lose contact with the surface and I cant fan grip it at all.
I found my self searching for ways to throw the discs without using the funky grooves.

Mike I hope you take this as constructive criticism, You know I have given you advise on making discs well before you started producing them, why would I stop now? :D
I have given the discs a lot of testing and my best advise for this disc would be to lose the gimmicks.
If this disc was produced using the same shape and a little firmer plastic it would be awesome!! :D

That coming from a guy who makes discs that cut you when you throw them due to the very sharp edges :o

IMO No gimmicks here!!! Forget what Dave says, of course he will bash eveything but that crap he makes(did I say that out loud, sorry about that)!!! The contours are there for a purpose, if you use them the way there are supposed to be used, I think its one of the most versitile discs I have ever thrown!!! As far as them being uncomfortable on the bottom, just switch to the other contour used for the same shot, I find this solves any problem like that. Get out there and try the Velocity and Juju for yourself!!! You will like them :D

That's not cool Dr. He wasn't really bashing the product either and your post shows just as much insane brand loyalty by calling his discs crap. At least Dave is even trying out the competition's discs; that's not always the case. Just let people throw what works for them and don't be so defensive if one person has anything but a glowing review of this disc

I think Dave Mc's post would've been better suited to a PM or email. I think it's out of place here on the public forum.

I think Dave's post is just fine here. He is a Disc Golfer just like all of us and is entitled to express his opinion just like the rest of us are. I think its awsome that he tries out the competitions discs.

That being said. I am thinking of ordering one of these just to give it a shot. It looks cool and I have never seen anything like it in the tournaments I have played in. If nothing else I will be unique :)

I thought the putter mold really flew great if you like lid-type putters. I've been looking for some light on the driver but all I'm getting is smoke and heat! :mad: :D

Step back from the dye a bit dr D-bag!.
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Its called CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, you should try it instead of your turett-syndrome- bark-like-dog, posting!

Did you even read my post closely?
You have never heard me bash any companies disc like you tried to do ours, by calling them crap!

I gave the disc a fair thorough testing and an honest opinion based on 40 throws. I actually know how to test discs by throwing a WIDE array of shots ( speeds, angles, heights etc,,,). If you feel my post was a bashing than so be it.

What makes you more of an authority on testing discs than any of the rest of us? It cant be your game, check your stats. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

My post was based on the facts from the data and my personal opinion. I gave Mike advise on plastics, durometers, specific gravities and other things about mold building, that I hope was quite helpful for him.
Hey if hes got some expert advise for me on how to make money selling discs to beginners, I'm all ears!

Youre way off base in your lash out.
I want Ching to be successful inside the game as well as outside. In my opinion this type of GIMMICK disc is for players outside the competitive game.
If its not true, then lets make a little wager as too how long it will take a player to win an event using discs like this.


Now lets see, your post was malicous and immature.
There will always be a few discs get out of the factory that have a little flash on them, but as far as the discs being crap, you must dye your discs and live in a bomb shelter.
Our Sponsored guys are winning events all over the country including lots of B tiers, several supertours, a national tour ( Bowling green) and an Amateur major ( Highbridge).
We also had 2 pro players in the top 13 and 2 more in the top 28 at this year pro worlds.
We have over 10 Sponsored Amatuers all over the country that all rank at or near the top in their regions.
So these guys are ablle to do this with crap discs huh?

NOW over to the disc wing thread :eek:

Whoa buddy.... I guess thats part of the problem with the discussion forum...You cant read sarcasm in script.

I didnt think you would take it to heart so much, didnt mean anything by it other than my personal opinion. Isnt that what this thread is about?? My opinion is just as good as anybody elses, sorry that offended you or anybody else.

Nice personal attack on my stats :D Guess its good that I dont take is to heart, and DR d-bag thats "CONSTRUCTIVE criticism" :Dalright!!! I dont think I lashed out on anyone either, maybe you should read closer...and really is it that bad that one guy that happens to dye discs doesnt personally like your discs to throw?? If they work for other players good for them, more power to em :D

No brand loyality here, I mostly throw Innova a few Discraft and the CHING discs that Holgate has been kind enough to send me. I have never personally thrown just one brand of discs at any given time.

I do have to agree with little Eric, considering you two already have an established relationship, I think it would have been better in a PM.

So, get your panties out of a bunch :D

Sorry for the thread drift :o

Back to the questions:

Holgate...are you going to make any Velocity's in a stiffer plastic, and is there a purpose you have in mind by making the plastic so flexible?? I understand the Juju in a really soft plastic just gripping to the chains, but why the Velocity??

I understand the Juju in a really soft plastic just gripping to the chains, but why the Velocity??

The Supreme mix for Velocity may be slightly softer than some prefer, however at this time we've determined no significant performance reduction for the given profile, and the grip is quite comfortable. We'll continue evaluations and make adjustments as necessary. I'd rather err on the soft side than to be peddling plastics that all but ignore PDGA rigidity requirements (ahem). After all, at this time we've only just cut the <font color="grey">1st run</font> of Supreme plastic, made in two different types too - softer for putters, and slightly more firm for drivers. I'll match quality/consistency with anyone at this phase of our growth.

As for questions regarding the integrity of Excelerator contours...well, our technology introduces an entirely new field of science that cannot be dismissed, and we have assumed responsibility to fully explore it. The prototype 'Genesis' driver might make a debut by the end of the year, presenting an alternative contour pattern for a definitive grip option and another unique DRAFT System (Dynamic Rotational Air Flow Transition). In any case, we enjoy the privelage of providing recreational players & competitors at any/all skill levels with the best tools for the job on (and off) the course.

"In my opinion this type of GIMMICK disc is for players outside the competitive game.
If its not true, then lets make a little wager as too how long it will take a player to win an event using discs like this"



I can see why you would put a wager on this as the disc is not even circulated. Lets wait till production puts a few thousand out and I'll take your bet. Also whether you are the benefactor of the bet or not it does not make the statement factual of the disc being a "gimmick"........good greif! :confused:

The putter, JUJU in supreme plastic, is too soft for putts with anything on them. I had a very hard time getting accuracy with it from more than 40 ft. And inside 40 it just feels wierd. I'm going to try one in fusion plastic, but I doubt that it will become my putter of choice. I'll stick to my Wizards, and or Challengers. Soft Wizards, and Soft Challengers are GREAT. And while they are softer discs, they don't flop around in your hand, or SAG in your hand, lol.
The Velocity is interesting, and it flew pretty well for me. I need to play a couple of rounds with it before I diss it, or not. I would agree with some of the posts above ... It's too soft. But given it's a first run, I hope they firm up the plastic a bit, might be a good disc, maybe.
I'll tell you this ... It was nothing compared to my first experiences with some other discs ... You know, the ones you throw once and then stick in the bag because you simply know you have to have them and they will ROCK.
It sucks for any disc to flop, or bend on the reach back of a shot, and both of these seem to do it a little, with the putter doing it a lot. Very weird to try an accurate upshot with the putter flexing and bending ... jesh. Just too funky.
They are "cute" though. lol
I doubt that I will put any in my bag for the USDGC ... oh wait ... I'm not that good yet, LOL!