I have not thrown the pro valk but have thrown the other 3 and would have to say that the starfire goes the farthest for me. But honestly its not much of a difference between the 3 from shot to shot.

Would just like to say that thrown on the same line the starfire will have the most d but honestly you can get the same distance out of the three that I have thrown depending on what you do with the disc

i just started throwing the valk for the past few days and its very stable but isn't as fast at the starfire for me.. the starfire rocks.. get one! :D

i think the word you were looking for was "farthest", since far implies physical distance, whereas further implies continuation (i.e. furthermore). and whereas it is sometimes difficult to determine which disc flies farther than the rest (due to thrower inconsistencies), it is much easier to find out which driver is the most consistent/reliable on the course, not taking distance into consideration. for my money, the teebird is always a good choice since you know you're not gonna lose it to an anhyzer dive like some of the others (orc/valk) if you put a little too much on it. but everyone seems to like the starfire so far, so i'd say give it a try.

your right about my grammar mistake gsw03..ooops...i changed it on the subject line, but cant figure out how to change the wording on the actual poll. o well!

Does the Pro Starfire go farther than the Champion Orc?

Oh, yeah. Much longer than the Champ Orc.

Rooster is **** right about that one...Danny,try one out(heavy)...MJ

Farthermore, there's another unemployed language arts teacher reaching out to the students of the site.

It wasn't my choice, but the distance world record holder would probably say the Valk.

That was a DX Valkyrie that set the world record. The conditions of the thread are which proline disc flies the farthest.

For me, the Proline orc (second run) is the furthest. I seem to get it out about 20 feet further than my Champ orc...

That was a DX Valkyrie that set the world record. The conditions of the thread are which proline disc flies the farthest.



Well, my point was the proline Valk. probably is closest to the disc that set the record in terms of stability. Pro Valk.s are flippier than Pro Orcs and Pro Beasts -- right?

Starfires freaking ROCK for big D.

the starfire is the shizzy my nizzy and that ain't no balizzy

I tried the Champion Starfire a couple years ago when it came out. I didn't care for it. How is the Pro different?

Kid Roc

You probably threw that first run starfire. They retooled second run champion starfire. Pro is more glide and really far! Try that! :D

I need to get one each of the following and see how they compare in an open field with limited wind:
Pro Orc
Pro Starfire
Pro Beast
Pro Valkyrie
Pro Teebird-L
Pro Teebird

I have thrown one of the earlier Pro Orcs and the new Pro Starfire. The Pro Orc threw a mile, but plastic sucked. After a couple of tree hits, I couldn't throw it anymore without it flipping all the way over and rolling. The Pro Starfire ROCKS. It is just stable enough to hold a great line and come back, but understable enough to hold a good anhyzer line if thrown correctly.

I would imagine all 6 of these discs throw very similarly, but here's the chart, from flippiest to most stable, that I imagine they'd go by (someone that's thrown them all please back me up):
Pro Beast
Pro Valkyrie
Pro Teebird-L
Pro Orc
Pro Teebird
Pro Starfire

If you have pretty good power for your drives, I don't see anyone needing more than one of these. The differences in flight are very slight it seems. Mixing your bag with more candy plastic (more high-speed stability) seems like the better way to go.

For me, the Proline orc (second run) is the furthest. I seem to get it out about 20 feet further than my Champ orc...



Again, it seems to me that the conditions and stipulations set forth by the original thread creator are to only compare between the following:

Pro Orc
Pro Starfire
Pro Beast
Pro Valkyrie

Farthermore, there's another unemployed language arts teacher reaching out to the students of the site.


"unemployed language arts teacher" = med student. i am also a student of the site, but it's difficult to learn when the grammar is such a hindrance. i'm only trying to educate America's youth /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

For me, the Proline orc (second run) is the furthest. I seem to get it out about 20 feet further than my Champ orc...



Again, it seems to me that the conditions and stipulations set forth by the original thread creator are to only compare between the following:

Pro Orc
Pro Starfire
Pro Beast
Pro Valkyrie



Ok... I'll restate...

I've thrown the Pro Starfire, Pro Valk, Pro Beast.

None have flown farther than my Champ Orc.

My pro orc fly's 20 feet further than my champ.

Tada.

Erick

Farthermore, there's another unemployed language arts teacher reaching out to the students of the site.


"unemployed language arts teacher" = med student. i am also a student of the site, but it's difficult to learn when the grammar is such a hindrance. i'm only trying to educate America's youth /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



I should of/have put a smilie/smily face/fase in there/they're/their :D
I heard Rice was an awesome med school

I would imagine all 6 of these discs throw very similarly, but here's the chart, from flippiest to most stable, that I imagine they'd go by (someone that's thrown them all please back me up):
Pro Beast
Pro Valkyrie
Pro Teebird-L
Pro Orc
Pro Teebird
Pro Starfire

If you have pretty good power for your drives, I don't see anyone needing more than one of these. The differences in flight are very slight it seems. Mixing your bag with more candy plastic (more high-speed stability) seems like the better way to go.



I have thrown all of these discs and IMO i think your chart should be this:
Pro Orc (flippiest)
Pro Teebird-L
Pro Valk
Pro Teebird
Pro Starfire
Pro Beast (most stable)

The Pro Orcs have such afwul duribility.
The Pro Starfire, Valk, and Teebird-L i flipped on my first drive with each.
The Pro Beast i get the best and most consistant results with. (420'+)

I carry 3 of the new Pro Line discs.
-Pro Beast (Open field D)
-Pro Teebird-L (Perfect natural turnover disc)
-Pro Valk (Slight turnover disc)

All great D.

Loved the Pro Beast and Pro Teebird in Bowling Green.

The Pro Orcs have such afwul duribility.



you must have the first run then before more candy plastic was added into the mix -- making them more durable and more stable.

I should of/have put a smilie/smily face/fase in there/they're/their
I heard Rice was an awesome med school


well then you must have gotten the wrong information. the only two medical schools in houston are baylor and the university of texas (the one i'm at). we are right across the street from rice, though, so i could easily see where one might get confused. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif. by far the best thing about our school is the fact that there's a disc golf course (9 holes) across the street, seriously no more than 100 meters from our front door :D. it's just a shame i use it so infrequently these days.

I thought Baylor was in Waco and U of T in Austin.

STARFIRE! FER SURE DUDE! :D

I thought Baylor was in Waco and U of T in Austin.

UT has many campuses!! The med school being in Galveston!! Austin is by far the biggest and best !! that is where i am!! haha

UT has many campuses!! The med school being in Galveston!! Austin is by far the biggest and best !! that is where i am!! haha



They are the best at getting they're arse handed to them from the SOONERS! :D

I thought Baylor was in Waco and U of T in Austin.


i think you forgot that this is texas and we do things a little funny sometimes. UT-Austin is, in fact, in Austin, but it is only an undergraduate and graduate school with no medical school facilities (mostly because Austin is a very desirable place to live and there is no shortage of health care providers, nor will there be for the foreseeable future). Baylor University, likewise, does not have a medical school in Waco, but there are some sweet disc golf courses that would make it very easy to live near. UT has medical schools in San Antonio, Houson and Dallas/Fort Worth, and i think there's talk of one in the rio grande valley or some other underserved area soon. to make things easier, tech and a&m both have med schools in their respective cities, though :D.

oh yeah, and there's UTMB in galveston, but they're kinda step-children, so are often forgotten. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

UT has many campuses!! The med school being in Galveston!! Austin is by far the biggest and best !! that is where i am!! haha



They are the best at getting they're arse handed to them from the SOONERS! :D



No comment!! And the freakin texas players still migrate north!! **** traders!! Props to stoops for building a successful texas program north of the border!! :D

How good/bad are the latest batches of Pro plastic. On a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is DX, 5 is KC or X (Discraft), 9 is Champion, and 10 is CE or Z, where does Pro fall?

Wow! So much information that is correct and incorrect. A few more tidbits: The course near Baylor College of Medicine and UT Medical is not associated with either. While Rice does not have a medical school, they do have a nine-hole pitch and putt course. :D Baylor College of Medicine has nothing to do with Baylor in Waco. One forbids the teaching of evolution while the other has the concept integrated into its curriculum. I'll let you guess which is which.

BTW - Rice has an expedited premed program that allows exceptional students to be fast-tracked into Baylor College of Medicine.

If you're not bored yet... you should be.

The course near Baylor College of Medicine and UT Medical is not associated with either.


i never said this. i simply stated that there IS a course across the street from our school. rice actually has a class in its curriculum that teaches disc golf, and i think that's awesome. why couldn't a&m have had the same thing?

Baylor College of Medicine has nothing to do with Baylor in Waco.


i never said this either, but i didn't know there was a difference, so it's a cool bit of information. :)

Rice has an expedited premed program that allows exceptional students to be fast-tracked into Baylor College of Medicine.


there are several other universities that have the same sort of program. i know at least a&m does, which kind of sucks, considering their class size is the smallest in the nation (and is made even smaller when several of the spots are reserved for "gifted" high schoolers). :confused:

How good/bad are the latest batches of Pro plastic. On a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is DX, 5 is KC or X (Discraft), 9 is Champion, and 10 is CE or Z, where does Pro fall?





IMO, it would rank around a 5.

Hey gsw,

didn't mean to imply you had said those things, sorry I wasn't clearer. I was just throwing out tidbits and fun/boring factoids. I've been told that the separation between the Baylors has to do with the evolution issue but that is at least thrid hand gossip...

I don't mean to be rude or anything ... but ... You guys talking about your schools, bla bla bla ... doen't have anything to do with this thread, which is the only thing I'm interested in reading when I check in to it ... So, could you please take your conversation to a different thread, or perhaps you could message each other to discuss it?
No hard feelings ... It just doesn't have anything to do with the topic and makes it hard to follow the topic.

So ... back to proline discs please.

Pro Starfire for sure, there is no doubt about it!!

i don't like pro line discs, except for the pro aviar, which is amazingly overstable.

don't worry about the mix-up, i wasn't even sure if you were talking about my responses in particular, so i just wanted to clarify what i had said. do you live in houston, and if not, why do you know so much about the schools? if you live nearby, maybe we could go throw sometime.

if i was going to get a new pro disc, it'd be the pro starfire, since i've never thrown one and people have likened them to a teebird, which would be great.
there you go, boneman, on-topic discussion before and after what i really wanted to talk about, does that make your reading any easier? i hope i never inconvenience you again, or else you and discmandan might form a coalition against me, and that would surely make me sad. :(

Sorry, Boneman. The reason I was talking about college was because I have only thrown a pro-line orc and it flipped like a gymnast into the wind and into the lake.

I definitely want to get a pro-line valk.

And you think the Valk won't flip faster?

I'll go with the pro orc. Incredible glide and straighter than the champion orc. Never thrown the starfire. The beast is very good, but not longer than the champ beast.

CE plastic is only good for one thing...selling on ebay.

Worth much more in cash than in the bag.

I won't be throwing the valk on that mean hole that sucked up my orc. I prefer them for distance.

I got a Pro Starfire this weekend and let me tell you it goes really far. I was getting this one at least 450' out there every time. I really like it.

I picked up a Pro Starfire and a Pro Orc this week and threw each of them about a half dozen times in a field. Same weights. (167g)

The Starfire generally turned a little more than the Orc, but other than that, their distances were about the same. The Starfire had less resistance to turn and did more of the reverse 'S' in the air, but both discs pretty much ended up about the same distance.

Pro Starfires are definitelly longer. Super flippy right out the box. Great for down wind shots for max D. Don't plan on controlling it in tight fairways if your throwing for D though, might as well throw the ROC.

Ok, maybe a bit off topic since I have not tested the Pro Valk yet, and the Teebird was not in the original poll i believe. But maybe this is interesting for some of you anyway:

Had my first distance practise session for the season recently, and was very anxious to give the new Pro Starfires and Pro Orcs a thorough test. So i took 5 of each model, plus 5 KC Pro 9x Teebirds (Which has been my distance disc of choice since they came out) to an open field (all discs 169-172g). I performed 4 sets of 3x5 discs (i.e. 60 full power throws in total, and yes my shoulder was pretty sore the next day... ;) ). I used a laser range finder to measure the distance of each throw.

In the stats enclosed below, I did not enter the shortest of each disc model in each set, since I had a lot of really bad throws turning over way early and thought that those would just mess up the statistics. (Pretty sure I will improve the average when getting my form down properly after some more practise.) The excel snapshot should pretty much speak for itself, feel free to comment or ask questions should you find it interesting. All throws at sea level on flat open ground, just reaching for max D. So; throws generally a bit higher, in a helix glide line, rather than your standard lower and straighter golf line drive.

Short summary: Best average distance award goes to the Starfire, but it was surprisingly close to the TB and Orc averages (only differed 8ft between best and worst avg.). Longest throw of the day (146m/479ft) with a Pro Orc. Longest throw in each set earned 2 Orc wins, and 1 each for TB and SF. Best general results in the first full power set. Probably due to the best wind, and less fatigue.

The Teebirds have to be trown higher than Starfires to get max D. The Orcs got good results both with a lower, more line drive style flight path, and with a very high turnover line into the downward helix and glide phase. Starfires worked best for me with a medium height turnover and helix line.So of course which disc flies the furthest for each player also has a lot to do with your personal style of throw.

http://hem.bredband.net/b227396/transfer/distanceStatsScreenshot.gif

Wow...and I thought I had too much time...but interesting I will add.

Thanks for the excellent chart! What did you notice about the Pro Starfire vs. the Pro Orc in terms of the way they finished? I have only thrown the Pro Starfire a few times, but I found mine flipped as much or more than the Orc during the high-speed turn portion of the throw, and that while the Orcs faded back left at the end, the Starfire would continue off fairway to the right into some trees. (Hole 1 at Idlewild which is 600 + feet). I just bought two more Starfires and while my first is 175g, these two are 171g. Can't wait to learn what they will do for me and how to get the most out of them...

I have been throwing both the Pro Orc and Starfire, and both are long flyers; however, I find that I get a little more distance from the Orc. Not talking much differnce though, maybe 20 to 25 feet, and I am more familiar with the Orc. I have found the Orc to be more flippy, but the Starfire seems to be more sensitive to release angle. There seems to be a fairly narrow margin from flippy to hyzer.

I plan on carrying both until I really figure the Starfire out.

That's interesting robj. I found my Orcs way more high speed understable than the Starfires. (Additional info: I have three first run Pro Orcs in the softer plastic, and two of the second run with more candy in the mix. Did not notice much difference in flight between the two.)

The Orcs worked great in a hyzer flip line, and also got really good D when thrown very high, left of the wind, letting them turn over into the downward downwind part of the flight trajectory (where they semed to actually gain some speed) and then eventually fading into the finishing glide. But as I said, in this style of throw I had to throw them quite high to give them enough time to slow down and get the fading glide for extra D before hitting the ground. I.e. this is a pure distance throw, which require the correct wind and a lot of space for the wide S-curve, so probably not as useful on the golf course.

Regarding the Starfires, I got the best results with throwing them almost flat, letting them turn over some (They seem to hold a slight right turn line very very long) and then at the end slowly fading back to complete a medium height, "shallow", S-curve. I definitely share your observation that the Orcs have a more pronounced fade than the Starfires.

As (usually... :confused:) I also found some differences between discs of the same model. My "distance"-Starfires where all blue, 170-171g. Yesterday I also added a Yellow 173g SF to the golf bag for a couple of rounds, and this one was slightly more overstable than the lighter blue ones. Too much, I think, to be explained by the weight difference alone. Upon close examination my blue ones seems just a tad flatter than the yellow SF, but that was the only difference I could really spot.