What about this disc? Anybody have any info about this new driver? How is it flying? Release date?

No info about this disc? It has been approved since end of march, look here. Houck, Duvall, Dave, any info?
http://www.wfdf.org/index.php?page=rules/rules_approved_discs.htm

I don't think it has been released yet. It's not listed on Innova's east and west coast stock at a glance.

It's not on this list.
PDGA Approved Disc and Targets (with full technical specs) (http://www.pdga.com/documents/tech_standards/PDGA_approved_discs_and_targets.pdf)

That PDGA list is from October 7, so it wouldn't have newly approved discs on it. It still doesn't have the Sidewinder, for example.

The Wfdf list is more or less updated the same day when the discs get approved.
I�m curious about the disc, funny there have not been any prototypes around....

The disc was officially released last friday and they had them at World Doubles. I threw one and it was very TLish. Good mix of speed and glide. Definetly a good disc.

What does it look like i.e profile. Does it hive a wide rim or is it a sister to the JLS/ LS discs.

Dave said its in the Sidewinder family. Roc, does it turn late like SW? pro plastic is flippier, or should i say glidier? so it might turn earlier. How far does it go. How would u rate it compared to TL?, compared to SW? I think if its between the two, I won't use it as I use both of those molds.

I got one this weekend. It feels quite similar to an archangel. And from watching people throw it, I'd say it flies like one too. Good chance it is just an archangel mold with millenium plastic blend.

Question...Did you talk to John Houck and ask him if it is an Archangel? If you did then you would know that it is not and that it is a new mold delevoped for Millennium, hence the marking of G4 on the underside instead of Orion. It is in the Millennium plastic not the Quatum plastic yet, but hopefully will be.

If you think that it is an Archangel then you need to go out an throw it, it flies nothing like one. It is very controlled and predictable.

By the way, the first "Orion Ace' was thrown this weekend at Worlds Doubles by Richard Mitchel. Congrats Richard.

They were testing it out at the Pro World Dubs and the pros liked it then :cool:

It flies like a longer CE-JLS. Very predictable. Not really flippy, but very stable(flat stable). It will hold an ani line with enough snap, and will hold a hyzer line, but really likes to fly low and flat.

The feel is a lot like the QJLS or CE-JLS with a little wider rim. The 2 I was throwing at World Doubles for 2 days (mesquites, lots of rocks, trees, cactus) do not show any real wear, and barely any surface scratches.

It is a faster, longer member of the JLS family.

Sounds nice, any place online have them listed yet? I quick search didn't turn up anything for me.

As of last weekend, the only place that had them was Circle R 2.

They should start filtering out over the next few weeks. Ask your normal supplier for them and maybe they'll get there quicker.

It's great to see the reception this disc is getting. It looks like our patience may have paid off.

We're going to get some more stamped ASAP with a temporary stamp, so if we can, we'll have them in dealers' hands by the end of the month.

As the coach said, this is a Millennium-exclusive mold. Thanks, as always, to Dave for delivering another straight and predictable disc. What a great complement to the Polaris LS and the JLS.

FWIW, I threw one of these in sandals, fresh outta the truck Friday night on the practice field behind the lodge. First time I'd cranked a drive in months.

Even with a poor, nose up release, the disc went straight and even my weenie arm threw it quite far. Far enough that Richard Mitchell said, "Even Atwood can do it."

:)

Good job JH.

Thats your entire problem.................................

Listening to Mitchell. :o

I bought four in San Saba and they are now my official driver. Good by Orcs hello Orion. These baby's are sweeeeet.

I will say that everyone I saw that had one of these discs was throwing them. This is fairly amazing since the discs were first available Friday afternoon before a World Championship on Saturday and most players will not throw new plastic in a tournament until they get a chance to "learn" the new disc.

I want one!! Anybody know where to get one yet??

San Saba.

circle r wimberly!!!

They said they will be generally available in a couple of weeks.

do they have online ordering? or is there a number to call for mail order?

You can contact them through http://www.circularproductions.com, but they are more of a wholesaler. You need to make sure your local TD is aware that they need to order some of these for your next tournament.

I throw the test run early this year and enjoyed it.
I now have thrown the the production disc and this thing BOOMS.
GREAT GLIDE and PROdictable.Not sure of the durability yet. I need hit some trees to speak to that issue.
I sure like how that plastic feels in the hand

Durability is very good. I was throwing 2 around San Saba in the rocks and mesquite, and they both look brand new. One did catch a few sharp rocks, and has minor nicks that can barely be felt, but both look new.

good to hear.....cause as good as I am I don't hit trees..... :D

It wasn't the trees up there I was so worried about, it was the rocks. :cool:

Thats your entire problem.................................

Listening to Mitchell. :o



AMEN! :D

anybody heard when this disc will be released to retailers?

I heard in a few weeks....
This disc is fast and I recommend everyone givin it a toss.

WHERE CAN I GET ONE?!?!?!

I just received the Wrightlife catalog, but it is not listed in the online store http://www.wrightlife.com/

WHERE CAN I GET ONE?!?!?!

Innova East got the Orions in today.

Mike Barnett at sunkingdiscs will have them on Friday, May 13th. Orders placed before Friday are $1 off.
sunkingdiscs.com (http://sunkingdiscs.com)

Does it Fly like a JLS ?

To me, it is between a JLS and a TL (if that makes any sense). /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

To me, it is between a JLS and a TL (if that makes any sense).



I never got my TL's to fly that far or that straight. :D:D


Yes, it flies like a JLS, just farther. Whatever line I put it on, when I put it on the right line, it stays on that line. If you want it to stay straight, then release it flat and it will stay straight. If you want it to hyzer, then release it with hyzer. If you want it to anny, then release it with an anhyzer release and it will turn that corner you have always wanted to, but never could reach.

This disc will do whatever you want it to. :D

Except go in the **** basket... :D

Except go in the **** basket...



Well, considering that the very first ones showed up in a box at the Pro World Doubles on Friday night and an ace was hit with one the next day...I would say that they do go in the '**** basket'. :D:D Can any other disc say that.


By the way, the first "Orion Ace' was thrown this weekend at Worlds Doubles by Richard Mitchel. Congrats Richard.

what kind of plastic is it offered in, only the dx type plastic????

It is the MILLENNIUM plastic. Way better than the DX. It is not offered in the Q plastic yet. If you have a JLS or an LS then it is that plastic, but improved.

I have hit trees and other objects with it and it still has its original shape. It takes a beating and keeps on flying. :D

Mine have been through several rounds in the San Saba rocks, and trees around here and they still look new. One little nick where one hit a basket is the only wear either one is showing.

If you have thrown the first run CE-JLS, this is very much like a new one of those, just much longer.

Just curious, but what weights in this disc do you guys have? I was checking out some pre-orders on sunking discs, and they go all the way up to 180gm, which seems awfully heavy for a driver.

Chris

166 thru 175. I didn't see any above 175 at Circle R 2.

I was very surprised to see the light weights weren't much different in stability than the heavier weights. There was a little difference going into a head wind, but not a dramatic difference.

The lowest weights I have seen are 155.

They are really sick. Cant wait till the Q plastic.

What are people using these for - accuracy or distance? Do you throw them for deuces or just to get extra D on a par four hole? Can anybody compare the flight path and distance achieved with an Orion as compared to that of an Orc or Pro Starfire?

Straight line drive distance is about the same, but the Orion will hold a flatter, lower line with less effort. It's great for those 350ish tunnel shots where the Orcs would hit the ceiling sometimes or fade out too early.

I got my shipping confirmation email today ... can't wait to give these things a try!!

I got one last night and cannot tell the difference between the orion and the pro starfire. Rim configuration and width seem to be exactly the same. The plastic appears to be the same Pro/Champion blend. This would be OK by me, since I like the pro-SFs. Going to go test throw them in a bit.

I got one last night and cannot tell the difference between the orion and the pro starfire. Rim configuration and width seem to be exactly the same. The plastic appears to be the same Pro/Champion blend. This would be OK by me, since I like the pro-SFs. Going to go test throw them in a bit.



Now that would be something. I really like the Pro Starfire's flight path and extra distance I can achieve with it, and if the Orion flies the same but in a slightly more durable plastic, I would be very interested.

The Orion plastic is much more durable than any of th recent Pro-line stuff I've thrown lately. I haven't tried the latest runs though.

I was wrong, the Orion has a slightly different rim than the Starfire. The Orion is about .5mm narrower and has a very small rounded bead on the bottom, much like the Sidewinder. I found the flight to be nearly the same as the starfire (very straight high speed portion, great glide, a good bit of fade), but will have to wait for more test throws.

I'm pretty sure that the plastic in recent Millenium runs is the same pro/candy blend that Pro-line discs are made from, so I wouldn't expect any better or worse durability. FWIW I think the Pro-line discs hold their own in heavily wooded courses; they don't do so well vs. rocks & pavement, however.

I've only had a few throws with the Orion, but so far it seems like it might be a little more predictable than the Pro Starfire. For me, the Pro Starfire is very hit or miss. When thrown correctly, it flies very far. However, I've had enough bad throws with it (either too nose-up or over-torqued) that I'm not totally confident with it yet.

I've thrown the Orion about 10 or 15 times and was very pleased with the results. Good mix of speed, glide and stability. Stable, but not overstable. I think of it as a longer TL.

/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Maybe this is the "TLS" that Dave Dunipace wrote 6 month ago or so... ;)

I haven't seen this run of Orions nor the latest run of Pro Starfires. I know that the two Orions I have been throwing for the past month show virtually no wear and the pro Orc I threw for 1 week did.

I just threw my orion I got in a players package from a tournament a week ago.

Very straight distance disc. It held a mild 8-10mph headwind really well, and only faded out when I got the nose up. A lot of high speed turn, I had to release it with hyzer to get it to flip flat and not turn over too much.

The plastic is fairly nice, Pro/Candish. But as far as me putting it in my bag it will not happen. The plastic is not durable enough for the speed I throw. One tree and it is over for that disc.

But overall a great distance disc for a medium speed thrower. A local Adv Woman cracked 300ft with hers today. I liken it to a stable version of the Sidewinder.

Hit my first tree at full speed 20' off the tee today.

The disc did taco a little bit, but was quickly back in shape and flying well the rest of the day. There are only a couple of nicks on the edge to show that it hit anything.

Yes it does feel a little pro candy-ish.

Hit my first tree at full speed 20' off the tee today.

The disc did taco a little bit, but was quickly back in shape and flying well the rest of the day. There are only a couple of nicks on the edge to show that it hit anything.

Yes it does feel a little pro candy-ish.



Sounds like the Orion plastic is fairly resilient if it held up to a taco 20' from the tee. I don't think the Pro Starfire would hold up to that.

This Disc is Awsome it improve my round by 6 strokes no lie :DI got 3 of them in payout after play my first tournement with them :D

I received two 168's and I have thrown them about 10 times each. Although they are a fast, long range driver, I find they feel a little beefier in the hand. The rim doesn't feel as 'saw-blade' thin as some of the recent long range drivers to hit the market. That being said, I really like the feel of this disc! They are more controllable out of the box than most drivers I have tried recently. I'm anxious to get a session in an open field to compare distance to the Pro Starfire and dx Orc's...

I heard all the Top Pro's throw them :) ;) :DJ/K

Okay I just got back from doing some field testing on this disc, so I feel compelled to weigh in.

I threw two Orions (both 170g) along with my champ Orc, pro starfire, z-flash and z-pred. I found the Orions to be surprisingly flippy. Sure they go reasonbly straight with a hyzer release at about 75% power, but if you "jump on them" they turn pretty significantly. I actually think my jls 1.9 is a little more stable than the Orion. As far as distance goes I was consistently throwing my Orc 40-70 feet further than the Orions. The more I throw other drivers the more I like my Orc (for distance and controllable D).

I said before, they aren't an open field distance disc, they are a straight to slight ani, low under the trees, tunnel shot disc. Great at 70%-90% power when you have to hold a straight line almost all the way to the ground at over 300'.

It doesn't have to be thrown at full power to hold a straight line and still go a long way like other long distance drivers.

This Disc is Awsome it improve my round by 6 strokes no lie :DI got 3 of them in payout after play my first tournement with them :D



6 strokes? David, is that really true?

If so, please e-mail me and tell me more: jrhouck@centex.net

They're out there now. Great to see the enthusiastic response we're getting.

Thanks,
John

hmmmm, Gimp got any of these to try out? John H. will these be avail. at Academy?

lots of them on e-bay now for around 10 dollars :Dget two you'll be glad you did :D

never used ebay.

Gimp should have some :D

John,

Any idea when the Orion will be released in Q plastic? I really like the feel and flight of this disc, but I am used to premium plastic. This disc seems perfect to contour the wooded fairways of my home courses, I just need plastic that can hold up to it. I don't want my Orion broken in at all, its perfect the way it is!

Did my first field testing with the Orion yesterday. I generally throw light plastic in my drivers and these were no exception, two at 158g and one at 156g. Also throwing for comparison 156g and 158g Champ Orcs. Raw distances were pretty much interchangeable with long throws being pretty much equally split between Orcs and Orions in probably +/- a hundred throws. How they got to those distances was dramatically different however. The Orc is much faster out of the hand with less glide. The Orion comes out of the hand actually feeling a bit sluggish, but at the point you would expect it to start tailing out it just glides and glides and glides. This gliding effect is particularly noticeable on low rips. I have to go with the Duke on this one. Time will tell but this disc should be great for "through the tunnel shots". Would love to be able to do a direct comparison with Pro Starfires of the same weight, but they are not yet available. All the Starfires I have thrown have been in the mid to upper 160's and these Orions are most definitely more understable than those Starfires. Maybe/probably just a function of the 10g difference in weight. Awesome, awesome gliding disc. Just a caveat though - longest throw of the session went to a 159g Sidewinder released with a lot of hyzer into a quartering headwind. A freakishly long shot, for me, easily 40-50 feet longer than the Orcs and Orions. But getting the appropriate amount of hyzer release on a Sidewinder consistently................

I'm finding the same results. Distance is pretty much equal to my dx Orcs, but the Orion holds it's intended line better. I threw some Orions on the course at Seneca and I was hitting the tight alleys better than with my Orcs. I still love the grippiness of the dx Orcs, but I prefer the flight path of the Orion. Also, the Orions held better into a headwind than my dx Orcs - this kind of suprised me...

Orion = Stable Sidewinder

The molds are nearly identical with the Orion wing being slightly more concave. Speed and glide are nearly identical, as well as low speed fade. I imagine if I keep throwing my Orion on tight, wooded holes, it will be a Sidewinder soon! Problem is, I already have plenty of Sidewinders. I need a Q-rion! Right now a flat throw with the Orion flies the same as my Sidewinder thrown about 25 degrees hyzer.

Lost Orion up for grabs.

Lost at Porter.

Orange 170ish. It was in the deep water to the right of 14's basket before the last 2 heavy rains. There's also a DX ROC under a tree on the far bank past 8's basket.

Just played our mini last night with the Orion. I usally shot a +2 to +4, but last night with my Orion in my hand I shot a -2 :Dthe best I have every done on that course was even but not no more :D:D:D:D:D

boom!

Just played our mini last night with the Orion. I usally shot a +2 to +4, but last night with my Orion in my hand I shot a -2 :Dthe best I have every done on that course was even but not no more :D:D:D:D:D



I'm not surprised to hear something like this at all. If you play on courses that require distance & accuracy, the Orion will be an asset to your game. I find it to be controllable like a fairway driver (Gazelle, Leopard, JLS), but gives you the added distance of a long range driver.

Of course, this is just my opinion ;)

I'd say it was confidence made you play better but if you had confidence you wouldn't play rec.

I'm not surprised to hear something like this at all. If you play on courses that require distance & accuracy, the Orion will be an asset to your game. I find it to be controllable like a fairway driver (Gazelle, Leopard, JLS), but gives you the added distance of a long range driver.

Of course, this is just my opinion ;)



For me, this is a contradiction - discs seem to be 'built' either for accuracy or for distance. When I throw my Champion Firebird, it's the most predictable shot in my bag, but I can't throw it very far. When I toss my Pro Starfire, I'll achieve my longest possible throws, but it may fly mostly straight, or flip over and carry a long turnover. I'm dubious of discs that people claim to be both for accuracy AND distance - I find they usually fall into one category or the other.

That is because most long distance drivers depend the speed overpowering the stability of the disc to acheive a long glide. The Orion does not have a large differential between highspeed and lowspeed stability, but still acheives good glide. It can be thrown at less than full power and still hold a flat line. You don't have to overpower it to get good distance. This also improves it's ability to hold the line it is throw on. It will give you more confidence, and give you really tight lines with good glide. It is not a max "pure distance" driver, but it is a near max "disc golf distance" driver. I know that there are holes I can reach easily with this disc that were reachable before with long distance drivers, but I can throw much more conservative lines with less chance of hitting trees with the Orion.

does anyone know if they plan to make the Orion in Q plastic :confused: :D