I played Ultimate for about 6 years before taking up DG about 4 years ago. Last season was the first season I hadn't played any Ultimate at all, and I had my best golf results.
Over this winter I've been playing Ultimate once a week for fitness, but my golf game has (despite practice) slipped a bit off the pace again.

Anyone else have any experience of this, or is it just coincidence?

sure does. if you're playing ultimate, you're not playing frolf.

I've just about given up Ultimate for Golf, but I found it didn't completely interfere with my game. In fact, the creativity of shots--hammers, thumbers, stretched-out back/forehands--in Ultimate has helped. Plus, the spin required to huck an Ultrastar has translated into more spin in my Golf throwing.

Where it did hinder was learning to throw and follow through with the legs. It took me awhile to get used to throwing and not stopping (to avoid hitting the defender or travelling).

sure does. if you're playing ultimate, you're not playing frolf.



If your calling it frolf then your must not be a true DISC GOLFER!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

sure does. if you're playing ultimate, you're not playing frolf.



If your calling it frolf then your must not be a true DISC GOLFER!!!!!!!!!! :mad:



you don't get it. our sport would be called frolf but www.pfa.org (http://www.pfa.org) was already taken, so our founding members chose www.pdga.com (http://www.pdga.com)

didn't you know?

Do you really belive that or are you just on alot of drugs??? frolf is the worst word on the planet!!! I dont frolf i play Disc Golf :mad:

you're really playing frolf. either you don't believe it, or you are in denial (http://www.mbarron.net/Nile/Map.jpg) .

I've just about given up Ultimate for Golf, but I found it didn't completely interfere with my game. In fact, the creativity of shots--hammers, thumbers, stretched-out back/forehands--in Ultimate has helped. Plus, the spin required to huck an Ultrastar has translated into more spin in my Golf throwing.

Where it did hinder was learning to throw and follow through with the legs. It took me awhile to get used to throwing and not stopping (to avoid hitting the defender or travelling).



That's not quite what I meant... Ultimate definitely helped me to pick up golf faster, and I have a load of shots from Ultimate that most golfers don't use often that I'm really comfortable with.
What it is is that I feel like actually playing Ultimate once a week is messing with my muscle-memory, like I catch myself throwing with too much hyzer. It also seems to take the edge off my putting accuracy (which, believe me, doesn't have much to lose!).

you're really playing frolf. either you don't believe it, or you are in denial (http://www.mbarron.net/Nile/Map.jpg) .



You mean on denial. In denial, Mills' last post would have read, "blub, blub, blub, 550', blub, blub..." :)

he's my favorite frolfer.

Mills' last post would have read, "blub, blub, blub, 550', blub, blub..." :)



Nope it read:

*** You are ignoring this user ***



Now enough of the thread drift... :p

YAY!!!!!!!!!! Someone I could care less about is ignoring me. My life is finally complete :D

Back to your Ultimate thread

That's not quite what I meant... Ultimate definitely helped me to pick up golf faster, and I have a load of shots from Ultimate that most golfers don't use often that I'm really comfortable with.
What it is is that I feel like actually playing Ultimate once a week is messing with my muscle-memory, like I catch myself throwing with too much hyzer. It also seems to take the edge off my putting accuracy (which, believe me, doesn't have much to lose!).



Ah, I experienced that. I found myself having more trouble controlling the disc when warming up for Ultimate and then having trouble throwing flat early in a golf round. It's even more fun to play both on the same night, Golf then Ultimate.

I would honestly say that Ultimate helped me learn golf faster then most players who never played ultimate extensively. I played ultimate for 9 years before I picked up a golf disc. The main aspects I learned from ultimate was Sidearms and hammers, but most importantly I learned how flying discs behaved in the wind. My ultimate team and I "invented" a game played in a gymnasium which is a combination of DDC and GUTS. Played with a Whamo 145g disc, it taught me control at high speeds.

I argue that any disc sport helps your golf game, you just need to remember the differences in the discs before you throw or that lid will become an unwanted roller.

Hi Bruce,

Good question! If muscle memory is a problem, one solution might be to throw less overstable discs with hyzer. Your throwing motion should then be similar to that used for a good Ultimate throw. MDR_3000 was the 2005 Am World distance champ, and he posts on this site from time to time. He also has a background in ultimate, so I would be curious to read his thoughts.

If putting continues to be a problem, perhaps putting for 15 minutes each day will help. If you are simply trying to feel comfortable with your putting motion, you don't even need to throw at a basket; an old broom stick covered with electrical tape will suffice.

Oh yeah, "frolf" sounds way cooler than "disk golf" [sic]. But don't listen to me, I still say "frisbee."

The problem is that "nose up" is the best throw when the intention is to throw a lid so that someone else can catch it. When the intent is to get the most distance out of a golf drive, "nose up" is one of the worst things you can do.

So playing penUltimate and practicing that nose-up lid delivery could very well mess up your golf stroke. But the health benefits of ulty and the cardio work, if you can keep from puking, should outweigh the bad effect on your golf game. :)

how about ddc? I love to play, when I can and I think it helps me control a disc

how about ddc? I love to play, when I can and I think it helps me control a disc


That game looks like a lot of fun, never played or seen it played, and not sure if I would be any good. It did look like a blast though. :D

the original name was frisbee golf but www.pfga.com (http://www.pfga.com) was taken

I don't know if it messes with my game but lately we have been plaing ultimate at school. It is great that I can throw it low and straight or 300' while the othe guys "spray and pray". :D:D

You go to school? ;)

In between playing golf and being on the board. :D:D

In between playing golf and being on the board. :D:D


Good to see you got your priorities right, Scoot. Disc Golf first... everything else can fight for number 2. :D

Hell YES ultimate messes up your golf game. When you first pick up a Valk or a TeeBird, you'll be able to throw an Ultra-Star farther than any driver and it will become really frustrating to watch other dudes huck those things out there 200 more feet than you can. Eventually, if you play golf and not ultimate for a few months, you'll really get your groove on and pick up the throwing technique A LOT faster than someone with no frisbee experience at all. The trick is, you just pretend like you're throwing an Ultra-Star as hard as you can into the ground.

Then, one day, you go back to play some ultimate when everybody comes home from college for the summer and your backhand sucks BAD but your forehand is exactly the same as it was the day you stopped playing ultimate. You're turning that Ultra-Star over and missing everything wide right. Then you figure out that if you give the Ultra-Star some hyzer on the release, it's flying right again. The more you switch between, the easier it gets. Eventually your body learns that there's two completely different sports at play.

That's how it went for me. A few tips:
+ Throw overstable drivers with beefy rims. I think this helps your body distinguish between the two motions easier and you'll probably come in with the snap to start turning those bad boys over after you learn the form. It's no surprise that the biggest arms from my Ultimate friends are also the biggest arms of my golf friends.
+ Start off throwing understable plastic. I didn't do this. This was a mistake. We were all mystified by why we couldn't throw my friend's Banshee without anhyzer release at almost verticle. Try a Stingray as your driver until you start turning it over every time and work your way up. You'll be making those Orcs go right in no time.
+ This is the big one, and I can't stress this one enough: putt with an understable disc. You already know how to throw it with deadly accuracy. It's called an Ultra-Star. But the dang thing won't fit into basket right, it's too big and it bounces out. So your first putter should be one of these (in order of worst to best option):
Innova Polecat
Discraft Putt'R
Lightning The Upshot
The Super Puppy (This thing is hard to find, the dude rarely makes them, but this one is the best I think. I just cracked mine today in fact and I almost cried.)
So you get yourself one of these and you hold it up next to your Ultimate disc. Holy smokes! It looks like a smaller Ultra-Star. Now you have a putter that will glide like crazy, will fly straight for you with all the shots you already have in your arsenal and, most importantly as you're learning I think, will drop flat and stay. That way, when you miss the putts that everyone boners at the beginning you're not just as far away from the hole as you were with your first putt. This reduces frustration a lot. You're just playing short game with your handlers now, only they're not moving targets! How easy is that? :D
+ Last one: Take time with your drives and hurry your putts. Throwing a drive is just different than a monster pull on the field. Think through the steps and remember to keep the nose down! Hurry the putts so you don't overthink it and so you use the skills you already have. Since you're using an Ultra-Star-esque putter thanks to my previous tips, you're using muscle memory from your Ultimate career. When was the last time you had all the time in the world without a mark trying to D your throwing lane? At the same time, the target won't layout for your errant toss so you have to be precise, so here's the top pro tip to pay attention to: focus on one link of the chain you want to hit as you're picking up and casually making the TD pass. It's like that game winning easy toss from 5 feet out of the endzone. It's cake, but you're 100% focussed on your teammate's hands so you're SURE you don't mess it up. Do that to that link on the chain you want to hit and you can't go wrong.

One thing that's really tight about coming from an Ultimate background is that you can walk onto a field and chuck a putter about 250 ft. With a little practice, you can throw a Magnet or an Aviar out beyond 300 ft. which can save you some money on those precious Rocs that everyone swears by.

So in short, yes ultimate will screw up your game for awhile, but it also has some awesome perks too.

Cheers,
The Chuggernaut

I found it very difficult to go from Ultimate to Disc golf. I played in the Austin regionals last year (and won it) then drove straight to the USDGC on Tuesday. Talk about making a tough transition :(. I love both though, so I hope to be able to compete at both the National Ultimate level and USDGC. It just basically means that I will never win the USDGC, and maybe not nationals Ultimate either.

Discraftpro

How far can good ultimate players throw an ultrastar? Backhand and Forehand.

I'm a DG'er who has played ultimate casually. Just playing it once in a while greatly improved my short range forehand.

How far can good ultimate players throw an ultrastar? Backhand and Forehand.
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While playing ultimate or just throwing around on a field?

field

My golf game did more to mess up my ultimate game. I couldn't pull off an ultrastar without rolling it for half the game.

in a field I can throw an ultrastar close to 100yds backhand and maybe 60-70 yards forehand and I consider myself an average (competitive) ultimate player.

And i gues i might as well answer the original question while I'm at it. Ultimate has not messed up my golf game. It helped it a lot. Because of ultimate I can throw a forehand pretty well, and i also don't have any problems throwing understable plastic. I could be in the minority, but i don't have any problem switching back and forth between sports.

I can't say that it hurts my golf game, but I think that I will never be able to reach my potential in either while playing both. The whole throwing a disc flat with snap will not work with the Ultrastar so I never develop the muscle memory needed to do it on a consistent basis on the golf course. I will almost always choose Ultimate over discgolf though for pure comradery and fun.

Shane

Actually The Game wasn't going to be called FROLF or FRISBEEGOLF and the reasons WEREN"T because the online names were taken.
Frisbee is a registered trademark and thus can't be used as a name for a professional Organization or any other club/product/etc.
Becuase the online Acronym was taken is bullcrap. PDGA was founded before the internet was even a though to most people in the world.

-Scott Lewis

P.S. I am throwing lids more often now and I have found that i throw much more consistently in discgolf and i throw lids much better too. I used to alwasy turn over lids.. Now i can get them do to Anything and much more consistently than I can with a disc(i guess because you don't have to modify your technique as much to throw a turnover or a hyzer with a lid).
Playing with a lid is great and good thing to be able to do especially living at a shore area and going to college.