When is an ace not really an ace? Does an ace still count if you stood on the tee and rifled off 144 discs before you finally heard the sweet CHING of the chains? Isn't that an unfair advantage, repetitive motion all under the same conditions until you finally achieve the throw required to ace the hole? Should aces be reserved for true rounds, match play type events, or the sweetest first drive of the hole (NO MULLIGANS ALLOWED)? Doesn't that make the ace that much sweeter? You stepped up to the tee for the first time ever, rifled a bullet down a 10 foot wide corridor of disc-hungry evergreens for a 309 foot ace! Rather than stepping on to a 164ft wide open hole and chucking every disc in your bag, your wife's bag, and your childrens' bags until you finally hit one. I ask because technically they are all the same, the disc starts in the same tee area, and ends up in the basket, with only one flick of the wrist. They just don't FEEL the same. I know people that "chase aces" and then brag to no end. Wouldn't an ace also count in your own backyard? If you throw from the corner of the lot to your portable discatcher and sink it, wouldn't that qualify?

In that case, I have 463 lifetime aces of at least 125 feet.

i remember some guy throwing about a 125' from our practice area into hole 3... then wanted everyone to sign his disc! dork!

all aces in a round count of course. but if its the 2nd or 3rd drive in a practice round, then all it really is is a memory.

IMHO


ps over 125' ??? come on, what kind of course has 125' holes? that aint nuttin but a good putt! :eek:

the shots I maked from around my yard range from 125' to 300'. I've had many aces in my backyard. I've even got a couple from across the street - throwing a huge hyzer to a blind pin behind the house. This is more of just a complaint about those guys that empty their bag on every hole and brag until they're blue in the face about how many aces that have "11 aces and I'm only 18". WGAFF!

To each their own. Personally, I count only those that made it on the first shot from the tee. If I hit one on a practice shot (even from the tee) after that, it's just an upshot that hit the basket.

An ace is an ace... if its the 1st or 4th shot and unfortunately if it were the 100th shot in a row from the teepad. Even though it would be harder to get an ace in traditional golf, imagine hitting 2 shots and the 2nd one goes in and not getting worked up for it?

Regardless if its a practice round or not an Ace is still a great shot. Sure some are not very exciting such as one at a course with a short sub200ft hole. I would say most aces are in teh 200-300 range. I will count any ace I get, but some have meant more to me than others and how it makes you feel is really all that counts.

I am sure not everyone will agree on why someone would throw many shots on a hole just to get an ace, whether it be for pride, bragginr rights and so on, Some may not count aces on practice shots, which is fine if they want to and some will count anything they get because it does serve as a reminder that you had a great shot once ;) its always nice to look back on moments that you enjoyed while golfing to help build your mental confidence.

an ace is an ace...
I would consider an ace to be any Shot thrown From a Designated Tee area into the Correct Designated basket/target OF a REAL Course.
That would be the best way for me to describe it.
I only have 1 ace, but it's definately my favorite shot ever becuase it did exactly what i wanted it to.
Hole 7 at Warwick Short to short.. threw a Classic Aviar and it held a Flat Anny line(no dive.. just gently annied while the disc was still flat it seemed) and then caught the basket on the right side just as it started to hyzer a bit. Great shot.
I was so pumped and afterwards i just missed an ace on the next hole 8 s-s by about 2 feet.

-Scott Lewis

Isn't this the reason why people bring up questions like," Was it an ace over 300+?" and "Was it a tourny ace?" If someone wants to brag, then s/he can throw 100 shots so s/he can feel good while bragging s/he got an ace, won't hurt me or you if s/he brags. I don't know why a person would feel good bragging about any ace. To me golf is more of a battling yourself sport, nature and the course too if you wish. Other players doing the same thing as you just makes it more fun. I have no aces yet, and I'm sure it'll feel great once I do. Right now to me, whenever people mention the amount of aces they've gotten, its an indicator to me how much that person has played, and whenever someone tells me about a specific ace, its just sharing a good memory. If someone threw the disc 100 times to get that ace and s/he wants to tell a good discgolf memory then why not? If its someone going around bragging all the time, then I'll stear clear of that person the next time I see him/her at the course.

The short answer to all of your questions is "yes."

I think the short answer is no. Only the first shot off a tee counts as an ace. Everything else is just practice. But to each their own.

It has to be the first shot from the teepad to the hole to be an ace. If it's your second shot it's a deuce. You still have to follow the rules of the game to count aces.

Unless of course you count black aces(shots from a tee that ace an unintended basket)!! :p

When I was a kid I played little league baseball. During batting practice we had this kid who could drill the ball over the fence. In the 5 years I played he hit over 800 over the fence in batting practice. Meet the new Hank Aaron... Hard to believe that the home run title belongs to a 44 year old guy who broke it when he was 14 years old and doesn't even know it. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

It only counts if you do it in competitive play. You can fool yourself, you might even fool some other people but it just isn't the same.

It has to be the first shot from the teepad to the hole to be an ace. If it's your second shot it's a deuce. You still have to follow the rules of the game to count aces.




Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a winner!

Sorry, it's only a hole in ONE if it's the 1st throw. (hence ONE)

It has to be the first shot from the teepad to the hole to be an ace. If it's your second shot it's a deuce. You still have to follow the rules of the game to count aces.



Actually it isn't a deuce....it is a practice throw...

It has to be the first shot from the teepad to the hole to be an ace. If it's your second shot it's a deuce. You still have to follow the rules of the game to count aces.



Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a winner!

Sorry, it's only a hole in ONE if it's the 1st throw. (hence ONE)

So if you're playing Cali in doubles and you decide to take your second throw from the teepad and it goes in, it's not an ace?

What about a re-throw that's required under the rules that goes in?

What if you're playing two rounds simultaneously (two sets of scores on every hole) and the second throw from the teepad on one of the holes goes in?

What if you are practicing a particular hole (drive, upshot, putt out, repeat) and the tenth time you play the hole, your drive goes in? What if, instead of playong only one disc each time, you throw and play out two discs every time, and the fourth time you play the hole, the second drive goes in?

What if you're playing Ript� and someone slaps a "Cancel Drive" card on you after your teeshot, and your second teeshot goes in?

It has to be the first shot from the teepad to the hole to be an ace. If it's your second shot it's a deuce. You still have to follow the rules of the game to count aces.



Actually it isn't a deuce....it is a practice throw...

Not if it's a re-throw requried under the rules.

So if you're playing Cali in doubles and you decide to take your second throw from the teepad and it goes in, it's not an ace?

ace


What about a re-throw that's required under the rules that goes in??

ace


What if you're playing two rounds simultaneously (two sets of scores on every hole) and the second throw from the teepad on one of the holes goes in??

practice ace


What if you are practicing a particular hole (drive, upshot, putt out, repeat) and the tenth time you play the hole, your drive goes in??

nice tenth shot!


What if, instead of playong only one disc each time, you throw and play out two discs every time, and the fourth time you play the hole, the second drive goes in? ?

practice ace


What if you're playing Ript� and someone slaps a "Cancel Drive" card on you after your teeshot, and your second teeshot goes in?

that would be a Ript� Ace Hole

I have to say that I reserve the term ACE for a truly special throw. I've only gottten one in my life. But it's one that is memorable - first time playing a course, step up to the tee, let 'er rip, and CHING! If I am out on the course, throwing from the tee, and sink it in the basket, that's an ACE! Not taking the time to realize what I did wrong, and throwing another and another tee shot until it goes in. Sure it feels great to nail an ACE on a CTP contest on a temp basket, or nail throw from across the field a random basket. It just doesn't feel like an ACE. For some reason it just isn't as sweet unless I'm playing with someone else as well. Despite the number of times I have thrown a disc into a basket in ONE throw from a given area, none of them compare to my REAL ace.

It has to be the first shot from the teepad to the hole to be an ace. If it's your second shot it's a deuce. You still have to follow the rules of the game to count aces.





Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a winner!

Sorry, it's only a hole in ONE if it's the 1st throw. (hence ONE)

So if you're playing Cali in doubles and you decide to take your second throw from the teepad and it goes in, it's not an ace?

What about a re-throw that's required under the rules that goes in?

What if you're playing two rounds simultaneously (two sets of scores on every hole) and the second throw from the teepad on one of the holes goes in?

What if you are practicing a particular hole (drive, upshot, putt out, repeat) and the tenth time you play the hole, your drive goes in? What if, instead of playong only one disc each time, you throw and play out two discs every time, and the fourth time you play the hole, the second drive goes in?

What if you're playing Ript� and someone slaps a "Cancel Drive" card on you after your teeshot, and your second teeshot goes in?



In Ann Arbor if you are playing Cali and ace on the second shot you get to record the 1 but no one pays $5 and you are not eligible for the ace pool. So it is a qualified ace

So if you're playing Cali in doubles and you decide to take your second throw from the teepad and it goes in, it's not an ace?

ace


What about a re-throw that's required under the rules that goes in??

ace


What if you're playing two rounds simultaneously (two sets of scores on every hole) and the second throw from the teepad on one of the holes goes in??

practice ace


What if you are practicing a particular hole (drive, upshot, putt out, repeat) and the tenth time you play the hole, your drive goes in??

nice tenth shot!


What if, instead of playong only one disc each time, you throw and play out two discs every time, and the fourth time you play the hole, the second drive goes in? ?

practice ace


What if you're playing Ript� and someone slaps a "Cancel Drive" card on you after your teeshot, and your second teeshot goes in?

that would be a Ript� Ace Hole



What if....What if....What if..............

What if it was my 1st shot and a flock of geese flew over and made brown and green rain while my disc flew into the target. Would it be considered a ScHITTY ace?

All of those questions are valid ones, and Pat answered all of them the way i would have.

that would be a Ript� Ace Hole




Be careful saying this too fast. Also be careful saying it too loud in public places. Nice one Pat. A ript ace hole. Nice :D

sounds like it could be a little bit painful

It has to be the first shot from the teepad to the hole to be an ace. If it's your second shot it's a deuce. You still have to follow the rules of the game to count aces.



Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a winner!

Sorry, it's only a hole in ONE if it's the 1st throw. (hence ONE)

So if you're playing Cali in doubles and you decide to take your second throw from the teepad and it goes in, it's not an ace?

What about a re-throw that's required under the rules that goes in?

What if you're playing two rounds simultaneously (two sets of scores on every hole) and the second throw from the teepad on one of the holes goes in?

What if you are practicing a particular hole (drive, upshot, putt out, repeat) and the tenth time you play the hole, your drive goes in? What if, instead of playong only one disc each time, you throw and play out two discs every time, and the fourth time you play the hole, the second drive goes in?

What if you're playing Ript� and someone slaps a "Cancel Drive" card on you after your teeshot, and your second teeshot goes in?



If, at a tournament it would count as a "1" on your scorecard, it's an ace.

Here is my definition of an ACE:

It can only be an ace if it is on your first throw on that hole in the round. If you throw a practice 2nd or 3rd shot and it goes in, oh well. You just made a long practice shot. Who cares...

ITS NOT AN ACE.

If I wanted to, I could go to a short hole and throw a stack of rocs for a 1/2 hour. I am sure one will go in eventually. It doesnt really matter though.

Anybody that counts those shots as "aces" is an absolute JOKE of a person IMO. :eek:

If, at a tournament it would count as a "1" on your scorecard, it's an ace.

That's the point: the second throw in Cali doubles, required rethrow, and Ript� would all count as a "1" on your scorecard.

What if you made a hole-in-one but get slapped with a courtesy violation (assuming its not your first courtesy violation of the round) for something you did either before or after making your throw? Would it still be an ace, even though the scorecard would show you took a circle-2 on the hole?

Anybody that counts those shots as "aces" is an absolute JOKE of a person IMO. :eek:


Man that's a lil' harsh.....

courtesy violations do not change the score for a hole. they are strokes added to the round score. you would still card a 1 and it would still be an ace

courtesy violations do not change the score for a hole.

Is that by rule or simply the practice in your area?

courtesy violations do not change the score for a hole.

Is that by rule or simply the practice in your area?



Actually the rules just say you mark any penalty throw/warning on the scorecard.




C. Warnings and penalty throws given to a player for rules infractions should be noted on the scorecard.





It doesn't say you have to add them to the score of the hole, just mark them somewhere on the card(and of course make sure they are added in on the final score).

NO LImit:
heh. that person is a joke of a person?? YOU just discredited many many pros.... and i'm sure they play much better than you.

-Scott Lewis

I only count aces thrown on the first shot and that are over 200' It still feels good to ace a 160' hole but I don't count them towards my ace count. Otherwise, people who lived on a short course would rack them up like crazy.

I lost count of my aces, so I only remember the good ones. The ones that I actually get to write a 1 on a scorecard and the ones that I collect acepot money with......One of my best ACES mr Heeren got to see, Hole 10 San Saba - Greenbelt (I believe) Worlds Dubs :cool:

NO LImit:
heh. that person is a joke of a person?? YOU just discredited many many pros.... and i'm sure they play much better than you.

-Scott Lewis



A persons rating or division are never a good indication of character...I know a lot of good golfers who are jokes and arse holes.

I lost count of my aces, so I only remember the good ones. The ones that I actually get to write a 1 on a scorecard and the ones that I collect acepot money with......One of my best ACES mr Heeren got to see, Hole 10 San Saba - Greenbelt (I believe) Worlds Dubs :cool:



I'm thinking that was #10 on Strawbale. Putter shot off of the cliff, with the creek/river 20' behind it?

Yea, that would be the hole except he threw a spike hyzer with a driver OVER the trees, no putter shot down the middle. I really wish he would have thrown first, I never saw that route.

An ace is when you can write a 1 down on your scorecard and it counts towards your score in the final tally. Second-shot (3rd, 4th, etc) aces are awesome throws and maybe "Ace shots" but not true Aces. An Ace is a "Hole-in-one". It took your one (or FIRST) throw for you to put it in the basket. Nice job! Second-shot aces are cool and awesome and worth getting excited by but not countable as aces in my book.

I keep track of my aces. I have 8 now (and sadly only three have been witnessed) but they are all first shot throws. I also have a list of 2nd-shot aces (Four at the moment) which I like to remember because they were sweet throws. However, I can't count them in my ace tally. They would be worth a high five if witnessed but not an ace pot. MHO

-Max

First shot on a hole, from the designated tee area, would be an ace. No mulligans, no practice shots. There seem to be a lot of golfers who count any shot from the tee area into the basket, as an ace. I have always disagreed with that way of thinking. When someone tells you that they have 47 aces, it makes you wonder what they consider an ace. All of the people who play in my regular group think along the same lines as I do. Just my 2 cents.

I totally understand the philisophical standpoint of the first throw only idea, but I think there are just different kinds of aces. Could look at it as plain aces (any shot from tee to bucket), first shot aces (first shot from tee box), Virgin hole aces (first shot ever on the hole sticks), and tourney aces (obvious). I mean why try and categorize just ONE type of ace and just allow yourself to have a "better" ace if its the first shot. I think after people get their first ace they may only count first throws, but until then the rest of us just want one to stick.

I'm very tolerant of what counts as an ace: anything from a tee to the correct basket gets a way-to-go from me, and there's nothing unethical about calling it an ace. Just a matter of semantics.

Of course a REAL ACE is PDGA tourney only and it is CALLED BEFORE THE THROW. You guys aren't really going to count ACCIDENTAL aces, are you? You lying pu$$ies! :)

An ace is defined as one throw in which to hole out, ie. from the teepad to the basket in one. If the course designer designed a hole thats less than 200' its still a hole and one in is an ace. (if the course designer made a hole like that its obviously a tough green to hit or the hole wasnt made well). I know a bunch of 300' holes that get aced very often, and <200' holes which have never been aced. An ace is an ace no matter what the limits, if someone wants to sit on the teepad all day and throw disc after disc, let them, everyone knows their an acehole so who cares if they have 200+ aces.

Meriam Webster says....

"4 : a golf score of one stroke on a hole; also : a hole made in one stroke"

Meriam Webster says....

"4 : a golf score of one stroke on a hole; also : a hole made in one stroke"

I made a hole in a window with one stroke a couple of months ago. Does that count as an ace? :D





courtesy violations do not change the score for a hole.

Is that by rule or simply the practice in your area?



Actually the rules just say you mark any penalty throw/warning on the scorecard.




C. Warnings and penalty throws given to a player for rules infractions should be noted on the scorecard.





It doesn't say you have to add them to the score of the hole, just mark them somewhere on the card(and of course make sure they are added in on the final score).

While it is true that the rules do not require that penalty throws for courtesy violations be included in the score of the hole on which they were incurred, it also does not require that penalty throws for other violations, such as stance violations, OB throws, 2m violations, etc., be included in the score of the hole on which they were incurred, either. Nevertheless, it is customary to include penalty throws in the total when reporting and recording the hole score. So, e.g., if a player takes three throws to complete a hole but also incurs a penalty throw for an OB violation, the score is typically reported and recorded as a circle-4 rather than a 3 with the penalty throw being recorded elsewhere. Based on that practice, I have witnessed two incidents, one at the 2003 Bull City Showdown and the other at the 2004 Big Valley Challenge, in which an Open player who incurred a penalty throw for a second courtesy violation during a round included the penalty throw in reporting his score for the just-completed hole. In neither case did anyone question or challenge the validity of the procedure.

I agree Felix, I was just point out that it doesn't necessarily have to happen.

A spike hyzer over some trees for an ACE?! SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I throw a lot of tomahawks and am dying for the day I crash one in for an ACE!

I like the ones that bounce off trees or off the ground as well!

First throw from the tee box, CHING, is an ace. All else,(even with utilizing the dumba$$ PDGA rule book on rethrows, etc) are just nice shots. The point is, there is a certain essence in standing on the tee pad and flicking your first disc. No matter how many times you've played it before, the conditions at that moment are unique. Even if you are allowed a rethrow per the rules, it is an unfair advantage and opportunity to correct your mistakes and adjust your throw. An ace on ANY second throw from the tee comes as a result of an unfair advantage!

Why are we arguing about aces? Maybe we should take it to the Supreme Court or the Congress. They seem to love taking cases that have nothing to do with the government, citizens, or life in general lately.

:confused:

By the way, what about Ace contests? I had one with my friends a while back and we both threw probably 30+ discs before I slammed it. Now I took their prize discs. Was that wrong because I made it on my 30th shot?