I'm not a power thrower and my technique still needs some work, so I usually drive with fast discs (171 or 172g champ viking is my main driver) because I need all the distance I can get. I only carry about 10-12 discs (I really like to be familiar with what I'm throwing)

I lost my Orc last week and I need a replacement- I plan on buying a new 171 or 172 champ Orc but I also want to try something new. What I need is a fast disc that is a little more stable and maybe faster than the champ viking (similar to the champ Orc). The 172g champ viking I've been throwing goes perfectly straight for me at my top speed with a level or slight hyzer release, but if I accidently torque it a little it turns too much. I've been looking towards a Spirit or Flash maybe, and keep in mind that I only buy the top-quality plastics (my discs like to find trees) Any advice is greatly appreciated.

pro starfire, is fast or a dx orc for max d and a teebird IMHO

agreed

yeah man, give the flash a go. maybe like a 166-169ish weight. it's wicked fast and (i've found) will turn over slightly at high speeds (flat release) in that weight range. also, the flash has great glide as it begins to slow.

Try an "E" Spirit. They start off almost too overstable, but with some flexing and some casual use they break in to be great distance discs. Hands down the Spirit makes the top 5 list for fastest drivers!

I'm not a power thrower and my technique still needs some work, so I usually drive with fast discs (171 or 172g champ viking is my main driver) because I need all the distance I can get. I only carry about 10-12 discs (I really like to be familiar with what I'm throwing)

I lost my Orc last week and I need a replacement- I plan on buying a new 171 or 172 champ Orc but I also want to try something new. What I need is a fast disc that is a little more stable and maybe faster than the champ viking (similar to the champ Orc). The 172g champ viking I've been throwing goes perfectly straight for me at my top speed with a level or slight hyzer release, but if I accidently torque it a little it turns too much. I've been looking towards a Spirit or Flash maybe, and keep in mind that I only buy the top-quality plastics (my discs like to find trees) Any advice is greatly appreciated.



From my experiences you could try....
Discraft Flash ("Hot" colors are more stable then "Cool" colors)
Discraft Crush
Innova Beast
Innova Sidewinder (for a player without alot of power, the sidewinder is a very long disc, must be released with hyzer as it is really understable).

All these discs are some of the fastest the manufacturers make. I have found the Orc to be more stable the these, but the Beast has a greater amount of low speed fade which compensates for its lack of stability in comparison to the Orc. Most of Gateways discs are overstable to start, if you are looking for something really stable go with them, but I do not know how fast they are in comparison to the others.

But since you like the Orc, I would stick with that. It is personally my distance driver of choice.

I dont think the Spirit is the answer. Have you tried the Sidewinder? For less than powerfull arms around here they have been well recieved, and if your afraid youll flip it to easily try thr Pro Starfire { as mentioned above} or a Champion Valk. Personally, I think its better to develop with a stable to understable disc and that the Spirit is not a disc for less than powerfull arms. I do like the Spirit for beginners as a placement disc, but not as a driver. If your a Gateway thrower you may disagree, but I would suggest a Blaze or Illusion before the Spirit as far as distance.

I tried my new Proline Starfires out this last weekend and they do fly like a faster, longer Viking (I'm a Viking fan as well). That also means that you may have similar problems you have with the Viking with them turning over if you don't throw them correctly.

I have a 173g S Spirit and it's way, way more overstable than the Viking. I also had a Flash that was a bit more understable than the Viking so I'm not sure either of those are really what you're looking for. The Crush may be worth looking into, though. I've never thrown one, though.

I had an S Illusion that was more overstable and a bit faster and longer than the Viking, so perhaps that may be a disc worth looking into. I know they make it in H plastic which is pretty durable.

Z-Flash for light winds, Z-Crush for medium winds, and X/Z-Pred for heavy winds.

for someone without alot of power...the predator is NOT the way to go.

thanks for the help guys. I had no idea the Starfire and Sidewinder even existed! I just checked the innova site- I can't wait to try out the Starfire, that might be exactly what I need. Too bad it's not available in champ plastic yet. I'm sure the sidewinder is too understable for what I'm looking for, but I'll get one anyway because I really need to practice hyzer releases.

Is the Illusion made in E plastic? I'm curious how the E Spirit and E Illusion (after some use) compare to the champ viking stability-wise. The info on the gateway site is kinda vague. For discraft, I think I'll try out the Z Crush.

I dont have huge power by any means (probably 350' avg d) and I have found X Predators to be great predictable discs, especially into a headwind. Much more predictable than any orc, beast, flash, etc...

That being said, has anyone thrown max weight pro orcs into a headwind? I throw mine with a big hyzer angle, it will flip up, turn a little, and finally fade at the end. (thrown with about 75% power). It's a can be a little touchy, but in an open field it's my furthest headwind driver.

That being said, has anyone thrown max weight pro orcs into a headwind?


i found that when my pro orc was still new/undamaged, it flew well into a wind if thrown with considerable height. but once it got beat in a little, it would never come out of its anhyzer unless i had a tailwind. it's not a low-ceiling disc, but it's still fun to throw for distance in calm conditions. not really stable enough or predictable enough to earn a spot in the bag during serious rounds, however.

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Muhey Beauno!

The one i'm talking about is a little beat... its a second run, so its definitely more durable than the first run... it seems to always come out of the flip, and predictably fade at the end...

Starfires are available in Champion plastic, but it is CFR (Candy Fundraiser) only. You can buy one from a tournament. Kinda like Champion Rocs, but availble for multiple tournaments year round.

Tax Tourney April 30th Birmingham AL, has Starfires. There is a thread about it in the Tournament Forum, you can ask the TD about getting one. $20 I think.

stick with the orcs!! try a variety of weights!!

If you're liking the orc, try another orc, a crush or a flash. I drive primarily with a crush, flash and orc and find them to be comparable in distance, rim size and speed. The flash can be flippy at times though. The crush is about the mirror image of an orc with maybe a touch mroe glide. IMO, these 3 are the best drivers out now (haven't tried the starfire yet).

Definatly a flash or keep with the orc....or a teebird

They don't make E-Illusions yet. They are coming out as Xouts.

Once you beat in a S-Illusion, they fly straight. It only takes a week to beat them in. If you don't have time to beat it in, just take it against the teepad and do 2 full turns.

If you don't have time to beat it in, just take it against the teepad and do 2 full turns.


Interesting way to break in discs, how well has it worked for you?

Well I did that to a Speed Demon and it actually turns over for a few seconds before crashing out.

The S-Illusions are very stiff until you beat them in some...then it is easier to flex the disc in your hand.

I didn't spin my Illusion on the teepad. I just took it and started to flex it in my hand after hitting a few trees.

I have an H Illusion that turns over if thrown perfectly flat and hard, but it has no wear at all on it. Hoping it will turn over really well after breaking it in as its my longest driver right now as it is and the extra understability would make it easier to throw bigger for me.

I didn't spin my Illusion on the teepad. I just took it and started to flex it in my hand after hitting a few trees.



Illusions are still somewhat stable new, but flexing them as well as some casual break-in allows them to be HUGE. Did I mention they are THE fastest disc on the market?