Have been trying to find any info on this new rule about established pro ratings that allow them to play in AM divisions depending on their rating. We have had some controversy amongst players about this. One of the guys has been saying we need to petition to play as an amatuer while the paper work I read specified those under 955 could at their own choosing compette in advanced. Need to find some documentation on this.

How about here: http://www.pdga.com/documents/td/05TourStandards.pdf

It's right in the 2005 Tour standards from a link on the PDGA Home page. Members receive this document when they renew also.

A pro needs to petition only if (s)he wishes to renew as an amateur and mostly play as an am from now on. Otherwise, pros may play in the appropriate am division any time if their rating is below the rating numbers in the document. They still retain their pro status but just don't earn any points when they enter an am division. They do win whatever prizes an am would win who finished in the same award position.

Thanks thats exactly what I was looking for.

I had to do this, it was a quite funny experience, seeing how I should not have been a pro to begin with, but it is a fairly easy process

Can one switch back and forth like the ams do? i.e, play ams one tournament and then pro the next tournament - in the same year?

Yes. In one case you can win metal coins, in the other you can win plastic coins.

yes you can and I have already done it, cashing in both Pro and Advance in the last 3 months.r (Ok, the Pro cash was a non santioned events)

You can switch back and forth. Your rating lets you play advanced women and in any men's division you are not too young for.

You can switch back and forth. Your rating lets you play advanced women and in any men's division you are not too young for.



That's good news on both fronts! I like playing with men!! :D;) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D

This rule helped me decide to go pro earlier than I was planning. AND it's bringing more competition into both the Advanced Women and PRO Women divisions. It also enabled me to play with the Int Men after taking cash for lack of competition in other available divisions.

Good Stuff, I say! :cool:

I say its a great idea for the women but a horrible one for the men. The men already have enough competition and i think it just premotes MORE sandbagging in the mens divisions because now the great ams can just cash at local pro tourneys then still go out clean up at the big A Tiers around the country. Kind of double dipping dont you think???

men already have enough competition and i think it just premotes MORE sandbagging in the mens divisions because now the great ams can just cash at local pro tourneys then still go out clean up at the big A Tiers around the country.

examples?

I say its a great idea for the women but a horrible one for the men



I guess that would make you sexist. :eek: :p :D

I guess that would make you sexist. :eek: :p :D



Why you always gotta be workin me girlie??? :D

This rule helped me decide to go pro earlier than I was planning. AND it's bringing more competition into both the Advanced Women and PRO Women divisions. It also enabled me to play with the Int Men after taking cash for lack of competition in other available divisions.

Good Stuff, I say! :cool:



Back when I started, there was no ams division, only "women" so I never got to play ams. It'll be weird, but I just might consider it.

This rule helped me decide to go pro earlier than I was planning. AND it's bringing more competition into both the Advanced Women and PRO Women divisions. It also enabled me to play with the Int Men after taking cash for lack of competition in other available divisions.

Good Stuff, I say! :cool:



Back when I started, there was no ams division, only "women" so I never got to play ams. It'll be weird, but I just might consider it.



It looks like Sylvia Voakes is playing Am this weekend at Bowling Green :eek: :D

She told me at the Memorial she was excited about doing that this year since she rarely has a division of any size in which she is competitive.

I say its a great idea for the women but a horrible one for the men. The men already have enough competition and i think it just premotes MORE sandbagging in the mens divisions because now the great ams can just cash at local pro tourneys then still go out clean up at the big A Tiers around the country. Kind of double dipping dont you think???



Since it's based on ratings, if everyone in that division have the same rating (or close to it), then I don't see how it's unfair.

Or you can always get a sex change :D:o

It looks like Sylvia Voakes is playing Am this weekend at Bowling Green :eek: :D



With a Rating of 839, I hope she does well. I for one will be looking up to she how she does.

I say its a great idea for the women but a horrible one for the men. The men already have enough competition and i think it just premotes MORE sandbagging in the mens divisions because now the great ams can just cash at local pro tourneys then still go out clean up at the big A Tiers around the country. Kind of double dipping dont you think???



This is my only complaint about this rule.

Let�s say you have a tournament. And the tourney has an Am weekend and Pro weekend.

Let�s say the am weekend fills and some pro is under 955 and he�s like �I would like to play both weekends�, and wins the Am and places nice in the pro weekend.
Not only has we cleaned up in the Am div, he picks up some money in the pro weekend. Talk about double dipping.
That�s selfish. The pro took a spot that an Am could of had. It happened at the wintertime open this year.

It�s not bagging. Steve how many low rated pros have you beat? Plenty I�m sure.

Kozak...

The same thing could have happened this year at AM Xtown. There were 2 pros that moved back down to play. One of them now has a broken leg and won't be playing the Pro Xtown, and I don't know if the other is playing Pro Xtown.

Not really double dipping. A pro who can still play am is going to have a hard time cashing on the pro weekend.

As far as Am weekend, did it really fill up????

If it did, then you have a point, if it didn't, your point is mute on this occurance.

Am's play Pro all the time and you never hear anyone complain about it.

Just look at Lewisville Texas 10 finals. Several Advanced and even Am players played both days.

To me it seems to get more players at your event.

2005 winter time open Am weekend filled up. It allways fills.

Then you have a valid point. Even though I disagree with it.

unless it is a major, >955 Pros can play Advance

Who are you griping about?

This is my only complaint about this rule.

Let�s say you have a tournament. And the tourney has an Am weekend and Pro weekend.

Let�s say the am weekend fills and some pro is under 955 and he�s like �I would like to play both weekends�, and wins the Am and places nice in the pro weekend.
Not only has we cleaned up in the Am div, he picks up some money in the pro weekend. Talk about double dipping.
That�s selfish. The pro took a spot that an Am could of had. It happened at the wintertime open this year.

It�s not bagging. Steve how many low rated pros have you beat? Plenty I�m sure.



The good news is, the rule is the same for everyone - you included. The AM should have signed up early, like the rest of us did. :o

Actually, I think this is a good example of where it's bad for the women. I'm not sure where the "blame" lies in this, if any, but the Am Xtown only offered an Advanced Women's division. Now, first argument should be that perhaps other women's divisions should have been offered. That I do believe. Second arguement is that I wanted to play this event, but when women's registrations started flowing in I noticed about a 100 point difference in where my rating should be and where those pre-reg'd sit, and I watched two of those women accept cash at a tournament a few weeks earlier. Ultimately, one of those didn't play and the other had enough integrity to step up to the Int division, but it still seemed like a grey area sticky situation.

Marsha,

It is hard to find women that want to play PDGAs in NC that will actually play Intermediate.

There were 4 this past weekend at Castle Pain, but that was rare. Heck you even notice that there was only one adv woman and 2 pros.

RADL has tried a lot of things to get women out to the course.

This summer I plan on taking my g/f out to Cedarock/Wellspring and teach her how to play(starting off with putting and using rocs), but she won't be able to play PDGAs because she works all the time on the weekends.

-Will

I completely understand the problem of there not being enough women playing in the area. I know some that play but have no interest in playing beyond the monthlies and weekly random doubles. It's frustrating, but you can only do so much.

Do you think that letting women who have stepped up to pro play am helps in this situation though? It may have created a bigger women's field for the Am crosstown, but it also may not have. I feel that part of the problem of getting women to tournaments is getting them past their first few. It's extremely intimidating to go into your first tournament playing advanced (which is what I did), let alone knowing that some women who play pro can drop back to advanced. I honestly think more women would compete if they knew there would be some competition at their skill level, rather than just getting blown out of the water by other women. It seems around here a woman with a rating 800 and higher is competitive in pro, whereas that may not be the case in other places. But the PDGA is a national organization, so the guidelines are set for national competition, which I understand.

I have 2 questions. My current rating is 818. The changes in the tour standards state "Pro Women Only can play in Advanced Women (FW1) if their rating is below 850, which mine is. So does that mean I can play in the FW1 division?

2nd question: Which division is more advanced, FW1 or FW2?

Thanks!!

Hey Michelle!

#1 - yes, as an 819 rated PRO Woman you can plan Advanced Women.

#2 - FW1 is the indicated for the Advanced Women's division while FW2 is Intermediate.

Good luck and have fun! :cool:

#2 - FW1 is the indicated for the Advanced Women's division while FW2 is Intermediate.

Good luck and have fun! :cool:



Sorry for the confusion but I've never played AMS before and have never investigated the divisions. I guess I should rephrase my question. Is the level Rec, Intermediate, Advanced, Pro, etc.
OR
do the levels go Rec, Advance, Intermediate, Pro, etc. See I'm trying to stay as far away from the rookie division as possible and as close to the pro division as possible. I don't know the difference between FW1 and FW2 - or in this case, "Intermediate" and "Advanced". Thanks for your help!!! (And they call me a "pro"! HA!) ;)

FW1 Advanced is higher rated than FW2 Intermediate. Of course, Recreational vehicles are bigger than Intermediate cars which are bigger than Advanced hybrid gas/electric vehicles (to add to the confusion) :D

All current division guidelines are right here online at PDGA.com: http://www.pdga.com/documents/td/05PlayerDivisionsGridFinal.pdf

Hey, my "Advanced hybrid gas/electric vehicle" is considered a mid sized sedan, it's not a little car. :p

http://www.toyota.com/prius/index.html

Sorry for the thread drift, I just had to retaliate.

Enterprise Rental lists the Cavalier & Sunbird as Intermediate cars. They have lengths of 181 and 182 inches. The Prius is shorter at 175 inches, but I didn't even specify that one in particular.

Marsha,

Hopefully the monthlies and random doubles will generate more folks for the PDGAs, eventually. My wife played her first competitive round last weekend at a Sanford (NC) monthly, and there were four am women there (plus Mandi Snodgrass played with the advanced men). However, the jump is big for many of the recreational female players to move into PDGA play.

FW1 Advanced is higher rated than FW2 Intermediate. Of course, Recreational vehicles are bigger than Intermediate cars which are bigger than Advanced hybrid gas/electric vehicles (to add to the confusion) :D

All current division guidelines are right here online at PDGA.com: http://www.pdga.com/documents/td/05PlayerDivisionsGridFinal.pdf



Thanks for the info and the chuckle too, Chuck! So now I know for sure that FW1 is where I should be. Actually, this TD is being super cool as there might only be me as the only female pro. I'm traveling with Am women though and he said he'd let me play in my division - FPM - and just play with the am women and their schedule. The pro schedule is opposite and both sides would have to wait forever when we could be driving (car) or sleeping in. So that's really cool the TD will let me play in my preferred and regular division but at the schedule of the ladies I'm traveling with. :D Fun stuff, I tell ya! :D So thanks for the info everyone.

Sorry to repeat....but need to be clear. Have heard a lot of different things...

My wife is rated 851 is kinda tired of playing am women and wants to play pro.....however we are going to am worlds this year.......can she play pro women? cash? and still be eligible for am worlds....she want s to keep playing tournaments to stay fresh but also wants to push herself......

can we please get a definate answer on this?
for example yes she can take money and still play the am worlds because she was invited and her rating is still that of an advanced woman

Thanks!

No she can not because she accepted pro cash and pro players are not eligible to play in Am divisions in Majors.

http://www.pdga.com/documents/td/05TourStandards.pdf

She has yet to play a pro tournament.......so she is not a Pro at this time.

it is just for example we have a tournament this weekend and she signed up for AM2 851 rating so right in line for that divison....the TD called and asked if she would play pro because there are 2 pro women signed up......i guess this is a NO and their will be no women;'s divison......

I agree with the earlier post.......there should be more wiggle room for women because their is so FEWER players.....but oh well......

It is just hard to justify a 80 dollar entry if you know you cant take a piece of the winnings (even if you do well)

You can try to talk to the TD about that. It is not uncommon for TDs around here to allow the divisions for women even though the minimum number that would force them to offer the division are not in attendance. As long as there is one player and the TD agrees, the player can play in their own division.

The TD can also put all of the women together even though they are competing in different divisions.

Oh yeah another note....she is not looking to jump back and forth....she just wants one last AM tourney (the worlds)...it will be the last time we can do that.......because in NO WAY do i resemble someone that should be going pro.....so it seems like one last good famly disc golf vacation

especially since so many tournaments in our area are having pro and am weekends seperatley.....she just wants to stay practiced for worlds

Thanks!
she will probaly play AM2 save money and work on staying competitve

My (limited) understanding is that one can play in AM until one wins 3 pdga tournaments, then they get bumped to pro. I could be wrong though as this "rule" was in effect long before we had all these different divisions. When I started playing, it was only "womens" division, not AM this and that and Intermediate this and that.... etc.

My (limited) understanding is that one can play in AM until one wins 3 pdga tournaments, then they get bumped to pro. I could be wrong though as this "rule" was in effect long before we had all these different divisions. When I started playing, it was only "womens" division, not AM this and that and Intermediate this and that.... etc.



There is NO set standard for "Forcing" someone to play PRO. UNLESS you cash AND have a rating higher than allowed.

Even if you cash, you can still play AM (in MOST events) as long as you are in a division within your rating ;)

Nah, that isn't the case anymore.

For example, Monica Livingston in NC has won a lot of ADV women's tournies, and she didn't have to move to pro. Earlier this year, though, she accepted her first cash.

What Gary Duke said is correct: if she plays pro and takes the cash she cannot play Am Worlds this year.

She could play in the Men's Rec division if there is one or any other men's division she is old enough for.

If there is added cash for the pro women she ought to talk to the other two pro women. I have been at tournaments where an amateur woman or two played pro so that the TD would offer the pro women's division and then the winner[s] made it good for the loser[s] afterwards. I have also seen a pro master pay the entry fee of an am master to play up so that they could have the division, knowing that he'd win it back by the end of the day. If those pro women want to play in a pro women's division, they should be able to work something out.

Sorry to repeat....but need to be clear. Have heard a lot of different things...

My wife is rated 851 is kinda tired of playing am women and wants to play pro.....however we are going to am worlds this year.......can she play pro women? cash? and still be eligible for am worlds....she want s to keep playing tournaments to stay fresh but also wants to push herself......

can we please get a definate answer on this?
for example yes she can take money and still play the am worlds because she was invited and her rating is still that of an advanced woman

Thanks!



Hey Bob,

As previously stated. Stacy can NOT take cash and still go to Am Worlds. She could play anything A tier and below but Not Worlds or other "Majors"

You could also ask if she could play in the Womens Pro division for 1/3 the entry fee and not be eligible to receive cash if she ends up in a cash position. Several TDs around the country are allowing ams to enter pro divisions at a discounted entry fee with the understanding they can't win cash.

Thanks Mike and Chuck!

We have good news to report their will be 4 women there adn Staci prefers her money going to the Pro women ....so the TD called and is giving Staci a discounted rate....and she can go for the trophy but not the Cash.


We want to experiment 1 worlds together......and as Magilla can attest I am no wehre near playing OPEN...that would be straight Donataion!!!!

Don't overlook the Mid-Nationals as a fun major event that both of you can enter whether you're ams or pros.

www.midnationals.com (http://www.midnationals.com)

A new question has arisen so I am requesting guidance from all you professional rule folks - Since I've taken cash this year as a pro, does that DISqualify me to play as a Female Am I player, this year?

Taking cash wouldn't disqualify you as long as your rating is low enough to enter a particular Women Am division. As long as your rating stays below 850 you can enter Adv Women and still accept cash when you choose to play pro.

Taking cash wouldn't disqualify you as long as your rating is low enough to enter a particular Women Am division. As long as your rating stays below 850 you can enter Adv Women and still accept cash when you choose to play pro.



Thanks! That's what I thought but it's nice to be reassured. Someone also mentioned that I'd pay 1/2 the entry fee since I won't be taking any cash. Is that true?

Taking cash wouldn't disqualify you as long as your rating is low enough to enter a particular Women Am division. As long as your rating stays below 850 you can enter Adv Women and still accept cash when you choose to play pro.

No. The PDGA approved 1/2 entry fee no prizes deal is available only to amateurs, and then only if the TD decides to offer it. And it is not really 1/2 but it is close to 1/2.

Thanks! That's what I thought but it's nice to be reassured. Someone also mentioned that I'd pay 1/2 the entry fee since I won't be taking any cash. Is that true?

No. The PDGA approved 1/2 entry fee no prizes deal is available only to amateurs, and then only if the TD decides to offer it. And it is not really 1/2 but it is close to 1/2.



"Available only to ams".....
But this is PROS playing ams, not ams playing ams. :confused:

No. The PDGA approved 1/2 entry fee no prizes deal is available only to amateurs, and then only if the TD decides to offer it. And it is not really 1/2 but it is close to 1/2.



"Available only to ams".....
But this is PROS playing ams, not ams playing ams. :confused:


It is called the "True Amateur" option. Pros aren't ams, even though they are allowed to play in am divisions if their ratings are low enough, so pros can't take the "True Amateur" option even if it is offered.

That's my read on it, anyway.

No. The PDGA approved 1/2 entry fee no prizes deal is available only to amateurs, and then only if the TD decides to offer it. And it is not really 1/2 but it is close to 1/2.



"Available only to ams".....
But this is PROS playing ams, not ams playing ams. :confused:


It is called the "True Amateur" option. Pros aren't ams, even though they are allowed to play in am divisions if their ratings are low enough, so pros can't take the "True Amateur" option even if it is offered.

That's my read on it, anyway.



This might be "True" but it has no relationship to "Amateur" or the combination of the words "True Amateur". It is just part of the same old same old move up move up move out attempts to make up for the nearly fatal flaw of our sport not having an organized independent amateur classification (leaving a hoge podge of variousl levels of protected gamblers).

A pro needs to petition only if (s)he wishes to renew as an amateur and mostly play as an am from now on. Otherwise, pros may play in the appropriate am division any time if their rating is below the rating numbers in the document. They still retain their pro status but just don't earn any points when they enter an am division. They do win whatever prizes an am would win who finished in the same award position.



First, sorry if I missed this somewhere else. Is the situation similar for and Advanced am who sometimes plays as a pro? For example, he usually plays Advanced Am at most tourneys, has a rating of say 950 just recently played in a pro division and cashed. Is he still eligible to go back and compete in Advanced Am next tournament? Would he be disallowed to compete in major am events?

Pros rated less than 955 can compete in the Advanced division except at majors.

Pros rated less than 915 can compete in Intermediate or Am Masters, except at majors.

Pros rated less than 875 can compete in the Recreational division except at majors.

Women pros rated less than 850 can compete in women's advanced, except at majors.

Women pros rated less than 800 can compete in women's intermediate, except at majors.

Pros rated less than 975 can compete in the appropriately colored or metallicized division at Mid-Nationals.

Pros rated less than 955 can compete in the Advanced division except at majors.

Pros rated less than 915 can compete in Intermediate or Am Masters, except at majors.

Pros rated less than 875 can compete in the Recreational division except at majors.

Women pros rated less than 850 can compete in women's advanced, except at majors.

Women pros rated less than 800 can compete in women's intermediate, except at majors.

Pros rated less than 975 can compete in the appropriately colored or metallicized division at Mid-Nationals.



Okay, but if he's registered--and usually plays--as an Advanced Am does the same breakdown listed above still apply (i.e. can I substitute 'Player' for 'Pro' in your list above)?

Pros rated less than 955 can compete in the Advanced division except at majors.

Pros rated less than 915 can compete in Intermediate or Am Masters, except at majors.

Pros rated less than 875 can compete in the Recreational division except at majors.

Women pros rated less than 850 can compete in women's advanced, except at majors.

Women pros rated less than 800 can compete in women's intermediate, except at majors.

Pros rated less than 975 can compete in the appropriately colored or metallicized division at Mid-Nationals.



Okay, but if he's registered--and usually plays--as an Advanced Am does the same breakdown listed above still apply (i.e. can I substitute 'Player' for 'Pro' in your list above)?


When you accept cash at a PDGA sancioned event (except for one) you are then considered a pro. If you did this you are now a pro. As a pro, the above quoted options for playing am based on your rating apply.

If he's registered as an Am and hasn't accepted a cash prize, then the chart is almost correct. He can play Am majors and there's no 955 cap on how high his rating can get and still play Advanced. As soon as he accepts cash, he's automatically a Pro even if he's still registered as an Am and the chart then applies.

Rhett and Chuck, thanks for the quick response and clarification.

Rhett and Chuck, thanks for the quick response and clarification.



Ditto! Thanks, fellas! I'm only asking as this is my first time attempting to play ams... and am getting HUGE grief from the TD about it. See Rhett - it's not just you :D;)

What tourney? Evergreen or Masters Cup?

What tourney? Evergreen or Masters Cup?



Evergreen. After telling him I'd like to play ams as I'm traveling with 3 other am women, he wrote: "After much thought and debate, I have come up with an answer for you ladies. I really liked the format of El Do this year and I thought I'd give it a try for the Evergreen tournament. The Evergreen entry form clearly had the playing schedule for Open's and Amateurs. I am also capping the am field to 72 players because of the numerous crossing fairways we have at the Evergreen course. Therefore, I will not be letting you Open ladies play during the Am rounds. I am currently awaiting a reply from the PDGA concerning your eligibility to play in the Am division since you have all cashed at tournaments this year. Sorry about any and all confusion. Please let me know if you are still coming, or you would like a refund."

Since then 2 pro women have dropped out. It's a shame really, as I thought guys would want women there. But due to the schedule, a lot of pros are not going and those of us pros who want to play don't want to get home at 10 pm on Sunday night. So I've asked to play Ams and ... well, he's still waiting for a response from the PDGA.

Is he right here??? Can he do this???

PS. My rating is 818 and therefore below the 850 guideline.

I won't be going to MC for awhile.... tired of 20+ over par! YIKES!! :o

What tourney? Evergreen or Masters Cup?



Would you have a response if I would have said Masters Cup???? :confused: :confused: :confused:

It doesn't matter to me who the TD is, I'd still be speaking up. ;)

What tourney? Evergreen or Masters Cup?



Evergreen. After telling him I'd like to play ams as I'm traveling with 3 other am women, he wrote: "After much thought and debate, I have come up with an answer for you ladies. I really liked the format of El Do this year and I thought I'd give it a try for the Evergreen tournament. The Evergreen entry form clearly had the playing schedule for Open's and Amateurs. I am also capping the am field to 72 players because of the numerous crossing fairways we have at the Evergreen course. Therefore, I will not be letting you Open ladies play during the Am rounds. I am currently awaiting a reply from the PDGA concerning your eligibility to play in the Am division since you have all cashed at tournaments this year. Sorry about any and all confusion. Please let me know if you are still coming, or you would like a refund."

Since then 2 pro women have dropped out. It's a shame really, as I thought guys would want women there. But due to the schedule, a lot of pros are not going and those of us pros who want to play don't want to get home at 10 pm on Sunday night. So I've asked to play Ams and ... well, he's still waiting for a response from the PDGA.

Is he right here??? Can he do this???



Michelle.....
By rule....AS a Pro you can PLAY AM as long as your rating is within the desired divisions standard. It DOES NOT matter how much cash you have taken.
You play for prizes BUT recieve NO PDGA Points. Your only restrictions are Majors..ie Worlds, USDGC etc...

With your rating you CAN play in the Amateur division WITH the AMS.
Now this said IF at Evergreen the OPEN ladies want to play Open BUT Play in the AM Pool the TD has the right to refuse this request.
IF you sign up as an AM then he HAS to allow it, BY RULE, and then you would play in the pool that you want :D

What tourney? Evergreen or Masters Cup?



Would you have a response if I would have said Masters Cup???? :confused: :confused: :confused:

It doesn't matter to me who the TD is, I'd still be speaking up. ;)



You wouldn't have this trouble at the Masters Cup. :D

That TD knows the RULES /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
:D

Would you have a response if I would have said Masters Cup???? :confused: :confused: :confused:


I'm having a hard time coming up with a response that you won't go psycho over. I'm pretty tired of you making up lies and saying whatever you think will get you your way, regardless of what reality is.

Yes you can play Advanced with a pro rating of 818.

But you are the one who gives the Advanced girls a hard time and calls them baggers, and how they are ready to play pro. And then you play in Masters so that if those girls did go pro they would be in a one-woman FPO division. And now you want to use the new rules to play Advanced yourself.

Would you have a response if I would have said Masters Cup???? :confused: :confused: :confused:


I'm having a hard time coming up with a response that you won't go psycho over. I'm pretty tired of you making up lies and saying whatever you think will get you your way, regardless of what reality is.

Yes you can play Advanced with a pro rating of 818.

But you are the one who gives the Advanced girls a hard time and calls them baggers, and how they are ready to play pro. And then you play in Masters so that if those girls did go pro they would be in a one-woman FPO division. And now you want to use the new rules to play Advanced yourself.



Feel the love! :(

I'm glad you quoted that so I can't have second thoughts and edit it down a bit.

It's a sad thing that bad vibes seem to sell on this bored mess.

I love you Rhett!

(See if anyone notices that... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif)

I'm pretty tired of you making up lies and saying whatever you think will get you your way, regardless of what reality is.



Really? And what is it you feel I've lied about?


Yes you can play Advanced with a pro rating of 818..



That's all I wanted to confirm. Thanks.

And then you play in Masters so that if those girls did go pro they would be in a one-woman FPO division. And now you want to use the new rules to play Advanced yourself.



For the record, I've been opting to play FPM since I turned 40 - for the past 4 years and have been playing against Tita and Beth, etc. I only playfully rag on the AM girls to step up to pro so they would get better faster! It was suggested for their own good, not mine, and they all know that.

Secondly, as you'll see on the So Cal Evergreen entrants, I AM signed up as FPM and did want to play against Suzette and Emina and we would have had a 3some. But since those 2 are now not playing, I'd be in FPM all by myself. I'm choosing to play in AWI this tourney as there's more competition - among Kathy, Megan, Erin, Tracey, etc. and it'll be more fun to have gals to play with - the same ones who have been consistently beating me for the past couple of years, or so. (I would be nice to get the points for FPM overall series but TD won't let that happen either. It isn't my fault the PDGA changed the rules!) :p

Pros rated less than 955 can compete in the Advanced division except at majors.

Pros rated less than 915 can compete in Intermediate or Am Masters, except at majors.

Pros rated less than 875 can compete in the Recreational division except at majors.

Women pros rated less than 850 can compete in women's advanced, except at majors.

Women pros rated less than 800 can compete in women's intermediate, except at majors.

Pros rated less than 975 can compete in the appropriately colored or metallicized division at Mid-Nationals.



Okay, but if he's registered--and usually plays--as an Advanced Am does the same breakdown listed above still apply (i.e. can I substitute 'Player' for 'Pro' in your list above)?

An amateur who usually plays advanced but is rated less than 915 can play in the lower divisions according to his rating. A former amateur who recently took cash at a sanctioned event can play in an amateur division if he meets the ratings criteria and the event is not a Major. A TD has no discretion to exclude a PDGA member from playing in a division allowed by the PDGA, unless (a) he has advertised in advance that the division is not being offered, or (b) there are less than four players and he has decided not to offer the division.

Michelle, if the TD is not offering your preferred division for lack of players or because he is advertising it in advance, you could sign up to play in a men's division.

Kelsey played in the Pro Women's division last Saturday at our split-day tournament and shot her first ever pro woman rated round [850+]. Then on Sunday she played in the Men's Rec division and beat 1/3rd of the men in that division. Michelle, you are probably a little better than Kelsey. If there is a men's rec division, you could probably have fun competing in that division.

Michelle, if the TD is not offering your preferred division for lack of players or because he is advertising it in advance, you could sign up to play in a men's division.



It is offered on the flyer - FPM. But now 2 have opted out and therefore I'm once again the solo little lost lamb. :D I don't think it would be very fair to play in the men's rec as I would probably smoke 'em. But these ladies in AMs here are my friends, I'm traveling with them and would rather play with them. What we were trying to do this particular weekend was play AMs schedule for the convenience of traveling together. He said he only wanted 72 per field. As of now, there's 60 ams signed up which leaves 3 empty holes. It could have been done but alas....that's when we came up with alternative solutions. Besides, these particular ladies have been beating me so I don't see the problem. But the rec men - I'll probably do a bit better than them. But who knows... we'll find out on Sunday. ;)

At the tournament I played this weekend there was only one pro woman. The TD was not offering a division of one or she did not want to play it; I'm not sure which. She looked like she was having fun on the leader card in the men's amateur division indicated by her rating.

Could always get four and make your own division !!!

Four of a kind beats two Pair !!!!! :cool:

YEA !!!!!!!!!!!! 1234 I like 4 of a Kind !!!!!!!