I was throwing in a field the other day and found that I was throwing my X-storm as far as my teebird and just short of my teebird. for reference i threw the storm 325' and my beat 350 or so. I use a four finger power grip for the teebird and beast but I use a different grip for the storm, where I fan 3 fingers on the underside of the disc, with my index finger curled on the rim.
I was wondering if anyone could explain why this is happening.
Also, note that I can only toss the storm 325' the rest of my midranges max out around 290' and below.

the storm is more like an old school driver (circa 1987 but with a lot more stability) than a midrange so it will generally outdistance most of the popular midrange discs out today.

as for why you aren't throwing your teebird relatively farther, it's probably either a power issue, nose angle, or height/line.

the storm will be easier to achieve consistent distance and with than the teebird and also require less power to do that. it will also be easier to get more nose down than a teebird. the storm also penetrates rather quickly and will carry decently at a low height. the teebird requires a bit more height and doesn't penetrate as well low to the ground.

however, if it is a champion teebird, it may just not go very far for your throwing style. i consistently throw my dx teebirds 40-100' farther than champion teebirds (depending upon what weight and how broken in of the DX) and i know others who have similar experiences.

overall, the distance difference between a storm and teebird on most applicable golf shots will only be in the 5-10% but in open field throwing the teebird should outdistance it by quite a bit if thrown with enough power and height to get a full flight out of it.

You may be throwing your disc with the nose up, or too high. Midranges will go far this way depending on how you throw. Drivers won't.

A Storm is not a Midrange disc IMO, it's a driver that dosen't go as far as a high spedd drivers. It is a modified Stratus, which is a driver.

When I threw the Storm I could throw them almost as far as any of my drivers when throwing with a tailwind.

Storms are very long for midranges but it may be that you aren't generating enough armspeed to take advantage of the Teebirds charachteristics. What kind of Teebird are you throwing? I can get my DX teebird around 400' without problems. If you're throwing a Champion, it may be too overstable for you. I suggest you try a DX for more distance.

thanks for the replies first of all...i can see that the storm is a longer midrange...
I currently throw a champ teebird (i have a dx teebird but just got it and haven't had a chance to throw it yet) and a dx beast for my main driver. i don't have a problem with the teebird being overstable...i actually flip it alot and have a hard time hyzering it when necessary. i get a lot more distance with the dx beast than with my champ beast (350-360 compared to 325') but still feel like i'm missing something. i often end up s-ing my beast and teebird, so does that suggest i could use more snap to generate a hyzer flip and get more distance with a simple straight shot? or is it simply a lack of arm speed? thanks again for the advice...i am striving for 400' by the start of May so any help is welcome

i get a lot more distance with the dx beast than with my champ beast (350-360 compared to 325') but still feel like i'm missing something. i often end up s-ing my beast and teebird, so does that suggest i could use more snap to generate a hyzer flip and get more distance with a simple straight shot? or is it simply a lack of arm speed? thanks again for the advice...i am striving for 400' by the start of May so any help is welcome



Stick with that DX Beast for Max D. I have changed to the DX Orc for distance competitions because it has less high speed turn. When thrown flat and hard the beast will naturally do that S-curve. (This is good). The Orc has to be thrown harder to do the S-curve, but when it does it has a tighter S, and more D then the Beast.

I have not thrown the DX Orc in a distance competition yet. But my best throw in competition with the DX Beast = 450ft, DX Orc in practice =450ft and that was on a day I was still feeling the effects of the flu.

If you are flipping over a champ teebird then you may want to work on your technuiqe. You're throwing them on a hyzer and they still go right?

My experience with the storm was that it was a great midrange disc wich I could drive 115 meters (380 ft) without problem.

But then it became to flippy (understable) after some treeshots and I converted from playing with Polaris LS + Storm into throwing CH Orc and DX gator.

The Gator gives me a GREAT stability, but of course I cant drive it as far as the storm. Wich really is a driver disquised as a midrange :)

It looks slow, but man...it delievers length! :)

I've been working on my technique to get a more straight back and through motion as opposed to a wrapping motion that my ultimate playing plagued me with. with the old style I s-ed everything when driving. Now I still can only seem to get decent D by s-ing by drives. I don't flip the champ teebird too much anymore but i just don't have the distance. would this be a lack of armspeed, snap, or both? I feel like I lost a lot of my snap when I stopped playing ultimate but I don't know how to get it back

"S'ing" A shot is what most people throw for distance shots..
The disc will travel the extra distance because it's fighting To stabilize after it has already started traveling on it's Understable flight.. Then when it does finally start to stabilize it's much further away.

You are losing distance because you aren't S'ing every shot, But that's GOOD...
It's best to learn a solid technique with no wrapping around your body.. THis will help you to better understand your true potential and will enable you to throw other shots much better.. then you can learn proper turnovers.. hyzers.. etc.

I'd rather lose distance and have pinpoint accuracy and a solid consistent technique..

also.. i'm not sure if you do this or not, but don't muscle the disc.. You should be as relaxed as possible when throwing.. You merely have to apply enough tension to the disc with your arm/wrist/fingers to keep the disc in/on it's proper orientation/angle and then at the hit point you grip down to get a good tendon bounce...

I was having problems with my throw when i first got back out after a 4month absence... I couldn't figure it out at all. I then decided just to relax and just focus on getting a good snap at the end and it's made a huge difference..
I stay pretty much as relaxed as possible and then when i get to the wrist snap i make sure to grip down on the disc and it snaps out of my hand and takes off.. I've even improved my putter throwing.. I can throw my putter over 300 again without much effort and am throwing more accurately too..

Now i just need to learn how to throw with a smaller run up for wet/smaller tees.

-Scott