Mar 15 2005, 06:20 PM
If Coda does not win this award it is an outrage!

Pete Middlecamp couldn't even come close to beating this kid! I don't know who else is up for the award, but CODA should win HANDS DOWN!

Pizza God
Mar 15 2005, 06:24 PM
He get my vote, but then I don't get to vote and I only know players who play in Texas.

But Coda is the bomb.

Mar 15 2005, 06:24 PM
I couldn't agree more about Coda. He should win hands down. Look at his stats!!!!

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=23651

+ add WORLD DOUBLES CO-CHAMP

Mar 15 2005, 06:26 PM
It's pretty early in the year and there are still plenty of big tournys left to play to know who the ROY is yet. Wouldn't doubt if he is one of the front runners all year though.

Mar 15 2005, 06:26 PM
There is alot of single digits in that place column, matter fact no places out of the top 10 EVER for this kid!

Middlecamp couldn't hold his jock strap let alone EVER beat him

space76
Mar 15 2005, 06:33 PM
Thought he got ROY last year. He was in DGWN on the ROY page with all his stats.

Mar 15 2005, 06:36 PM
That is the nominees for this years award, last year went to Myles Harding which was a mistake! It should have been Chris Vilmorin

Mar 15 2005, 06:37 PM
Kev's correct.

Coda and Pete are up for ROY this year at pro World's.

Mar 15 2005, 06:40 PM
the kid is good. he is better than good but let's not set him up again. he already learned his lesson about spoutting off (worlds). im sure he doesnt need someone else spouting off for him.

i would vote for him but like pizza god said, i mostly know golfers from our region.

Mar 15 2005, 07:01 PM
he already learned his lesson about spoutting off (worlds).



What was the lesson? I don't get it

dannyreeves
Mar 15 2005, 08:58 PM
he already learned his lesson about spoutting off (worlds).



What was the lesson? I don't get it



I don't think Martin knows the whole story about that.

seewhere
Mar 15 2005, 09:32 PM
gets my VOTE!!

esalazar
Mar 15 2005, 11:12 PM
:D:D:D:D

I vote Coda!! the kid is a great golfer and i think he has grown immensly!! I have talked to him a couple of times and my impression is that he has really matured!! I think his mental aspect is there and will take him along way in this sport!! Best of luck!! Bagger!!!lol :D

the_kid
Mar 15 2005, 11:44 PM
I'll vote for Coda as long as he agrees to vote for me if/when I am ever nominated. :D:D

ChrisSchmidt
Mar 16 2005, 01:38 AM
But you cant go for coda that is playing this year. ROY for this year comes from last year, and if you think that coda's STATS are even close to petes you are all crazy.

Dr.Schmidt
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the_kid
Mar 16 2005, 01:40 AM
You are the crazy little Gateway dude so back off. :D:DI will decide whether Coda deserves my vote or not this weekend. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

esalazar
Mar 16 2005, 09:25 AM
if your lucky you might get a chance to play on his card!!! :D

the_kid
Mar 16 2005, 10:40 AM
Hey you never know. :D:D

nix
Mar 16 2005, 10:48 AM
I'll vote for Coda as long as he agrees to vote for me if/when I am ever nominated. :D:D




**you have to move up first kiddo**

Mar 16 2005, 10:49 AM
My vote is going to PETE.
he has amazing stats for his first year pro.
And he is an all around great person! :D

Mar 16 2005, 11:03 AM
My vote is going to PETE.
he has amazing stats for his first year pro.
And he is an all around great person! :D



Thats all very good but is Pete the best new rookie player?
I don't think so.

Mar 16 2005, 11:06 AM
Coda hasn't really played any big singles tourneys. Lets see how he does in a national tour off his home courses. Lets see how he does AWAY from Texas and OK. All he has to worry about is Kevin and Nolan out there. He hasn't proven himself yet.

Mar 16 2005, 11:07 AM
If he is up for rookie of the year then it doesnt matter if he is the best new rookie. All his stats speak for themselves when being considered for ROY.

james_mccaine
Mar 16 2005, 11:21 AM
It's not really fair to say that Coda has been playing on his home courses. I'll bet many of his pro tournaments have been on courses he did not see until tourney day or the day before. I understand the argument that he hasn't played around the country yet, but IMO, the rest of the country would be just as impressed as we are down here.

It's probably in this thread, but is Middlecamp still a rookie? He's a **** good player, but has been in open for a while now.

Mar 16 2005, 11:28 AM
Coda hasn't really played any big singles tourneys. Lets see how he does in a national tour off his home courses. Lets see how he does AWAY from Texas and OK. All he has to worry about is Kevin and Nolan out there. He hasn't proven himself yet.



Veterans Park Open
1 320 Barry Schultz 6840 1036 61 65 69 195 $1,200
2 310 Coda Hatfield 23651 992 62 64 70 196 $700
3 300 Ron Russell 9999 1017 58 70 69 197 $500
4 290 Kevin Mccoy 9453 1012 65 64 69 198 $375

Coda took an 8 the last round and still only lost by one to All Universe Barry Schultz, If Coda wasn't in HIGH SCHOOL he could have been out on tour kickin everyones ARSE!

All I have to say if we set up a grudge match between the Coda and Pete, CODA would win EVERYTIME! You'll see first handed this year. If they played match play it would be over in 12 holes

Mar 16 2005, 11:28 AM
I was told Pete Middlecamp is still up for it
I thought he had been pro too long now.
Whatever if he is still up for it then he should win.

Mar 16 2005, 11:34 AM
Coda finished in the top 5 in 9 out of 10 Open tourneys.

He won his last 10 advanced tourneys before moving up

How are you gonna say Pete's stats are better than that?

They both played in the same event last year at the Big Show at the Vet. The pros and ams played the same course and the same format.
Coda won Adv shootin 196
Pete no where near the cash shot 210

thats a 14 stroke diference, THEY ARE NOT EVEN IN THE SAME CLASS

Pete = good pro player
Coda = SUPER PRO (2 time doubles WORLD CHAMP)

Mar 16 2005, 11:43 AM
Coda hasn't really played any big singles tourneys. Lets see how he does in a national tour off his home courses. Lets see how he does AWAY from Texas and OK. All he has to worry about is Kevin and Nolan out there. He hasn't proven himself yet.



Veterans Park Open
1 320 Barry Schultz 6840 1036 61 65 69 195 $1,200
2 310 Coda Hatfield 23651 992 62 64 70 196 $700
3 300 Ron Russell 9999 1017 58 70 69 197 $500
4 290 Kevin Mccoy 9453 1012 65 64 69 198 $375

Coda took an 8 the last round and still only lost by one to All Universe Barry Schultz, If Coda wasn't in HIGH SCHOOL he could have been out on tour kickin everyones ARSE!

All I have to say if we set up a grudge match between the Coda and Pete, CODA would win EVERYTIME! You'll see first handed this year. If they played match play it would be over in 12 holes



Pete would whoop his [*****] in MI and JJ would whoop his [*****] in NC.

Mar 16 2005, 11:53 AM
Even Barry gets his ***** handed to him in NC.

Dogwood Crosstown NT
1 670 Walter Haney 6001 1019 47 45 48 46 186 $2,100
2 660 David Feldberg 12626 1015 50 45 51 49 195 $1,400
3 650 Brian Mcree 7883 1007 42 46 55 53 196 $1,000
4 640 Barry Schultz 6840 1036 45 49 50 53 197 $800

jefferson
Mar 16 2005, 12:02 PM
Even Barry gets his ***** handed to him in NC.

Dogwood Crosstown NT<font color="red">*</font>
1 670 Walter Haney 6001 1019 47 45 48 46 186 $2,100
2 660 David Feldberg 12626 1015 50 45 51 49 195 $1,400
3 650 Brian Mcree 7883 1007 42 46 55 53 196 $1,000
4 640 Barry Schultz 6840 1036 45 49 50 53 197 $800

<font color="red">*</font> there was a monsoon of freezing rain and 30mph winds that year

james_mccaine
Mar 16 2005, 12:03 PM
If Jernagin is a candidate, this argument/debate gets much more interesting and can hopefully be settled at Worlds or USDGC.

TB, your argument would have been more persuasive if the three people beating Schultz were not polished pros. If one of those three beating Schultz was Jernagin, then it would have made King Kong work much harder. ;)

Mar 16 2005, 12:19 PM
*double post*

Mar 16 2005, 12:20 PM
TB, your argument would have been more persuasive if the three people beating Schultz were not polished pros. If one of those three beating Schultz was Jernagin, then it would have made King Kong work much harder. ;)



JJ was still an am back then. :p Shultz didn't even show up last year for this tourney. :eek: I'm hoping him and Coda will show this year although I doubt it!


If Jernagin is a candidate, this argument/debate gets much more interesting and can hopefully be settled at Worlds or USDGC.

If Coda shows up this time!

gnduke
Mar 16 2005, 12:32 PM
Lets see how he does AWAY from Texas and OK.



That's not an easy thing to do.

Texas & Oklahoma combined are larger than:
Connecticut, Delaware, Washington DC, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Vermont, and Virginia combined.

TX & OK combine for about 160 courses
Sanctioned events in 2004 = 41

East coast states: 169 + 57 in NC = 226
Sanctioned events for 2004 = 119

<font color="blue">And I thought there were a lot of overlapping weekends in TX.</font>

You really should throw KS in to the OK list of states. It adds about 50 courses and 5 events.

Mar 16 2005, 12:48 PM
Yeah and PLUS, why would he want to leave when he could just stay there and take the Texans money?? Who wants competition anyway? :D

Mar 16 2005, 12:53 PM
My Vote for ROY

1st Coda Hatfield
2nd JJ
3rd Pete Cougar Melloncamp

Coda and JJ appear to be close in talent but they both would destroy Pete

james_mccaine
Mar 16 2005, 01:01 PM
Come on, implying that Coda is hanging around here because he is ducking the competition is regrettably lame. Circumstances may prevent him from travelling the country, but it sure isn't because he is afraid of the competition.

ck34
Mar 16 2005, 01:04 PM
It's too bad Coda is in the 2004 class for Rookie. Seems like 2005 should be his first official year since he played Am for half of 2004. For example, JJ will be up for ROY based on 2005. Just based on 2004 PRO stats, Middlecamp is a runaway for 2004 ROY.

cbdiscpimp
Mar 16 2005, 01:05 PM
Coda finished in the top 5 in 9 out of 10 Open tourneys. <font color="red"> Yeah thats great and all but Middlecamp cashed in EVERY tournament he played except for 3 last year and he played ALL OVER the country not just in 3 or 4 states. He also placed to 10 17 times last year and WON 4 tournaments. </font>

He won his last 10 advanced tourneys before moving up <font color="red"> Thats not very hard to do when you wait till your rated 980 and then go play against 940 rated players in all your tournaments. I think ill just wait till im 1000 rated then win 20 advanced tournament in a year then maybe ill be rookie of the year when i move up </font>

How are you gonna say Pete's stats are better than that? <font color="red"> Yes I am. What big AM tournament did coda win other then KCWO??? Pete Won the Minnesota Majestic USADGC and the Des Moines Open plus he wasnt a 980 player when he did all this </font>

They both played in the same event last year at the Big Show at the Vet. The pros and ams played the same course and the same format.
Coda won Adv shootin 196
Pete no where near the cash shot 210 <font color="red"> OMG Look out someone had a bad day. That NEVER happens. </font>

thats a 14 stroke diference, THEY ARE NOT EVEN IN THE SAME CLASS <font color="red"> Like I said. Someone had a HOT day and someone had a BAD day. That could create a stroke difference </font>

Pete = good pro player <font color="red"> Your wrong Pete IS a super Pro not just a good pro player </font>
Coda = SUPER PRO (2 time doubles WORLD CHAMP) <font color="red"> I hear distance is pretty much ALL that matters out on those courses. So i guess if you can throw far as you say Coda can then your going to shoot better then the people who cant throw far. Lets see what Coda does when he travels out of his element and into MI and NC and Iowa and places that have LOTS OF WOODS AND SCHULE. Then we can make the decision on whos a better player </font>




I have nothing against Coda and he obviously has skills I just think you need to wait and see how he does in other parts of the country before you get your panties in a bunch of him. My vote goes for Middlecamp if he is still up for it.

Mar 16 2005, 01:12 PM
It's too bad Coda is in the 2004 class for Rookie. Seems like 2005 should be his first official year since he played Am for half of 2004. For example, JJ will be up for ROY based on 2005. Just based on 2004 PRO stats, Middlecamp is a runaway for 2004 ROY.



Chuck your absolutly right about he should be up for 2005, but the way its set up Coda may be getting the shaft, it happened to me that way also. I collected 3 wins the year I turned pro but I turned pro in the fall of '94 and barely got any consideration since I only won $1100. This stinks for Coda cuz I know he could whoop Pete anytime, any place.

james_mccaine
Mar 16 2005, 01:15 PM
Chuck, could you explain. Coda just started playing open in 2004. I could swear that Middlecamp played in Open in 2003. Hows does this jive?

DGPimp, this image you have that all courses down here only challenge distance is dead wrong. I haven't seen Coda play much, but knowing some of the courses he has played well, I suspect he has all the skills, not merely distance.

jeterdawg
Mar 16 2005, 01:15 PM
Mr. Pimp, I think you went to town a little too much on the quote feature...I couldn't tell what you said and what you quoted! Sounds like everyone wants to see Coda play some out of town tournaments. Well thank goodness Pro Worlds is during his summer vacation from high school! Then we'll see. By the way, he one the Big Show at Cedar Hill, a brand new course to him and everyone else, and 20 or so of the 36 holes are pretty darn tight. He came out on top there, so I'd put my money on him to do well outside of TX/OK too.

He's got putting skills from what I've heard/seen, and obviously huge distance.

Hopefully his ego doesn't balloon too much when he gets out of 3rd period and reads all these boasts...

seewhere
Mar 16 2005, 01:31 PM
ROY is another samble in the PDGA system

ck34
Mar 16 2005, 01:31 PM
Coda, Pete and JJ (and others in the past) all turned pro in the middle of the year. It just depends on how many events they enter as pros for the remainder of the year that determines their ROY status. It may be something like 4 pro events but I'm not sure. I think Pete only played maybe one or two PDGA events as a Pro after winning the Am Nationals. For our Minnesota Tour, if an amateur turns pro in mid-year, their MN ROY status is based on whether they played the minimum 4 MN Tour events as a pro (could be master pro also) to be in the standings for yearend awards.

junnila
Mar 16 2005, 01:37 PM
I thought you were all good if you didn't cash before worlds? Isn't that why JJ is up for ROY for this year? Even though Coda has been on fire lately and even if he could beat Middlecamp 9 times out of 10, his stats don't even come close to Pete's. And whoever mentioned that Coda had a bunch of advanced wins is an [*****]! That makes no difference whatsoever.

Mar 16 2005, 01:38 PM
and i guess coda isnt getting any credit for beating two world champions in doubles with kevin mccoy?

kev/coda shot 1 worse on the longer, more open course that morning and then that afternoon they smoked the tighter, more technical course with an -8 to the champs -3. then they beat them by a stroke in alternate.

i know it's doubles and all but beating two world champs in doubles is always something to brag about.

ps. i dont know if coda has ever seen those course either.

junnila
Mar 16 2005, 01:40 PM
2005 Pro Worlds Doubles
2004 Rookie of the Year
See the difference?

james_mccaine
Mar 16 2005, 01:44 PM
What's a "samble"? :p

Well, once the candidates are established, I guess it depends on the criteria one uses to choose. I mean if Coda is eligible with 4 tourneys, and PM is eligible with 40 tourneys, and your criteria is amount of cash, amount of 1sts, 2nds, or amounts of anything, then Coda has no chance and the award is a shamockery or maybe a samble or maybe a cowturd. Take your pick and use whatever criteria you like. ;)

seewhere
Mar 16 2005, 03:25 PM
I think that was suppose to be SHAMBLE?? or MOCKERY its pretty much a JOKE on how this gets decided each year.

dannyreeves
Mar 16 2005, 04:47 PM
I hear distance is pretty much ALL that matters out on those courses. So i guess if you can throw far as you say Coda can then your going to shoot better then the people who cant throw far. Lets see what Coda does when he travels out of his element and into MI and NC and Iowa and places that have LOTS OF WOODS AND SCHULE. Then we can make the decision on whos a better player



You hear??? Maybe you should stop speaking on things you don't know about. Come down here and play sometime. I will let you see some courses that will show you the meaning of tight. Cedar Hill's holes average about 320' and are mostly very tight. Coda won that tournament by 8 strokes!

Open
1 Coda Hatfield 198
2 Eric McCabe 206
3 Kevin McCoy 207
3 Nolan Grider 207

Coda is in high school and is obviously limited in what tournaments he can attend. It really isn't possible for him to travel too much right now. Don't think that he is scared. That is a completely bogus statement that has no facts behind it.

Like I said, I know Pete and Coda (unlike most who are speaking about what they "heard"). They are both great golfers and nice guys. However, in my opinion, Coda is definetly a stronger player.

Pizza God
Mar 16 2005, 04:57 PM
Pete first played pro in 2001, but was an am player back then.

He turned pro in October of 2003.

Coda turned Pro July of 2004

Pete's current rating is 1010, Codas is 992

Pete has played more tournaments and has been playing much longer than Coda.

As far as who should be rookie of the year, which year are we talking about?

When does the year start and end?

That remains to be seen.

chris
Mar 16 2005, 05:43 PM
Pete Middlecamp will get ROY for 04' He has the highest winnings of any rookie along with the highest rating of any rookie, there is no one else even close to his stats. Now, this is for rookie of the year for "Last Year" After looking at what Coda is shooting now, even though Pete has a 1010 rating, I wouldn't doubt that Coda could beat him. He's been on fire lately, that doesn't really matter since they go by stats of last years tour. Coda winning doubles this year has nothing to do with getting ROY. Now maybe if he would have waited a little longer before accepting cash, he would be up for it this year, I would have no doubt he would have won it . . . . but oh well.

gnduke
Mar 16 2005, 05:48 PM
I really think the process should change to cover the first full year as a Pro, not the first partial year as a Pro.

This will always give the advantage to those that wait until January to go Pro instead of those that turn Pro after Worlds.

rocknrog
Mar 16 2005, 05:56 PM
Coda played at the Wichita Ice Bowl thru the woods VERY TIGHT, VERY TECHNICAL temporary course and he beat Sprout for the win.

I know he will be a force for years to come and he is a nice guy to boot. We need more Coda's in our sport.....

Never met Pete, but we are very proud of Coda in the mid-West.

ps
King Kong vs Scuba Steve
Hope to see the rematch at this years Friz......

ROG

cbdiscpimp
Mar 16 2005, 06:06 PM
You hear??? Maybe you should stop speaking on things you don't know about. Come down here and play sometime. I will let you see some courses that will show you the meaning of tight. Cedar Hill's holes average about 320' and are mostly very tight. Coda won that tournament by 8 strokes!



Have you ever played the courses in MI??? Or are you just guessing that Cedar is the MEANING OF TIGHT. Give me a break. Atleast Pete didnt SANDBAGG 10 wins in a year with NO competition in the amature divisions except Alexi Bubis. Oh and by the way Pete didnt run his mouth about winning worlds and then not show up either. Scott Slater is in Highschool and he was just out play in the Memorial in AZ. By the way he is from MI. If you want to travel and play in big tournaments you will find a way. I work 50 hours a week and get out EVERY weekend so play and will play in 7 states this year. Including AZ and Cali so being in highschool really shouldnt have anything to do with it. Tournaments are on the WEEKENDS and maybe some fridays so stop making excuses for Coda. I never even said he was SCARED or that he wasnt a good player. He shot a 1091 rated round and as far as i know thats the highest EVER recorded so obviously he is a good player i just think that if it were between Coda and Middlecamp then Middlecamp would win HANDS DOWN.

gnduke
Mar 16 2005, 06:17 PM
I have played in MI (and 35 other states) and Cedar Hill qualifies as tight, not long, but tight.

dannyreeves
Mar 16 2005, 06:20 PM
Have you ever played the courses in MI??? Or are you just guessing that Cedar is the MEANING OF TIGHT.



That comment was to illustrate that we have courses that are short and tight too. Not that your courses are not good, I am sure they are. I am simply letting you know that we don't just play in open fields.



Oh and by the way Pete didnt run his mouth about winning worlds and then not show up either.



Like I said, you speak on another subject that you only know half the facts. It is not my place to talk about the reason why Coda couldn't attend but had no choice about Worlds.


If you want to travel and play in big tournaments you will find a way. I work 50 hours a week and get out EVERY weekend so play and will play in 7 states this year. Including AZ and Cali so being in highschool really shouldnt have anything to do with it. Tournaments are on the WEEKENDS and maybe some fridays so stop making excuses for Coda.



I see how you have a busy schedule but being in high school isn't about being busy. He does have parents who I am sure have a say on whether or not he travels 1000 miles away for a weekend.



I just think that if it were between Coda and Middlecamp then Middlecamp would win HANDS DOWN.



Yeah, just like you thought Climo and Hammock would win last weekend by 10 strokes. LOL! Good call! :p

james_mccaine
Mar 16 2005, 06:26 PM
As to sandbagging, my impression is that Coda did not play that long in the amateur ranks. I don't know the answer and not that it really matters, but it might be interesting to compare the length of time Coda played amateur to other similar up-and-coming players. Also, the "he didn't play against anyone but Bubis" is lame, since it seems like Bubis has turned out to be a **** good open player in his own right.

Also, give the "he didn't travel much" line a rest. It seems like he gets out to tournies pretty **** often, as much as is practical given his life situation. While I think PM is obviously very good, I will gladly take a sporting wager with you if they meet at a tourney this year.

Mar 16 2005, 06:41 PM
We are proud of our Bhttp://www.tiffanywarehouse.com/hypno_little_moving_eyes.gifBS too. I just wish i could get him to throw some Quality plastic.

Mar 16 2005, 06:48 PM
I will gladly take a sporting wager with you if they meet at a tourney this year.



Don't bother betting MILLZ! He's a WELSH! I told him I would bet upto $10K on us winning World Dubs and he came back with "we didn't agree on anything" after he obviously lost the bet. LAMEO WELSH! He's a RENEGER &amp; A LOQUACIOUS IMBECILE :o


I WANT MY MONEY BYATCH!

dannyreeves
Mar 16 2005, 07:08 PM
Good words. Those were creative. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Mar 16 2005, 07:14 PM
Thanks I wanted to mix it up a little. :DHe can only be called a [*****], [*****], [*****], [*****], [*****] face, [*****] so many times before the effect wears off. :eek: :D:p :o:)

***** you, you ***** ***** ***** :D

dannyreeves
Mar 16 2005, 07:16 PM
Thanks I wanted to mix it up a little. :DHe can only be called and [*****], morron, dumb [*****], stupid [*****], [*****], [*****] face, [*****] hole so many times before the effect wears off. :eek: :D:p :o:)



Mom and Dad probably wore all those words out. :D

Mar 16 2005, 07:17 PM
Coda aint that good....I've beat him several times......

when he was 14 ;)

bapmaster
Mar 16 2005, 07:19 PM
This is funny. Mills is showing his intelligence level again. Or maybe I should say still...

Keep it up Mills, work is boring. :D

chicks
Mar 16 2005, 07:24 PM
Seeing is believing for all of you (wherever in the country) who haven't seen Coda play. He has the "complete" game. Hopefully he won't get the big head reading all these posts. We'll leave that to his doubles partner :D.
Who also has the complete game. (I think I just kissed King Kong's butt, yikes)

Luke Butch
Mar 16 2005, 07:32 PM
How can you guys say that Coda is better than Pete Middlecamp? I've never met either, but compare their stats in the last DGWN. His rating is also a bit higher than Coda's. Plus, he played the full season, and played most of the NTs. Coda only played 2 A tiers, and those were not big A tiers with all the top pros(Yes', I know he almost beat Barry)

If Coda would have played the full season and traveled more he would be in cotention.

Mar 16 2005, 07:33 PM
I have played with both of them several times and I'm not blind. I'm a pretty good judge of talent, and there is no comparison between the two.

These awards are all politics. I guess I'm just the campaign manager for my partner. :D

letho
Mar 16 2005, 07:35 PM
i want one of those coda bobble heads.

Mar 16 2005, 07:40 PM
You ask you shall receive. Since we are going to need campaign money for our final desination, a ROY coming from OKIEland. This is a job for the state coordinator right? we are selling the Coda Hatfield bobble head dolls.

These bobble head dolls signify the disc golf freak that he is. Take a look

http://www.staticfiends.com/shop/bobble-heads/images/predator.jpg

Disc Golf Predator :D

james_mccaine
Mar 16 2005, 07:43 PM
We need Vegas in on this. It is interesting that you look at PM's rating and winnings and compare it to Coda's and conclude that PM is clearly better. Others obviously don't value those stats as much and conclude it is close or Coda is better. It's kind of fascinating the way people use their info.

I want this sport to get big simply so I can gamble on it. ;)

Mar 16 2005, 07:49 PM
I think we need a disc golf version of the "Battle at Bighorn"

Heads up play and someone can film all the action for Disc Golf Live. Free entry to both players and find a few sponsors to make it worthwhile to the both of them and charge $5 a head to follow them out on the course. Of course earlier in the day hold a small doubles tourney (where they team up together or not be allowed to play) to entice more people to come out.

scoop
Mar 16 2005, 07:51 PM
I followed the lead cards at Pro Doubles last weekend. I'd watch Climo/Hammock play a hole, then turn around and watch Hatfield/McCoy play the same hole.

I'd bet even Mills would be forced to admit that Climo and Hammock are two "pretty good" Pros.

But Coda was taking lines and making throws that the other guys couldn't...Coda has some stupid skills. The drive on meadows #14 in the final round...a big hyzer air shot that cleared the 40' tall trees at least 400' from the tee box (with an ugly head wind)...when everybody else threw big sky rollers (that were still short of Coda's air shot) made the Houck's design obsolete on that hole.

There are few players in the World that have what he has...the only thing Coda is lacking at this point is the experience.

Oh, and he's a heck of a nice and approachable person too.
http://www.urbangrounds.com/images/disc%20golf/PDGA_Doubles_Pro/Coda_15.JPG

Mar 16 2005, 07:53 PM
Rooster your pics are SICK! Look at that blue sky

Keep up the good work

Mar 16 2005, 08:23 PM
and he throws discraft. how suiting.

Twisted1
Mar 16 2005, 09:09 PM
He DEFINATELY has my vote. Rooster is correct, he is AMAZING. Last weekend I watched 2 course designers scratch their head in awe for sure. :D
Coda is approachable and has a great personality. His main focus is being the Champ, Give him time and he will be. I am sure that Rooster will vouch...Just as Roo was looking from card to card I can assure you so was Kenny.
If Coda is not rookie of the year...Someone has "Some 'splanning to do Lucy" and if your wondering...
YES, He's Twisted Too... :D

Twisted1
Mar 16 2005, 09:20 PM
Fly him here...I'll put up 2500.00 that he sends your boy home heartbroken. If Coda beats your player he gets the $$$ and Pete and YOU have to wear a "We were wrong...CODAS THE BOMB" shirt in the rest of this years events. We could chat all day about whos better...Lets just let Coda show you. :D

Mar 16 2005, 09:36 PM
Watch out...

Jack Schmalfeld(only 18 I believe) is tearing up the NC scene lately. He won the AM Xtown over cuTT, MTL, Eddie OG, and other established ADV players. He will be going up against the pros in late April at the Pro Xtown(NT event). he said that if he finishes in the cash and it is more than $200 he will probably accept.

CAMBAGGER
Mar 16 2005, 09:48 PM
I guess the rest of the disc golf world just doesn't know what they're in for. No disc-respect to Pete, but Coda would have to fall off a teepad or get carried off by the wicked witches' monkeys to lose. Oh e Oh ....

chris
Mar 16 2005, 10:05 PM
I want to meet Coda.

Twisted1
Mar 16 2005, 10:23 PM
Come on down...we can set something up. He will be in Red Rock this weekend...GolfVSDiscGolf Challenge on April 16th, and I am sure he will pop up somewhere in between those dates as well.

jasonc
Mar 16 2005, 10:36 PM
I've had the pleasure of meeting and watching both Pete and Coda play recently. There is no doubt that both of them are great players and, from what I've seen, great people. I'll never forget Coda hitting the brush pile about 15' off the pad on Championship 18 at Veterans (about 850' downhill..............and yes a 4 is a good score ;)) and have his disc travel about 45' down the hill into the THICK shule. I really expected him to say something about the brush pile, the teepad or something along those lines, instead he just looked at me and said "Wow, that's going to be a tough 3" and laughed.

If you look purely at the stats for tourneys played and $$$$ won (which is a big part of it) then Pete is the better player on paper. If you look at both of their skills and where they are at in their game, then I would have to go with Coda. Part of my deduction may be the fact that I get to see Coda play more often, but this is the same reason that people outside of the southern states believe so strongly in Pete :D. It just amazes me that the Rookie is still rated below 1000, I've seen him shoot 4 solid 1015 rounds on many weekends.


All said and done I would definately put my vote for Coda.....and 2 to 1 odds on a heads up match :cool:.

Aleksey Bubis #22722
Mar 16 2005, 11:37 PM
They are both great players, the big thing that Coda does that a lot of players can't do is throw really far, he has all other aspects of the game and they are great too, but he is human like all of us. He will be a 1000 rated player as the new ratings come. Who ever gets the ROY award just means that, that person performmed better at that time of the year, it doesn't say anything about the future or who is better or worse. Only the future will tell and so we should end this with saying that Coda is great and so is Middlecamp, and we should not make judgements about who is better until time tells. So good luck to both.

Twisted1
Mar 16 2005, 11:45 PM
Ditto Boobs...But how is THAT like Vegas? :D

Aleksey Bubis #22722
Mar 16 2005, 11:50 PM
It's not, I just wanted to let people know what I thought of both players since I am friends with Coda and have played with him a lot, and also have seen Pete play. :D

Luke Butch
Mar 17 2005, 12:04 AM
My vote is going to Tony Gerling because I know him!

I figure if all you guys can vote for someone becuase you've seen him play and not the others then I can too. I've seen Tony play great before, and he's a good guy.

Billy_Ho
Mar 17 2005, 12:06 AM
Yeah, I betcha Aleksey "The Machine" can bench press Coda and Pete combined!!! :cool:

Twisted1
Mar 17 2005, 10:48 AM
Yep, Boobs will make a great Governor one day! :D

seewhere
Mar 17 2005, 10:57 AM
now if BOOBS can just keep his feet under him on those rubber mats!! :D :o it was good to meet ay Boobs glad you did not hurt yourself.

jeffash
Mar 17 2005, 12:27 PM
We are proud of our Bhttp://www.tiffanywarehouse.com/hypno_little_moving_eyes.gifBS too. I just wish i could get him to throw some Quality plastic.



So now he's "your" Boobs, huh?
You guys don't have enough good players in Texas??
You have to start claiming Boobs also??? :cool:/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :)
BTW- I've seen Boobs throw a Z-Extreme before. He's a weenie-arm. :D;) :D

my_hero
Mar 17 2005, 12:46 PM
We shall claim him because he can't be the only Pro player in AR. :D

What ever happened to Thor? I haven't seen him in years!

my_hero
Mar 17 2005, 12:50 PM
I stand corrected. There are 4 pro players in AR!

PDGA Tour Statistics
4 Pro players from AR
Points leaders: 1 thru 4
Name PDGA# Events State Points Cash Rating
Aleksey Bubis 22722 7 AR 722 $ 770 985
Jeff Ash 17843 4 AR 86 $ 0 953
Kelly Watson 14863 2 AR 34 $ 0 920
Tommy Eddy 7598 1 AR 18 $ 225 927

gnduke
Mar 17 2005, 12:51 PM
Just because he can't throw a comet 600' does not make him a weenie arm. :cool::cool:

atxdiscgolfer
Mar 17 2005, 12:57 PM
Coda gets my vote, the ONLY time that I have seen him play when he didnt cash was at Poison Ivy Open.

my_hero
Mar 17 2005, 01:09 PM
That's also the only time i've beat him. :D We played the 1st round together, and he missed at least 8 putts inside of the cirlce. Just a hair off, mainly hitting high and left.

Pete and Coda are great people, with great personalities. I'd hate to be the one that must choose one over the other.

Mar 17 2005, 02:44 PM
I think that is the only time I have beet him as well... I was tied with him after the first round, I work his *ss the second round :D

ROY I'm my book as well but I have never seen Pete play so I am a little bias ;)

my_hero
Mar 17 2005, 02:55 PM
Well you beat everbody at that one! :DThanks for slapping me with a 940 round!

Mar 17 2005, 03:11 PM
:D:eek: :D

seewhere
Mar 17 2005, 03:20 PM
so should this thread be Pepper for ROY?? :D

Mar 17 2005, 04:23 PM
Just because he can't throw a comet 600' does not make him a weenie arm. :cool::cool:



What in the heck would Ash know about throwing a Comet 600'? *









(* The preceeding statement applies only to any throw made on level ground.)

:cool:

jeffash
Mar 17 2005, 05:52 PM
Just because he can't throw a comet 600' does not make him a weenie arm. :cool::cool:



What in the heck would Ash know about throwing a Comet 600'? *









(* The preceeding statement applies only to any throw made on level ground.)

:cool:



Nice caveat! :D

Mar 17 2005, 07:32 PM
I'll thank you to keep your thought about my caveat to yourself. :)

Of course, if I had a nickel for everytime some woman had said, "Nice caveat..."



































I'd be able to afford a piece Double Bubble (after a five cent loan, of course)

TravisGrindle12
Mar 18 2005, 01:43 AM
Do you guys realize whats going on here. I believe that this talk is great for the game in some ways. Honestly it will take the career of these disc golfers to say"who is the best" Then the arguments will be even harder.

Hopefully one day I can sit back in my chair and watch JJ/Coda/ Pete/ boobs go at it live on TV

esalazar
Mar 18 2005, 03:11 AM
would'nt that be great!!

Mar 18 2005, 12:13 PM
Hopefully one day I can sit back in my chair and watch JJ/Coda/ Pete/ boobs go at it live on TV



If they played 72 holes it would end
1st Coda
2nd JJ
3rd tie Boobs and Pete

CAMBAGGER
Mar 18 2005, 12:16 PM
That sounds pretty catholic, maybe a tad Scout leader ...wanting to sit back and watch a young boy??? :o

ck34
Mar 18 2005, 12:25 PM
To be fair, I think they'd have to play at least one course each in MN, NC, AR and OK.

Mar 18 2005, 12:34 PM
JJ would definatly have the advantage if any of the rounds were playing in NC cuz those course are like no others, but Coda and Boobs would crush both North Valley or Kaposia although I would have my way with all them suckas at those MN courses, I LOVE KAPOSIA! :D

ck34
Mar 18 2005, 01:19 PM
I was thinking maybe Oakwood

ck34
Mar 18 2005, 01:24 PM
Maybe we need to have a Rookie of the Year event in October before the USDGC? Highbridge would be a great place to do it with a variety of courses that match terrain in most areas of the U.S. PDGA could maybe sweeten the purse for the contenders, winner take all?

Mar 18 2005, 01:48 PM
Maybe we need to have a Rookie of the Year event in October before the USDGC? Highbridge would be a great place to do it with a variety of courses that match terrain in most areas of the U.S. PDGA could maybe sweeten the purse for the contenders, winner take all?



Would that be open to all players in their first year of playing in the MPO or MPM divisions?

TravisGrindle12
Mar 18 2005, 01:53 PM
JJ would definatly have the advantage if any of the rounds were playing in NC cuz those course are like no others, but Coda and Boobs would crush both North Valley or Kaposia although I would have my way with all them suckas at those MN courses, I LOVE KAPOSIA! :D



I believe people under estimate JJ's arm. I remember him crushing a couple of the holes at the USDGC this year and people asking me, "What did he just throw a T-Bird? a Firebird? And when I said no it was a ROC they were dumbfounded.

I watched him throw some starfires the other day mmmm nasty is all i can say.

ck34
Mar 18 2005, 01:53 PM
Since the event doesn't exist, we'd have to figure out how it would work.

TravisGrindle12
Mar 18 2005, 01:57 PM
Would Rock Hill in the USDGC set up be fair represenative of a mixture of the courses from those states we are talking about?

Mar 18 2005, 02:02 PM
Would Rock Hill in the USDGC set up be fair represenative of a mixture of the courses from those states we are talking about?



All four will be there this year I bet.

Mar 18 2005, 02:20 PM
Since the event doesn't exist, we'd have to figure out how it would work.



Yeah, that was a poor attempt at an open ended question. What I was thinking, was having verification of the person officially moving up into the open divisions.

Basically reward the players who committed to the jump, regardless of cashing or not by inviting them to the tournament, and keep out players like me. (I saw a loophole in the Southern Nationals Pro Championship qualifications standards. All you have to do to qualify is play one Open event. So I played the smallest/cheapest tournament, and earned a qualifing spot. I did get DFL, but I want to play on the courses where the Pro Championships are held). I think it would be a positive endeavor to keep true Am's out of the hypothetical Rookie of the Year Tournament.

dannyreeves
Mar 18 2005, 02:42 PM
JJ would definatly have the advantage if any of the rounds were playing in NC cuz those course are like no others, but Coda and Boobs would crush both North Valley or Kaposia although I would have my way with all them suckas at those MN courses, I LOVE KAPOSIA! :D



I believe people under estimate JJ's arm. I remember him crushing a couple of the holes at the USDGC this year and people asking me, "What did he just throw a T-Bird? a Firebird? And when I said no it was a ROC they were dumbfounded.

I watched him throw some starfires the other day mmmm nasty is all i can say.



Who underestimates his arm? He is a great player in all aspects of the game. Even distance.

But Coda is a freak. :D

eddie_ogburn
Mar 18 2005, 05:03 PM
Who underestimates his arm? He is a great player in all aspects of the game. Even distance.

But Coda is a freak. :D



JJ could take him with just a 10x and a grid stamp.

dannyreeves
Mar 18 2005, 05:32 PM
Who underestimates his arm? He is a great player in all aspects of the game. Even distance.

But Coda is a freak. :D



JJ could take him with just a 10x and a grid stamp.



LOL!

Twisted1
Mar 18 2005, 06:02 PM
That I'd like to see...The only you will beat Coda with those two Discs is if you threw them at him...And 1 would have to be a "Killshot" to actually beat him then! :cool:

Mar 19 2005, 12:09 PM
;) :D

esalazar
Mar 21 2005, 05:00 PM
ROY !!!!!! Coda broke the course record at the red rock show this weekend from the blues!!

vwkeepontruckin
Mar 21 2005, 09:32 PM
I'm coming in on this pretty late, but with no disrespect to either Coda or JJ, Pete Middlecamp should get ROTY hands down. He has a 1010 player rating, cashed over $10,000 and was the only real rookie, having played the entire year as a Pro. If either JJ or Coda would have waited till next year, they'd probably get it, but my vote would go to Middlecamp.

coda_hatfield
Mar 22 2005, 11:18 AM
he didn't cash over 10,000.

vwkeepontruckin
Mar 22 2005, 12:16 PM
he didn't cash over 10,000.



My bad...my point still stands though....but you are quite a freak in your own right...I look to see good things from you.

the_kid
Mar 22 2005, 01:49 PM
Yeah he only beat me by 13 strokes on sunday. :D:D

Mar 22 2005, 02:54 PM
Yeah he only beat me by 13 strokes on sunday. :D:D


no, he beat you by 13 throws. LOL :D

esalazar
Mar 22 2005, 03:09 PM
the only tournament i can see where they both played was the big show at the vet and Coda beat peter by 14 throws!!!

Billy_Ho
Mar 22 2005, 04:11 PM
OKay everyone, We'll find out soon enough at Pro Worlds, but my money is on Aleksey "Boobs" !! :cool:

Luke Butch
Mar 22 2005, 04:21 PM
JJ will be using this coming season to try to get RoTY. Coda cashed before AM worlds, so this 2004 will be considered his rookie year.

Billy_Ho
Mar 22 2005, 08:47 PM
Who cares who the ROTY is, Im just waitn' to see them go at it at worlds for the first time!!! :D

Twisted1
Mar 22 2005, 10:53 PM
Rest assured...Coda will be ready. :cool:

esalazar
Mar 24 2005, 09:12 AM
he's a natural!! :D

Pizza God
May 08 2005, 10:01 PM
tied for 2nd at the Waco NT.

Enough said

May 08 2005, 11:10 PM
tied for 2nd at the Waco NT.

Enough said



Enough Said? (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4637)

MTL21676
May 08 2005, 11:14 PM
yeah I guess 2nd in a field with Feldberg and Hammock is more impressive than 2nd in a field with Feldberg Hammock Climo and Shultz

colin-evans
May 09 2005, 04:08 PM
I heard Climo and Shultz were scared of him. :D

m_conners
May 09 2005, 04:25 PM
yeah I guess 2nd in a field with Feldberg and Hammock is more impressive than 2nd in a field with Feldberg Hammock Climo and Shultz



Good point?????? :confused:

jbolstead
May 09 2005, 05:41 PM
Good point, but anyone can make it like either one is better than the other by comparing fields. Maybe we should try comparing the same rookie class?? hmm... Not to mention, NC and TX/OK disc golf are completely different things.

BTW - Coda beat Hammock & Climo, albeit with McCoy's help.

scoop
May 09 2005, 05:49 PM
Some might argue that McCoy beat Climo/Hammock with/becuase of Coda's help... ;)

MTL21676
May 10 2005, 01:21 AM
yeah I guess 2nd in a field with Feldberg and Hammock is more impressive than 2nd in a field with Feldberg Hammock Climo and Shultz



Good point?????? :confused:



its called sarcasm..... :D

jmonny
May 11 2005, 10:52 AM
Does anyone have any video of Coda throwing? I have never seen him play and of course he wasn't on the Worlds video because he wasn't there.

May 15 2005, 02:42 AM
He's at it again in wichita :cool: