I wanted to see if people had great photos of the hit- the throw and the position of the hand. I've been experimenting with a new camera trying to get precise photos of hand grip and release to better understand what happens in that critical moment. Anyone got any show stoppers?

Thanks in advance.

I understand that KC can throw a photo 375' on a rope and that Schweby can thumb a photo 420'.

Sorry Pete. I'm a genetically linked, environmentally exposed smart [*****]. As was my dear daddy before me. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Blake T's site at www.discgolfreview.com (http://www.discgolfreview.com) has some great pics of many players tossing plastic.

HERE (http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/analysis/justinjernigan.shtml) is one of my personal favorites. ;)

HERE (http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/analysis/justinjernigan.shtml) is one of my personal favorites. ;)



Linds, that link wasn't what I expected. :D

LOL!

You have to admit, the young man has great form! :D

HERE (http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/analysis/walterhaney.shtml) is another one with spectacular form.

I want to be like Walt and JJ. :D

Yes, thanks! Blake is our local coach/technique guru. Good stuff. But here- see what I'm talking about, not the three foot blurry line that is his wrist/the disc combined and out of focus. No offense here, but you have an awesome golfer throwing with good form and we get to see a blurry line....

Argh, the hunt continues. :-P

I don't claim to have perfect technique, but this is a good picture:

http://i136.exs.cx/img136/4339/dsc03349small7ak.jpg

Ignore the rest of the body placement since my back doesn't let me throw properly, but the arm and wrist are decent .

Pete,

i'm sure that the footage you shot on your camera last summer probably was able to capture it fairly well... at least better than my ghetto pos hi8.

these pictures have been requested a lot... i whipped up more blurry line photos at:

http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/articles/thehit.shtml
http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/articles/snap.shtml

the downside of this is that it requires 3 sequential photos to capture the dynamics of the situation.

to needlessly add further complexity there are two distinctly different backhand techniques that will yield a different feel in both cases. the difference has to do with the behavior of the elbow in conjunction with the shoulder... both yield the same behavior of wrist/disc, but the timing is different.

i can describe the wrist/disc behavior at the hit in about 15 minutes in person... bout an hour on the phone... about 174 hours typing message board posts.

am guessing i'll probably bump into you in the not so distant future and can probably talk about it then as long as you don't mind it being described by someone rated 100 points lower than you :P

I don't mind. You could probably help me out. The strange thing about the upper pros- that I have met at least, when you ask them how they do what they do, the honest ones will sort of shrug and say- well I just know what to do, or 'I feel it...' Sort of like the book Blink.

The thing I feel is that we're still lacking the kind of study aids and schools that (blasphemous word coming up) the PGA has.

Not that I'm jealous. I mean who wants a million dollar purse?

Not me.
Um..
Okay me.

http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/articles/thehit.shtml



Where is the elbow extension at the hit? Check out photo #3...

I'm baffled...

I can't argue with the man, or his distance, or his rating...just plain baffled. /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :eek:

Not that I'm jealous. I mean who wants a million dollar purse?

Not me.
Um..
Okay me.



i feel the same way about being a professional disc golf coach in the future :P


Where is the elbow extension at the hit? Check out photo #3...



ideally, the rip occurs well before the elbow fully straightens. snap occurs at the point of #3, following the slight extension of the elbow outward (forward).

Dave D. has brought it to my attention that in my snap link i incorrectly describe tendon bounce. while this is a reflex of the tendons in the forearm, the tendon bounce is interaction between the disc and fingers that occurs at the rip.

to put snap, rip, and tendon bounce together as best i can understand it (and as best as i can describe it via typing)...

1) from the pull leading to the beginning of the elbow extension the finger pads pull the disc in the forward direction. the disc will tug back against them due to gravity during the pull and start of the extension and cause the wrist to pull slightly closed.

2) the elbow extends a bit in the forward direction to a point (and any further extension would pull the disc on an arcing path to the right). at this point where the elbow extension ceases to pull the disc forward, the disc will continue forward due to momentum and push the wrist back to the neutral position. when the wrist stops at the neutral position (or slightly beyond it) the disc presses forward into the seam of the hand.

3) this is now the start of the rip. the hand continues forward but begins to slightly change direction. the disc now pulls away from the seam and against the finger pads causing the tendons in the wrist and forearm connected to those fingers to tighten.

4) as you finish in the forward direction (when your hand's motion stops being mainly "forward"), the disc rips off of the lock fingers and then rip point carrying the energy from the pull against the rip fingers (and pull against the corresponding tendons) since they are now pulling in the same direction that the disc wants to go.

short version:
disc presses into seam of hand -> disc pulls away from seam and against finger pads (and their tendons) -> finish in the forward direction leads to a spring of the tendons in the same direction as the disc during the rip as disc rips off fingers.

i'm sure Dave will let me know if i have this wrong...

Thanks! Good stuff.

On a related note, I'm wondering if the PDGA has anybody doing some sort of statistical analysis. Maybe this is a post for another thread, but is anyone doing some sort of shotlink type thing (I've been watching the golf channel) where we can see where Barry threw, putted from, overhead course type view, etc.?

I've seen analysis of who makes how many on average out of so and so, but what about fairways- greens hit, etc, such as at the USDGC?

I took a few vidclips of my drive, and I discovered I look like a fat lumbering oaf wandering up to the box

so now I pimpwalk :cool:

Hey I found a site that gives up free website space so I am gonna post a photo and video server, mysql type stuff as well
I should have some good videos and photos up soon.

In the meantime... The favorite photos of disc golf thread is awesome.

I took a video of my form during the run up. I submitted it to the Maurie Povitch show. The audience said I was a transvestite.

Interesting. Does that mean you gain an extra fifty feet on your drive or simply look that much more interesting whilst putting?

HERE (http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/analysis/walterhaney.shtml) is another one with spectacular form.

I want to be like Walt and JJ. :D



I like this one (http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/analysis/robertleonard.shtml) better than those mullets

Interesting review of pictures of MN players who throw differently due to SNOW and icy tee pads. Does this make you a better golfer>? In the snow, definitely. But does this help you practice for NT conditions? Should there be an NT in the SNOW and Ice? Eventually I think there will be. Our Ice Bowl ( st. cloud, we had two ) was the Number one fundraiser DG tournie Ice Bowl this year, raising over 13,000 for charity! Way to go Rick Rentz, our TD and fundraiser! But my question is, looking at the photos, which I will post links to tomorrow, I'm just installing and setting up a gallery server on my website- the photos show a kind of modified runup with little or no planting to the side. It becomes a stand and deliver type motion which limits the torque generated but provides for a very stable release. You lose distance and gain accuracy, which is usually good right? But get this, are you more accurate doing the SAME motion, almost every time, almost exactly the same - much the same way you would get better throwing the same discs over and learning them rather than throwing the hottest thing and switching discs every month! I think there is something to be said for the slow run-up 200 foot throw of Ron Russell. Accurate with Comets and magnets, both great accuracy discs which respond to low spin medium speed throws.

Let's see if it will let me post a link: Here's my first attempt from my new website.



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Winter Golf Shot (http://172.16.0.4/gallery/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core:ShowItem&g2_itemId=161&g2_GALLERYSID=121c1970351ccb20e86d266dcb3f7e9b)

sorry, password is lower case

Aren't web servers fun! (and slooow)

All of this for FREE!

hmm, methinks that link wouldn't work, let's try again.

PETE's PHOTO SERVER (http://middlecp.homeftp.net/gallery/gallery2)

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Pete I may some video footage you might be interested in. 2003 long drive competition at the USDGC. Footage is mainly of Jarvis, Haney and Schweb. Footage also includes all the others that get a chance before the final round. Todd, Young, Ferrans, Grider, Jenkins etc...

Video is shot from the side facing RH throwers and most of footage is of throwing technique rather then outcome of throw. Til the end that is when it was trying to focus on thrower and then lose and try to find disc in flight stuff.

Overall good footage. I used this footage in the store when people would come in and ask for distance, technique advise.
Easy to follow on slow play or frame by frame on 4 head VHS player if people still have those. :D

Not the typical far away shots but up close really focusing on the thrower.

PM me if interested in this amateur video. Oh yeah we also want you to come back to the 2005 Charlotte Open (formerly Fall Finale) and I'll pay for your ace pool for a 10% cut.