Hey, Just wondering if anyone could tell me if there are flat top, and dome top, DX roc's. I got 2 new ones the other day, and one seems to be domed and the other is not. Of course the un-domed disc is a true straight flyer, and the domed disc has more glide, and also more fade. I was just wondering if there is supposed to be a domed version and a flat version?Or did I just find a mistake?

They are from the same mold, just differences in how the disc cooled after coming out of the mold.

If you want flat top ROCs, the most reliable method is to buy the full color stamped ROCs. The stamping process seems to take all of the dome out of the disc.

I've seen this as well while comparing dx Rocs. There was one purple 179 I remember that had a huge dome, and the plastic felt more like KC than dx, very stiff. Duke's very right tho, if you want predictable, fast, stable dx rocs, the only way to go is Ching full color. Great sticky plastic. It can handle a headwind hyzer and high speed rips without flipping, but it's not too stable in a tailwind. Very accurate in any conditions, I cannot say enough about the CHING ROC!! There is a sweet skull stamp from innova/ching. Check out the full color selection at www.innovadiscs.com. (http://www.innovadiscs.com.) The 2005 Ice Bowl stamp is real slick looking, with the penguin, if you can find it

ZoneDriven (http://www.zonedriven.com) has beautiful dx Ring of Rocs stamped flat-tops

I was told those are "Ching" plastic. Is that true?

Nearly every flat~top non-Ching 'DX' Roc I've ever found are red. For me they're faster and penetrate the wind better, as stated above. Chings are just plain slickery...but easier to find.
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I have found the only rocs that I can throw effectively are the ching rocs. Even brand new, the Rancho and Ontario DX rocs (domey) flip for me. I have to release them with a 30degree hyzer to get them to flip up and fly straight. The ching rocs I do not have to put that much hyzer on and it will still fade left for me. However the Glow DX rocs will fade left, but that is only after they slow down prior to flipping over and turning right.

I was told those are "Ching" plastic. Is that true?



There is no Ching plastic as far as ROCS go. The only "Ching" plastic is what you find in a Mojo, JuJu etc... Also there is no more "ching" stamped anything from Innova. It is simply known as Innova full color stamping. Same process but Innova owns the rights to it.

I have found the only rocs that I can throw effectively are the ching rocs. Even brand new, the Rancho and Ontario DX rocs (domey) flip for me. I have to release them with a 30degree hyzer to get them to flip up and fly straight. The ching rocs I do not have to put that much hyzer on and it will still fade left for me. However the Glow DX rocs will fade left, but that is only after they slow down prior to flipping over and turning right.



If thats the case, than its probably a technique issue. Brand new DX Rocs shouldn't flip like that. I can put everything I got into new ones and they don't turn over unless I try to turn them over. I can only throw them around 300-325' though. My guess is that you probably are fluttering them a little bit???

The "World's Biggest Disc Golf Weekend" Rocs from the 2 most recent years have been white flat~top Rocs with a Ching-like feel...must be the Innova full color stamping!

That's wrong rickb...Innova does not 'own' the rights to the CHING� Full Color process... the technology was licensed, and remains proprietary.

You might also count the Bomb, Sniper, Stinger, and Tank as CHING� plastic...that is, if you count Millennium as Millennium plastic. Not that I do.

Thanks to Kjell for his interview (http://www.discgolfsweden.se/artiklar.aspx ).

That's wrong rickb.... Innova does not 'own' the rights to the CHING� Full Color process... the technology was licensed, and remains proprietary.




Holgate,
So do they still use the process?
And was the CHING� stamp always done on just regular DX plastic? Why would they feel different?
Thanks,
Matt

I believe there's a thin superficial coating involved to enable the full color stamp to 'take'...as DX plastic is notoriously bad at accepting dyes.
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That's wrong rickb.... Innova does not 'own' the rights to the CHING� Full Color process... the technology was licensed, and remains proprietary.



You just love wanting to prove me wrong. It's ok. I proved my point last time. Guess I should have worded it differently in the fact that at Innova it is no longer referred to as a "ching" stamping practice.

Keep the Mojo going. :Doops guess that's something else not associated with Ching anymore.

So do they still use the process?
And was the CHING� stamp always done on just regular DX plastic? Why would they feel different?



Matt, it appears that Innova is still using the original process we discovered. The DX plastic 'accepted' the ink better than other plastics for this particular mix of materials & application. It all involves heat, pressure, additives, and ink (not dye - that was one of the problems we solved early on). The combination of which is quite capable of altering the character of a golf disc, from feel to flight...I suspect that is why they became, and still are, recognized as 'CHING' Rocs, etc.

Ching STAMPED Rocs are the flattest rocs Ive ever thrown. And they hold up really well also, alot better than the standard DX rocs stamped with factory stamps etc. But I have also found FLAT rocs stamped with tourney stamps etc that are just as flat or flatter. I just love a flat roc, feels better in my hand and always seems to be more overstable.

BTW.. 3 posts in a row from all people with 11/03/03 Registration dates :).. too bad i didn't get right in under that.

"I suck" Scott

I think that is when they started this current form of the board so everybody had to register again. If you take another look you will notice many people share that registration date.

I think that is when they started this current form of the board so everybody had to register again. If you take another look you will notice many people share that registration date.

Correct. You can find the previous, non-UBB incarnation of the DISCussion Board here (http://web.archive.org/web/20030626191202/www.pdga.com/message_board.php).