Anyone had a chance to throw one? What discs is this comparable too? I'm interested to hear some reviews of it.

If it was released first on friday for sale I would assume not many if any have theirs yet. I can tell you though that the champion starfires fly nice.

Got mine today, but haven't thrown them yet. Plastic feels really nice.

I really like the CFR starfires, I am curious to try these new ones.

Flynvegas,
let us know how the Pro is compared to the Champ Starfire?

I've only thrown the first run Starfire from the Worlds. Didn't like it as a driver, used it for thumbers until my rotator cup starting hurting. I was the only one at the park this morning with these, traded one for a mint Coupe.

They came late so I didn't have time to test.

My sources at Innova say that they fly 50ft farther than any other disc available. No BS.

Champ Starfire is my primary driver. cant wait to throw pro starfire!

Will this be a regular release or a fundraiser???

reg release i believe

i use CFR Starfires all the time, but i got my pro lines in the mail to test out and they go a good 50-60ft farther than anything else i throw, but they are less stable than the CFR models. but for my money the farthest flying disc that innova makes
MJ #20300

Sounds really interresting :p !!!!

does anyone know if Innova improved the Pro plastic since they ran the first pro orcs? These orcs were horrible and floppy. One tree its a valk, another a leopard, and so on.

They changed the plastic after the Tbirds came out.

The pro plastic makes everything less overstable.

They changed the plastic after the Tbirds came out.

The pro plastic makes everything less overstable.



That, and I thought he was refering to how crappy the plastic was.

I came close to ordering an x-out starfire, but passed on it... so I'm anxious to get a pro one

does anyone know if Innova improved the Pro plastic since they ran the first pro orcs? These orcs were horrible and floppy. One tree its a valk, another a leopard, and so on.



Yes, they did. The second version of the Pro Orcs were alot more durable.They still are flippy in winds if you dont have a real smooth motion, or flippy if you oversnap. I carry one for downwind distance. They go as far as any disc Ive thrown when they do hold the line.

They changed the plastic after the Tbirds came out.

The pro plastic makes everything less overstable.



That, and I thought he was refering to how crappy the plastic was.



The Pro Beasts are awesome. The plastic is very durable. I smacked a tree in full stride 30 ft out and nothing happened. They fly very similiar to the Pro Line Beast.

I can't wait till I get my Pro Stafires!!!!

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They fly straiter then Pro Lines. I was suprised at how strait it was.I hit a tree also, and no damage or flight changes.

How does this plastic compare to that of a KC Pro Roc? Thanks

Anyone know where to actually buy one of these - I'd love to throw a Starfire again.

Zone Driven has them.

https://www.zonedriven.com/proshop/

I bought mine at Zonedriven.com (https://www.zonedriven.com/proshop/) .

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Thanks - just ordered mine, and I'll be throwing it soon - just not soon enough...

I saw someone throwing it today at Vista (the Memorial). It seemed to fly a lot like a crush, flips at first then hyzers out. This will definitely be a good Distance driver, with a lot of glide. Very straight flyer...

I threw a 172g Red Pro Starfire this afternoon. I was very happy with it's flight, a little further than my Champ Orc. Will be in my bag for more testing.
I also tried the DX Orc, was happy with it as well.

do the pro starfires have more dome than the latest CFR starfires?

didnt know they were coming out with one but i am sure it nice but they need to come out with a champion that is not a fund raising disc and you have to pay 20 bucks for.

You can get champion x-outs for $15

do the pro starfires have more dome than the latest CFR starfires?



They seem to have less dome than an Orc, A very flat top

Does any one know if the pro's are the new mold or the old mold. The old mold looks like a monster, the new mold looks like an orc.

I would say that it's a new mould. I would call it a starfire "L". These babies are going to change things for some. They are the straightest, longest driver that I've ever thrown.

Maybe you guys should go to the ask Dave thread for exact info....

I would say that it's a new mould. I would call it a starfire "L". These babies are going to change things for some. They are the straightest, longest driver that I've ever thrown.

Maybe you guys should go to the ask Dave thread for exact info....



Here is a quote from Dave..."Jaymo, for Champion plastic, the 2nd run Starfire is most like a TeeBird. The first run was harder to assess as it either did a hyzer or turned and stayed. The Pro Starfire is more like an Orc with less fade. Neither Starfire has as much turn as a Beast."

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The Pro editions are definitely more domey than the CFRs. I haven't even thrown mine yet, but how can this disc be considered a Starfire? I am not trying to slam Innova, as they populate the majority of my bag, but the appearance of the two discs, Pro & CFR, would never lead me to believe they were from the same mold. All things considered, I am still waaaaaaay pumped to see these bad boys fly!!!!

Zone Driven/Innova lists weights down to 165g. Anybody seeing any this light or lighter?

I find with the new Pro plastic that I have to throw heavier discs. They feel 2-3 grams lighter than what they are.

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According to the flight ratings, the Pro Starfire is similar to the Viking, but with '1' more Speed and '1' more glide. Are there any Viking throwers out there who have tried the Pro Starfire and find this to be correct?

I throw both and yes the Starfire has more speed and more glide than the Viking. I will keep both in my bag.

My lightest is a 167, from Zonedriven

Just got an e-note back from ZD and lighter weights not available at present. Thanks everybody.

Got 174 g white with rainbow stamped.. it really fly far than others. I love it :D

Has anyone had a chance to test the dx Orc against the Pro Starfire yet? I would love to know how they compare in a head-to-head competition...

Has anyone had a chance to test the dx Orc against the Pro Starfire yet? I would love to know how they compare in a head-to-head competition...



me too!!

I got two yellow 174g starfakes. I don't see how innova gets away with calling this disc a starfire. One the other hand it flies nice and striate if I throw it with hyzer. All in all I think it flies like a DX beast which makes this disc nothing specials in my opinion. I hope they don't make this the new CFR run.

They already retooled the starfire mold before the USDGC. The Starfires the players got in their packages was the new mold.

the starfire flies straighter, and goes almost 40 feet further (for me) than the dx beast. special enough for me to buy some.

i have thrown an orange one from the USDGC that had a lot more fade than any orc or beast i've seen. i love the retool and can't wait to try it in the pro plastic.

The starfire that I got in my players pack at the usdgc was not the same as the new pro ones. It is much closer to a champ orc with the concaved rim. The pro SF has more of an L rim like the TL teebird.

Same, different, new mold, re-mold, imposter.......I do not care. These dudes fly far. I'm a flyweight arm generally preferring 150ish plastic in my drivers. With only upper 160's available I picked up a couple of 168 Pro-SF's and am consistently throwing them as far and generally farther than my 158-160 Champ Orcs. Man I sure do hope they can mold these things consistently down into the low 160's or 150 somethings. Believe!!!

i love my candy starfire, just ordered a pro starfire last night.

: ) :

I bought a Pro this weekend and liked it so much I immediately turned around and bought a champion. Its the perfect gap disc between an Orc and a Firebird/Monster in the wind. Cranked hard they go straight with a predictable fade. In a headwind I could trust them not to flip like my orcs were but didn't give up a lot of D by having to go to the firebird. The pro is definitely a little less overstable than the champion (which I think is before the tool mod) but not really by too much.

The pro and the candy fund raiser are not the same disc. All you have to do is flip it over and look at the rim. You will love the pro one though. Flys flat and straight without to much turnover, and will come back at the end of the flight.

How's the durability on this particular blend, or should I say, how much candy is in the mix?

Last week I threw around 350-380ft smack into the base of a tree which kicked it STRAIGHT back a good 20-30ft. When I checked for dings or scuffs, there was hardly even a mark - one wipe of a towel and it was like I had a brand new disc again. These new Starfires are awesome in all respects IMO.

I have to agree with Rock. I played Vegas and the Memorial with these discs and they held up pretty good. You will go thru them faster than the CE plastic. At least after hitting a couple of trees it only lost a little stability.

-Ok so I went out today with 3 pro starfires, 1 pro orc, 1 dx orc, 1 domey first run champ orc, and one latter run champ orc (flat top)
-all discs are 175g
-the pro orc and the domey champ orc are a little beat up (7/10 on the used scale) everything else brand new (or really close)
-All of this is in light to moderate winds; throwing ~425-450' drives.

IMO: the fastest disc was the dx orc, the discs with the most glide were the pro starfires. The most overstable disc was the flat topped champ orc, and the least was the pro orc.

While the dx, and pro orcs did get a lot of distance, they required about twice the fairway width as the starfires. Said another way, the starfires held a much tighter line without sacrificing any length. Even into the wind, the high speed turn was close to that of a teebird (probably a little more) but had less fade than the orcs.

hope this helps all you people out there... :D

Okay I went out this weekend and throw the new starfires once again and found that if I throw the disc 40-50ft in the air it gave it enough time to flatten up and fly. They seem to have an uncanny ability to hold the anhyzer line (well that about all they do for me). I did throw some of them around 440ft with the wind and 360ft against the wind. These new starfires are just to under stable to be a good all around disc for me.

Without a doubt, the Pro Starfire is the farthest flying disc I have come across.

Golfers that already throw far may overpower it, but for me, a 173g Pro Starfire is the longest driver in my bag. It will do a tight reverse 'S' by waggling, then gently returning back to center as it runs out of steam.

I've been using them on mostly open holes and have kept them away from trees, so I can't comment on their durability. Additionally, I haven't thrown them into a significant headwind, which I would imagine would turn them into cut rollers.

Your mileage may vary, but I'm chucking this disc like no other before.

I agree! I have smacked a few trees pretty hard and no change yet!! however i carry a backup just in case!! :D

I picked up a CFR '03 SF last night (my 1st CFR SF experience)...is VERY flat and significantly more overstable...and is a GREAT LOW-flier. Feels really good 'in-the-hand'.

I have been throwing the Pro Starfire for about 2 weeks now. I haven't quite got it down pat yet but I am throwing it about 10-20 feet past most disc but unable to get it farther than my Champ Sidewinder yet. It is out flying my Pro Orc though. I have had 1 throw that it carried 425 ft for me and is now my new record throw there was a nice tail wind though.

I found a 168 pro starfire recently and have thrown it some. My observations:

Very straight flyer. Doesn't turn over well at all. This disc holds the line you put it on. It will turn over in a heavy headwind though.

Very domey.
Very long. Probably the longest disc I've thrown.
This one's a winner.

i think it turns over quite easy!!

I've been finding that while it can be turned over, it can be controlled and kept straight or even on a hyzer. If you're used to throwing overstable discs then it might be difficult to get used to.

I found a 168 pro starfire recently and have thrown it some. My observations:

Very straight flyer. Doesn't turn over well at all.



I find that curious, especially since it's a 168g disc, a lower weight. Maybe that disc is an anomaly in the run. How far do you normally drive on flat ground? I think that even golfers who don't throw very far and can't turn the Pro Starfire will likely achieve the same results - it just seems like the disc is that fast, with that much glide.

If you like the Pro Starfires, run don't walk to pick up a few of the Mid-Nationals gold fundraisers from www.gottagogottathrow.com (http://www.gottagogottathrow.com) I went out with Duvall at Winthrop yesterday and even he was impressed that this gold batch flew even better for him than the stock Pros. I overthrew a few holes like 16 at Riverview last weekend that stunned Pete May and Tom Monroe since they had never seen me get closer than the 10m circle before. I normally throw lighter than the 170g I had and hope our next fundraiser batch has some in the 160-165 range.

If you like the Pro Starfires, run don't walk to pick up a few of the Mid-Nationals gold fundraisers from www.gottagogottathrow.com (http://www.gottagogottathrow.com) I went out with Duvall at Winthrop yesterday and even he was impressed that this gold batch flew even better for him than the stock Pros. I overthrew a few holes like 16 at Riverview last weekend that stunned Pete May and Tom Monroe since they had never seen me get closer than the 10m circle before. I normally throw lighter than the 170g I had and hope our next fundraiser batch has some in the 160-165 range.



I just won a $8.50 auction on eBay for one of these Mid-Nationals Innova Pro Gold Starfire Fundraiser discs. What can I expect when I receive this 173g disc? Is it stable like a Champion Starfire? Or a little flippy, like regular Pro Starfires? (but with less durability) Or is it the best of both worlds, with the increased distance of a Pro Starfire but with a little extra durability like that a Champion Starfire?

If you like the Pro Starfires, run don't walk to pick up a few of the Mid-Nationals gold fundraisers from www.gottagogottathrow.com (http://www.gottagogottathrow.com) I went out with Duvall at Winthrop yesterday and even he was impressed that this gold batch flew even better for him than the stock Pros. I overthrew a few holes like 16 at Riverview last weekend that stunned Pete May and Tom Monroe since they had never seen me get closer than the 10m circle before. I normally throw lighter than the 170g I had and hope our next fundraiser batch has some in the 160-165 range.



I just won a $8.50 auction on eBay for one of these Mid-Nationals Innova Pro Gold Starfire Fundraiser discs. What can I expect when I receive this 173g disc? Is it stable like a Champion Starfire? Or a little flippy, like regular Pro Starfires? (but with less durability) Or is it the best of both worlds, with the increased distance of a Pro Starfire but with a little extra durability like that a Champion Starfire?



Have you thrown the Star Starfire ( SS ) yet ?

I have a few of those, and they throw and beat in exactly the same as a regular pro starfire in my experience.

The Star Starfire breaks in just like the pro starfire, or the star SL breaks in just like the pro starfire?

I haven't thrown the SS yet. The SL is like my broken in Pro Starfire. :D

The Star Starfire breaks in just like the pro starfire, or the star SL breaks in just like the pro starfire?



I think dfee was referring to the Mid-Nationals Innova Pro Gold Starfire Fundraiser discs breaking in just like a Pro Starfire. Because that's exactly what they are. :DFor some reason, I thought they were more durable plastic, but they are just gold colored Pro Starfires that might be a tad more stable than a normal Pro Starfire to start but break in just the same.

I will definitely have to get me some Star Starfires, which apparently offer increased durability.

I'm going to purchase a few of the new Star Starfires.

I've got a star SL in the bag right now, and I like it much better than the CFR SL. A lot more glide, and has that tiny bit more fade like the CFR SL when compared to the pro SL. It's still very easy to throw; the Star SL has kicked out my CFR SL for tunnel shots.

Wow !!!!! This is overstable.

Threw it a few times on some long holes at La Mirada.

Anhyzer Flex some. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Flew like a hyper firebird.

Star Starfires are overstable?

Well that's weird. That means they fly nothing like Pro Starfires or Champion Starfires.

I think that makes sense. The Pro Starfires are the SL mold, and aren't that overstable, same as the Star SLs. The SLs are great for booming S-curves. The Champ Starfires are the X mold and they are overstable with a lot of resistance to turn -- I found them to be a cross between a Teebird and a Firebird, just a lot longer. The Star plastic seems to be making everything more overstable, so the Star Starfire should pretty much be a meat hook. Will fly forever in a headwind though.

I think that makes sense. The Pro Starfires are the SL mold, and aren't that overstable, same as the Star SLs. The SLs are great for booming S-curves. The Champ Starfires are the X mold and they are overstable with a lot of resistance to turn -- I found them to be a cross between a Teebird and a Firebird, just a lot longer. The Star plastic seems to be making everything more overstable, so the Star Starfire should pretty much be a meat hook. Will fly forever in a headwind though.



Actually that does make sense, because I forgot that all the Champion Starfires I've thrown were all first runs and nice and straight. I also forgot that all 2nd run and later Champion Starfires are reportedly overstable.

If the Star Starfire is a meathook, I've got no use for it. I want a Starfire similar to the Pro Starfire that waggles and gives maximum glide and distance, but more durable.

Have you tried the Star SL yet, Jeff? Might be just what you need.

You heading up to Campgaw on Sunday?

yes, i think if they are overstable like u are saying this will be the first disc ive bought in a year or so. waiting for some graduation money so i can get one.

Read my above post about the star SL. It's slightly more low speed overstable, but has the same high speed very slightly understable (I'd put the numbers closer to (-1, 1.5). These things do glide forever, though.

I think that makes sense. The Pro Starfires are the SL mold, and aren't that overstable, same as the Star SLs. The SLs are great for booming S-curves. The Champ Starfires are the X mold and they are overstable with a lot of resistance to turn -- I found them to be a cross between a Teebird and a Firebird, just a lot longer. The Star plastic seems to be making everything more overstable, so the Star Starfire should pretty much be a meat hook. Will fly forever in a headwind though.



Actually that does make sense, because I forgot that all the Champion Starfires I've thrown were all first runs and nice and straight. I also forgot that all 2nd run and later Champion Starfires are reportedly overstable.

If the Star Starfire is a meathook, I've got no use for it. I want a Starfire similar to the Pro Starfire that waggles and gives maximum glide and distance, but more durable.



:D Well.................I wouldn't say it's a meat hook , but it does hold it's own into a headwind.!!!!!

Yes , it does hold hyzer at the end of it's flight , more than my star wraith and a few of my tee-rex's.

This particular Star Starfire has a very slight domey top and the center on the top has a slight raised cupola , if that makes any difference.

Yea , it's really fast alright !!!!!!

Like a Hyper Firebird or a really fast , long teebird x !!!!!

Opps................did I just name another disc ? :D

HF Starfire or TBX. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif