Innova has discontinued these as manufacturing them was difficult. Does anyone have any experience with the Champion models and their effectiveness as a roller? The second question is the weight of your Stingray for both you Champion and DX users. Do you go with your ususal midrange weight choice, your usual driver weight choice, or are you manly enough to roll the 180g?

Hey HG,

I didn't use the Champion Stingrays for very long, I like to use discs with the same rim style (or as close to possible) as my drivers. Therefore I switched to a Z express. I did find that the Stingrays rolled fine but I did not seem to get the same distance as I do with my expresses (370 to 400 feet vs 400 to 450 feet). That could just be me and I only experimented for a couple of months. I used 170 to 174 gram discs in both cases. I do on occasion still use a DX stingray but only because I can get it upright with a partial arm throw (useful when there are trees etc. blocking your arm motion).

Hey there Hawk. My experience was similar to Herr Ross. I really wanted to like the Champ version and had it in my bag for a while but couldn't find a consistent use for it that other discs didn't do better. By the way, I still and probably always will keep a beat DX Stingray in my bag primarily for mid-range turnovers that absolutely do not need to come back at the fadeout as well as situational rollers. I've gone completely to Sidewinders for long rollers.

A 140-gram Champion Stingray has been my wife's favorite driver for quite some time.

Thanks to this thread I'm putting it back in the bag. Cya on sunday river!!!!

I love Champion Stingrays (max weight) as a turnover midrange disc for tight courses. Most courses I play have a lot of trees so I tend to stick with candy plastic.

I think the Sidewinder is a better roller, but will miss the Champ. Stingray.

Yeah, I agree with robj, I used mine as a midrange turnover disc, and it worked great for that. Really, it was pretty good at holding whatever line you threw it on. Mine was a sweet Texas flag dye, that fell out of my bag, and got lost. I was planning to get another one, but it sounds like it may be too late. :confused:

Hey Hawk, Mr Bill here. I looked forward to getting a champion stingray, because I have used dx stingrays for shorter touch rollers for years. Unfortunately, the first champ stingray I got was too soft for rolling, it had a tendency to buckle when landing, especially big air rollers. I recently got a few max weight which seem stiffer, but I havent had a chance to try them. Champ stingrays seem better than dx for airshots though, they seem to glide better. They are good for airshots where a valkryie would be too long.

Interesting comments gentlemen. Seems like many of you are still throwing airshots with the Stingray, and not simply relegating it to roller duty. That leads me to a second question. (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=325651&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=1&fpart=1)

I don't have nearly the success rolling Champion Stingrays as DX Stingrays. Maybe it's because I can't grip the CE plastic as well. DX Stingrays roll better because if you get the angle too flat, they will still always try to stand up, giving acceptable distance. Whereas a Champion Stingray will just cut.

I am reluctant to use DX Stingrays for airshots because they don't glide very well, even if released with a lot of hyzer. Their tendency to turn is too strong. Whereas, a Champion Stingray will turn, flatten out, and glide extremely well. Released with a lot of hyzer, you can also get Champion Stringrays to hyzer flat flip and not turn over, where that shot is much touchier with DX plastic.

I don't have nearly the success rolling Champion Stingrays as DX Stingrays. Maybe it's because I can't grip the CE plastic as well. DX Stingrays roll better because if you get the angle too flat, they will still always try to stand up, giving acceptable distance. Whereas a Champion Stingray will just cut.

I am reluctant to use DX Stingrays for airshots because they don't glide very well, even if released with a lot of hyzer. Their tendency to turn is too strong. Whereas, a Champion Stingray will turn, flatten out, and glide extremely well. Released with a lot of hyzer, you can also get Champion Stringrays to hyzer flat flip and not turn over, where that shot is much touchier with DX plastic.

I agree.

I like my Sidewinder for longer shots now. I use my Champion Stingray as a midrange on tight and/or wooded holes. I better buy an extra one or two. :eek:

I have had about 20 dx stingrays now. I always carry at least 3 of them while in play. 1 new, 1 used, 1 beat to crap. A stingray is one of the best discs ever made. I am yet to throw the champion plastic, but it looks like i better buy one soon before they are gone.

I throw stingrays for airshot midrange and turnovers all the time. Who said a stingray doesn't glide? The DX glide for me forever. They are wonderful.

Ditto for me, Scorpion. I have a 6 yr. old beat yellow Stingray in my bag which I use for rollers and turnovers. Since I don't have a forhand in my reportois, it substitutes very nicely for those kind of shots (left to right).I would be severely emotionally distraught if I ever lost the sucker. :eek: