Does there exist a Canonical List of Rocs? If not, can we try to put one together here? I think it's the kind of thing that should eventually become a Wikipedia entry.

I've been brainstorming attributes for the list. It's tough, because some Roc variations are notable for their Stamp, some for their Mold, yet others are known by their stamp but are really distinguished by their Mold.

I'm not much of an authority on this, but I think it would be cool to have. Here is what I'm thinking to get us started. Now, where are the experts?

<table border="1"><tr><td> Mold</td><td>Stamp</td><td>Plastic</td><td>Color</td><td>Name</td><td>Years</td><td>NumProduced</td><td>AuctionValue</td><td>AuctionType</td><td>AuctionDate
</td></tr><tr><td>Small Diameter Original</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>Original Roc Type 1</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Small Diameter Original</td><td>Football</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>Football Roc</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Torque Resistant</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>Torque Resistant</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Old 180</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>Old 180</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Original San Marino</td><td>Wings&amp;Rings</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>Wings&amp;Rings</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Original Ontario</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Classic</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Blunt</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>Proto Innova Bar</td><td>--</td><td>Off White</td><td>Rancho Proto</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Old Big Bead</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>2001 USDGC</td><td>CE</td><td>Yellow</td><td>2001 CE Roc</td><td>2001</td><td>--</td><td>$200 </td><td>Mint</td><td>late 2004
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>Zonedriven</td><td>Clear CE</td><td>Colorless</td><td>2001 Zonedriven CE Roc</td><td>2001</td><td>~40</td><td>$530 </td><td>Mint</td><td>early 2005
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>2002 USDGC</td><td>CE</td><td>--</td><td>2002 CE Roc</td><td>2002</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>2003 USDGC</td><td>CE</td><td>--</td><td>2003 CE Roc</td><td>2003</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>Grafitti</td><td>CE</td><td>--</td><td>2004 Grafitti CE Roc</td><td>2004</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>Bird</td><td>CE</td><td>--</td><td>2004 Bird CE Roc</td><td>2004</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>Barry/Ken</td><td>Glow CE</td><td>--</td><td>2004 CE Glow</td><td>2004</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>Spectator</td><td>CE</td><td>Many</td><td>2005 CE Spectator</td><td>2004</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>Tribal</td><td>CE</td><td>Many</td><td>2005 Tribal</td><td>2005</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>Flagstick</td><td>CE</td><td>Many</td><td>2005 Flagstick</td><td>2005</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>Bird</td><td>Special Blend</td><td>Many</td><td>2005 Special Blend</td><td>2005</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>2005 USDGC</td><td>Glow CE</td><td>--</td><td>2005 Glow</td><td>2005</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>8x</td><td>Pro</td><td>--</td><td>8x</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>9x</td><td>Pro</td><td>--</td><td>9x</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>10x</td><td>Pro</td><td>--</td><td>10x</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Sharp</td><td>11x</td><td>Pro</td><td>--</td><td>11x</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Blunt</td><td>--</td><td>SE</td><td>--</td><td>SE Roc</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td>Rancho Blunt</td><td>--</td><td>SE</td><td>--</td><td>Super Roc</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--</td><td>--
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

You forgot me man! Redroc

The special blends are te Ontario mold. You need to add the Ontario mold to the list.

There were 1000 spectator 2005 rocs made.

Also add triple rings, both Ontario and San Marino. There should also be some sort of breakdown in the Sannies and the Ontarios as far as domes and plastic blends. There were Sannies that were the original flat tops that were extremely hard plastic that had one flight then closer to the end of the Sannies there were some that had a big dome and were a softer blend that had a totally different flight.

You've taken on one heck of a task here that will probably bring about a good bit of controversy. I do wish you the best of luck tho.

just curious, how do you tell the difference between double and triple ringed SM's and ontarios?

just curious, how do you tell the difference between double and triple ring SM's and ontarios?

Dunipace should be the guy to have the answer for that.
In fact, you would figure Innova would have one of everything they've ever made, right?

cool idea. i think the original rocs were known as the "wings and rings rocs though.and they have a little 8 on the stamp. most san marino rocs have the bird stamp as far as i've seen, and are more like the rocs of today....

What about all the KC rocs 8x, 9x, 10x, 11x, No Time, rainbow bar stamped proto Rancho Roc, Super Roc, CE Classic Roc

The special blends are te Ontario mold. You need to add the Ontario mold to the list.


Why do they say Rancho on the bottom?

# of Rings around the nipple. What about big writing, small writing, perforated nipple..........monumental task

The special blends are te Ontario mold. You need to add the Ontario mold to the list.


Why do they say Rancho on the bottom?



because if i am right....the location on the bottom only tells you where the disc was made :) I think even dave said the SBs were supposed to be patterned after the ontario mold.

Small diameter wings and rings first produced in 86, a few months before the Canada Worlds. The only color I remember was orange with the wings and rings stamp. I believe they were triple ring San Marino.

The special blends are te Ontario mold. You need to add the Ontario mold to the list.


Why do they say Rancho on the bottom?



look on the ask dave thread, hes says they are the ontario mold even though they say rancho

monumental task



Oh, I KNOW it's a monumental task. But I think it's worthy of the effort. :)

I also KNOW that I'm not the guy to do it. My list was just an example. I don't know that much about Rocs. But with the collective knowledge out there, I'll bet a close attempt could be made.

Sitting down with Dave would be a great start. Any volunteers?

The graffiti and big bird stamps were 2003 Champion rocs. There were 2 other stamps too, One Division, and a Zonedriven. 04 had 4 stamps too plus glow.

The special blends are te Ontario mold. You need to add the Ontario mold to the list.


Why do they say Rancho on the bottom?


How did a collector like yourself miss this one? :D

What are "Old 180"

hehe - even Dave isn't "fully" reliable. As he stated the first original mold rocs were released in summer of 86 prior to Worlds in Canada. Actually that was summer of 87 - prior to Worlds in Toronto. The first ones had the "football" stamp, were fairly stiff, and came mostly in an off white color (I don't remember seing any football stamps on colored discs - but I was brand new back then). Shortly thereafter - the "wings n rings" stamp became the factory standard, and they came in yellow, orange, pink, and white. This lasted a whopping year and a half before the "new mold" roc was released. These were the original San Marinos, and also had the "wings n rings" stamp - don't remember all the colors available - other than there were more. I do remember (and still covet) a sweet run of "bubble gum pink" that I had to go through over 500 rocs - just to get 3 or 4 of. Very nice. The early run of SM's were not really stiff, or really flat. Around 1990 - they started running much stiffer rocs, and in '90/91 they had the best run of hard flat top rocs. Plastic blend changes yielded some domier versions of the SM's into '93 - and there was a softer mix about that time, but then came the Ontario Rocs......

Small diameter wings and rings first produced in 86, a few months before the Canada Worlds. The only color I remember was orange with the wings and rings stamp. I believe they were triple ring San Marino.


I have 2 :D Why aren't these discs worth a MINT? They are the original dinasaurs

monumental task



Oh, I KNOW it's a monumental task. But I think it's worthy of the effort. :)

I also KNOW that I'm not the guy to do it. My list was just an example. I don't know that much about Rocs. But with the collective knowledge out there, I'll bet a close attempt could be made.

Sitting down with Dave would be a great start. Any volunteers?



Well if someone will send me one of each roc I'll keep up with it! :D It's a tough job but someone has to do it. NOW SEND ME YOUR ROCS! :D

Dunipace should be the guy to have the answer for that.
In fact, you would figure Innova would have one of everything they've ever made, right?


You would think, but Dave isn't a collector. I believe Mark Molnar at discgolfvaluse.com has one of every Innova disc made.

From what I remember is the very first run small diameter SM Roc was 168g bright orange with Football stamp,. I've also got first run with Huntington Beach stamp and one from Vegas with Fantasy Flyer. My '87 Worlds Roc is white. These broke fairly easily like the old XD's did. I still use a Football first run for approaches.

The rare pink glow larger SM Roc's are very sweet. DTW and Snapper sold these. I've also got a purple glow SM Roc. My favorite Roc stamps were the DTW bird stamp and IFO skull stamp.

Roc on.

hehe - even Dave isn't "fully" reliable. As he stated the first original mold rocs were released in summer of 86 prior to Worlds in Canada. Actually that was summer of 87 - prior to Worlds in Toronto. The first ones had the "football" stamp, were fairly stiff, and came mostly in an off white color (I don't remember seing any football stamps on colored discs - but I was brand new back then). Shortly thereafter - the "wings n rings" stamp became the factory standard, and they came in yellow, orange, pink, and white. This lasted a whopping year and a half before the "new mold" roc was released. These were the original San Marinos, and also had the "wings n rings" stamp - don't remember all the colors available - other than there were more. I do remember (and still covet) a sweet run of "bubble gum pink" that I had to go through over 500 rocs - just to get 3 or 4 of. Very nice. The early run of SM's were not really stiff, or really flat. Around 1990 - they started running much stiffer rocs, and in '90/91 they had the best run of hard flat top rocs. Plastic blend changes yielded some domier versions of the SM's into '93 - and there was a softer mix about that time, but then came the Ontario Rocs......



I've been playing disc golf for about 7 years now and I have been an Innova guy the whole time ... but I have no idea what language Craiger is speaking :confused: :p :D

monumental task



Oh, I KNOW it's a monumental task. But I think it's worthy of the effort. :)

I also KNOW that I'm not the guy to do it. My list was just an example. I don't know that much about Rocs. But with the collective knowledge out there, I'll bet a close attempt could be made.

Sitting down with Dave would be a great start. Any volunteers?



Well if someone will send me one of each roc I'll keep up with it! :D It's a tough job but someone has to do it. NOW SEND ME YOUR ROCS! :D


I volunteer to take on this monumental task. Please send 1 each of all types of Rocs to me, and I'll do my best to throw them, I mean list them in order :D

Why are modern Classic Rocs called "Classic Rocs"? Were they the original Rocs before they became the mold that we all know and love?

Classic refers to the small mold diameter as oppossed to the larger mold used on what is today refered to as the "Roc". Classic tops out @ 175 grams and contemporary (for lack of a better term) goes as heavy as 180.

The original small diameter Roc was only out for 2 years at the most. Then several years later they came back as the Classic Roc. Just like when the original Aero was remolded to make the Phenix, and then years later they came back as the Classic Aero. Demand for a good disc brought these back.

Thanks for the explanations

Danny,

Come by the house - and I'll give you a roc lesson, an Aero lesson, an Aviar lesson, a fastback lesson - geez - I better get some beer first :)
Might take a while!!

I might have to take you up on that one Craig!

Dunipace should be the guy to have the answer for that.
In fact, you would figure Innova would have one of everything they've ever made, right?


You would think, but Dave isn't a collector. I believe Mark Molnar at discgolfvaluse.com has one of every Innova disc made.



No such site exists, perhaps a misspelling?

Sorry, that's discgolfvalues.com

Is that supposed to be CHRONOLOGICAL?

Dunipace should be the guy to have the answer for that.
In fact, you would figure Innova would have one of everything they've ever made, right?


You would think, but Dave isn't a collector. I believe Mark Molnar at discgolfvaluse.com has one of every Innova disc made.



No such site exists, perhaps a misspelling?



I can also help with information on the Roc , since I have most of every type. Dave and Mark though are excellent sources. They both know me as well..... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif