Just curious !! If so maybe they can relay a message for him to update his Website. In particular his 2005 Tour Schedule.

I have time to travel and would love to see where "the King" is playing so I could watch him in a Tournament. I am a newbie to Disc Golf and want to see the best play !!

Perplexed why a Human Being would have a Website and NOT Update his schedule and we are entering already 3rd month of the year???

And don't tell me its because of time or busy schedule. Thats being a cop out !!

Makes me really not have an interest in seeing him play. It seems like he really doesn't care about Fans or may just take them for granted !!

sounds like that eminem song!!

does your name happen to be STAN? :D:D

"Anyone know Ken Climo ??"

I've heard of him.

does your name happen to be STAN? :D:D



i got his autograph on starter cap!!!

He posts on here every once in a while, but I doubt he will to your post!! :o

haha!! starter cap...thats funny... :D

really its not so bad!!!

kenny hasn't posted on here in about a year.....

"Anyone know Ken Climo ??"

" I've heard of him. "



Ha [email protected] , I mean tree wappper.
What an intelligent and insightful reply !! :)

Good going Chief :cool:

What an intelligent and insightful reply !!



ditto

Since you have no interest in seeing him play anymore, why should he answer you?
I can tell you that Ken is no web designer, his site is handled for him, so maybe it's not his fault. How many other sites haven't been updated in months/years?
Come to AZ in 10 days. Or World's or USDGC. It's not hard to figure out. Most tourneys even have pre-reg lists up so you know who's going to be there.
Above all, as a newbie, SHOW SOME RESPECT!!!!

Above all, as a newbie, SHOW SOME RESPECT!!!!



WORD!!!!!!!!!

You MIGHT be a tree wapper one day, and I'll be right here if you ever make it that far, but with your attitude and true lack of humor/respect you may be the first lurker ever booted, enjoy your one star JERK! :)

Ken Climo doesn't owe the fans anything. We as disc golfers should thank Kenny for helping to bring this great game to the level that we are at, and for being one of the best ambassadors our sport will ever see. As Tafe refered to, he probably doesn't design his own website. I do know Ken personally and I can tell you that he is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet! He is very willing to talk and share golf stories and strategy when he is available. If you chose not to want to see him play, then you will be missing a legend in flight. :D

" Above all, as a newbie, SHOW SOME RESPECT!!!! "

" Word "




Wow !! What A great Attitude !! Actually above all, as a seasoned
player , you ought to SHOW MORE RESPECT . And be more positive towards "newbies" like me who are considering to play this Sport on a regular basis and start getting his family and friends to start playing also.

Thats how you make a Sport grow. Not talking condescending to someone who is considering on taking up the Sport. As a newbie who says I have to give you respect ?? Your the ones who are the Beacons for the Sport and part of being an Ambassador to the Sport is learning how to strategically get more people involved in a positive and user friendly manner !!! I do not see that happening with your Attitude !!!

And to you dude who says Ken Climo doesn't owe anything to the Fans. You need to take a Public Relations and Marketing 101 Course !!
First of all bottom line is the more fans who come out and pay to watch the Pros, the bigger their paychecks. The more fans and players who buy KC Rocs the more goes into Climo's pockets. I could go on and on dude. The only reason why Climo and Schultz can do this Full time is because of the fans. If they did not have the Fan base the Pots would be smaller and the Sponsorships would be nil. Innova knows that a huge group of Fans will always follow Climo at a Tournament and they know these fans will see he is throwing their Brand. Which long term means more sales to Innova. So they can pay Climo decent Sponsorship money. And it all goes back to the fan base.
Thats bottom line dude. So think before you say stuff like that.

" enjoy your one star JERK! "

LMAO !!

I gosh I am so hurt that I am only a one star.

[email protected] I guess being a three star really makes your Life complete doesn't it ?? :)

Kind of compensates for those other areas that you have major shortcomings in :o

Get my drift :D HEHEEHEHEEHEHE

First of all bottom line is the more fans who come out and pay to watch the Pros, the bigger their paychecks.



If you didnt know this you dont have to PAY to watch a disc golf tournament. Also Climo and Barry can do it full time because they bring in close to 40 Grand a year with their disc sales and winning and sponsor bonuses. Lastly its almost Impossible to throw Innova and not buy a disc with ken Climos name on it. I think ALL champion TeeBird and Firebirds have his name on them. Then ALL KC Rocs have his name on them. Then KC Aviars have his name on them. Do you know how much Kenny and Barry make on each disc that is sold with their name on it??? Maybe 25 cents. So even if 10000 Klimo discs are sold in a year he only makes 2500 dollars off that.

Maybe if you hadnt come out with some bad things to say about our sports best player and not bee flagerant and aggresive to him on YOUR FIRST POST on the board then maybe we would have had a little more respect for you but since you just came on and popped your mouth off like a little child i would say you got what you deserved and if your like that in person i dont want you playing my sport anyway.

Thanks and try to have a little more respect for other people.

is this him
http://brett.cmdx.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=abstract&id=Matchu

you just came on and popped your mouth off like a little child i would say you got what you deserved and if your like that in person i dont want you playing my sport anyway.

Thanks and try to have a little more respect for other people.



Wow. It is either "Pot, meet Mr Kettle", or we can expect to see Pimp Revision 2.0 - a new and improved discussion board citizen. Hopefully option #2.

Wow !! What A great Attitude !! Actually above all, as a seasoned
player , you ought to SHOW MORE RESPECT . And be more positive towards "newbies" like me who are considering to play this Sport on a regular basis and start getting his family and friends to start playing also.

Thats how you make a Sport grow. Not talking condescending to someone who is considering on taking up the Sport.



If you base your decision to play a sport based on the attitudes of a few people on the internet then you really dont have the desire to play this sport as much as you think you do.

He'll be playing the Melbourne NT (Fla.) tournament in April.

Too bad Worlds isn't combined this year as it was last year...that would be a big convincing reason to attend--just to see the top pro card when I wouldn't be playing myself. Maybe next year?!?

" If you didnt know this you dont have to PAY to watch a disc golf tournament. "

First of all you better think before you spout off. The US Open Disc Golf Championship charges daily for Admission and even charges up to $50 for the VIP Package. So to sit there and say it cost nothing to watch Disc Golf is false. The biggest tournament does and incidentally that is where the BIGGEST payout for the Pros is.
If Barry makes $40,000 in one year 1/4 of it is earned at the USDGC if he wins. And they can pay that because of admission fees, Disc sales etc...... Which ALL Leads to the Fans who fork out the money.

" Also Climo and Barry can do it full time because they bring in close to 40 Grand a year with their disc sales and winning and sponsor bonuses."

I guess people like you should stick with throwing a Frisbee and NOT try to figure how a Business environment functions! You people just don't get it !! The $40,000 or so only is possible because of the popularity of the Sport and the players and fans who support it thru National Tourney Admission fees, PDGA yearly dues, buying Discs etc...... Once again it comes back to the Fans and players ( who many are Fans )

I

creekside,

You should get a better grip on just where the money comes from.

1. The USDGC is the only tournament that charges a spectator admission fee, and that is returned immediately to the person in value as a teeshirt or a disc. The VIP package has well more than $50 in value when you consider the pre-sale Rocs, etc. Nothing to the purse there.

2. No PDGA yearly dues go toward tournament purses.

3. The bulk of all prize money comes from the entry fees that the players pay to the tournaments. Some higher level tournaments raise some sponsorship moneys, and some make profits on prize distribution to the Amateur divisions and roll that into pro purses.

PDGA Sanctioned tournaments are locally promoted and administered. The Association sets standards at each tier level and expects the tournament director to meet them. The local promoters are the ones that organize the registration, media coverage, course amenities, and tournament format. Though disc manufacturers may help with some sponsorship programs, they do not pour money into prize purses, as you seem to think.

Ken Climo is a very approachable person, as is Barry Schultz, as are just about any of the top pros. Show them some respect and you'll get a lot back. The PDGA Tour schedule is posted elsewhere on this website. Ken, Barry, and the rest of the touring pros are generally playing the National Tour events and filling the weeks between at SuperTour (A-tier) tournaments.

Since you lack a profile, I can't tell you when they will be close to you. Rest assured that you won't have to pay an admission fee to watch them play when they are in your area. And the $5 Daily admission to the USDGC is well worth it: great golf and a neat disc. Bring your friends.

You say you are a newbie who wants to see the best play, complain that a disc golfer isn't updating his website, like that's all hes got to do. If you want to see the best golfers, just find the National Tour schedule and go to some of those events. Go to Scottsdale for the Memorial. I'm sure that Ken will be there. You won't have to pay to watch there, and you could always go up between rounds and talk to Ken, ask him where else he would be playing. Only I would suggest you not do it with such a bad attitude. He is as nice a guy as you will ever want to meet, which is much more than I can say about you, from what I have read. Hope this helps.

And he's whining about a $5/day entry fee to watch the USDGC. How pathetic is that. I'd pay 50 dollars a day to see that!

I think thats the first time i havent had to back up my own statements when someone made a comment about what i wrote :D

Creekside if your going to act like you already have on here i would rather you not be involved in our sport. We dont need anybody who thinks they are better then everyone else just because they have a bussiness degree or whatever you have. You not better then anyone else and you need to either chill out on your ACEHOLE behavior or just stop posting in general. I wouldnt mind if i never heard from you again and didnt ever see you at a PDGA even in my life. Hey why dont you come out to the Memorial and tell Kenny to his face that you think he is lazy for not updating the site that he doesnt even run. Im sure he would love that. I have met alot of pros on tour and Kenny is a **** nice guy as far as Super Pros go. Im sure he would be really happy to hear that YOU a freakin NEWBIE to the sport things that HE an 11 time world champion is lazy because his website doesnt get updated. If you want i can give him your name and number when i talk to him in AZ and ill tell him you think hes lazy and that he should update his website so you some whining newbie can follow him around and watch him play golf. Just PM me your name and number and Ill make sure Kenny gets it when i talk to him in AZ.

I think that this whole thing is way out of proportion.Creekside, get a life. You OBVIOUSLY don't know that much of the in's and out's of this sport. So before you come on here trying to act like some expert on the game, you best check your self before you wreck your self. :eek:

And he's whining about a $5/day entry fee to watch the USDGC. How pathetic is that. I'd pay 50 dollars a day to see that!



for real!! if my wife would let me i would fly there and get the complete experience probably cost me anywhere from 500-1000!! without a doubt , i would do it!!!!

y'all haters need to lay off creekside the newbie. sheesh, y'all act like he slapped climo in the mouth.

creekside, i respect your right to voice your opinion. i know kenny would laugh at the haters on this thread and update his website if he knew there were some folks who wanted to see where he was going.

You are the true hater on this thread so don't try to maker yourself look good. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

creekside,

You should get a better grip on just where the money comes from.

1. The USDGC is the only tournament that charges a spectator admission fee, and that is returned immediately to the person in value as a teeshirt or a disc. The VIP package has well more than $50 in value when you consider the pre-sale Rocs, etc. Nothing to the purse there.

2. No PDGA yearly dues go toward tournament purses.




Oh, how ironic, that a member of the PDGA Board of Directors tells creekside to "get a grip on where the money comes from", when apparently Lyksett, you don't even have a clue yourself. The Financial Report that I finally got the PDGA to send me shows that over $52,773.00 of the PDGA dues went to tournaments to supplement their purses in 2004. (USDGC, Worlds, NT, Masters Cup, etc.etc.)

Am i wrong on that Lyksett??? Or are you just that clueless about how our dues are spent? Keep up the good work, oh clueless puppet!

Scooter, you crack me up. You're awfully cocky for a sandbagger /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The Financial Report that I finally got the PDGA to send me shows that over $52,773.00 of the PDGA dues went to tournaments to supplement their purses in 2004. (USDGC, Worlds, NT, Masters Cup, etc.etc.)



Are you sure that those funds were from the yearly dues? Or, were they sanctioning fees and/or tournament player fees (or maybe other sources of revenue)?

what's the difference where the money comes from?

and i don't mind that the PDGA spent over 50k beefing up purses, but you'd think a BOD member would have a clue about where 10% of the budget went. You'd think that, but this is the PDGA after all, "the organization that care forgot".

That's some funny dookie.

It must be pathetic when hatred [towards some obscure sport sanctioning body and its volunteers, no less] is the only thing giving meaning to your existence.

I don't know a ton about accounting, but I do know that funds from different sources are allocated to different accounts. Then expenses are paid from those accounts. Specifically, membership money probably stays allocated to membership purposes and other income streams are allocated to other expenses.

It makes a huge difference in that it could make Jon's statement true and your accusations hollow.

On second thought, it sounds like you have a personal vendeta. So, maybe you should act with some professional courtesy and take up your issues in private.

A fine and deserving uppercut, Bruce!

I think that creek and underpar need to get a life. They charge 50 dollars for a VIP package? Have you ever been to any other sporting event? You pay way more than that and all you get is a hard stool to sit on. The USDGC is a huge event in which you can watch the best play. I want to see you follow Tiger Woods around for 50 bucks without getting arrested. Also I don't think anyone should say Ken owes anyone anything, does Creek have a website? Doesn't he owe something to his fans? I mean its crazy for anyone of any level to say that one of the best (if not best) of all time DGers is lazy because his third party website isn't up to date. He doesn't owe you a website period, much less is it is not his fault if its not up to your standards of punctuality. I could care less if creek is a newbie or has a world title himself. Ken Climo is a great DGer, that does not mean he should have the worlds best website.

It must be pathetic when hatred [towards some obscure sport sanctioning body and its volunteers, no less] is the only thing giving meaning to your existence.



it must be, puppet, it must be...but quit talking about LaGrassa like that! :D

did you forget to send my invitation to the Summit? how will y'all know what to do if i don't give you more ideas to steal?

I don't know a ton about accounting




you can say that again mp3 :D:D:D

there are several ways to balance books, including the one you describe. i don't have a personal vendetta, it's just a shame that the BOD passed me over for a vacant BOD seat a couple years ago and instead picked some old bat who won't rock the boat when the PDGA $$$ are doled out to the various friends &amp; family of those in power <font color="red">[Note: This is an unsupported allegation and untrue.] </font>. thank goodness they only get $55 from me every year, although it once was much less to be a member (before the big fee increases and consequent funds-wasting began)....but i digress. what was my point? oh yeah, it's high time the disc golf world wakes up to the fact that our biggest organization is pretty much run by <font color="red">[personal attack removed here] </font> who are afraid to debate anything with anyone because they think they have all the answers already, when in reality their lack of vision has already set the sport back many years. it's time to take a chance on new leadership.

I don't know a ton about accounting




you can say that again mp3 :D:D:D

there are several ways to balance books, including the one you describe. i don't have a personal vendetta, it's just a shame that the BOD passed me over for a vacant BOD seat a couple years ago and instead picked some old bat who won't rock the boat when the PDGA $$$ are doled out to the various friends & family of those in power. thank goodness they only get $55 from me every year, although it once was much less to be a member (before the big fee increases and consequent funds-wasting began)....but i digress. what was my point? oh yeah, it's high time the disc golf world wakes up to the fact that our biggest organization is pretty much run by close-minded fools like brakel who are afraid to debate anything with anyone because they think they have all the answers already, when in reality their lack of vision has already set the sport back many years. it's time to take a chance on new leadership.


I smell a revolt. Pick sides gentlemen... you will either be a revolutionary or a faithful. :D

" You say you are a newbie who wants to see the best play, complain that a disc golfer isn't updating his website, like that's all hes got to do. "

Ha packfan, on the contrary I know the guy probably doesn't have a whole lot of time to spend on his Website. But its nearly March already in 2005 and he still has 2004 schedule. Come on now !!!!

Lets be real guys. You go to any of your favorite Rock Groups on the Web and they alll have their current tour schedules and where they play. If someone was managing my Website I would be on his ***** everyday in December to have those dates in 2005 ready to put on the Site.

Honestly, maybe the guy doesn't really believe that there are people out there that will travel 200 miles just to see him play like me. Maybe it has not registered in is mind. And so he is a little complacent in his updating of the Website.

My initial posting may have seem harsh because I was frustrated in trying to find where he is playing.

I have heard from everyone he his a fantastic human Being. And its just a fact that I admire his unbelievable talent and want to see the best ever throw a Disc in a Live setting.

Go Ken Go !! . :cool:

happy b-day Pimpster!

Most rock groups make a living by selling tickets. Ken Climo makes his by being the premiere DGer on the planet. Ken isn't a rocker and doesn't have a PR assistant to get on the web guy to make a page all pretty. The fact that he even has a page is more than you should expect.

Did you ever consider that Ken might not have his ENTIRE schedule figured out. I mean he does have a son which can make it difficult to plan far ahead. The PDGA 2005 National Tour website wasn't even updated until 2-3 weeks ago!!!!! :eek:

the PDGA website's front page still has info on an event that ended over half a year ago. kinda gives the impression that disc golfers are too busy smoking dope to update the website doesn't it?

but what do i know, i'm not as cool as that brakel puppet.

Would the PDGA Commissioner and Executive Director please consider a lifetime ban on #14304 Mike Kernan for working against the principles of the PDGA, or injuring the good standing of another Active or Supporting member. That includes a ban from this message board as well.

He is a cancer that is sucking the life out of this organization.

the PDGA website's front page still has info on an event that ended over half a year ago. kinda gives the impression that disc golfers are too busy smoking dope to update the website doesn't it?



No, it really doesn't. A website update (or lack of update) does not lead me to believe that the hard-working volunteers who maintain the site "are too busy smoking dope", in fact it doesn't even make me think of smoking dope - you are the only dope who is drawing dopey conclustions! :eek: :p

What an assanine statement!

Given your obsession with the BOD and the ED, I believe they should be worried.

Would the PDGA Commissioner and Executive Director please consider a lifetime ban on #14304 Mike Kernan for working against the principles of the PDGA, or injuring the good standing of another Active or Supporting member. That includes a ban from this message board as well.

He is a cancer that is sucking the life out of this organization.



yawn. is that the best y'all got today? Lung, how about 'splainin that? a lifetime ban eh? i hope they DO consider it. they can even hold the hearing at the Summit where i can testify on my own behalf. will you be there to volunteer like i?

ya know, i've been to the first 2 pro supertours and volunteered to write stories about those tournaments so that the website could be updated, but again haven't gotten the go ahead from anyone to do that. i'll be in vegas this weekend where i could write something nice so that the disc golfing public won't have to read about the worlds for another 8 months---think these insecure puppets on the BOD can accept some volunteer help from someone with different ideas about disc golf than they hold? highly unlikely. <font color="red">[FYI, Mikey and I have been in contact and I have assured him that I want his help reporting on events but that recently my work is busy, my wife was hospitalized last week, and that I have been very sick and don't have time to organize that until after the Summit.] </font>

the only thing the BOD seems to fear is success. <font color="red">

...it's just a shame that the BOD passed me over for a vacant BOD seat a couple years ago and instead picked some old bat who won't rock the boat when the PDGA $$$ are doled out to the various friends &amp; family of those in power. thank goodness they only get $55 from me every year, although it once was much less to be a member (before the big fee increases and consequent funds-wasting began)....but i digress. what was my point? oh yeah, it's high time the disc golf world wakes up to the fact that our biggest organization is pretty much run by close-minded fools like brakel who are afraid to debate anything with anyone because they think they have all the answers already, when in reality their lack of vision has already set the sport back many years. it's time to take a chance on new leadership.



Bah! (http://www.scripps.edu/~hansond/bah/)

Bah!




reduced to bleating like a sheep again, eh lackey?

Bah!




reduced to bleating like a sheep again, eh lackey?



I thought it was funny. I enjoy a good Dilbert cartoon every now and again. I thought you might also.

yeah, i love Dilbert. your brother reminds me very much of the bald boss. you kinda remind me of Asok. :D

Would the PDGA Commissioner and Executive Director please consider a lifetime ban on #14304 Mike Kernan for working against the principles of the PDGA, or injuring the good standing of another Active or Supporting member. That includes a ban from this message board as well.

He is a cancer that is sucking the life out of this organization.

This requires a petition signed by 20 members to be submitted to the Oversight Director, I believe. The procedure is at the back of the PDGA Constitution.

it's just a shame that the BOD passed me over for a vacant BOD seat a couple years ago and instead picked some old bat who won't rock the boat when the PDGA $$$ are doled out to the various friends & family of those in power

Actually, every time Mikey open his mouth, he provide more than ample evidence of the BOD's wisdom in passing over him.

Jeff, start a petition. I suspect you'll have the requisite 20 signatures before midnight.

Jeff, start a petition. I suspect you'll have the requisite 20 signatures before midnight.



Here is the appropriate by-law from our constitution:




ARTICLE 10 DISCIPLINE OF ACTIVE MEMBERS AND DIRECTORS
Section 1. Charges of dishonesty, working against the principles of the PDGA, or injuring the good standing of another
Active or Supporting member may be filed against any Active or Supporting member in a written petition signed by at least
twenty (20) Active members and submitted to the Oversight Director or appointed committee.
Section 2. The Oversight Director or appointed committee shall review the petition and make a recommendation of
action to the Board.
Section 3. Should the Board decide to take action, a hearing date shall be established and the accused and accusers
notified. The charges will be discussed with all parties having equal opportunity to plead their case.
Section 4. The Board may demote any Active or Supporting member by a unanimous vote to Non-Active member status
and must refund in full the current year�s membership fee paid by the demoted member. If, in the Board�s judgment, the
infraction is of such magnitude, the Board may expel the member from the association.
Section 5. The Board may remove from the Board any Director and/or Commissioner by a unanimous vote of all Board
members except the member in question.



I'm already at work citing and quoting all of his unwarranted attacks on the board, board members, staff and key volunteers.

I'm usually one of the first to question some of the PDGA's decisions and direction, but in my opinion I've always done it in a healthy and respectful manner. This guy has gone way over the line multiple times, and I'm ready to do something about it.

While I don't always agree with Mike's ideas or his insulting messages I don't think he should be banned.

While I don't always agree with Mike's ideas or his insulting messages I don't think he should be banned.



I agree. Great guy in person. Seems to me that he's just asking questions in a N'awlins way. :D

Mikey, you keep bringing up the past. But I'm pretty sure you were busy fighting some personal demons at the time you were trying ot get on the BOD as Publicity Director. I think that makes the BOD's decision to not appoint you a good one.

I mean, good for you and all. And congrats. But at that point in time, do you really believe you were a good candidate for the BOD? You keep bringing this up in your endless tirade against the BOD and ED, so that is why I have to ask.

I have no problem with a lot of Underwears post, but sometimes he post something that just pisses me off. I am talking about the bashing the BOD. I truely believe these guys are trying to do the best job they can, and Mikey keep bashing them for it.

Of course I get the same thing from being on the Board of Franchisees for Mr. Jim's Pizza Inc. We help lead where we are going, and not all frachisors agree with everything we do, shoot, even I don't agree with everything we do. In fact, there have been a few times that I have been ready to just walk out of the meeting.

I'm already at work citing and quoting all of his unwarranted attacks on the board, board members, staff and key volunteers.

I'm usually one of the first to question some of the PDGA's decisions and direction, but in my opinion I've always done it in a healthy and respectful manner. This guy has gone way over the line multiple times, and I'm ready to do something about it.



I want to be the first to sign it!
I'm sick of his lies and attacks.
Anything he's done to promote the sport doesn't make up for the damage he does by telling lies and pushing his agenda of contempt for the BOD. It really sickens me.

If he could stick to the truth and argue his points in a gentlemanly way it would be fine and I (as well as other people) have tried to explain this. I think he wants to get booted so he can further his 'outlaw' image. Lets grant his wish.

this is an organization that has allowed a top pro to remove a scorecard from another player's bag and alter it at no penalty and topped that off by allowing the same pro to publicly denigrate (purportedly in extreme fashion) the td of one of the top events on tour at no penalty to himself other than to compete in an event for which, in all likelihood, he had his entry fee sponsored and you people want to evict someone for playing gadfly on the message board?? ridiculous. (insert red monitor speak here) :mad:

that is a nice point there.

what cam?
He was (effectively) fined $4,000.
Which went to charity...

He was effectively fine $4,000 :( that he never really had.
Its not like he had to take it from his bank account.

Letting him play to pay his fine was bullsheit.

It was his. He won it.
You never effectively have your paycheck til it's in your bank account but I bet you'd feel the sting if 2 months of your pay was taken from you.

Right, lets see.... slap on the wrist, and you can go play the biggest tournament of the year of which he was sponsored to play and if you win you can donate your prize money.

Preaty weak IMO.

The first incident over the score card should have landed him an immediate suspension. The second offense with the TD should have landed him a an immediate supension with a fine and he shouldn't have been allowed to play at all.

So if your employer disallowed you from working for 1 month, that would not be a penalty and no big deal? According you, since it was never your money, it shouldn't matter.

If you look at his history at the USDGC, his winnings have accounted for 10-15% of if annual winnings. Since he is a professional player who derives his living off his winnings, this is a proper analogy.

It was a very stiff penalty. You guys griping here about the PDGA's handling of it is way off base.

Way off base? Then explain the handling of him removing a score card from another player and makeing a correction to his score. Then within a few short months another episode involving him.

I'm sorry but I will never agree with the way that situation was handled. He should have been susupended and not allowed to play the USDGC, period.

This would have sent a message to the whole membership that this will not be tolerated. Not a message that we will tolerate more if your are one of our top pros.

Right, lets see.... slap on the wrist, and you can go play the biggest tournament of the year of which he was sponsored to play and if you win you can donate your prize money.

Preaty weak IMO.

The first incident over the score card should have landed him an immediate suspension. The second offense with the TD should have landed him a an immediate supension with a fine and he shouldn't have been allowed to play at all.



who cares where his entry fee came from. He made $4,000 doing his job and had to give it back. It was his money fair and square. A pretty stiff penalty.

There are many more Cam transgressions than those you mention and I would have been all for a stiffer penalty. This one was pretty stiff, though.

It set a good precident for punishment that hopefully will disuade other would be bad attitudes from becoming a problem.

I don't care if a petition gets circulated to boot mikey or not... I just wish he'd see the light and quit with his lies and name calling. It's childish and counter productive. Reasoning with him doesn't work, as it doesn't with most children.

Now, please, lets not drift into a discussion about Cam on this thread.

Can anyone suggest a good way to get underparmikey to be reasonable?

Then we agree on some points.

As fars Mikey goes, all everyone needs to do is put him on their ignor list and poof he is gone forever. :D

Wow, this has been the most entertaining thread I've read in a while.

Creekside, the board can always use more clueless, grammatically impaired, selfish and amusingly stupid posters. Kudos on your early entries and keep up the good work. Its entertaining.

Todd, I understand that your points on Cam have some merit, but I know you must understand how weak that position is. I understand you taking up for a fellow hard working touring pro, but its time (and maybe you already do) that you and everyone else involved realize that what TwoPoot is saying is how a vast number of members feel about the Cam situation. Rightly or wrongly, the way it was handled was a black eye for the PDGA's disciplinary pursuits in the minds of many of their dues paying, fair playing members. You may as well just acknowledge that.

Mikey, I remember a time when you were more of a necessary squeaky wheel. You're starting to sound more like an irrelevant flat tire. The former could do some good, while the latter will only accomplish the task of getting himself tuned out. Time to decide who you want to be.


Keep up the entertaining thread. :)

Todd, I understand that your points on Cam have some merit, but I know you must understand how weak that position is. I understand you taking up for a fellow hard working touring pro, but its time (and maybe you already do) that you and everyone else involved realize that what TwoPoot is saying is how a vast number of members feel about the Cam situation. Rightly or wrongly, the way it was handled was a black eye for the PDGA's disciplinary pursuits in the minds of many of their dues paying, fair playing members. You may as well just acknowledge that.

Keep up the entertaining thread. :)



I'm not sticking up for Cam at all.
While I like him as a person, there are times out on the course when he can be a real tool. (sorry cam, in whole I think you are a very good person)

The PDGA disciplining people was unchartered territory a few years ago... you gotta start small and set precidences. Cam's punnishment helps discipline by giving us something to build on. Whether or not the punishment was harsh enough will be seen by whether or not it changes Cam's attitude... I think it will.

I prefer punishment as a way to change behavior rather than punishment for it's own sake.

While there's plenty to debate on in that reply, Todd, I won't as it serves no purpose and I really don't wanna argue about it anyway. I just wanted to point out that TwoPoot was merely echoing the way a large number of members feel about how that went down.

best thread 3v3r :eek:

While there's plenty to debate on in that reply, Todd, I won't as it serves no purpose and I really don't wanna argue about it anyway. I just wanted to point out that TwoPoot was merely echoing the way a large number of members feel about how that went down.



Well sure. But don't you think that the the large number of members wanted to see Cam change his ways?
Or do you think they just wanted blood.
If they wanted blood then they were dissapointed.
If they wanted a change in attitude then they just might be sattisfied... time will tell.... If the change in behavior doesn't come then I'm sure the next step will be blood... then everyone can be happy. :D

:)

Then everyone can be happy?

Wake up Todd, its time to get up? Dream time is over, time to go out and play. :D

Then we agree on some points.

As fars Mikey goes, all everyone needs to do is put him on their ignor list and poof he is gone forever. :D



I just can't ignore it.
As someone who put a lot of time and energy of my own into this sport, I feel personally affronted... and I feel for the people who volunteer for the BOD. I feel obliged and privilaged to champion their cause with my meager ineffective efforts.

I feel it would be wrong of me to say nothing.

then they just might be sattisfied...



Spelling error, or slip of the keys by a secret member of the TT?

You be the judge. :cool:

I'd bet your one of those people that cuase traffic jams when there is a stalled car on the side of the road. :o

"I just can't ignor it."


No that statement is funny. :D

Then everyone can be happy?

Wake up Todd, its time to get up? Dream time is over, time to go out and play. :D



I don't understand that.
Are you saying that I'm dreaming if I think that Cam will change? Possibly. He's another year older and (hopefully) another year wiser and $4,000 poorer.

I don't mind dreaming that people can improve themselves.

I can't believe the PDGA spends the money to host this sheit......

This Message Board it toast by the end of the year, I can smell it! I'm sending in my survey.........

No, I was implying that you're dreaming that everyone will be happy.

I'd bet your one of those people that cuase traffic jams when there is a stalled car on the side of the road. :o

"I just can't ignor it."


No that statement is funny. :D



I think there is a difference between sticking up for what you think is right and gawking at stalled cars. There is for me anyway.

First this valuable offering:


best thread 3v3r :eek:




Follwed by this one:


I can't believe the PDGA spends the money to host this sheit......

This Message Board it toast by the end of the year, I can smell it! I'm sending in my survey.........



A complex man, is that Booty fellow.

No, I was implying that you're dreaming that everyone will be happy.



I know... that's impossible.

sigh.

Todd, let it go, all he wants is to get a rise out of you, step away from the keyboard for 10 min. Stop playing with the hook of his trolling........

sar�casm ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s�rkzm)
n.
A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
The use of sarcasm. See Synonyms at wit1.

This "cam" stuff is OVER, let it go please, we in columbus have and we were the ones hurt by it. Please drop it and put it behind us...........

I can't believe the PDGA spends the money to host this sheit......

This Message Board it toast by the end of the year, I can smell it! I'm sending in my survey.........



Come on Ben.
I know you wanted blood on the Cam thing.

He was fined big time (and the money went to the BHMO charity didn't it?)

Plus he got outed to everyone in the sport about what a jerk he could be... don't hold on to the hate forever.

I'm sorry, did you actually think I took you seriously?

Nonetheless, thanks for the definition. :cool:

It appears your chain got pulled, not Todd's. :D

Todd, let it go, all he wants is to get a rise out of you, step away from the keyboard for 10 min. Stop playing with the hook of his trolling........



Oh!
Thaks Ben
Didn't realize that was what happened.
I'm done here for today.

Thanks for your input Mark Atwood... you are a reasonable man to discuss things with.

Way to go Mark, make me look bad. :D

Again. :D

You're welcome, TwoPoot, not that it was very challenging. :D

Thanks Todd, although I'm not so sure that calling me a reasonable man isn't the funniest thing on this thread yet. ;)

I think I liked you better when you weren't so freaking nice. :o

I can't believe the PDGA spends the money to host this sheit......

This Message Board it toast by the end of the year, I can smell it! I'm sending in my survey.........



Come on Ben.
I know you wanted blood on the Cam thing.

He was fined big time (and the money went to the BHMO charity didn't it?)

Plus he got outed to everyone in the sport about what a jerk he could be... don't hold on to the hate forever.



You are correct I "DID" want blood, and in hindsight Cam got what he deserved and so did I. The PDGA decision was the right one as I look back. I agree with everything Mr. Branch stated about the severity of his punishment, 15% if income is a lot. I hope in the future to be able to shake cams hand and then maybe actually talk about something other that disc golf like baseball or whatever. I would like to point out that I have changed in the past few years Mr. Branch. You don't know me as well as you used to, I haven't been around.

Well...I aim to please.

Eff off, you Okie lame-o! :mad:

(Feel better?)

Revised Petition:

Mike Kernan should be immediately appointed Commissioner of the PDGA (that'll shut him up and burn him out in one fell swoop)

Creekside should be elevated to Lead Board Monitor

Ben Botte should be appointed Special Commissioner of Sarcasm

Cam Todd should be forced to play only with discs bearing a Scarlet A hotstamp.


:cool:

Ben Botte should be appointed Special Commissioner of Sarcasm



:D

I like it. :D:D

Letting him play to pay his fine was bullsheit.

Letting him play was a mistake on the BOD's part, IMO, just as it was a mistake not to discipline him for the altering a scorecard, however, those incidents are irrelevant to the question of whether or not UPM should be banned for working against the principles of the PDGA, or injuring the good standing of another
Active or Supporting member. The fact the BOD made a mistake in one case should not be grounds for repeating the mistake or for doing nothing in other cases.

Atwood writes,

" I understand you taking up for a fellow hard working touring pro, but its time (and maybe you already do) that you and everyone else involved realize that what TwoPoot is saying is how a vast number of members feel about the Cam situation. Rightly or wrongly, the way it was handled was a black eye for the PDGA's disciplinary pursuits in the minds of many of their dues paying, fair playing members. You may as well just acknowledge that. "


You are very funny Atwood !! You continue to go on about people being grammatically impaired. First of all , it should be " I understand taking up for a fellow hard working"... A pronoun used in this instance is grammatically incorrect.
Secondly it should not be, "Rightly or Wrongly....." but rather "Right or Wrong " in this instance. Once again another stupid blunder on your part , moron . :)
Also, you write " the way it was handled was a black eye for the PDGA's disciplinary pursuits in the minds of many of their dues paying, fair playing member "

It should be ....." many of its due paying, fair playing members. "

You see Atwood the PDGA is a single entity thus the Pronoun describing it should be "its " instead of "their" !!!

I am sure you can find many blips in my verbiage so knock yourself out. Remember though , I was not the one bringing this matter to attention. You need to get your ducks straight before you start shooting down everyone elses
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You also write, " Kudos on your early entries and keep up the good work. Its entertaining. "

If that is your real picture , I guess its about as entertaining as those STUPID LOOKING ears that you have. I tell you what Atwood I know a plastic surgeon who can pin those dumbo ears back. How do you throw a Disc with those big things ?
:cool:


Anyway enough time spent on your ugly ***** !!








Ha guys, I didn't mean to start such a controversial thread. Just basically wanted to find out Ken's schedule. Oh well !!! :eek:

Does anyone know if he will be playing Bowling Green in April ??
I live fairly close to there !!

And concerning that other player you all are talking about ?? Well I don't know about this and that since I am new to Disc Golf, but $4,000 sounds like a pretty stiff penalty in the sport . I heard this guy is a real A hole !! I hope I never get to play with him. I just would NOT tolerate someone like this.

Anyway, look forward to getting to know some of you and maybe we can play a round of Disc Golf !!

So you are saying if Cam offered to play a round with you, that you would decline? No one said you had to like who he was, but if I had a chance to play with one of the premiere golfers in the world I would be breaking my back for the chance.

If that is your real picure , I guess its about as entertaining as those STUPID LOOKING ears that you have. I tell you what Atwood I know a plastic surgeon who can pin those dumbo ears back. How do you throw a Disc with those big things ?



PICURE?

If that is your real picure , I guess its about as entertaining as those STUPID LOOKING ears that you have. I tell you what Atwood I know a plastic surgeon who can pin those dumbo ears back. How do you throw a Disc with those big things ?




Clearly he has never seen Ken if he is wondering how to throw with ears that stick out. :DKen does just fine with his...... :D

the ANON is referring to Atwoods AVATAR.

Yeah I really don't think that Kenny would like to meet this creekside guy, and in fact I doubt Cam would too. I have met Cam personally, didn't get to play with him at that tournament because I am an Am, but aside from his publicized temper (which I have not personally witnessed) he was a stand up individual. Heck even I have had a temper on the course, but that has subsided since I kicked my tour bag with 25 discs in it and broke half my big toe nail off.

And Creekside, I don't know where you get off talking about marketing for sports stars and celebrities, but these people do not "owe" fans anything. Yes they are constantly in the public eye and must be respectful of that but this is as far as that goes. And the truth of the matter is, especially concerning actors, musicians and athletes; these people would be doing their activity regardless of what money them could make from it, they do it for the love, they just happen to be the best at it, and people pay to watch them, or as in disc golf's case pay to play against them.

And personally, if I was Kenny, I would probably get a restraining order.

Anyway, look forward to getting to know some of you and maybe we can play a round of Disc Golf !!



First of all dude, you have no idea about grammar. Not that it's particularly important on a message board anyway.

Second, if you're such a marketing guru, you're surely familiar with the concept of branding. Basically, the disc golf "brand" is a fun time with cool people. In growing the sport, we want to attract others who seek that kind of experience. We also need to discourage self-important jerks who will damage the integrity of our brand. So if your real-life persona is anything like how you come across on this message board, we'd be happy not to see you out on the course.

:confused:

If that is your real picure , I guess its about as entertaining as those STUPID LOOKING ears that you have. I tell you what Atwood I know a plastic surgeon who can pin those dumbo ears back. How do you throw a Disc with those big things ?




Clearly he has never seen Ken if he is wondering how to throw with ears that stick out. :DKen does just fine with his...... :D

I'm not sure what you're getting at, Ben: can you draw me a picture? :D

Draw a pic? No thanks I don't want a beat down. :DIt's bad enough that guy has always beat me by 30 strokes or more in a tourney.

Does anyone know if he will be playing Bowling Green in April ??



Most likely. Check the tour page a few weeks before and it will provide a link to registered players.

I am pretty sure he will NOT be at Bowling Green, nor will a lot of the top pros. they will be at Schwebbie's wedding. Ken is best man, I believe. Barry will be in attendance too.

Ahhhhhhhhh

So you are saying if Cam offered to play a round with you, that you would decline? No one said you had to like who he was, but if I had a chance to play with one of the premiere golfers in the world I would be breaking my back for the chance.



I played with Cam in Waco last year during the second round and he is a punk, and I hope to never have to play with him again. It is one thing to miss a putt and be upset with yourself but when you go and blame every car, bird, and plane for why you missed your putt it gets old.

:mad:

So you are saying if Cam offered to play a round with you, that you would decline? No one said you had to like who he was, but if I had a chance to play with one of the premiere golfers in the world I would be breaking my back for the chance.



I played with Cam in Waco last year during the second round and he is a punk, and I hope to never have to play with him again. It is one thing to miss a putt and be upset with yourself but when you go and blame every car, bird, and plane for why you missed your putt it gets old.

:mad:


I never said he would be an upstanding citizen, but seeing the game played at that level would be an honor to witness at such close range.

I can think of a lot of other world champions that I would rather play with. Take Barry for example, I played a practice round with him at z-boaz last week and you don't hear one negative word come out of him mouth.

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Ditto that. :D

The Rookie is a Great player and a Stand Up guy, the best I have been lucky enough to shoot a round with. I have witnessed to much of Cam's attitude to ever want to play with him.

Treeklunker,
Looks kind of unanimous in people's view of this guy !!
But I guess you can go ahead and break that back to play with
Cam !!!
Knock yourself out ! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Sounds like a two man card.

:D

You all have picked my curiousity because I have yet to see any of these Pros play. I plan to attend and watch Bell South Open in Bowling Green.
What exactly does this Cam do in a round.?? As a spectator will it be behavior I will notice right off from the first tee when he makes a mistake ?? Or is it something that is more discreet bad behavior that only the Pros in his group notice ??

I was planning to watch Climo play in this Tournament but now you
all have really made me interested in seeing what this so called poor sport does during his round.......

So in one post you tell me to go ahead and play and blow Cam off basically and in your next you ask what he does that is so bad? Your second post shows that you obviously are only speaking from hearsay yet you sure run your mouth. Try not to insult someone you haven't actually met. For those of you who have played with him and seen his antics you can say all you want because it may be true. But for creeky to come on here and say he doesn't know him and bash him is downright stupid.

Ha TreeKlunker,
You need to get a clue !!

I never said I have seen Cam or played with him.

Here is my quote:
" And concerning that other player you all are talking about ?? Well I don't know about this and that since I am new to Disc Golf, but $4,000 sounds like a pretty stiff penalty in the sport . I heard this guy is a real A hole !! I hope I never get to play with him. I just would NOT tolerate someone like this. "


I never said it was anything other than a continous and consistent stream of heresay collabarated by many!!! Where did I say it was otherwise ??

For instance similiar to consistent heresay of what you and I have heard about someone like Hitler. Sure you know what he did thru consistent heresay by many eyewitnesses. But you still might ask the question "what exactly would he be like or behave like if I was in his presence in a live setting ".

Think about that next time you RUN YOUR MOUTH !!!
:o

Bottom line is I have heard to much substantiated evidence that this guy is an *****.And I wouldn't want to play with him.
But I would like to watch as a spectator to witness it live just
for kicks and see what all the fuss is about.

Hey Creek, you can find the Midol on aisle 5.

READ BIXBY CREEK! then go throw all your plastic in the farthest body of water and go look for it!

Hey creekside70,

You need to get a clue. To come on this board and post that someone is an ***** and you have never seen nor met the player is total insanity.

It is posters like you that will make the probability of this discussion board becoming members only....see 'fate of the discussion board' on another thread and you will see what I mean.

Please don't act like you know what is going on when you really don't, plus don't come back in another post and make lame excuses and compare someone to Hitler. GET A CLUE.

really Get a life!!! I met Climo once , very nice guy!! 02 worlds!! it was funny!! him saying how he loved beating Russell , then seeing rons ****** off expression!!

I live in Sunny Fla and have met and played with Kenny on many occasions. No we are not tight and have never hung out away from the course, but I can vouche that he is all around good guy. I will say that he has represented our sport better than anyone with his T.V. appearances and overall demeanor at tournaments. He will always sign discs for kids and is willing to give up his free time to introduce young people to our sport. There are so many players out there making our sport better for the future and we need that many more to do the same in order for this sport to progress in the right direction. Kenny is only one of them, but he inspired me to get more involved, and that is what we need, more people getting involved with the sport with a common positive goal in mind. Thanks Kenny.

Thanx Timoching! You pretty much said it all. If we can't stay positive and work together on the forward progression of our sport, then we need not look for any big sponsors or T.V. As far as the Bell South tourney goes, it is my understanding that many of the top pros will not be there including Kenny and Barry as Schweby is getting married that weekend.

Atwood writes,

" I understand you taking up for a fellow hard working touring pro, but its time (and maybe you already do) that you and everyone else involved realize that what TwoPoot is saying is how a vast number of members feel about the Cam situation. Rightly or wrongly, the way it was handled was a black eye for the PDGA's disciplinary pursuits in the minds of many of their dues paying, fair playing members. You may as well just acknowledge that. "


You are very funny Atwood !! You continue to go on about people being grammatically impaired. First of all , it should be " I understand taking up for a fellow hard working"... A pronoun used in this instance is grammatically incorrect.
Secondly it should not be, "Rightly or Wrongly....." but rather "Right or Wrong " in this instance. Once again another stupid blunder on your part , moron . :)
Also, you write " the way it was handled was a black eye for the PDGA's disciplinary pursuits in the minds of many of their dues paying, fair playing member "

It should be ....." many of its due paying, fair playing members. "

You see Atwood the PDGA is a single entity thus the Pronoun describing it should be "its " instead of "their" !!!

I am sure you can find many blips in my verbiage so knock yourself out. Remember though , I was not the one bringing this matter to attention. You need to get your ducks straight before you start shooting down everyone elses
/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

You also write, " Kudos on your early entries and keep up the good work. Its entertaining. "

If that is your real picture , I guess its about as entertaining as those STUPID LOOKING ears that you have. I tell you what Atwood I know a plastic surgeon who can pin those dumbo ears back. How do you throw a Disc with those big things ?
:cool:


Anyway enough time spent on your ugly ***** !!






Wow, that was awesome. There were so many points for me to pounce on in that rant that I was overwhelmned by the entirety of it all.

So I figured I'd just quote it so everyone could read and laugh again.

What a doofus. :)

BTW, genius, I don't actually play for the Texas Rangers. LOL

What is funny is that if you took the hat off and stuck out his ears some more, you have Ken Climo :D

wow that's all :confused:

As far as the Bell South tourney goes, it is my understanding that many of the top pros will not be there including Kenny and Barry as Schweby is getting married that weekend.



SHhhhhhhhh what are you doing? That is suposed to stay a secret! Ahem, what you talkin' 'bout Willis? ;)

I know Ken...although ive not seen him in a few years..my lack of play...ive stayed at his house and played several rounds of golf with him...hes a good person...and an all around great golfer..yeah he owned the disc golf scene for years...but he was waiting for some other people to come along that could compete at his level...he wanted the competition...as for Cam...same thing applies...ive played rounds with him also hung out...good person..funny as hell at times..had me rolling on more than one occasion...some of you people talk about others more than you should...ive had many bad expieriances with many high status people in the DG community and i wont start ranting about it here...but for the most part thats why i havent been playing...Golfers are like any other sport..you are trying to achieve a certain mood or desired mental state that you play well in...if its happy go lucky ..then so be it..but some people dont play well as mr nice guy...i know i cashed in 5 of 7 putting championships because i was in the right frame of mind...granted sometimes things go overboard but ive seen much worse than whining or ********...i agree with whoever said that this was a beginning to the "fine" system as far as penaltys go...somewhat harsh in my opinion...just an opinion ....you dont have to like it or agree with it

*cough cough* STALKER *cough* :p

LMAO :D

Hope you get to come down for the Texas Women's Chapionships, it's already looking like a great field.

when is it?? i just started makin out all my plans for the year.. hopefully i can squeeze it in?? :D

first weekend in april!! should be a huge field!! i am guessing over 50 !!

Nice! I got nothin planned for that week.. but moneys a factor these days.. who knows! When does registration end?

go to the thread texas womans championship. i will pm you a flier!! :Dhope you can make it!! :D

I'll try my hardest!!
ps. i do kno Ken Climo :D