Yes, it�s true. You now have the opportunity to live out all your disc golf dreams� you can own your own incredible disc golf facility.

The Circle R2 Ranch, site of recent PDGA World Doubles Championships and the Texas Team Championships, has gone on the market.

It was a very difficult decision � one I thought I would never make � but ultimately it is the right thing to do.

I love disc golf rumors, but there needn�t be any in this case. You can hear the simple truth from me. The fact is that it�s taken tremendous support from friends and family to keep me in business the last 20 years. In particular, one group of friends has extended a great deal of financial assistance. Selling the ranch gives me the chance to live up to my obligations.

In the event that the property sells before Am World Doubles, which is possible but not likely, we�ll move it to Wimberley. And we�ll try to have one last big fun event before these three wonderful courses disappear forever. Unless, of course, a group of disc golfers keeps it going�

John, I'm only thankful that I've had the chance to play these unparalleled courses. If you have played San Saba, then you know that you are a member of a very special club, and you know that there is nothing quite like San Saba.

Knowing that you need to sell the property, I wish you a speedy sale and closing. But from a truly selfish standpoint, I hope that isn�t until after AM World Doubles.

This year will be my second, and apparently final, visit to the ranch. I have a feeling that this will be a very special year indeed.

Thanks for having us out there John, even if our time was limited. Years from now, as we old geezers talk about the good old days of disc golf, the legend of San Saba will only grow as we try to describe it to those who never knew�

Oh, and is there a listing for the property that is available for any potentially interested parties?

Mecca is up for sale. There might be infidels grazing cows or shooting Bambi during the Holy Texas Team Weekend? :eek:

Sorry to hear about this John, but I sure hope it works at very well for you. I plan to make what final shindig there may be, but it will be very sad when I throw my last shot out there. I gotta think of what hole to throw last.

Now's really the time for me to hit the lotto. Hey, John, can I purchase it with an agreement of paying once the correct six numbers are pulled??? :D

Actually, John, I am sorry to hear the news. I hope for a quick sale for your sake. I hope we can find a disc golfer, or group of disc golfers, to buy it.

I heard that some guy fell and broke his shoulder and in order to pay him off you have to sell the place...Hope I find that dude in a dark alley!! :mad:

Sorry to hear that John, San Saba is a wonderful place. :( Get him Tom!!

WOW!!! What a hit to one of my favorite DG courses of all time. San Saba is such a beautiful place to be, not only to play DG but to just be there in the middle of nowhere with all that eye candy to get lost in. Sad to know I may not ever be able to launch out there again.

For whatever reasons you have to sell the ranch, I hope you are able to do it quickly and get things squared away for yourself.

With the sale of the ranch where will you be? Are you going to be back out at Circle R? If so it'll be good to go and see the Godfather of course design more often. :)




May the schwartz be with you John!!!

Disc golf on private land without disposable income is tough.This is another example of disc golf needing land paid by othere so we can exist, parks and fly 18 share land.CO OP..John I know you put your heart into this, I hope you find happiness in whatever you do, hopefull you stay in your purpose Disc Golf. ;)

Hicks told me that that guy wasn't too sharp and you could probably pay him off in confederate money. :D

Flyboy, I don't think John ever anticipated San Saba to make him money. I just assumed he wanted to create ******* courses...... and that he did.

Disc golf on private land without disposable income is tough.This is another example of disc golf needing land paid by othere so we can exist, parks and fly 18 share land.CO OP..John I know you put your heart into this, I hope you find happiness in whatever you do, hopefull you stay in your purpose Disc Golf. ;)



Reese... you just don't miss an opportunity do you?

This really sucks if it's due to somebody suing John. Don't people have to sign waivers or something?

Hope you can get more than you paid for it John... I'm sure you made some improvements to the land.

Hicks told me that that guy wasn't too sharp and you could probably pay him off in confederate money.

Busted. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

It is sad it didn't work out for John. He is the one of the best people in the Frisbee/Disc family. His dream of building a disc golf mecca was a good dream, just maybe not in the best location. I would sure love to see John take his ideas somewhere more accesible for everyone, so more people can enjoy his vision.

John it can work.....COME to OKLAHOMA! :D

It is sad it didn't work out for John. He is the one of the best people in the Frisbee/Disc family. His dream of building a disc golf mecca was a good dream, just maybe not in the best location.



Too many old ladies driving around down there clogging up the roads, Kev?

Reese... you just don't miss an opportunity do you?

This really sucks if it's due to somebody suing John. Don't people have to sign waivers or something?

Hope you can get more than you paid for it John... I'm sure you made some improvements to the land.



Better stop this rumor before it gets going. No one is sueing John. It was "Handsome" Tom Pierce who unfortunately hurt himself in San Saba and unfortunately was able to walk away :D
Watch out Tom you might get a lynch mob after yourself.



PS: McCaine in case you haven't heard I'll be riding with you to Waco Saturday. I can't beleive you are playing masters at a one day :o

hope things work out for you John. I say take all them baskets badk to Wimberly and make 4 courses out there.

Better stop this rumor before it gets going. No one is sueing John. It was "Handsome" Tom Pierce who unfortunately hurt himself in San Saba and unfortunately was able to walk away
Watch out Tom you might get a lynch mob after yourself.

Double Busted!! :eek:
He offered to pay me in recyled plastic and cans, and a rock or two. :cool:

Rumor is he's scoping out property down the road from Highbridge. Buffalo John likes the cold...

Years after the sale of San Saba, some old Farmer is going to keep finding these funny plastic discs all over his property and have no idea what they are or where they came from.

Good idea for those extra baskets, Chris.

some old Farmer is going to keep finding these funny plastic discs all over his property



Perhaps worried they're left over from experimental cows?

Don't fool yourselves, that farmer will be out there hucking them discs saying, "lookout Betsy, here she comes."

HECK they will throw them in the air and shot em.

Dang John this keeps happening to me! I was foolish enough to start playing disc golf in 97 so even though my home course is Pleasure Island, I never got to play Circle R and Ponderosa. Now I may have missed the opp to play San Saba! Guess a quick road trip is in order. Maybe you can try Pleasure Island again for a disc golf heaven on earth!?! I hear that Ball Golf course isnt working out like it was supposed to. ;) :D

Well good luck on the sell !

is there a public listing for San Saba yet John, What is the asking price.

I wonder if I could sell my house and store and buy it :D (actually, my wife already shot that down, I guess I will have to wait a few more years to build my disc golf Mecca in TN, I already have the land)

Is wimberley for sale as well, if so let me know!!

"build my disc golf Mecca in TN, I already have the land"

Sounds like a road trip. Let's go make some fairways.




Must be Remnants of Cedar Hill talking....

SInce you are not accepting PM's John, what is the asking price or PM it to me. I am also curious what the yearly taxes are on that beautiful chunk of land.

Worst thread I saw all day, but I was able to enjoy 2 years out there so far and will do all I can now to get out there this year for the last hurah!!

In TN, one area has a few loging roads, but I have not walked the area yet, 24 Acres.

Another area is about the same size on the side of a very large hill, problem with parking, because the only road cuts in the side of the hill for no access.

the 3rd area would be across from my parents home, it already has a small parking area, with several log roads and some open fields that would make some great fairways. I have walked some of this, and already have some holes that I like, it is just a matter of really looking at it. My parents have already told me that I will get the house if I want it, But I am only 20 years younger than them, so i will be too old to do it when they pass on. (my grandparents who use to own the land just passed away last year at 94 and 91 years old)

But they have said I could build it if I wanted too.

booooooooooo

really!!!! sad to hear!!! :confused: :confused:

Hey I just got a couple of e-mails telling me that I'd won the lottery. One was in Britian (238,617 pounds) and one in France (1,000,000 Euros). Now that I'm loaded, how much you want for that little Texas spread Johnny?

Really.... good luck on the sale.

hate to see this happen, sure is a nice place. i am glad i was able to attend the last two years.. might even try to make it back this year, not sure though....

is there a public listing for San Saba yet John, What is the asking price.

I wonder if I could sell my house and store and buy it :D (actually, my wife already shot that down, I guess I will have to wait a few more years to build my disc golf Mecca in TN, I already have the land)



Where in TN is your land? Hopefully near my house :D

Houston County - 2 1/2 - 3 hours from Memphis

So sorry to hear about this John! :(

They are wonderful courses and the ranch is beautiful. Thanks for giving us the few years that we had to enjoy it all and best of luck in selling it soon and for a good price (but not too soon - got to give all those Ams one more shot at it :D).

Sorry to hear this John. But Wimberly is not too shabby a place to fall back to. Is that your plan?

When the property is listed or you have more details please post it or send me a pm or email. I have some friends who have some friends that might be interested. Unfortunately they are deer hunters and not disc golfers, but it still might help sell the property.

HOW MUCH????????

Limited edition "San Marino" Circle R2 red-ish rocks for sale....wait...never mind, this isn't e-bay. :eek:

OK, the listing is up now:

http://genestewartrealestate.com/GSRE379ac.html

We're hoping to have another page of pictures soon, too.

I was skeptical at first, given the price and all, but after realizing that there are "huge amounts of rock to be harvested," I want it. :p

Bizznitch where my ROCK be at? :confused: :D:confused:

Thanks for the listing John. I Think it is a little out of my price range. (even if I sold everything I owned :D)

wow , very impressive!! :D

worst thread ever!! :(

john, i hope this is a good thing for you personally. san saba was a true treat and pleasure for me to play. some of the best holes and golf i have ever played.

see you at am world doubles.

oh yeah. you mentioned that dubs may be moved to circle r, does that go for texas teams too?

OK, the listing is up now:

http://genestewartrealestate.com/GSRE379ac.html

We're hoping to have another page of pictures soon, too.



How many Discraft discs do i need to sell in order to make those ends meet?


McCaine, you can have the rocks. Just stay away from the tanks, river, and DARK SKY!

I was really hoping to take Baby-Hero to CR2, SS for his 1st camping trip in a few years. :confused:

Nice photos and property description. The price is about what I expected. I predict a quick sale, probably by May. This is perhaps fortunate for John, much to the loss for the rest of us. Good luck with everything John.

Good question, Martin. I certainly hope that San Saba will be sold by November. At this point I'm planning on Texas Teams being back in Wimberley.

My-Hero, I wouldn't let James have all those rocks. People in this neighborhood just sit back and collect checks for $1,000 - $2,000 a month from the rock guys. It's unbelievable how much they're hauling out of here. I'm not convinced it's the best thing for the land, but I'm no geologist.

Of course my dream was to replace all the string OB with rock walls...

once san saba is gone!! what next for the course guru?? hopefully another great venture is on the horizon!! :D

Thanks, Laura.

once san saba is gone!! what next for the course guru?? hopefully another great venture is on the horizon!! :D



Efrain, "another great venture" doesn't even begin to describe it. I'm just not sure what it is yet.

One step at a time...

i hear john will be trying out for the buffalo bills' special teams. the next steve tasker.

My-Hero, I wouldn't let James have all those rocks. People in this neighborhood just sit back and collect checks for $1,000 - $2,000 a month from the rock guys. It's unbelievable how much they're hauling out of here. I'm not convinced it's the best thing for the land, but I'm no geologist.





That's funny because i'm building a french drain in the backyard, and just paid 2 cents per pound for some 1.5" limestone gravel.

Best wishes my friend!

once san saba is gone!! what next for the course guru?? hopefully another great venture is on the horizon!! :D



Efrain, "another great venture" doesn't even begin to describe it. I'm just not sure what it is yet.

One step at a time...



great to hear!!! :Das a mentor to many , keep doing what you do, please!!!! :D

mentor...
How about this one
Some Mentoring Fellow.... :D

Vinnie, which kind of tees do you prefer:

See Mentor Fly18?

HMMMMM!
Interesting!
I like grass....tees that is

The rest of the pictures are now up at

http://www.mediatecture.net/sansaba/

Caution: takes a long time with dialup (25 large pictures)

Yesterday we had our first potential buyer out. Seemed like a nice guy, and he seemed to really appreciate the property.

wow , big fish!! what did it weigh???

Ernie got that one out of the river. 38 pounds, 44 inches long.

Hi John, Hope things go well for the ranch. Can you PM or e-mail me your address? I've got something I want to send you.

Good question, Martin. I certainly hope that San Saba will be sold by November. At this point I'm planning on Texas Teams being back in Wimberley.

My-Hero, I wouldn't let James have all those rocks. People in this neighborhood just sit back and collect checks for $1,000 - $2,000 a month from the rock guys. It's unbelievable how much they're hauling out of here. I'm not convinced it's the best thing for the land, but I'm no geologist.

Of course my dream was to replace all the string OB with rock walls...



John, I have family in the rock business. Judging by three of the photos, you are sitting on a small fortune in field stone and flat stone (a significant amount of your asking price, anyway).

Thanks, Rick. I guess that makes you the perfect guy to buy the place. You can keep the courses open and harvest all that fabulous rock. I'll even design and install the fourth course for you, if you want... And I'll throw in the tractor and all the furniture... and all the dishes, silverware, pots, and pans.

Think about it.

Thanks, Rick. I guess that makes you the perfect guy to buy the place. You can keep the courses open and harvest all that fabulous rock. I'll even design and install the fourth course for you, if you want... And I'll throw in the tractor and all the furniture... and all the dishes, silverware, pots, and pans.

Think about it.



Bro, you don't think I wasn't already crunching numbers while typing my post?

Problem is, rational people don't move -from- San Diego -to- Texas.

:-)

hmmm.... I do have at least a couple hundred in equity in my san diego house. How many acres of flat stone and field stone do you have like those in the photos?

How many people can I get out there to play the course(s) everyday? (we discussed this question on the phone a couple years ago IIRC).

All I need now is a short, roundish, bearded man to show me the ropes. You know any?

Man, it really is tempting/intriguing. Wife has family in Houston and was just talking last night about moving.

I think you know, deep in your heart, that it's time to quit being so selfish... and do what your wife wants for a change. She is wiser then you imagine.

I'll throw in 4 weekends of short bearded consultation at no additional charge.

I'm a little late on this because I unfortunately just stumbled upon this thread. John, this is sad news indeed and I certainly will cherish the few opportunities I had to enjoy the wonderful courses you built.

She is wiser then (sic) you imagine.



You know my wife?

:confused:

Ya know, if you carry the paper for me, you make a -lot- more money in the long run.

"You know my wife? "

A guy hears things. I mean, I can sense her wisdom from here.

"Ya know, if you carry the paper for me, you make a -lot- more money in the long run."

Unfortunately, there is no long run in this case. That's why we're even having this discussion.

Don't know if you've looked at a map yet, but San Saba is close enough to Houston that you can visit when you want, but far enough away that they won't expect it too often.

"You know my wife? "

A guy hears things. I mean, I can sense her wisdom from here.

"Ya know, if you carry the paper for me, you make a -lot- more money in the long run."

Unfortunately, there is no long run in this case. That's why we're even having this discussion.

Don't know if you've looked at a map yet, but San Saba is close enough to Houston that you can visit when you want, but far enough away that they won't expect it too often.



There's this consideration also: Every guy I know who has owned that property has gotten shot.

i've never been to san saba before, and would like to come out and play the courses before they're gone...are the courses currently open, or by appointment only, or what? my wife and i and our baby are all going camping for a week starting this weekend and we'd love to camp for a night or two and play the courses (probably a week from tomorrow or so).

is this still possible? i've been to wimberley a few times and camped...is it the same deal out at san saba?

"There's this consideration also: Every guy I know who has owned that property has gotten shot. "

Good point. But your sample is too small to make a valid statistical conclusion.

Brian, CR2 will be open when I'm there. Unfortunately, my schedule is very hard to predict at this point. It does look like I'll be there most of next week. E-mail me, and we'll work it out. [email protected]

Just got back from an extended weekend at San Saba. Played all 3 courses for 3 days straight (generally at 8am, Noon, and 4pm each day).

That brings my total rounds at San Saba to 29. I'd claim that as a record, except that my brother has 30, so I'll give him the crown. Not bad for a couple guys that live 700 and 1200 miles away.

We had mid-70s and lighter-than-normal winds each day, with only a brief shower one afternoon. We also contributed heavily to the economy of a certain company in Shiner, TX.

What can you say except it's sad to know that these courses, and this place as a hangout, will likely be going away.

John made the ranch into a dreamworld. If you still have a chance to get out there, by all means do it.

Many thanks to John for a few years of golfing and fun that will be difficult to match.

OK, well it looks like the deal is done. CR2 is soon to be a beautiful memory.

For those who want one last shot at them, the San Saba courses will be open the weekends of November 15-16 and November 22-23.

Texas Teams will move back to its original home in Wimberley.

If you want to come out, please make a reservation with me: [email protected]

Onward and upward.

Best of luck John!!!!

Congrats John, hope the closeing goes well.

John, are those date in October? In Oct, those are weekends but if it's in Nov those are Tues & Wed. :confused:

Thanks, Lou.

The last two San Saba weekends will be OCTOBER 15-16 and OCTOBER 22-23.

i hear the gears turning, lou.

Hey, Gordon. I'm not going to be able to be the assistant TD at Waterloo after all. Sorry for the late notice but I have to get to San Saba. :D

Just asking to be fired, aren't you. :D

John-
Is teams still the 19th-20th of November?

Man, I sure hope it does not rain that last weekend in October, I am going to try to make a day out of it and play San Saba before it goes away. The 15/16 is out because of the McKinney deal, I will be too tired on the 16th to make it.

If anyone from the DFW area wants go play San Saba on the 23rd, I am off that day and am planing on making a day of it at San Saba.

I can't drive down till Sunday morning, but want to leave as early as possible (I am stuck working till close on Saturday night)

Well, I got home from work Saturday night about 1am and packed up stuff for the trip today. Wound up climbing in bed about 2am.

Got up at 6am and was on the road with Raven (my 4 year old kid) by 7am. 230 miles and 3 1/2 hours later I was pulling up to the lodge at San Saba.

John gave me scorecards and a map of all 3 courses and told me some hints on finding the holes. He drove me down the hill so I could play the River course first.

I managed to throw a brand new Orc off to the left on hole one of the River course. Never found it after 15 min of looking.

On the Island hole #5, I hooked up with Chris and Greg Brooks from Big Springs Texas. They showed me the rest of the course. By the middle of the round, Raven was throwing some of the holes too. (in fact he played the hole down the hill, every shot)

We all ate lunch after the round. Raven and I then played Strawbail field course. Raven threw a few shots,. but mostly I just played the course and pushed him around in the jogger.

After that round, we drove back up the hill to use the potty. John and Raven had a interesting conversation that I have no idea what he was saying (I don't think John knew either) So when john and I were talking, Raven kept saying "lets go, Lets go" So I asked him if he wanted to play another round and his answer was "Yea"

On to the Meadow course. They were unable to mow a few of the holes, but I played them anyways. After two rounds, I was pretty beat, but I did managed two birds, including hole 18 (par 4)

In all, I am sooooo glad I made the trip today. I wish I could play the courses again sometime, but at least I got to pay them once.

Thanks again John for opening up the course for us to play before you close on the property. When we got home, I asked Raven it he wanted to play Disc Golf with me again, his answer "yea" (BTW, he was asleep in the car before we even got to the fork in the road, he slept almost the whole way home)

I love that story! :)

I'm a little confused how a parcel of land in Texas can be on the Colorado River. Doesn't that start in Durango and run west through like Nevada or Arizona or something and wind up in Baja California?

That sounds kind of like Houston falling into the Rio Grande River. :D

Maybe it's true but I don't see how you can go from Colorado to the Grand Canyon and get anywhere near Tejax

I asked Houck about this before and it's just another Colorado river, not THE Colorado River.

Oh great. Is there another Hudson River in Tejax too, and another Mississippi. How about a Amazon?

How about a Tejax River in NY?

I hear Houston is on the Rio Grande, it's just a different Rio Grande (and a different Houston)

TEXAS is large enough to be its own country. Oh, yeah. We were. :cool:

Morgan,
Just to keep you from getting confused, Paris (http://www.cityofparistx.com/) is also a city in Texas and doesn't have an Eiffel Tower.

There is also a city named Springfield in 23 states. Don't get lost. :p

There is also a city named Springfield in 23 states. Don't get lost. :p



And I'm from one of them. Doh! :)

TEXAS is large enough to be its own country. Oh, yeah. We were. :cool:



We can go back to that if we want as well. :o:o

Vermont is small enough to be its own country.

Oh yeah, it was, and long before Tejax was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Vermont

.

No chit but it was only its own country because it didn't have the same ideas and beliefs as the other colonies. :o

No actually, Vermont was originally the vacant land between the colonies of NY and NH, not claimed by anybody, and it was being settled by pioneers without any government, just like squatters. They went in, cut trees, killed Indians, built houses, got killed by Indians, planted crops. Then around 1765 the governors of the colonies of NY and NH (not states yet) both claimed it as theirs, and started selling off land to new people. Imagine how pisssed the Vermonters were that their land was being sold out from under them, so they started to revolt. They declared war against NY and NH.

Then king of England stepped in around 1775 to settle the dispute, and said the NY and NH deeds were good, so the Vermonters declared war against England and they declared themselves independent from England BEFORE the 13 colonies did. They wrote up a declaration of independence BEFORE the one we have, and the one we have even borrows lots of wording from the Vermont one. They had a constitution before the US constitution too. And the first blood in Vermont's rebellion was BEFORE Bunker Hill so it came before the other 13 colonies started fighting.

Not only that, but the first US victory in the Revolutionary War was when the Vermonters captured Fort Ticonderoga, but they didn't capture it for the USA, they captured it for Vermont!! Then Benedict Arnold (who worked for the USA) said to Ethan Allen (who was on Vermont's payroll) said "Thanks Ethan, nice job." And Ethan said "What the fug you talking about, I don't work for you. Vermont is independent and Ticonderoga is ours."

So Benedict Arnold got Ethan Allen drunk and convinced him to hand over Fort Ticonderoga and work for the 13 colonies by telling him that Vermont is on the same side against England and so the USA side and Vermont side fought together but that didn't last long because Vermont declared war against the USA again once when Ethan Allen was drunk again, so the USA team threw Ethan Allen in jail and took his troops and he stayed in jail for the whole war. Vermont was never part of the USA actually, it was a nation for the whole war and didn't even become a state until later on, and the original 13 states after the war didn't even want Vermont to join because they thought they were a bunch of hippies.

And now, 200 years later, Vermont is still full of hippies and still wants to cecede from the USA. Always did.

Yep, true story. Sounds just like Tejax.

The thing is that they no longer have the right to split from the union like Tx does. TX can also split into 5 different states. :D

They can cecede if they want to and often start a movement and put it up for a public vote of Vermonters, but they always vote it down. The last time was when I lived in Vermont in the late 80's

This is cool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Mountain_Boys

No TX is the only state that can legally suceed.

Why?

Something about it being annexed and it was an agreement at that time. I don't know why we can split into different states though.

You mean split while still being a US state?

They can become its own country. We can also form into 5 US states.

It has something to do with the agreement when Texas became part of the USA.

Texas is also the ONLY state that can fly it's flag at the same level as the USA flag. All other states are suppose to fly there's lower or below the USA flag.

That's why TX is the "BEST" state. :o:o

The Vermont National Guard is a seperate militia from the US Army National Guard. They still call themselves the Green Mountain Boys like they did 230 years ago, and they fly the same identical flag they had back then! http://flagspot.net/flags/us-gmb.html

So Vermont is the only state with its own military.

Maybe the only one with a legal millitary. :o:o

And the Texas National Guard is our state army!! :p

Texas is also the ONLY state that can fly it's flag at the same level as the USA flag. All other states are suppose to fly there's lower or below the USA flag.



False.

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/texasflag.asp

You owe me one commemorative box case of Shiner 96.

wow, I hate to admit it, but I remember learning that in school. :confused:

wow, I hate to admit it, but I remember learning that in school. :confused:



They taught you in school to give me beer? Sweet!