I have been looking into some water bottles on the same size and durabililty level as the 32oz Nalgene water bottles only not made out of Lexan as they have been known to turn your water toxic. I have been looking online at the Sigg water bottles, but I can't seem to find dimensions for them anywhere and I was curious if they will fit into my Revolution Carolina bag drink holders without being loose. Any other bottle suggestions would be appreciated.
Brad

Where did you find info that suggests Nalgene bottles turn water toxic? I just bought a Nalgene bottle, and although 32 oz. seems like an awful lot of water to carry around to me for a sport as non-strenuaous as disc golf, i was considering using it and maybe not filling it all the way.

Does the toxiciity reveal itself in terms of taste or is it an invisible problem?

I used to use nalgene bottles on hiking trips in the mountains, the lexan making the water toxic was the least of my worries....just put some iodine tablets in there, you'll get used to the taste after a while :D

Here are a couple articles about it

http://www.mercola.com/2004/apr/7/nalgene_water.htm

http://www.yaleherald.com/article.php?Article=3068

In the first article, it says:

"Nalgene does make a high-density polyethylene (HDPE) bottle that is identical in size and shape to the more popular Lexan model and that is the one I will be getting."

the second article suggests that if you avoid using certain detergents to clean Lexan bottles there should be no problems.

I did purchase a Lexan version and have not used it much and only use dishwashing liquid that is mild (from www.gaiam.com (http://www.gaiam.com) ) and biodegradable. Still, thanks for the heads up -- I will probably buy a Nalgene bottle made of HDPE plastic now to replace my Lexan version.

I've worked in restaurants for 10+ years, and guess what, all the food containers in every restaurant are either stainless steel or Lexan go figure.

Here are a couple articles about it

http://www.mercola.com/2004/apr/7/nalgene_water.htm

http://www.yaleherald.com/article.php?Article=3068

This is an old story, dating from at least the mid-'90s, that is being revived by Sierra Club. The original scare involved baby bottles. Numerous follow-up studies conducted by academic, industry, and governmental entities (including the FDA, the European Union Scientific Committee on Foods, British Ministry of Agriculture, and the Japanese Ministry of Health), involving stricter controls and a far larger test populations (the study that sparked the controversey involved a total of 14 mice, half of which were the control group), failed to replicate the results reported in the original study (which, it should be noted, involved feeding bisphenol-A (BPA) to lab rats, rather than attempting to identify the conditions under which BPA could potentially leach out of polycarbonate plastics such as Lexan. Click here (http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/babybottle.html) for an overview of and links to the relevant research.

On the specific issue of BPA leaching from polycarbonate plastic, the study Leaching of bisphenol A (BPA) to seawater from polycarbonate plastic and its degradation by reactive oxygen species. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12586156&dopt=Abstract) (Sajiki J, Yonekubo J., published in Chemosphere, 2003 Apr 51(1):55-62) documented rates of 11 ng/day for seawater, 4.8 ng/day for river water 0.8 ng/day for control water at 37� C (98.6� F). In other words, for tap water, the rate at which BPA leaches from polycarbonate plastic is .0000000008 g/day (8 ten-billionths of a gram). To put that into perspective, lead and arsenic levels of 15 and 10 billionths of a gram per liter in drinking water are considered safe for human consumption. In other words, even assuming that BPA contamination is, in fact, a health risk (which recent research suggests is not the case), the health risk posed by lead or arsenic in drinking water is several orders of magnitude higher than that of BPA contamination.

Thanks Felix. Beat me to the punch and did a better job as well.

And TZ, this is just a casual observation, but I'm not sure you can keep up with a water bottle long enough to worry about toxicity. :D

I like the plastic squeeze bottles like they use in the NHL or NFL.. Nothing against the other bottles but I gotta have a lot of ice and the plastic bottles don't make near as much noise as the hard plastic nalgene bottles. I also like the pop up nipple type tops rather than taking the lid off. Do I need to even explain why the nipple top is better? :D

LOL at Scoob ... good one mate.

Not to a bicyclist! ;)
...I've heard what's quite risky is freezing water in certain kinds of plastics, and also microwaving plastic film over food.

I've heard what's quite risky is freezing water in certain kinds of plastics, and also microwaving plastic film over food.

The freezing water claim is almost certainly an urban legend, principally because it's based on faulty physics and chemistry ("almost," because there are certainly plastics that are not intended to be placed in contact with food or beverages, which could indeed pose a significant health risk if used for storing or preparing food; see Researcher Dispels Myth of Dioxins and Plastic Water Bottles (http://www.jhsph.edu/Press_Room/articles/Halden_dioxins.html); see also, Plastic-Tac-Toe (http://www.snopes.com/toxins/plastic.htm#add) on the Urban Legends Reference Page); microwaving or otherwise heating certain kinds of plastics can pose a health hazard, though (for an overview, see Does Plastic in Microwave Pose Health Problems? (http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Microwave-Health-Problems.htm), Wall Street Journal 12 Oct 1998.)

Bottom line:
"Unless you are drinking really bad water, you are more likely to suffer from the adverse effects of dehydration than from the minuscule amounts of chemical contaminants present in your water supply. Relatively speaking, the risk from exposure to microbial contaminants is much greater than that from chemicals." -- Rolf Halden, PhD, PE, assistant professor in the Department of Environmental Health Sciences and the Center for Water and Health at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Dr. Halden received his masters and doctoral degrees researching dioxin contamination in the environment.

Don't tell me that 'poodle' story is suspect, too!?!

Felix, thanks for prompting me to stand down from red alert. do you also leap over <font color="blue"> tall </font> buildings in a single bound? :D

Nothing against the other bottles but I gotta have a lot of ice...



No kidding you need your ice! That is why we had to stop at the convience store before The REAL Ice Bowl in 2001 to get you ice. Never mind that the temprature that day might have risen into the single digits!

Thanks Felix. Beat me to the punch and did a better job as well.

And TZ, this is just a casual observation, but I'm not sure you can keep up with a water bottle long enough to worry about toxicity. :D

or stay in restaurant for that matter, Jamie I guess you knew which thread to find me on! :D

Felix, thanks for prompting me to stand down from red alert. do you also leap over small buildings in a single bound? :D

Only with a running start and a favorable tailwind. :D

Felix, thanks for prompting me to stand down from red alert. do you also leap over small buildings in a single bound? :D

Only with a running start and a favorable tailwind. :D



:D i edited my post to reflect the proper phrase, but i see you answered faster than a speeding disc and so i was too late (i meant to say <font color="blue"> tall </font> buildings) :D

I'm not hear to try and convince people that Lexan is or isn't safe, if you want to use it go right ahead. I was just looking for some good alternatives.
I got the measurements for a sigg 1 liter bottle. 9.5 inches tall and 3.25 inches across the bottom, should be a nice fit in the bag, when I get mine I'll let anyone interested know how well it fits and works.

The link you provided points out that Nalgene offers a bottle not made of Lexan if that's what you want.

Is there some reason you are drawn to Sigg?

Some of those metal bottles aren't safe for alcohol. They do have them with a $pecial lining.
...more of a backpacker thing, when 'octane' counts.