Would someone be able to put together a chart that shows what years are what plastic? I don't think there are too many different variations here. Now if someone wanted to get real fancy, they could add in number of each weight/color/stamp/plastic! Wow, that would be cool. I don't think it got that busy until 2004, but I could be wrong.

All I really want to know is what plastics the USDGC Rocs came in since 2001. Thanks.

Champion Edition - '01, '02

Champion - '03, '04, '05, etc

first of all what determines ce from champion .if it is merely the chemistry in the plastic are'nt there variations of the ce plastic as well!!

The first 2 years were opaque, stiff, slick looking plastic.
The later years were variations of translucent to clear and softer. Last year's glow discs were opaque and stiffer, but I haven't thrown mine.

I haven't seen this year's crop, but some of the tournament stamps (whites) were pearly and more opaque.

01 and 02 were the old early run Champion Edition plastic and the 03, 04, and 05 are Champion Line plastic like the Champion disc you'd buy today. The Special Blends are opaque Champion Line, not the old opaque Champion Edition plastic, when I looked at the pics at first, I thought the Special Blends were like the original early run opaque Champion Edition plastic, but Dave says Special Blend means that they are in the Ontario mold, not that the plastic is a special blend...

The first 2 years were opaque, stiff, slick looking plastic.
The later years were variations of translucent to clear and softer. Last year's glow discs were opaque and stiffer, but I haven't thrown mine.

I haven't seen this year's crop, but some of the tournament stamps (whites) were pearly and more opaque.



My 01 is not stiff at all, it's a 178 and is softer than any but my light 04, actually they're about the same...

The 05s that I have seen and owned from the 1000 released at the USDGC were very clear and not pearly at all, they are stiff like a Champion Teebird or something...

Wow, all this plastic nonsense is really confusing, it definitely would be great if someone who had some free time and knew what they were doing could make a chart about this all :)

hehe...would that be the Roc you got from me? ;)

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that all of the 2005s were opaque. I do remember the white ones being a little stiffer, flatter, and more opaque than the other colors though.

While the 01's & 02's are both clasified as CE they are nothing like one another. The 01's are the original CE plastic and are flat. The 02's are diffrent. It seems more like a CE/SE blend. The 02's also have poppy tops like Super Rocs. I think the 02's in essence are CE Super Rocs.

01's are flat with very little dome. They are shaped like the ranchos of today only slightly flatter to real flat. I remember people haveing 02's and nobody wanting them.

01's imho are far superior in material and flight to the 02's and for that matter any subsequent CFR Roc. The only exception is my 04 Pearl. It is very similar to a seasoned 01. It likes to flex like the 01's and realy flies great.

yep, hard as a rock... no pun intended :D

If you look at the edge of an 01 next to others, it also looks different...

I thought 01s were Ranchos, but it looks nothing like any of my other rocs... is it a different mold or something, because when I hold it side by side of every other mold of roc, it looks quite a bit different... anyone know why this is??? :confused:

I'd also agree that 02s are like CE Super Rocs, the dome and nose is just like my old proto SE Super Roc, and much like the new Worlds Super Rocs...

but somehow 02s seem slightly less stable, as Super Rocs are more stable Rocs, and quite straight where as my Super Rocs all have a considerable amount of fade, I thought this might be because of the different plastics, but I thought that old early run CE plastic made things more stable...

anyone know anything about this either???

I have a Super Roc with flashing just like original CE. I also have one of the yellow Super Rocs from the fly mart PAW 2000 that says K.C. Pro Super Roc on the bottom :cool:

Ok, so 2001 and 2002 are CE. What about 2004 glow and 2005 glow? They are supposed to be CE, right?

I think they are made of the the same champion glow plastic that the campion glo fundraiser discs are made of. From what I have read in this thread the original CE (the opaque stuff that most everybody loves) was only made during the first two years.

nah...the glow aren't CE. They don't make anything out of Champion Edition plastic anymore...not even CFR's. Atleast that's what I've been told in the Dunipace thread.

nah...the glow aren't CE. They don't make anything out of Champion Edition plastic anymore...not even CFR's. Atleast that's what I've been told in the Dunipace thread.



correct ;) :D:)

2001 the 1500+ green and 6 or so red that were CE opaque plastic.
2001 also had the 40 clear CE plastic that were more stable than the green.

2005 if I remember right was more along the lines of Millenium Q plastic, which is basically CE plastic. And there were some that were as stable as the 2001's.

2003-2005 a majority of the discs are the newer champion plastic. However there were the opaque whites and 12 opaque reds from the 1000 that are nothing like the rest. flight characteristics on these is also more in line with the 2001 and 2004 glow.


The 2005 opaque red.


http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/03/64/5c/30_1_b.JPG

Thanks, just what I wanted to know. I actually thought the glow were CE, but at least the 2004 glows throw like the 2001 CE! I see a lot of "CE Rocs" on E-bay for sale, and I was pretty sure most of them were not CE, but I really was not sure which ones were! Thanks.

a disc being opaque has nothing to do with what plastic it is (yes, it was a characteritic of teh early run CE, but that doesn't mean any platic from Innova thats opaque is "real CE"), it has to do with the dye, weighting agents, etc. all discs (including opaque 04s and 05s and special blend 05s) after 02 they were the new Champion plastic...

i mean, its not like they specially made those opaque 05s or special blends or opaque 04s out of a different plastic, they didn't stop the run and change the plastic just so a select couple people could have the old CE, really think about it guys, that wouldn't be plausible from a cost perspective and probably not even possible from a production perspective, the old Chamion Edition TPU isn't even available anymore...
at least from what i've heard and what Dave told me when I asked him about all of the opaque ones and special blends...
I used to think the same thing (that these special opaque rocs and CFR TLs I had were CE), but then I realized how ridiculous/impossible that would be for a couple random discs in a run of Champion plastic disc to just magically come out CE

if you want a CE Roc, then go buy an 01 or 02, if you want a CE Roc for the flight characteristics (very overstable), go buy an 01 or Glow 04 (not CE, but flys sorta close to the same, not really though :D), thats the only way you'll get a "real Champion Edition" Roc, the rest are Champion Rocs, just regular old C hampion F und R aiser Rocs, just like their called...

Champion....CE they are almost identical

Really they are sooooooooo similar, I think its funny they ever changed the name. Well hell they had ProLine for a few months that was actually Champion plastic. that was just to confuse us even more...But my opinion says that they are so close that CE's and Champions could be considered the same thing. THough the original CE was a little bit more durable, but also more prone to actual gouges in the rim. To me...they are all just better plastic

The opaques may be from the same plastic but there is a difference between them and the clear plastic.

The opaque whites and reds from 05 are alot flatter on top. I have yet to run across a flat clear one. This makes them more stable and have characterisitcs similar to the 01 and glow 04. Not diffeent plastic, just a different top.

Check out this very rare CE Roc that will be available along with many other cool items at the Hall of Fame Auction, held in conjunction with the HOF Classic NT Event in Augusta.

Description: This very rare INNColor CE Roc is one of only 16 in existence and was given to me by tournament chairman, Harold Duvall and event director, Jonathan Poole for serving as competition director of the USDGC. Only 8 of these discs are currently in circulation and you cannot buy one anywhere. It features a Matt Peckham photograph of hole 1 at the Winthrop University Gold Course. It is 1 of only 16 INNColor Champion Rocs ever produced. My guess is that there will never be another opportunity for you to acquire one of these very special discs.
http://members.aol.com/hofclassic/usdgcroc.jpg

Wow! Thats the sweetest roc I have ever seen by far! I bet that will go for at least $500.

While I dont have an '02 to compare to the newer Champ. rocs, I do have two '01's and they are VERY different in feel and plastic. While the newer champ rocs are flat, I would say the '01 is flatter. NOTHING feels like an '01 to me in any of the champ rocs Ive held so far, and I have '03, '04, and '05's...but the '05 glows come close to FEEL and flight will be tested against each other tommorow.