Hey all,

For me, orcs are pretty much straight right out of the box. Maybe just *slightly* understable. What I'm wondering about is the stability of a ~160g orc. Anyone care to comment who has thrown or throws them?

Thanks!

Daniel

I love the orc but it has to be 170 and up. Anything lighter and my backhand is so powerful that it will cause the Orc to flip.

About a week ago I purchased a 156 and a 157. They are real gummy and flip easily. I have'nt thrown them yet but I know when I do throw that weight, I'll have to throw them with a hyzer so they will flip up and straighten or helix out. Normally that weight will not fly right in the wind so I stick with 170 and up.

I was throwing a Beast as my #1 driver but they started flipping all the time for me. Orc is more stable than a beast, so once my Orcs start flipping it will be time to rip Firebirds or something more stable than an Orc.

Nel

I love the orc but it has to be 170 and up. Anything lighter and my backhand is so powerful that it will cause the Orc to flip.

About a week ago I purchased a 156 and a 157. They are real gummy and flip easily. I have'nt thrown them yet but I know when I do throw that weight, I'll have to throw them with a hyzer so they will flip up and straighten or helix out. Normally that weight will not fly right in the wind so I stick with 170 and up.

I was throwing a Beast as my #1 driver but they started flipping all the time for me. Orc is more stable than a beast, so once my Orcs start flipping it will be time to rip Firebirds or something more stable than an Orc.

Nel



I have the same issue flippin Orcs, Thats why I have trying out some starfires and they are suppost to be a more overstable Orc, which seems true

Sweet Eric, I just recieved an X out 174 starfire in the mail today along with an 11 time Firebird. I will have to definately throw the SF and see how it does. If i like and is more stable than the orcs, I will probably buy alot of them..

thanks..

nel

I used to throw a beat in 174g Champ Beast and I could turn that thing over like mad, so I stepped my game up to a 162 Champ Orc looking for more overstability to keep my increasing power in check as I learned. I was very satisfied with the purchase as it did just that. After about 3 months I finally got to a point where I could occasionally roll it over, but it still doesn't effect my distance. My personal distance record of 450 ft. was set with that disc. I can corroborate the claim that the light Orcs are gummier; my 162 is quite flexy and grippy.

I also agree that the 162 Orc is worthless in a headwind, but I don't know if Firebird is the answer there. Maybe just a 168-172 Orc so it doesn't blow around so much.

I love the hyzer release. I used to use it on the Beast to keep it in check, then after I lost it I decided to try out the Viking. The Viking at 172 feels just like my old Beast, but maybe a touch less speed and a bit more glide.

I really like the 160g Orc, I throw with a little Annie and it flips flat with little turn on the end. I'm not a big arm, 400' would be a long throw for me. All my other disc's are in the mid 170's.

1st of all, chuggernaut, I think that: that has to be the funniest Avatar I think have ever seen.

2nd. I know the Firebird isnt the best answer, but it sure is the most predictable one. I know however I throw it, it is going to go straight, then turn at the same points. More often than not, it will fly straight about the same distance and then turn at about the same time... So I would choose predictability(stableness) over loss of control with an Orc but maybe a max-weight Orc might do. Kenny C probably endorses/throws the Firebird for that sole reason. ( because it's predictable )

Don't get me wrong, I do not want to take credit away from the Orc, after all it is my #1 driver.


my thoughts

nel

I love light orcs as I (a weenie arm, 350 or so is a good drive for me) can throw them with a little hyzer and have them do this nice little hyzer flip like my beaten teebird does, just with a nice more predictable fade...

i have a first run clear 163 orc and its hard as my 175 orc, i wish it was gummy like the ones you guys are talking about

Hey all,

For me, orcs are pretty much straight right out of the box. Maybe just *slightly* understable. What I'm wondering about is the stability of a ~160g orc. Anyone care to comment who has thrown or throws them?

Thanks!

Daniel



Stability is in the arm of the disc thrower.

I throw both Orcs and Beasts as my main 400ft+ drivers, I switch depending on the wind. I can get about the same distance out of each disc, however the Beast makes a wider s-curve then the Orc.

I can flip over an Orc if I over tourqe it, or throw it into a strong head wind. I have found that the first run SE/Champion mix Orcs which are domey are more stable then the subsequent flatter runs.

As far as weight goes, you cannot go by someone saying that a 156g Orc is understable when that person typically throws 170g+ discs. I throw all my discs at Max weight (with exception to a 170g tournament stamp Z-wasp, which is my CE Roc subsistute) that way I can tell the stability differences between my discs.

I throw a 159 non gummy champ orc for low ceiling straight drives. Thrown flat it goes straight for 90% of its flight. I've tried a 162 Pro Orc but it was much too flippy. For stability comparison I throw my other main drivers Wildcats and Sidewinders in the low 170's.

I have been auditioning a gummy 150g Xout Orc in my bag for a couple of weeks. I find it a pretty straight S-flyer with a little more high-speed turn & a little more low-speed fade than my Teebirds. But, as with pretty much any ultra-lightweight disc, bad technique (off-axis torque) will cause it to flip, crash, & burn.

150-class is a great way to hone your driving technique. And, once you get that gummy plastic in your hands, it's hard to put down!

I use 2 orcs right now 172 and 162. The heavy is for winds and hyzer drives, while I use the light one for any tunnel in the woods and tight S curves. I just like how the light one seems effortless to put on the S line. I would be lost without both of them.

I've got several new 165g Champion Orcs that will turn over if I throw them low and hard, or into a headwind. And since I'm hardly a power thrower, I'd recommend that if stability is what you are looking for, you need to stay well above that weight.

I've been playing around with a 159 champ orc. My first thoughts are that it's a fantastic disc, and goes real far...

After using if for a little bit, I don't totally trust it, I can't seem to predict when it'll flip, and believe me it does. When I want it to flip, it'll hyzer, and vice versa. Because of the unpredicability factor I've switched to a 162 champ beast, which is definitely doing the trick. When there is zero head wind or a nice tailwind I do throw the orc because I get more D. It does seem to be able to go nice and straight with a gentle S. I think the key, at that weight at least, is to never throw it into a headwind, and don't pull too hard, or the torque will flip it right over.

What I was going to use it for was for those REALLY long holes where you need absolute D. When I'm on form, I can pump an orc ~400' but I want something that does more of an S curve than my regular orcs. I'm throwing a 168g (pretty straight) and a 175g (fairly overstable) right now.

I was really curious to see if I could get ~50' or so more with something more understable, like a lighter Orc. I used to throw wildcats, but can get more D with Orcs.

Daniel

Discndude, if you can pump a 168g Orc 400 feet straight, I don't know that you necessarily would get an extra 50' and a big S curve out of a lighter one. You might badly flip a lighter one over and get anhyzer shots or even worse, unintended cut rollers.

1st of all, chuggernaut, I think that: that has to be the funniest Avatar I think have ever seen.



I was just thinking that too.

it is awfully hysterical. It's still got me rolling 3 days later..

nel

Lung,

That's what i was afraid of. The longer a disc turns over and glides (assuming you have enough speed and height), the more distance you will get. I've spoken with several guys who throw over 600' easily (like Mark MacAlister for one) who have told me to try something more understable to get this "hang time."

Right now, my distance shots are straight, then hyzer, with very little turnover in the middle. That's why I'm even considering lightweight orcs.

Just my $.02

Daniel