Here's a pretty good topic...

Barry won the PDGA worlds last year so he gets to have a second disc added to his signature series. Players who have a signature disc get a few pennies per disc (.10 to .25) not sure.

When Barry won last time he chose the 'Beast'. I'd say that it sells pretty well but driver models get replaced yearly by the newer, faster, longer models and sales die out.

Climo hit big with aviars, and rocs... they will be top sellers for ever. Tee-Birds have hung strong but seem to be an anomoly. The KC cheetah isn't a huge seller, KC firebirds don't fly off the shelves (or do they? litterally? anyway...) KC Banshee not a big seller since the advent of the firebird. KC Gazelle... haven't seen too many of those in peoples bags.

so....

The choice for Barry's second signature disc would seem to point to the Orc... but... won't the Orc be old news in a year when the next great driver comes out?

I would lean towards getting a Schultz aviar in some different type of plastic... like the JK series did. This could be a seller for years to come... but would Innova do that for him? Prolly not.

What do you think Barry should do?

-tB

Classic Roc, or get on Sharks including those 150 class ones being used for E.D.G.E.

Barry Aviars would be nice, maybe bring back the DX big beads with a schultz stamp.

Barry Aviars would be nice, maybe bring back the DX big beads with a schultz stamp.



Not sure but aren't KC aviars big beads?
Innova seems pretty adamant about not making DX big beads any more.

I would suspect it would need to be a disc he throws. Barry was talking up the Leopard in his PDGA Radio interview, so perhaps the Schultz Leopard.

todd, yes the kc's are the big bead/ driver mold. i wish innova would make a run of Grids :D

I would suspect it would need to be a disc he throws. Barry was talking up the Leopard in his PDGA Radio interview, so perhaps the Schultz Leopard.



I think that the leopard would make a descent choice. It has held up as a fairly popular driver for some time now.

The Leopard does seem like a good choice. It's frequently suggested as a beginner's disc or a roller, more so that the Gazelle. Beginners like stuff with pro's names on it. Him actually throwing it is a bouns.

The Sidewinder might be a good choice. Sure there are new distance discs that come out all the time, but how many of them are designed as turnover discs or rollers? It will probably be replaced eventually, but not as quick as some of the other drivers.

The Spider might be good. I'll bet that if he can talk them into pushing it more they could get a lot of people to consider it instead of a Roc because of how much more available they are in premuim plastic.

It might be a bit more of a gamble but I bet if he could convince Innova to make a Barry Shultz Champion Gator it might be a popular disc.

it would need to be disc he uses. i dont think barry uses the gator or spider. he's got ROCS :D

The Sidewinder might be a good choice. Sure there are new distance discs that come out all the time, but how many of them are designed as turnover discs or rollers? It will probably be replaced eventually, but not as quick as some of the other drivers.

Understable drivers don't seem to have a very good track record. Some that come to mind are Eclipse (was the bomb until something more stable came along), Archangel (never heard of it? just another understable driver), Reapers, Stingrays, Cheetahs, Gazelles (some were stable), etc...

I would really like to see a Barry Champion Jaguar! :)

I heard that Barry really wants it to be the Leopard....

I think he should do the Orc or the Firebird - KC Firebirds have long been forgotten b/c of CE Firebirds.

Dont all the new Champ Firebirds have Kennys name on them???

Dont all the new Champ Firebirds have Kennys name on them???



Thats what I though.

I would love to see Barry's name on a Pro Leopard or a Classic Aviar. I've recently become a fan of both of these discs.

The KC Firebirds were great sellers until they discontinued the plastic. I really wouldnt count on him getting a Sidewinder since Dave D. said it may surpass the Stingray or Orc as the most produced disc.I cant see Innova giving him the Orc or the Shark. A Leopard would be cool, if it wasnt one of the newer ones.I think itd be cool if they ran off some Leopards in the old CE and sold them with a Schultz stamp and a premium.

Leopard would be great because no one has ever had there name on a leopard, remember pro line leopard?

I remember!

The Sidewinder might be a good choice. Sure there are new distance discs that come out all the time, but how many of them are designed as turnover discs or rollers? It will probably be replaced eventually, but not as quick as some of the other drivers.



Understable drivers don't seem to have a very good track record. Some that come to mind are Eclipse (was the bomb until something more stable came along), Archangel (never heard of it? just another understable driver), Reapers, Stingrays, Cheetahs, Gazelles (some were stable), etc...






I was just making wild, fairly uneducated guesses. I thought it would be fun to suggest discs that aren't the Leopard, which to me seem to be the obvious choice. You're probably right about the Sidewinder.

It is ironc that you picked the Archangel as the disc I haven't heard of because of all the friends I have that play, that's probably the most common disc they all use (big bunch of newbies).

I happen to have a CE archangel... not too many of those around. ;)

how about the starfire!!

I really think the Sidewinder will stick around for a while. It is a really long disc.

Maybe he should just take the Orc.

definately orc's will be around for a while!!

how about the starfire!!



That would be a good disc. I like the starfire.
Thing is....

Innova puts a premium price on starfires. I think they are still $25 and you can only buy them as fundraiser discs at tournaments.

Fundraiser disc: If Innova sponsors your tournament (where you are the TD), in lieu of cash, they send a box of starfires which must (i think) be sold for $25 a piece. Use this cash as sponsorship for your tournament. Great idea.

I think that Schwebby and I even have to pay $25 to get starfires.... anyway... this makes them low volume sales items... Barry would want to pick a high volume seller since he would get paid by the piece.

-tB

LEOPARD!

I find them to be as useful and versitile as a roc. And just a hair longer off the teebox. I personally carry 5 of them. CE, SE, (old) Pro, Champion, and a DX. All different stabilities. Great for 340ft b-line drives. And rollers.

I think the Leopard is way too old of a disc to be a hot seller. It has to be something new, fast and popular. Orc or sidewinder.

Kid, are Rocs, Aviars, and Teebirds too old and boring to still sell? :eek:

They could always retool the Wolf. Who doesn't need a broken-in Roc like disc straight out of the box?

Another choice would be to bring back the TL and have his name on it. I know it's a fundraiser but it's a good one.

Hey Todd, when are we gonna get a Rhyno with our name on it?

Kid, are Rocs, Aviars, and Teebirds too old and boring to still sell? :eek:



These all belong to the Climo empire.

Yes, but they're all old yet still sell well. BS doesn't necessarily need to put his name on a newer disc like Kid Roc said. :)

Hey Todd good topic. Hope you had a great time at the Big Chill here in Wisconsin. I was glad to see you and Barry were partners again.

I would say give Barry a Aviar or possibly a Leopard. he deserves it.

Hamm

They could always retool the Wolf. Who doesn't need a broken-in Roc like disc straight out of the box?

Another choice would be to bring back the TL and have his name on it. I know it's a fundraiser but it's a good one.

Hey Todd, when are we gonna get a Rhyno with our name on it?



I think the Shark is supposed to be a broken in Roc out of the box. Lets face it... with so many types of Rocs out there there are plenty of new Rocs you can grab that fly like broken in Rocs.

Kenny might own the TL since it's technically a TeeBird.

If I ever win Pro Worlds (two tries left) I'll take the Rhyno. Ask Heeren... he watched me throw em all weekend. I love the Rhyno.... loooooove the Rhy..... no.......

Teebirds, Rocs and Aviars are the staples of Innova plastic. Those will always be great sellers.

The Leopard has been an average popularity disc since it came out. Not even CLOSE to the level of the Teebird.

Why can you still buy CE Leopards for $30 when Valks, Firebirds and Teebirds are $50 minimum.

I am not trying to say that the disc isn't good enough. I don't like Leopards but I have seen some people throw them well.

If Barry wants to make some cash, he needs a new popular disc.

Teebirds, Rocs and Aviars are the staples of Innova plastic. Those will always be great sellers.

The Leopard has been an average popularity disc since it came out. Not even CLOSE to the level of the Teebird.

Why can you still buy CE Leopards for $30 when Valks, Firebirds and Teebirds are $50 minimum.

I am not trying to say that the disc isn't good enough. I don't like Leopards but I have seen some people throw them well.

If Barry wants to make some cash, he needs a new popular disc.



You are correct that the leopard has only fair popularity, but it has sustained it's fair popularity for a fair amount of time. Orcs are great, but who knows, the new Starshot (or whatever) might be even greater and nobody buys Orcs any more.... this is happening with the beast now.

Gotta think long term... not quick payoff.

-tB

Again this is something that Barry would choose. Like he choose to throw the Beast and it became his signature disc then.

So it could be a Leopard since he throws it allot.

I agree with you completly Todd. But, it is a business decision and there is some guessing involved. Personally, I think the Orc will stick around longer than the Beast did. I think it is a lot better disc and it will be hard for Innova to top it. Hopefully, they will prove me wrong.

I just see so many new players go to the store and buy Orcs. Not many buy Leopards because they are not the "cool, new disc that will make them good." lol

Again this is something that Barry would choose. Like he choose to throw the Beast and it became his signature disc then.

So it could be a Leopard since he throws it allot.



I think that the Leopard and the Shark (sharks arent the most popular but innova accidentally made a run of very overstable sharks that fly a lot like 2001 CE Rocs that were great! I throw one for an overstable midrange) are good choices. The Orc would be a gamble that could pay off. A special type of 'Barry' aviar (big bead) would be fantastic but hard to talk Dunnipace into.

Maybe with the new 'Barry' big bead (the B3... I like that... B-cubed) we could finally win the ice bowl! ;)

Maybe he could opt for a line of clothing instead.

I agree with you completly Todd. But, it is a business decision and there is some guessing involved. Personally, I think the Orc will stick around longer than the Beast did. I think it is a lot better disc and it will be hard for Innova to top it. Hopefully, they will prove me wrong.

I just see so many new players go to the store and buy Orcs. Not many buy Leopards because they are not the "cool, new disc that will make them good." lol



Orcs might just stick around a while ... I like 'em. I'm looking forward to the DX-Orc.... hope they call it a Dork. Maybe the CE-Orc could be the Cork. An FX mixed with an Orc? You got it ... the Fork. ;)

I agree with you completly Todd. But, it is a business decision and there is some guessing involved. Personally, I think the Orc will stick around longer than the Beast did. I think it is a lot better disc and it will be hard for Innova to top it. Hopefully, they will prove me wrong.

I just see so many new players go to the store and buy Orcs. Not many buy Leopards because they are not the "cool, new disc that will make them good." lol



Orcs might just stick around a while ... I like 'em. I'm looking forward to the DX-Orc.... hope they call it a Dork. Maybe the CE-Orc could be the Cork. An FX mixed with an Orc? You got it ... the Fork. ;)



Put the pipe down and step away. :D

SIMMMA DOWN A LITTLE.....Barry doesn't need the ORC...I mean after I RULE THE WORLD this year, with my new toys, they will need a disc to put my name on. :D:o:D and I like the ORC! ALOT!

:D:o:) :cool::D ;) :p :D

lol

:p

Like a audience member at a game show. "Take the orc" "Take the orc"

I'm not a huge fan of the orc, but I doubt it's blend of stability and speed will be surpassed soon.

In my mind at least, the pro shark has huge potential, simply as an alternative to rocs, but judging by the popularity of the roc, it would be a gamble.

Maybe he needs a new model called the "Barry One"

Hey lets keep this topic on track... haha

SIMMMA DOWN A LITTLE.....Barry doesn't need the ORC...I mean after I RULE THE WORLD this year, with my new toys, they will need a disc to put my name on. :D:o:D and I like the ORC! ALOT!

:D:o:) :cool::D ;) :p :D

lol



Maybe they could come up with a model that will instill a little confidence in Kevin. :)

Well, it would be the second disc named after a 'famous' cheesehead, consider the "Hamm, er" well, maybe not :D

:DMaybe I'll just stick to Action Figures

speaking of action figures....I SHOULD be suing those jokers that stole my action figure idea and used it for some cheesy Super Bowl ad. :o

I CLOWN! :D:o;) :p

hehe Chuck...

Well, it would be the second disc named after a 'famous' cheesehead, consider the "Hamm, er" well, maybe not :D



I'm laughing Mia [*****] off.

Teebirds, Rocs and Aviars are the staples of Innova plastic. Those will always be great sellers.

The Leopard has been an average popularity disc since it came out. Not even CLOSE to the level of the Teebird.

Why can you still buy CE Leopards for $30 when Valks, Firebirds and Teebirds are $50 minimum.

I am not trying to say that the disc isn't good enough. I don't like Leopards but I have seen some people throw them well.

If Barry wants to make some cash, he needs a new popular disc.



You are correct that the leopard has only fair popularity, but it has sustained it's fair popularity for a fair amount of time. Orcs are great, but who knows, the new Starshot (or whatever) might be even greater and nobody buys Orcs any more.... this is happening with the beast now.

Gotta think long term... not quick payoff.

-tB



I agree the Orc is definitely a popular, hot-seller right now, but maybe with Barry's name and endorsement, the Leopard could see a rise in sales. With Barry singing the praises of the Leopard (listen to the June 21, 2004 PDGA radio news), maybe players (newbies and experienced) would start to think that Leopards were cool because Barry's name is on it and because he throws them. After hearing Barry say that learning a Leopard would "take strokes off your game", I know I became less self-conscious about having one in my bag.

I see countless posts on the message boards from newbies looking for advice on discs and the Leopard is one of the discs that people recommend for new players. There's a pretty large market of newbies, rec and casual players that might be more inclined to follow this advice if they knew that one of the greatest players in the world likes and throws this disc.

In some ways the Orc seems like a no-brainer because it's so hot right now, but I think it would be really cool to see the old Leopard get some glory. If it worked and the Leopard grew in popularity, it would definitely show the marketing potential that Barry has.

Very interesting topic and I can't wait to see what he chooses. :)

BS Bulldog! :cool:

Yes the Bulldog would be good too. He has been using them allot lately here at home in Wisconsin.

just curious , will the quarter k affect american disc production if it is a hit!! will innova, discraft etc. have mold changes to accomadate!! my point is who knows what the next great seller will be and what new technology is right around the corner!! i vote orc!! for best financial incentive!!

Im still a fan of the Beast. DX Beast is longer than a Orc anyways. Does Barry get a taste of the DX, Pro Beasts or just the BS Beasts?

Personally, I think the Beast got a raw deal with all the discs that got released around the same time, where I live people went to Monsters mainly, or Vikings, and then obviously to the Orcs.I throw all the Beasts, but in particular like the Pro Lines{1st runs} and DX best.

the beast is in my bag instead of the ORC. orcs are great discs and i plan on learning a couple in the very near future, but the BS beast is just sweet! :D

20460chase, try the new PRO Beast. I would compare it's flight similiar to the Pro Line Beast IMHO and cheaper to replace.

PT Woods
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BS Leopard would be AWESOME! :D

I like the shark idea. Maybe Barry can get the populartity of a shark so high that everyone will switch to them and I will be able to get old and new rocs easier.

hey, what would Climo do??????//?

Keep throwing rocs like everyone else is going to do :D

i'd take the hydro, i mean hydra. what a awesome disc man!

Barry actually throws the DX Beast more than the Champion (I think).

Barry actually throws the DX Beast more than the Champion (I think).



Thats the way I heard it too.

He also said in an interview that this year he was throwing a lot of DX Valks. Too bad JK beat him to that one.

That sidewinder sure does go far. I don't know if it would be a bad pick. I am really skeptical about new discs and don't jump on too many new models but I really like the Sidewinder.

It seems like a Valk and a TL mixed. Valk stability and more dome and glide (like the TL).

It may last a while. You never know.

20460chase, try the new PRO Beast. I would compare it's flight similiar to the Pro Line Beast IMHO and cheaper to replace.

PT Woods
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I have been waiting for them to come in! The Pro Line I throw started as a roller {forehand} then just became a really great stable to understable flyer.Its a clearer version. I think the best DX Beasts were the second runs, they seem to be pretty stable.I also have a DX that is all gummy, you can almost roll it up.

That sidewinder sure does go far. I don't know if it would be a bad pick. I am really skeptical about new discs and don't jump on too many new models but I really like the Sidewinder.



It seems like a Valk and a TL mixed. Valk stability and more dome and glide (like the TL).

It may last a while. You never know.



I been throwing a 170g 1st run X-out Viking that has almost exactly the same flight as a Star Stamped Sidewinder.

Doudt that Barry would ever indorse a Viking... I'm pretty sure that he does not get anything from DX plastic. The leopard seems like the best choice as he considers it as a long Roc. I like the sound of a "Barry Bulldog" however..

Barry Schultz Viking ... hahaha ... like that would ever happen!?!? :o

How about a CE Gator, but change Florida name and give it some Wisconsin flavor ..... call it the Buck Shot.

The BS BS ---> Barry Schultz Buck Shot ;)

I wasnt suggesting Barry get a Viking.If you notice the quote from above,I was commenting to Kid about a disc similar in flight to the Sidewinder.

Does Barry even throw a Sidewinder? If he does, it would be as his roller. No way he uses that flippy ***** for airshots.

But that flippy *****, does roll a LONG WAY!

2x BS Leopard!

Maybe Barry should pick up a buzzz and a ZPred!!!

Maybe not.

Maybe Barry should pick up a buzzz and a ZPred!!!



yeah, because obviously they are working out for his competition much better than his current manufacturer is working out for himself.

That'd be like Jeff Gordon trading in his Chevy for a Kia.

Maybe Barry should pick up a buzzz and a ZPred!!!



That'd be like Jeff Gordon trading in his Chevy for a Kia.



LMFAO!

2x BS Bulldog. I would love to throw some hyzer bomb approaches with a gummy Champion Bulldog.

yeah, because obviously they are working out for his competition much better than his current manufacturer is working out for himself.

That'd be like Jeff Gordon trading in his Chevy for a Kia.



Actually it wouldnt be anything like that because Innova and Discraft discs perform at the same level and its the person throwing them not the discs.

And if you could get all the power and handling he has in his chevy into a Kia i bet you he could drive it just as well.

Its not the arrow its the indian.

Word *******!!!
Dont forget Innova came out with the Hydra!!!

Im still a fan of the Beast. DX Beast is longer than a Orc anyways.



Schweb has a proto DX Orc. Just wait. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Barry actually throws the DX Beast more than the Champion (I think).



Thats the way I heard it too.

He also said in an interview that this year he was throwing a lot of DX Valks. Too bad JK beat him to that one.

Proto DX Valks, they are as stable as Firebirds.

Actually it wouldnt be anything like that because Innova and Discraft discs perform at the same level and its the person throwing them not the discs.

And if you could get all the power and handling he has in his chevy into a Kia i bet you he could drive it just as well.




Oh, Pimp, you're hilarioius. We all see through your pathetic attempts to gain sponsorship from Discraft. :o

How about the BS wizard or spirit? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

HA the "BS DISC" :eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :D ;) :cool::D

I wanna see a Champion B.S.Barracuda :cool:

I would like to see a champion 150 B.S. condor! It will probably never happen though. It will probably end up being the leopard or the bulldog. They should make a run of gummy bulldogs and call them the CHEESEBISKIT! :D

They should make a run of gummy bulldogs and call them the CHEESEBISKIT! :D

Or an approach disc called the CHEESE WEDGE! ;) Yellow would be a nice color too. :p

It wouldn't make much sense to give Barry a model that is already a signature disc (Aviar, Valkyrie, Firebird, etc.) or one he doesn't carry in his bag. .

Besides, shouldn't this be left up to Barry and Dave or have they requested advice? :D

I think it's pretty cool that Juliana has the Valkyrie and only a guy with an inferiority complex would be afraid to throw her signature discs.

Pshh...I love my JK Valks. I wish I could find more first run max weight 4x Valks(the opaque ones).

.

Besides, shouldn't this be left up to Barry and Dave or have they requested advice? :D





Yeah, but we can talk about it. Barry was undecided about what to chose. I thought I'd consult the brain trust here at the PDGA disc-ussion forum.... that's all.

what was the final cosensus? leopard , shark!!

BS Bulldog. The sticky/tacky putter of choice by a World Champion!

Bulldog >>> A Dragon/Hydra-plastic putter - I could see either of these used Turbo-style just because of the grippiness.

DUH!

If we wants to make money per sale of disc, why not the Barry Mini?

And when it's on the ground,

It could be a Barry Mini Low.

nice :cool:

The Pro Leopard I would have to agree, Revive the leopards legacy. It's very predictable and a MUST have in everyones bag.

Sidewinder would be where the money is ... right?

That is what I think too.

And when it's on the ground,

It could be a Barry Mini Low.



Bah-dun, ching!

BS Bulldog...again!

I think it will be a new disc model. Something close to a starfire. On second thought, stick with the safe bet, and a great disc the Leopard.

I overheard Barry talking to Ray Murray at the Big Show about this very topic and Barry said he was undecided but he wanted it to be a disc that he throws.

Can't wait to see what he decides.

Are leopards really good sellers?

Barry is the only person that I have seen throwing a leopard in a long time.

:confused:

There are alot of people throwing Leopards down in these short wooded southern courses. They are dead straight out of the box, have a nice slow turn to them, and eventually beat into sweet rollers. I have 4 of them, and am soon going to buy a fifth, a SE Leopard! I personally think alot people would buy it just because Barry endorses it. Plus ALOT of beginners throw Leopards.

I would bet that a new plastic aviar would sell better.

If Dunipace is reading-A BS big bead Aviar would be the best choice. The new Pro Aviars just SUCK, the plastic is no good. Discontinue please, and make a run softer than KC and harder than JK. BS AVIAR!!!!!!!!!!!

Are leopards really good sellers?

Barry is the only person that I have seen throwing a leopard in a long time.

:confused:

I love my Leopards, I have been throwing it since 2000.

I listened to the PDGA radio internet broadcast with the "other champ" months ago and remember hearing Barry mention "leopard". This was in the "what it's in the bag?" segment of the interview.

I went out and got a leopard that week and have loved it ever since.

Leopard gets my vote, advertising works.

I listened to the PDGA radio internet broadcast with the "other champ" months ago and remember hearing Barry mention "leopard". This was in the "what it's in the bag?" segment of the interview.

I went out and got a leopard that week and have loved it ever since.

Leopard gets my vote, advertising works.



That is of course if he doesn't choose my earlier advice of the "Barry Mini" which I still thinks he'd cash forever with.

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Elite & Professional players

From researching extensivly over the MANY discgolf web sites that I've been searching through, IF you really wanted to work on your long distance drives.

Using the Base 10 method. And executing a consistant GRIP, REACH Fully BACK, PULL straight THROUGH, and RELEASE. With a pretty consistant Rip.... a SNAP.

You could max out your distance DRILLS using the old plastic more better than candy plastic.

using:

DX Orc
DX Valkyrie
DX Beast
DX T-Bird
G1i Saber
Leopard

What Is your choice of these Disc's?

The Champion Leopard was one of the first champion plastic's to hit the martket and could very well be the Cream of the crop, is this true?

Having 12 Of the same disc {for training purposes only}

The DX Plastic's of the for mentioned Disc's above, And the champion Leopard should be the main focus for disc's used for maximum distance TRAINING, could this be said, to be true?
Also having that many disc's of one kind, you'd really never have to worry about losing your main disc and have to mess with the ever changing candy plastic's syndrome.

WHAT Are your thoughts on type's of plastic, and Disc's

For over-all maximum Distance?

Does ANY body know how I can contact Barry Schultz?

Minnesota Dan
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did anyone understand the previous post?

I think it is posted to the wrong thread. I read this already under Technique.

nope

I was curious if there was any development in this? Did Barry get a new disc yet?

I am now in line with the Bulldog. This thing is a sick putter. If you dont know, you better find one.

preTTy sure it is going to be the Leopard.

They are not going to change the mold for the Leopard are they? It is a great disc.

They're going to put a Tee Bird bottom on it and call it the B.S. Leopard "T"...!

(jk) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Intriguing choice by Barry.

The Pro Starfire is where the moneys at!

SO...whats the verdict...what disc has Barry chosen?

i believe a leopard?

The Pro Starfire is where the moneys at!



yes indeed , that would be a good choice!! :D

I can hear it now... the Schleopard!! :cool:

Barry has chosen the Champion Leopard as his next signature disc. It will be released once the current stock has sold out.

Barry has chosen the Champion Leopard as his next signature disc. It will be released once the current stock has sold out.



This may be a stupid question, but what will be the difference be between the Champion Leopard and the BS Leopard?

Barry has chosen the Champion Leopard as his next signature disc. It will be released once the current stock has sold out.



This may be a stupid question, but what will be the difference be between the Champion Leopard and the BS Leopard?

The hotstamp.

The hotstamp.



Does that make it throw better?

Barry has chosen the Champion Leopard as his next signature disc. It will be released once the current stock has sold out.



I heard the current stock is pretty high?

Champion Leopards rock. I throw em for big annie distance. I also throw them for anything straight that I need good glide and minimal fade. They are also awesome for long hyzers. Throw with more hyzer than youwant and they fadeto a lesser hyzer and hold the line like a plane taking a bank turn. Not really a hyzer, but a powered turn.

I am often amazed at the distance I get uphill with the Champion Leopard. I had abirdie putt today on Renaissance Gold 5, a long uphill tunnel shot outdrove the righties who were throwing teebirds. nothing flies uphill like a leopard!