wsfaplau
Feb 03 2005, 07:44 PM
After the first round of a tourney players are correctly listed on the scoreboard for hole 3 in the order of ABCD. All have individual scorecards. When the players arrive at the tee for the second round, the cards are in the order of ACBD. According to rule 801.02A, what is the correct order to tee off to avoid a courtesy violation for throwing out of turn? With the rule reading this OR this OR this , there appears to be more than 1 right answer.
ck34
Feb 03 2005, 07:59 PM
If it's individual cards, the correct order would be based on scores, not how the cards were ordered since that could change in the process of transport to the tee. If it's a single card, you go by the order on the card. It's either a TD mistake or perhaps a player got a penalty that occurred after you saw the order on the board which changed it. It's only a courtesy violation if someone warns the person(s). If it boils down to a vote in the group on the warning (which I'm not sure is an option here), then an official could be called in the event of a tie. Pretty extreme example.
wsfaplau
Feb 03 2005, 08:01 PM
Actually, the cards being out of order happens frequently. The courtesy violation being called would be extreme.
Does it really matter? Just duece the hole so you can go first next time.
gnduke
Feb 03 2005, 08:34 PM
Not really a problem.
801.02.A. Teeing order on the first teeing area is determined by the order in which the scorecards were filled out or by the order the players were listed or arranged on the scoreboard.
There are really only 2 options one referring to the scorecard and the other referring to the scoreboard.
Option 1) "the order in which the scorecards were filled out"
With separate cards, there is no way to know the order in which the score cards were filled out so this option doesn't work with this situation.
Option 2) "the order the players were listed or arranged on the scoreboard"
I don't know the difference between listing and arranging, but this is the fallback position for individual scorecards.
If it is the first round, and there was no scoreboard listing, I say the oldest player goes first. :cool:
ck34
Feb 03 2005, 08:39 PM
The traditional tiebreaker used at Worlds is lower PDGA number (which is also usually older).
rhett
Feb 03 2005, 08:40 PM
If it's a round subsequent to the first round, and there are individual scorecards, and the order of the scorecards has been somehow jumbled, and the hole you are on is quite a distance from tourney central...... :)
I would say that you just agree, as a group, to some order of play.
bruce_brakel
Feb 03 2005, 09:04 PM
Under the 2006 rules rewrite, issues like this are supposed to be decided by Scissors, Paper, Rock.
idahojon
Feb 04 2005, 12:51 AM
Under the 2006 rules rewrite, issues like this are supposed to be decided by Scissors, Paper, Rock.
That would be "Rock, Paper, Scissors." After all, ESPN had the World Championships on in December. Now, why can't we get disc golf on TV?
If the scores for the players from the first round were different then you would go lowest score first. But if they were all the same, I guess I would say who ever would of had the box first as if the rounds went back to back without break. Just like you would in the middle of a round. But I do like paper rock scissors.
tbender
Feb 04 2005, 11:30 AM
I prefer Ninja, Cowboy, Indian.
idahojon
Feb 04 2005, 11:32 AM
I prefer Ninja, Cowboy, Indian.
I'm afraid to ask.