Hey fellow dger's this is Jason Terry from Victoria. I started this thread to get info on the history and expieriences at our local course. Our local newspaper has agreed to do an article on discgolf and our local course. So, anything that you can submit from your first time here or dates of tourneys etc... will help alot.

Also, when the first tourney was here, how long the course has been here and all of that good stuff. I know this course has been here along time, but dates would help alot to get this sport known better here.

You could probably pm Houck and get all of the early facts straight. He designed the course and ran the first tourneys. Nothing notable to write, but almost everyone I know considers the course to be a real gem.

Established 1998

One of Texas' longest and most challenging - long tough holes (one 700 ft.) and short tricky ones. Big and beautiful, bordering the Guadalupe River. 9-Mach3/9-Discatcher.

This is from the directory.

get a hold of John Houck......he knows all the details
I think I played my first Vinnitoria...I mean Victoria in 1989.

98.....nah

It was there long before 1998, but I'm not sure of the exact date. Probably 1989 - 1991 range.

Yeah, I used to play there back when it was an object course, before baskets. We had white lines painted on the trees. Scores were alot lower when all you had to do was hit between the white lines!!!! :D

What's up Vinnie? John doesn't accept p.m.'s Maybe someone could let him know about this thread and he could give up some info. If not, I'll be in Wimberly Saturday. Maybe I can catch him there?

Played my first 'out of town' disc golf down in Victoria, Feb. 20-21, 1993. It was the first of eight stops for the Circular Skies '93 tour.

The city(?) stocked a city pool with trout for fishing after the saturday round.

As others have posted, I'm sure that Mr. Houck can give you more details. John gave out mini's with the Super Bowl score, "52-17, we blocked a punt!" commerating the Bill's lone accomplishment.

ahh the trout was so fun...
I don't remember you from then.....wow so much time.
And JAB I am still holdoing them SW for you
I will email houck to respond to the thread

John doesn't accept p.m.'s



Is he a big shot? :D

Call up circular productions, first tell Shannon or Alex to get off their butt, then ask them what is the best way to reach Houck. I bet if a reporter want's to talk to Houck, he'll take their call. ;)

I was just a casual player then, I only had one disc...A first run dx Viper!!!! I still have it on the wall today!

Sorry it did say established 1988 not 1998.

Yup

nelly.....slow down....step away from the caffine :D

I would have to guess late 80's at the latest. I know it was part of the first Circular Skies Over Texas tour (4 cities). I know one year it was the fourth stop with the final for the 4 tour winners. I don't remember if that was the first year or not. How many people remember fishing for trout in the city pool? (4 people beat me to the punch on the trout, I've got to learn to type faster)
Somewhere I have a copy of the Sunday sports page from the Victoria paper, featuring a picture of your's truly making a putt. That was great since most of my relatives live in small towns west of Victoria and the Victoria paper was their big city paper. The paper also had Saturday's scores listed in the box scores section.

I remember eddie, jim davis, ken hammelton,mitch mac, and I catching trout and eating them on the pit by basket #5 durning lunch that Sunday...
That could be the best players party I have ever been to :D

Sweet, that's what I'm trying to get back. It's hard to believe that this course has been here that long and there are still people here in this little town that have never heard of discgolf!!! If you find that newspaper, do you think you could post a copy of it???

Jason, When I track down the picture from the paper I either post it or email you a copy.

Vinnie, Speaking of Jim and Ken. Are those guys still around?
Have seen either of them in quite a while.

I talk and play ball golf with them all the time
up date info
Jimmy has 2 daughters now
ken and wendy are married. ken changed his name back to his givin name sheperd (ken wayne sheperd)
His son is about graduate from high school.
And the two live about 3 blocks fro each other

ken wayne shepard? He's gonna commit a grizzly crime someday. No, not a bear-like crime, but a gruesome one. :p

It was my first out of town tournament as well. I still have that 52-17 mini somewhere.

shut it James :D

Email sent to John...now if he can tear his self away from his soap opras

OK, y'all are making me feel old.

Lots and lots of good memories of Victoria...

Believe it or not, Victoria hosted the 1983 World Freestyle Championships, and another major freestyle event that year -- one sponsored by Miller, and one sponsored by Bud (long story). At least one of those events had disc golf with temporary baskets.

Back then, Warren Milberger was the best player down that way (he had game), and Chris Baker was the guy putting all the tournaments together.

A few years later, Larry Puckett revived the disc scene, and he had me come down to design the permanent course. I'll never forget walking down the road along what is now #7, and seeing what would be the #8 tee up ahead -- it was like a dream... beautiful... and not completely flat. It was the first course we had with par 4's and 5's -- a newsletter I put out at the time announced that "Victoria is the future of disc golf." And it was.

We started having tournaments there in '85 or '86 with temp baskets, and the club would buy a basket whenever they got enough money.

We were always down there early in the year -- right after the Super Bowl -- so there were mini discs to make the Cowboy fans happy, and we did some trout fishing in the city pool. I'll probably never forget driving back from Victoria after a very cold tournament, hitting ice on the Luling bridge and hitting the concrete wall at 60mph... with a record 10 portables in the back of my car. Fortunately, none of them went through the back of my head.

In 1987, the finals of the first CST was there, and the four tournament winners played 9 holes for $1,000, winner take all. Big bucks for those days. Slick Rick Richardson, who had footfaulted on hole #5 and put his second drive closer to the pin, needed to make a 125' uphill shot on the last hole to tie. He hit about 1/2" low. Mitch Mac took the grand, and as for the drive back to Oklahoma, he said "Every time I got sleepy, I just smelled that $1,000 check, and it woke me up." The other two players were Eric Marx and Clint Mac, I do believe.

We always had lots of articles in the paper, demonstrations in nightclubs around town, radio station sponsorships -- I even did a few radio commercials myself. And there was the story about this girl named Marty...

Larry got guys like Hankey started, and Tony kept the flames fanned through the late '90's after Bobby Bernard though the early '90's.

Anyway, none of the great things we were able to do would ever have been possible without the help of one man: Brother Gary Moses. Brother Gary made it all happen. Tony told me there was a controversy last year about putting Gary's name on a sign. As far as I'm concerned, that course should have a statue of Brother Gary.

And when you talk about who owned that course, don't forget that it was called Robotoria long before it was Vinnitoria.

Thanks for letting me know about this thread. I love Victoria -- still one of my all-time favorite courses. Now back to work, or soap operas, or whatever.

I still have both of them 93 AND 94. On the top it has Rappin' says.. 52-17 we blocked a punt, 30-13 super bowl record longest field goal. Thanks John for great times and how about them COWBOYS!!!!!

and how about them COWBOYS!!!!!



Yeah, whatever. Even the 2nd greatest coach of all time can't save them now. Hope you enjoy having Bledsoe -- no need to thank us.

Actually, after Sunday, Belichick might be the 2nd greatest coach of all time.

Thanks, Matt.

thanks ol wise one....and yes I is feeling ol too.
The four in the final nine had Scotty in it...not clint..... :D

I forgot about the robo hyzer.....but he never did it like I do :D

How on earth do y'all remember these things? My god, I can't even remember who didn't win skins last weekend at Live Oak. ;)

Ask Vinnie or Jay I bet they remember who didnt win skins :D

Chain thats the funniest post I have ever seen you make!

I hope you have a better game at Victoria then you had last year :D

thanks ol wise one....and yes I is feeling ol too.
The four in the final nine had Scotty in it...not clint..... :D



How do we remember these things, James? Well, apparently Vinnie doesn't.

Scott Michaelsen made the final a couple years later in Port Arthur... and he won the $1,000. Don't worry, Vinnie -- it's not that you're old. You're just too young in DG years to remember it all.

Don't make make pull out the picture of Eric, Rick, Mitch, Clint, and Marshall.

That's NOT funny.



:p

dont worry josh , you would definately school him any day of the week on any course!!

That right he could teach me a thing or two I'm sure of that :D

<--------RUNNING FINGERS THROUGH HAIR!

My bad A lot of water/beer has passed through this bridge.

I think I remember you eating trout with us that time

Wow. Marshall. I do have a memory. Is he still around? Doing OK? A really good guy.

Thanx everyone for the info!!! It will be of big help. Please don't stop with the memories. It's cool to hear about old times here in Vic.

Hey peoples, I'm looking for best scores at Victoria. Let me know what your best round has been here...
Mine is even---on 21 holes!!!

I'm so glad I make the trip down from Houston to try out this course; it was well worth it!

Someone may correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is the first course I've played in Texas with concrete tee pads. The difference is significant! With seemingly softer soil, higher traffic, and flat terrain, most natural tee pads I've played in Texas are muddy messes, that are under water more often than not. The ample concrete tees at Victoria were a refreshing change! I wish that more course maintainers and park comissioners realized that concrete tees can make a course world class that might otherwise not be, and the lack of permanent tees can spoil the golfing experience of an otherwise outstanding design.

The're a nice variety of holes at Riverside Park. There are some easy deuces, some multi-shot/par four holes, and some "Texas-sized" par threes that are in the middle. I really liked holes two, six, fourteen and sixteen because they required placement drives and long approaches to score birdie threes on. The signature hole 16 (The Beast, as the locals called it) is about 600-650 feet in length with the OB road bordering the entire left side and the Guadalupe river lining the entire right side. It plays through scattered trees and is even more narrow than it looks; I was happy to escape this hole with a four. Watch out for armadillos around the polehole!

I thought the depression where holes 8,9 and 10 play is an especially pretty section of the course. Holes 8 and 10 are good examples of "tweener" holes; I know Texas boys can throw far but those holes seem too long to get deuced and too short to call them anything more than par three.

There's a lot of short grass at this course and rollers worked well on many holes. Though some local punks have wrecked a few, there's also professional tee signs on all the holes that are a very nice touch. This course is so nice that it's tough to find any faults with it other than the close proximity of the park roads on many holes - I always worry about novices not waiting to throw even though cars are approaching. Also, the Guadalupe river may singlehandedly keep DX plastic sales in business because of its close proximity on holes seven and twelve. They are both short "pooch shots" but the polehole lies precariously close to the edge. The dropoff is steep, and the water deep and murky. If your disc goes over the edge, you're NOT getting it back.

Big thanks to Jason Terry for his guidance with the course. Rest assured that it is in fantastic shape, with standing water only on hole five. You've got a great layout down there and I hope you get a fantastic turnout at the tournament next weekend. The 2005 Victoria Open should definitely be one of the best events this year in Texas!

It is a favorite course of many players. Not the best or biggest, but always a pleasure to play.

Does anyone have any memorable moments from this weekends Victoria Open?

#17, 2nd round....
Off the picnic table, off the tree to 15'. And yes, I made the putt.

I threw the "PERFECT" roller on my last hole in the finals #14 and caught a tree. I was still about 220-240 out and I threw a left sidearm to about 25ft out and made the putt. :D:D

eddie miller driving his truck for the last hole and leaving it running right behind the card. :confused:

Oh and I nailed a cop car in the finals as well. Now that was pretty funny. :D:D

Yes it was!!!

did eddie drive on the golf course?

I had a great time this weekend. My golf couldv'e been a little better!!! My first advanced tourney and not in DFL!!! Pretty cool. Thanx for comin' down Vinnie. We weren't expecting to see you there.

might as well have. this was on # 16 were the road runs the length of the hole and most RHBH throwers were close to the road.

Oh I was about to say....I seen tracks over in that area. And from what you said I though those were his.

There were tracks on 11b crossing the fairway where someone dropped off a Water jug on the picnic table.

I saw a good roller take a huge hop and die there.

yea that was a F*d up fairway with the HUGE RUTS in it. and to think the table was only about 100 feet from the road.

not that I am *******. I LOVED THE COURSE!! and will make next year my second try. :D

happy b-day j.t. great seeing everyone this weekend , keep up the good work guys. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

That dude pulling his own ticket at the raffle for that basket! :eek:

That's something I'll never forget. :D

I talked to him yesterday at the Pease mini...he's still tripped out about that...pretty cool Victoria experience

Thanks Goblin, It was a blast. See you at the next one!!!

Krevo, you have lots to remember from Victoria.

More,more!!!! :D

I figured Billy would post this but here goes.

In the final nine Vinnie Miller on 16 tee.
Billy says "Vinnie put it through the V and I'll give you $20"
Vinnie "No that's a good way to take a five you don't want to be there."

Vinnie puts his drive wide right over past the big white V tree missing the V by about twenty feet.

Vinnie's upshot was sick. You can't see the basket from where he is, no air shot available. He rolls about three hundred fifty feet around the corner up the hill to be to the right of the basket about fifteen feet for a three.

sweeeeeet, I've only threed 16 a few times, and they were about 50-80' luck shots!!! A roller is the only way I can do that!!

OKAY peoples, time for some new talk about V-Town. This year will bring some memories for sure. Be there and help us support local dg at it's finest!!! Camping is the way 2 go. Let's have a blast and chunk some discs!!!

:D

I would have to say that playing my first round this year was very awesome! My card was Rhett Stroh, ME, Gary Duke, Jack Camp and Ed Morgan. ****, I had fun all weekend, but especially the 1st rd.

Vic might bring memories but how about some scores :confused:

I have never ever ever played in those kind of conditions. I have played in rain, cold, and wind, but not all in one day. I thought about throwing myself to the ground and faking an injury so I could go get warm again. :)

Vic was fun but I hope to never again experience that weather while playing in a tournie.

**** that was some miserable weather!!! really enjoyed the course , however!!! a most memorable moment would be putting on hole 5 and looking to my left seeing a black panther about 20 ft. away.That was pretty kewl ,IMO!!

That panther likes discs!!! Just don't throw over the fence..We are gonna try and do a summer tourney in the future.. There are zero tourneys in Texas June-August. Is everyone scared of the South Texas heat or what??? The Texas 10 of 2004 was pretty horrible(110 degrees with 98% humidity) We had a few people pass out and a few drop out because of the heat. I'll tell you one thing though, Victoria is a whole differant course in the summer than it is in the winter... Anyone who has not checked out this course in the summer needs to make plans to do just that!!