Was wondering if anyone had any max weight 1st run crushes or flashes they wanted to sell?

I can hook you up with some Crushes. I am not sure what the wieghts are in my stash but there should be some max wieght. Shoot me a PM for what your lloking for(color price etc..)

I have some 1st Run Crushes, but I'm not selling. :D

I think they might be my favorite driver ever. I tried throwing the other run(s) but switched right back to 1st runs.

How are the 1st runs different than the rest?

Both first run Crushes I had were overstable pigs. Lost both :( However they were both green and I found that the yellow later run I have now is even more overstable. The Blue later run I also currently have is very very flippy. To add to the confusion my first run Orange flash is only slightly less stable than the overstable Crushes and way more overstable than the blue later run Crush. A yellow later run flash was somewhere in between. These are all 171-175g.

So to rank them from under to overstable

Blue new Crush
Yello new flash
Orange first run Flash
2x Green first run Crush
Yellow new Crush

I also own a blue first run crush, and its very flippy, I did have two mint green ones at one time that were major stable, as for the flashes, anything orange is ok, some a little more stable then others, but pretty much all are the same, I did throw a yellow one for awhile and yes, it is a flip miester. Haven't thrown any other colors although I have a blue and a pink first run flash, anyone thrown these colors?

What about white and Purple ?

So, these overstable Crushes........are they like Z-Flicks?

No, they are not that overstable to me.

Well, I don't think that a Z-Flick is that overstable either. Just a bit.

Whuzup Leo! Were those Flashes at Sunflower what you were looking for?

Well, it wouldn't be surprising if you had a bigger arm than me. Which in turn would mean that the crush would be more flippy than the flick for you.

Gotcha!

throw the xs it is more predictable and consistant, the flash is not good for tournaments. all of the crushes are fine, you cant tell any differance its all rumors. 1st 2nd 1000th it dosent matter.

go to sunkingdiscs.com he has all the discraft you need

XS to me throws like a valk. As in if thrown with hyzer will still work right a bunch.

Whats up Doc? Long time no see, how you been? Yes I made it to sunflower the day you told me about that, but no first run flashes in sight. But I have found some here and there thanks for the lookout though Doc. Hope to see you on the course sometime!!!

As for the purple and white, I have both colors in 1st run crushes, but haven't thrown either. So I have no clue what they fly like.

Both first run Crushes I had were overstable pigs. Lost both :( However they were both green and I found that the yellow later run I have now is even more overstable. The Blue later run I also currently have is very very flippy. To add to the confusion my first run Orange flash is only slightly less stable than the overstable Crushes and way more overstable than the blue later run Crush. A yellow later run flash was somewhere in between. These are all 171-175g.

So to rank them from under to overstable

Blue new Crush
Yello new flash
Orange first run Flash
2x Green first run Crush
Yellow new Crush



I've thrown all of these, as well as some other colors. FYI- I throw about 430-450 golf distance, and tend to throw everything with hyzer, rather than only throwing overstable plastic flat.

What I've noticed:

-Orange 1st run Flashes were the most overtable 1st runs. This was more of a stable disc, but it is more overstable than the other colors.

-Yellow/ very light green 1st run Crushes were truly stable, but were more overstable than some other colors. I've been told that purple ones are similar to the yellow in stability. These are what I prefer to throw. Great all around disc. Especially good for distance air and roller shots.

-In my experience, 2nd run Crushes have all been more overstable. Have only thrown these rarely. Everyone who I've talked to thinks that Crushes are overstable, and I wonder what they are talking about. Then I remember they're throwing 2nd runs.

-A noticeable difference between 1st and 2nd runs is the dome. 1st runs are very flat- probably the flatest discraft disc before the Flick. 2nd runs are much more domey. 1st runs seem faster, but I haven't thrown many 2nd runs.

The best Crushes EVER made were the First Run Opaque Orange ones. They were OVERSTABLE at first but once you wore them in they became the best natural S disc on the planet. If you can find some of those consider yourself a very lucky disc golfer.

Still have my 1st run "Orange-Crush"...which got my Disgustion-board quote published in DGWN. My 2 green ones were not as overstable...but still long. I hope to beat my orange one into to a roller someday...but that's a ways off as I like to throw my rollers flat...and this orange one will not stand up...yet. Great disc!

Is it the ones im talking about. Cant see threw it AT ALL. I wish i could get my hands on a couple of those. It would fill the gap that i have in my bag quite nicely :D

I'll have to look...but I'm thinking it wasn't completely opaque, but a tad translucent. Will report back!

I have a first run "orange crush" and it is not as stable as other first runs I have (white, green), don't know if it is just me but the orange ones seemed to be the least stable, almost comparable to the blue ones. The crush is the least consistant disc that discraft has made, not that that is bad thing because all you need to do is throw a few, find what you like and bomb the heck out of it. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The first runs that I am talking about almost look like they are made out of the early run Z Talon plastic. Not see threw AT ALL. They are the BOMB.

I will agree with Brad on the fact that the crush is SO inconsistent from run to run. Some domey some flat some flippy some stable some overstable. Its actually pretty great for Crush lovers because they can have a Hyzer Crush a Straight Crush a Turnover crush and a Flip Crush. They just have to be willing to take the time to find them.

So, inconsistency can lead to adaptability! Hmmmmm........ /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Thats true but the crush is prety much the only disc that Discraft makes that does this sort of thing on a highly noticable level.

So very true, I might start throwing crushes exclusively. Get one beat beyond repair to putt with and take my magnets and challengers out of the bag. Seriously though the crush is the best disc that has been released lately, however the prototype discraft will be releasing soon is based off of the flick and is a little less stable. I may be able to break that 500 ft. mark on a regular basis.

How about Wildcats? I've personally only liked the darker blue ones... How about Buzzz's...flat vs domey? Not raising any new issues here...just tired of all the rhetoric...as I carry all of the above plus an orange Pred, that is supposedly more understable than the others.

Bottom line: Adapt to your disc!

Im talking about the discs that are being produced right now.

Those preds were supposed to be OVERSTABLE they just didnt work out that way so they retooled the mold to the new preds which are OVERSTABLE pigs. The preds you are throwing fly more like a TeeBird but there was i believe only a few runs of those before they changed it to the way it is now.

The BUZZZs fly different but not EXTREMLY different like the Crushes do.

You shouldnt have to adapt every time you buy the same disc you lost. Thats just a crock. It would take so much longer to gain consistency. Thats why they make discs that fly different. So you can throw and let the disc do the work. If you werent supposed to let the disc do the work and you were supposed to adapt to your disc then they would have made 1 and handed it out to everyone in the PDGA and said here you go, this is what you can play with, ADAPT or dont play.

This has probably been asked many times before, so my apologies. How do you differentiate between a first and second run Crush? I have a green one with tournament stamp, it seems more overstable than my blue Predator, got both at the same tournament.
Thanx
Justin

First runs say first run on them but there are ALOT of runs of Crushes out there. It may just be the way its stamped that made it so overstable.

I haven't noticed any problems with 1st run Crushes of the same color. All the white ones I've thrown were more understable than the light green ones.

If anyone is having problems with any new 1st run Crushes I'd be happy to help you be rid of them. :D

Is it the ones im talking about. Cant see threw it AT ALL.


Nope, my 1st run Crush is slightly transparent. When new (and frankly it still is) I found it to glide well but fade left pretty hard, though not overstable in a headwind sense. I did uncork a freak 375' sidearm with it. Nice plastic, good feel, & very durable!

The best Crushes EVER made were the First Run Opaque Orange ones. They were OVERSTABLE at first but once you wore them in they became the best natural S disc on the planet. If you can find some of those consider yourself a very lucky disc golfer.




I must be very, very, very lucky.

The best Crushes EVER made were the First Run Opaque Orange ones. They were OVERSTABLE at first but once you wore them in they became the best natural S disc on the planet. If you can find some of those consider yourself a very lucky disc golfer.




I must be very, very, very lucky.



I take it you got 3 of them? :D

XS to me throws like a valk. As in if thrown with hyzer will still work right a bunch.



are you throwing it right? i dont ever throw innova so i cant compare it to a valk

XS to me throws like a valk. As in if thrown with hyzer will still work right a bunch.



are you throwing it right? i dont ever throw innova so i cant compare it to a valk



I've got an old beat to hell xs that will turn over without much effort at all, but I still wouldn't compare it to a valk. Normally for me the XS's are more closely related to Vikings imo

i had a viking once threw it in thr brush at steed park never found it thiank god!

I've only thrown my viking a few times, so hard to say how I'll feel about it in a couple weeks from now :)

how did we go from the crush to the viking :confused: if any one ahs any xs they want to part with halla!

Sorry for the drift...I just replied to someone talking about xs's and vikings. Back to the topic...just picked up a flash for my uncle, but haven't thrown it personally

throw it hard and it will flip. i here alot of stupid rumors about them. color and stuff. nothing from any one reputible yet though.

all discs are going to be different for every player!!! No matter what kind, run or color.

all discs are going to be different for every player!!! No matter what kind, run or color.



Not really. If a group of players throw with the same angle and similar spin and power the disc will do the same thing. :D

Color DOES afect flight characteristics. So do a bunch of other things. That's why different runs are different- the manufacturing conditions were not exactly the same.

all discs are going to be different for every player!!! No matter what kind, run or color.



Not really. If a group of players throw with the same angle and similar spin and power the disc will do the same thing. :D

Color DOES afect flight characteristics. So do a bunch of other things. That's why different runs are different- the manufacturing conditions were not exactly the same.

XS to me throws like a valk. As in if thrown with hyzer will still work right a bunch.



are you throwing it right? i dont ever throw innova so i cant compare it to a valk



You throw it with your hand and arm right? :D

throw it hard and it will flip. i here alot of stupid rumors about them. color and stuff. nothing from any one reputible yet though.



When you take two same weight discs, one blue one yellow to the soccer field and throw them over and over and one flips and the other hyzers every time you may call it a stupid rumor but I call it a fact and don't throw the blue one when I want hyzer and don't throw the yellow one when I want flip. I may not be the Jet Propulsion Lab but its reputable enough for my needs :)

if a am picks up a 174 1st run crush that is "blue" and a pro picks up a 174 1st run crush that is "blue" the disc 9 times out of ten is going to be stable for the am and flippy for the pro, so my point here is it depends on who is throwing the disc, in this case, the disc would be a completely different disc.

For sure it depends on who is throwing the disc. However that doesn't mean there isn't a definitive relative stability difference between the two. For a rec player they will probably both be overstable, but the Yellow would still be more overstable than the blue. I asked the longest arm pro I know what he thought of crushes and he said 'flippy'. I had him throw my yellow one and it was overstable for him on a throw close to 400' (not his max d).

You are right that how you throw, your technique, your power, etc etc all make a difference in the way discs behave for you. But I still contend that there are definite stability differences between the colors of Crushes, Flashes, and to a lesser extent Z Wasps. This is in my experience, but I have heard many others say the same thing.

true true, and about the xs and the valks, the difference between them is this, you can find 15 billion people throwing valks, and you might find 15 people throwing xs's!!!!

true true, and about the xs and the valks, the difference between them is this, you can find 15 billion people throwing valks, and you might find 15 people throwing xs's!!!!



You say this yet you have "Throw Discraft" as your signature.

Strange.

Valk's and XS's are different discs. They do not fly the same. However, both were considered a great distance disc when they were released.

true true, and about the xs and the valks, the difference between them is this, you can find 15 billion people throwing valks, and you might find 15 people throwing xs's!!!!



You say this yet you have "Throw Discraft" as your signature.

Strange.

Valk's and XS's are different discs. They do not fly the same. However, both were considered a great distance disc when they were released.

True, but I find them to be similar (i.e. stable to slightly overstable new, beat in quickly to understable...and yes both very long discs). Others may disagree. I'm sure geometrically rocs and wasps are different discs as well, but they fly pretty similar. BTW I carry four brands in my bag so I'm not bashing anyone here. :)

true true, and about the xs and the valks, the difference between them is this, you can find 15 billion people throwing valks, and you might find 15 people throwing xs's!!!!



I know a few, and am one of those 15 people...I'm also one of the 15 million

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You say this yet you have "Throw Discraft" as your signature.

Strange.




Truth hurts!! Its no different than saying 15 billion people throw Buzzz's and about 15 people throw Hydra's!!

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You say this yet you have "Throw Discraft" as your signature.

Strange.




Truth hurts!! Its no different than saying 15 billion people throw Buzzz's and about 15 people throw Hydra's!!



And I was just about to change my handle to Kid Hydra. ;)

Well I said that because its the truth, and I have "throw discraft" because I truly feel they are the best discs on the market. Granted I really know little about the older plastics, X2, XS, Xtra, Xtreme, etc... but I know Discraft has now caught up in Technology, if not surpassed the other manufacturers.

Word *******!!!!