Would you be willing to pay an extra $5 (included in your yearly membership fee) to have use of the message board? This money could be used in several different ways to benefit the PDGA. Would you want this money to be used for a specific purpose? ie- Advertising/Promoting Disc Golf to the public

I pay $55 a year for it.

No. It cost too much as it is to be online now.

I'd be willing to approve the allocation of $5 from the $55 a year I pay to be a PDGA member to go towards an upgraded version of this message board software. A version that restricts posting privileges to PDGA members only, tracks IP addresses and disallows anonymous posting, and holds people accountable for their statements - inappropriate behavior could lead to PDGA suspension.

I agree that the board should be for members only. If people had to pay $ for a user name it would cut down alot of the crap that goes on now, especially if they were held accountable and could be punished. The big benefit would be the $ raised. There are endless possibilities of what the $ could do for the PDGA. Increased purses for tournies, charity events, things that could bring positive publicity to the sport.

Chris, "extra" means more or added to the $55 you already pay.

I agree that the board should be for members only. If people had to pay $ for a user name it would cut down alot of the crap that goes on now, especially if they were held accountable and could be punished. The big benefit would be the $ raised. There are endless possibilities of what the $ could do for the PDGA. Increased purses for tournies, charity events, things that could bring positive publicity to the sport.

No.

I would, as long as it was put to good use. The use of it could be put to a vote by those that add this option to their membership.

I like the idea of no more anonymous posters, at least in part of the message board. Keep a section(like the Equiptment and Throwing Technuiqe sections) if possible for newbies who actually ask meaningful questions. This area would then be monitored for un-related content.

efi why are you just quoting a thread and not adding a comment???

ripped!!

yes i would pay it. if i knew where the money was going.

now dat was funny!!!!

this is the worst idea I have ever heard.

by doing that, it limits the board to PDGA members only. Also, the board is a great way for new players to get a chance to talk to the some of the top players. Just today someone asked what a hyzer was. Do you think they would pay 5 dollars to find out waht a hyzer was?

Just limit posting to PDGA members but let anyone read the board. There's free info all over the site available to anyone plus the option to directly contact staff and other specialists for additional questions.

Am I the only one to notice that Chuck appears to be pantless in his avatar? :confused:

by doing that, it limits the board to PDGA members only.


Posting should be limited to PDGA members only.

Am I the only one to notice that Chuck appears to be pantless in his avatar?



When you're in such good shape, you don't need to pant...

Just limit posting to PDGA members but let anyone read the board. There's free info all over the site available to anyone plus the option to directly contact staff and other specialists for additional questions.


I agree.

No $5 fee. It should be part of the membership fee. I'm tired of every day life's little extra surcharges, taxes, and fees. Ma Bell and Ma Cell stick it to me enough with extra little charges that make my $29.99/mo bill more like $35 or $40. :(

When you're in such good shape, you don't need to pant...



I can see you're picking up the slack...no pants, we can't see your hands, and you're in front of a computer monitor...hmmmm.

Doesn't everyone get excited about Excel? :eek:

yeah. i think it would be good to have pdga members only posting on this board and pdga members only seeing it as well. We could get a lot more done in here (maybe) that way. The newbies can get funnelled through the 'minor leagues' i'll be running pdga membership drives there constantly, like the sponsorship contest we ran. I know for a fact i have got 3 people to register for the pdga in the last month, through the discgolfforum. PDGA is linked all over the site anyway... and all my other 10 sites as well.

plus we(pdga) can put that cash to good use. Come on we need to generate money for expansion somehow.

I find Access much more stimulating.

Zactly. However, when I get Access, I Excel...

When you're in such good shape, you don't need to pant...



I can see you're picking up the slack...no pants, we can't see your hands, and you're in front of a computer monitor...hmmmm.



Hawk, just in case you're unaware, there are other activities you can use a computer for...

I would only support a $5 fee for those who are not already PDGA members. If you are a PDGA member, I think you should expect to be able to use the message board, and there should not be a separate fee for its use.

No way!
It should be set up for members ONLY.
This could be set up relatively easy and should have already been done. The additional $5 would only cost the PDGA money to manage. And we all want them to focus on promoting the sport. So we don't have another ground breaking disc golf prom DVD.
:confused:

Hawk, just in case you're unaware, there are other activities you can use a computer for...



Nick, I assume you're alluding to extremely violent games.

Will be bUMPs be allowed on this supposed message board?

I hear he has lots of money

Limiting posting on this board to certain people might cut down on some of the negative posts but it will definitely cut down on the number of interesting conversations.

If you really want the forum to improve you have to ignore the bad posts. Don't reply to the crap and ignore people who you see as troublemakers. That will improve the board more than trying to limit who can post. It will mean that less supervision will be required and software upgrades will not be needed.

There seems to be a lot of talk about 'members-only' posting lately. With the onslaught of over-zealous and anonymous post whoring over the past few weeks, I would be willing to bet that this is the way things will go sooner or later. I am curious about something. Will there be an option for people to pay to use the message board without becoming members of the PDGA?

I occasionally post here and read the forums practically every day. This includes useful (Ask Hawk, putting into a headwind, etc.) and non-useful (any thread proclaiming UNC Tarhole basketball to be the standard in college basketball) threads. I would, in all likelihood, pay a few bucks for this every year to continue to do this.

However, I choose not to join the PDGA. (My reasons for not joining are not relevant or important to my query.)

So, what are your thoughts and ideas?

Are there other message boards that charge to use them?

I am ignorant on that fact, as this is the only board I feel would be worth posting my thoughts, ideas, and wasted wh*re posts.

I have agreed on getting rid of the post #'s.

Who Cares?

$5 seems like a trifle for the value here...

Sorry, I'm not e-literate to know the hows/ramifications of 'banning'. But I like the variety, yeah...I like the idea of a broad range of experience on the board, and everybody welcome. Heck, I'll bet a lot of members actualy enjoy 'tutoring' Rec/beggining players, those whom may NEVER join the 'fold'. So as much as my distaste for Catfish has increased over the past several weeks, a PDGA-only board seems like a last resort. Could it be 'members only', that is, PDGA current, OR those who 'register', etc.?

I think that would be a good idea. Let each individual choose whether or not they would like to pay the "extra" $5 to be a member of the board with the privilage of posting. Non-members could view and see what they're missing?
By paying my $5 I'd expect to be able to post basically anything I want (anything that some of us get away with now) without being censored.

By paying my $5 I'd expect to be able to post basically anything I want (anything that some of us get away with now) without being censored.



Nothing personal to Cambagger or anyone else here, but...well, that's kinda what I was 'afraid' this topic would lead towards, the notion that by paying for the service, people would feel they have carte blanche.

But that's just me...see, I'm looking to go the other way...not towards "decency" per se, but accountability...so some anonymous, unrepentant CLOWN can't single-handedly usurp, then KILL my [and a lot of others'] favorite thread on the board...YET...it would still grant access ["membership"] to anyone whom can 'behave'. By 'behave' I mean be responsible for what you put out 'there', and accept the consequences for crossing that line we all agreed to, when we first signed on here...that might include the removal of offensive posts.

I don't have a solution towards this ideal, just an opinion.
I think the easiest way to not be censored is use some self control; pretend like everything you write here will be seen by Family.

Sure, I'm a dreamer; but is that *snif* such a bad concept?

Within reason. Some of the stuff that goes on on here is crap, but also there is stuff that goes on within a tight club that is just plain fun..trash talk..your mama and so on.
How do we get to the line "within reason"? Who would decide what's out of line?

Short answer? The poster should show reason in the first place [that IS the agreement we made when joining]; the mods have to step in if that's forsaken.

There's the thread's first post:
Would you be willing to pay an extra $5 (included in your yearly membership fee) to have use of the message board? This money could be used in several different ways to benefit the PDGA. Would you want this money to be used for a specific purpose? ie- Advertising/Promoting Disc Golf to the public

This is only my interpretation, but I sorta thought this was directed towards non-PDGA members, should the board have to resort to a 'members only' stance. Likely, my logic was swayed by my recent 'anti-anonymous' sentiments.

...was I far off, Cam? :confused:

Here's my situation: Former PDGA Pro, 4-digit PDGA#. Have been out of the sport for 15+ years (DG squeezed out by job, kids, etc.), but recently re-kindled interest. I found viewing the Discussion helpful in gathering enough information to decide to renew my membership, and sign up my 13-yr old son. We will play a few events early this year and decide whether we are ready for playing competitive on a regular basis.

As a non-member, I found it useful to view topics on courses, techniques and tournaments. I think these types of forums can help non-members learn more about the sport, and decide whether or not membership is right for them. While I did not post as a non-member (felt I should pay before posting), I can see that having limited posting access could be advisable for non-members - it's the logical place for a newbie to post that "What's a hyzer?" question. Don't expect that a newbie will find his local message board, since the Web makes everything local.

However, I think there should be member's-only areas. Why should non PDGA members have access to the locations where members air dirty laundry? Also, members should get more access than non-members - there should be some pirks to membership. If access can be limited based on membership, I think that is the best compromise.

That being said, I don't think there should be an additional $5 message board fee. Roll the costs into the annual fee (isn't it already?). When I joined the PDGA, (OK, here comes the typical geezer references to trudging uphill through the snow to play DG, and uphill home; having to use a piece of coal to keep score on a shovel since there were no scorecards, etc.) the membership fee was a "lifetime" fee, so I am inherently skeptical towards *any* additional annual fee. Adding a message board fee will just keep users off the board - the board will become more of a geeky clique than it probably already is (no offense intended), rather than a place that is easily accessible and a useful source of information.

'Nuff said (actually, probably too much...)

I was basically talking to memebers. Another good idea was brought up above about having certain areas that non-members are allowed, only alllowing non-members to view posts related to discs, throwing techniques..etc. Myself, I would pay an extra $5 if:
I thought it was going to a worthy cause
The PDGA used the extra $ for this reason alone
I have yet to find a worthy cause though. The $5 message board thought was and is just that, a thought. We a disc golfers wonder why our sport isn't more mainstream. I think the extra money collected could go towards advertising of some sort.

Great idea, good luck with "reclaiming your game"

My thought is that the $5 would be paying for a newsgroup that was free from all of the flaming and noise that clutter up all of the free newsgroups out there (and here).

My thought is that the $5 would be paying for a newsgroup that was free from all of the flaming and noise that clutter up all of the free newsgroups out there (and here).


The problem is that it won't turn out like that. People would pay the $5 or join the PDGA to post on these boards and still post crap. They would get banned and then be extra mad about spending money on a board they aren't allowed to post on. I have the feeling that would cause more headaches than it would cure.

The idea of some "Members Only" areas is a good one, though. You still get the diversity needed to keep the Technique and Equipment sections going but also have areas for PDGA members to talk about PDGA type stuff without anonymous posters and people making dummy accounts because they are too cowardly to post under their real name.

enough of our money is out sorced now as it is.How much of our money is spent here in the USA?Canada will probably use it to sponsor the draft dodger wall of fame :DHow about if that $5 your talking about is controled by local clubs?We could make the state director the one who takes the money,And dole it out on a state by state level.That way we know were the money is going.My vote is no to a $5 user fee.I don't see what the big deal is in the first place.Everyone has an opinion,And thats what makes the board such a great place to go to.There are just a few who complain about whats going on,And quite frankly they would complain about everything anyway,Just wait and see.It's always the same ones.Pretty soon we'll have to say hail to the PDGA in writing before loging on.And all have web cams for a retina scan.

coming to an area in your neck of the woods soon,under ground disc golf web site,If loging on to that would be wrong,I don't want to be right

You're probably hoping for an anal probe also huh Bro? My main thing was to use the $ for something constructive, not for limiting people's thoughts and ideas. Are you getting 1 now Bro?...I see the smoke coming out of the top of your head. I'll see ya next week Bro, did ya have a good holidays?

I am in no way in favor of limiting peoples thoughts or ideas, only in the manner in which they express those thoughts or ideas in a private forum (and this is a private forum that allows public access). Rights to free speech and expression do not apply here, and some liability for things seen here fall back on the moderators.

If someone can formulate their ideas in such a way that they are relevant and not personal attacks, then I have no problem with the postings. If they do not have anything more meaningful than a personal attack or verbal abuse, then I'd rather not see it.

Just a personal opinion on my part, but one that is supported by the message board rules.

good point.

Many forums have read only areas that could be done, and then have additional forum space for those that are members. I am not sure additional $$$ is needed, though, and the thought of just having a safe place where people who actually are members do get to speak a tad more freely. You could also have a generic section for all disc golfers. It is not uncommon for places to charge for forum space, and quite a few people in the DG community have already had forums put in on their websites. You should have to be a current PDGA member to post, I have thought that since day 1, it only makes sense. It does possibly limit some conversations, but it can be done. In some forums that I pay for, you get kicked out if you use 3 IP addy's within a day, so that could limit the passing of acct info........ Overall you should get more with the membership (though it is still extremely cheap to be a member if you love this sport!) the magazine, points, and results of events, you gonna keep that information yourself?
:)

I have been converted. I am no longer Bro Love, I am 1 1 5 7 2. What is the purpose of your post? All I read was babble :D

Well Bro, it was going to be a secret, but once again you're on to me. I was secretly trying to con everyone into an "extra" $5 added to their membership to use for a certain purpose..any ideas? But...Thong called me and gave me that sight for the bald guys, and I've decided to put all of the $ collected in a hat (how ironic) for you.

sweet cam,It is going to be very cold here for the next few days,I could use one :grin $5 for a hat?Damm lock ness monsta.P.S. don't be a hater,Just because bald guys have there own web site :D

You're classic Bro. What day is the MMFMM? I should be coming through next week regardless, we can grab some lunch...on, or "the company" I should say, ha ha. See ya soon.

I had to post, just because I was at 666 on posting........DId not realize it...

wed.Jan 26th. MMFMM McClure park. At dark thirty 6:30 ish
Hey on wed irish paddys has potato soup for there lunch special. 81st and mem see ya there at noon,P.S. bring my hat :D:D:D

Dude,Good call :D:D

We could invite Conners and tell him we're gonna play Pilgrim.

Really,That was funny.Hey really next wednesday Irish Paddys...81 memorial....Potato soup..It's real good ate there yesterday yum yum

Give me a call the day of the MMFMM and we'll grab some lunch. I owe someone (wayne?) for renewing my membership, but I'll see him that evening.

I'll call you!!And the name of the restrant is PADDY'S IRISH.Man I getting Bad. still at 81 memorial.Dude billy's in town for the weekend.Call him

Of course, I'd pay 5 dollars to use the PDGA message board for a year. They could even add it into renewal fees or something. It's an invaluable tool when looking for advice and has to draw upon the knowledge of the PDGA member base. I would love to see it become more restricted to PDGA members or those who pay for it. Maybe then we'd have less nonsense...

I'd pay to use the message board if i got a mini with my username on it!!!! and a sticker !!

I'd pay it to have my crappin DGWN by now.

No. It's the official mouth piece of the PDGA.

If there was a set agenda as to where the $$$ went I would not be opposed.

I agree, I'd definately want to know where it was going.

Take the wanted $5 out of the already high membership costs and do what needs to be done to split the message board into a members only area and a non-members area. At the same time impose a three strikes and your out content moderation.....clearly spelled out with violations and consequences. Simple.

I'd say (don't know for sure) that all of our money sent in now is alloted for something already. That's not a bad idea though we could Hitlerize the message board. I AM THE GREAT MESSAGE BOARD OZZZ...pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

Excellent suggestion!! That goes for the moderators and board police too!!

Renewal fees are already too expensive! Just like tourneys..$2 here and $1 there etc..I mean, let's get a grip! :mad:

Yes!

It will keep me from being tempted to look here any more.

Especailly with the new censorship that's going on.

IMHO it's a shame that the PDGA is so willing to trample on the first amendment. That seems to be a very trendy idea these days.

This board used to belong to the players where they could have a candid excahnge of idea's.

Now it is being made a into some sort of marketing tool ?

What I don't understand is why isn't this board restricted to PDGA MEMBERS in the first place. We already pay for it.

I guess the $5 is a good idea for NON-PDGA MEMBERS.

my2cents.

True dat like ya knew dat!

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NO , i got zapped!!

Id pay the 5 bucks if i could get everything i was supposed to get when i signed up in the first place.

No, and I agree that we should be paid $5 to read the drivel on certain threads, where's my mag waaaaaaaaaaa?