Somebody please help me catch the clue bus! I throw using the sidearm motion and it seems like I am throwing with the exact same form and the same release, but half the time the sidearm shot "S" curves into a nice shot and half the time the same disc will flip over and become a roller. Neither shot is neccesarily bad, but I don't know what's causing the difference.

It sounds like release angle. Then again you could be locking your wrist one time and not the next. What disc are you using?

This may sound backasswards, but I am using a 169g Sidewinder.

That didn't help me. It shouldn't matter. You are obviously doing something different each time the disc does something different.

If it's the same disc and it's thrown at the same angle, the velocity combined with wind will make the difference. A SideWinder would probably make a good forehand roller in most conditions but for long S turns I'd throw something more overstable.

As an avid sidearm thrower, time to throw a new one with more predictability. I find my best long distance 'S' flick to be a CE Beast--throw it straight-let it do the work. If it was molded correctly, as they do vary, it will in a righty's hand go slightly left if thrown hard straight, then fade at the end rapidly to the right. When it starts holding the line to the left, get a new one. Sharp cut flicks thrown from the upper chest instead of your hip are great for extremely tight to the left wooded holes, again a new CE Beast is the way to go. For a hard forehand roller, I find a CE T-Bird the best.It holds a straight line farther before curving sharply at the end. Great for Paw-Paw.

less stable discs will make for touchier sidearms. Youll find as your strength and speed increases, youll flip em out to the left (turnover) more and more. Candy beast could be a good next step. try a firebird for a nice consistent hyzer when needed (or other overstable disk- they wont flip much) if your new try lighter wieghts. Your sidewinder is going to become more difficult to controll that flip (generally people dont use anything understable for sidearm)

S Flick or Z Flick?

I get the longest forehand rollers with a Z Flash.

Somebody please help me catch the clue bus! I throw using the sidearm motion and it seems like I am throwing with the exact same form and the same release, but half the time the sidearm shot "S" curves into a nice shot and half the time the same disc will flip over and become a roller. Neither shot is neccesarily bad, but I don't know what's causing the difference.



I would have to say your throw is not consistant. The ones that turn over and worm burn or roll are lip down and your S curves are on the money. If it does a big hyzer then it would be lip up. Just my 2 cents.

Mr Zoonker, if you are trying to throw a sidearm roller and it turns into an S curve and doesn't roll, it's because.

1. the disc is too overstable or stable
2. you threw too flat, need to get the outer edge up
3. you are throwing downhill and it hooked before hitting the ground
4. you suck

You may just have inconsistancy with your snap. Does it seem like you are snaping the disc the same amount each time?

Mr Zoonker, if you are trying to throw a sidearm roller and it turns into an S curve and doesn't roll, it's because.

1. the disc is too overstable or stable
2. you threw too flat, need to get the outer edge up
3. you are throwing downhill and it hooked before hitting the ground
4. you suck

Hey Morgan, I know how you throw sidearm, so give the guy a break--I stand by my new CE Beast theory, as I can easily out throw you with a flick. A dollar a foot for the difference between my longest drive and yours, if you are up to the challenge! I think you'll owe me at least 50 bucks.

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I'd put my money on that being the answer. When you lock your wrist, you lose most of your snap and the disc turns over too far, resulting in a roller.

sidearm and forehand roller are 2 absolutely different shots!!

If you have to resort to that off the teebox.....its a realy weird hole or you are trying to hard.....I understand that some people are not comfortable with a regular throw but ........... sidearm rollers are pushing it....

If you have to resort to that off the teebox.....its a realy weird hole or you are trying to hard.....I understand that some people are not comfortable with a regular throw but ........... sidearm rollers are pushing it....



Resort to what, a forehand roller? It's a great weapon if you have the confidence to throw it from the tee and the ability to put it where you are trying.

O.k, o.k., I got a more stable disc(Monster) that I can throw really well with sidearm. But what makes a sidearm go right or left?

To make a disc go right or left with a forehand, it takes the proper amount of angle and spin.

I sold a max weight Z Predator to a local one-discer yesterday and played a few holes with him. When we got to a blind, righty hyzer hole, he threw a smooth, forehand left turn that went out of sight around the corner. He definitely didn't force it around the corner, he threw it with perfect angle and spin. HeII, I need to learn that with a Predator.