bcary93
Dec 25 2004, 05:26 PM
I picked up a Sidewinder for a disc that won't turn over as much as my Leopards have been. The Sidewinder turns, too, though.

What discs fly long like the Sidewinder but a little more stable ? Discs I'm familiar with; light & heavy Pro Leopard (the most turn-over), 168g Champion Sidewinder (some) , 174g Chapmpion Valkyrie (slightly), 150g DX Beast (straight), 166g DX Archangel (straight to overstable). What discs would be near these on a stability spectrum ? Sidewinder will go ~300ft on a decent throw.

Thanks,
Bill

pterodactyl
Dec 25 2004, 09:28 PM
Bill, by more "stable" do you mean "straighter"?

Dec 26 2004, 04:51 AM
i reccomend a 170 ish champ teebird
i hear the champ viking does what you're lookin for too but i've not thrown it.

Sidewinders fade more than leopards imo, i use both regularly...

bcary93
Dec 26 2004, 01:58 PM
That's right, by stable I meant more straight. The leopards and sidewinder both turn right rather than fly straight. After a couple months playing the leopards flew mostly straight for me but the last couple months they turn right unless I release them hyzer, the lighter one goes more right than the heavy one. (Maybe I have my understanding of the terms wrong, but I was thinking more stable is going to keep the left edge of the disc from coming up, RHBH, and pushing the disc to the right.) The Sidewinder doesn't turn right as much as the leopards. I have an Archangel that flies straight for maybe 1/2 of it's flight then starts going left. I'm hoping to find something in the mid-160's that would fly between these. The ProLine leopard at 165 turns pretty sharp and is turning so hard that it often doesn't come back to the left very well at the end. The 165g DX Archangel stays straight at the beginning but starts going left before 1/2 way.

TIA,
bill

Moderator005
Dec 26 2004, 02:21 PM
I'm surprised you are turning your Leopard and your Sidewinder over, but not your DX Archangel. Seems odd that your Archangel is going left so soon. My experience with the DX Archangel was that it normally turned.

Dec 26 2004, 11:59 PM
try a 170ish CE or SE Teebird TL

veganray
Dec 27 2004, 11:10 AM
Try a Cheetah or, if you like 150-class, a Dragon.

greenbeard
Dec 27 2004, 11:44 AM
my main big turnover disc is a 168 dx teebird that is rightously de_stroyed

pterodactyl
Dec 27 2004, 02:29 PM
I would suggest going to slightly heavier plastic than you are using, Bill. You may find that the extra weight will counter the disc turn-over. I personally like to keep a new dx valk in the bag. As soon as it starts turning over, it's gone to a newbie on the course. I try to keep a stack of them on reserve and will take a new, heavy valk whenever I have the choice of discs for a players package.

bcary93
Dec 27 2004, 04:49 PM
The thing about heavier discs for me is that I lose quite a bit of distance since I don't have a lot of arm strength. I usually only use 170+ discs with head- and cross-winds.

I played today and the Valkyrie was flying more left than I remember. I tried to throw it down a narrow straight fairway with a finish to the right, but I didn't get it to flatten out and fly straight.

pterodactyl
Dec 27 2004, 05:28 PM
A champion Panther might be worth a try. Great roller too.

greenbeard
Dec 27 2004, 07:39 PM
try releasing your throws a bit lower (8 o'clock as opposed to 9'oclock, etc) with the same discs.

chris
Dec 27 2004, 08:06 PM
have you tried an ORC yet?? That sounds like it would be the perfect disc for you

Dec 27 2004, 10:44 PM
you might try to pick a one or two of your favorite drivers and learn to throw turnover shots, straight shots, and hyzer shots all with the same discs. maybe thin out your bag to only two or three different driver molds. this way you might have more control over how you throw each disc and then you can find out which drivers work the best for each type of shot

Dec 28 2004, 03:04 AM
TL's are a good bet. but if they dont float your boat try a light Viking
--Chris

chris
Dec 28 2004, 05:43 PM
TL's are one of the best straight disc made!

Dec 28 2004, 05:44 PM
TL's are one of the best straight disc made!

TL's are GREAT

Dec 28 2004, 06:03 PM
TL's are one of the best straight disc made!

TL's are GREAT



Yeah but they start flipping sooner then a Teebird of same plastic. I have to keep my new one released at "8-o'clock" so it will flip straight and hopefully not turn over as long as there is no head wind. In tournaments I will use a Teebird, but I just practice with TL's. But they are nice discs, I would recommend a Teebird for him instead of the TL.

bcary93
Dec 28 2004, 08:19 PM
Thanks everyone for the help.

What's a TL ?

Dec 29 2004, 10:39 AM
Thanks everyone for the help.

What's a TL ?



They make a regular, Pro version and a Champion Fundraiser Candy version:

http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/proteebird-l.html

Kenja
Dec 29 2004, 04:11 PM
I wouldn't recommend the Pro Teebird-L -- too floppy and tacoes too easily. SE and CE teebirds aren't being made anymore and are therefore too $$$ to throw. Zonedriven.com has a nice deal on X-Out (doublestamped) CFR Glo TLs -- its worth the extra 5 bucks over the Pro plastic. However, the TL flies best on a hyzer-flip line and takes quite a bit of armspeed to get going.

Another disc to try would be the X-Predator or the Tsunami. Once they get a little beat up, they are very fast, straight flyers with excellent glide if you release them level. You should be able to get them in light weights, too.

Dec 29 2004, 04:23 PM
a TL is a combination between a teebird and a leopard. if a leopard is too flippy and a teebird is too strong than this is the perfect blend. the newer teebirds are almost as over stable as the old firebirds until the are really beat in so a TL is probably the best compromise you can find. the only problem is finding them! unless you like the new pro plastic...
later
Chris

Dec 29 2004, 05:59 PM
The TL is not a combination of the Leopard and Teebird. The L stands for long not Leopard.

ChunkyleeChong
Dec 29 2004, 06:16 PM
The TL is not a combination of the Leopard and Teebird. The L stands for long not Leopard.



Not Teebird/Leopard, Not Teebird Long
TeeBird Less as in less stable

Dec 29 2004, 07:11 PM
The L is mistaken for leopard because the bottom half of the TL looks REALLY similar to a leopards bottom half.