How do these 2 discs rate? Do they have a similiar flight pattern/characteristics? Is one more stable than the other? Looking for some helpful info. :)

PT Woods
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Starfire, is more stable then an Orc, just as fast, but not as stable as a Firebird.

Crush, is less stable then a Beast. Almost as fast.

I haven't thrown a Starfire in a while but I liked it alot. Crush is now sitting in my "to trade" box in my trunk.

It depends.

I have had 2 green and 1 yellow Crushes that were more overstable than an Orc...just slightly less stable than a firebird.
I have had 2 clear white and 1 blue Crushes that were flippier than a beast...just slightly less flippy than a valkyrie.

That's a pretty big swing for what is ostensibly the same disc. I have liked all of them, they are just very different.

I've thrown a green crush that was as overstable as my predator. What would you want for your crush?

I dont really agree that the Starfire is more stable than a Orc. Could be the one I throw {1st run} but I think that Starfires are less stable then Orcs, more stable then Beasts. I think that the Crush is alot like a Beast, or alot like a used Starfire.

I've thrown a green crush that was as overstable as my predator. What would you want for your crush?



Let me check if I still have it. I may have traded for an XL, it was dark and there were 6 people trading about 30 discs in the back of a pickup. I will PM you with the details of the disc and if I have it or not.

Starfire 1st run are bit more stable than the Champ Orc 1st run.
Crush is less stable than a Orc.
In a distance competion ? Well I think it would be a very tough race between the Orc and the Crush.

I hear alot of people saying that the Crush is the "Discraft Starfire," and the Flash is the "Discraft Orc." I think they go in this order (threw a Beast in there for comparison) of stability (least to most, all Z/Champ plastic):
Flash
Beast
Crush
Starfire
Orc

Of course I have had one Crush that was a freak of nature--not a first run. It was very overstable compared to friends' that I threw. The flash flipped no matter what wind I threw it in--didn't like it. I've thrown 3 starfires, and they start out pretty overstable until you break them in a month or so later. Then they are great straight distance drivers. I have my first one that I still use as my primary driver for straight shots, and although it can flip, I can hyzer-release it into most winds and not tank the drive right (I'm RHBH). I have recently become attached to the Orc. It seems to hold up in the wind better than the Starfire, plus they're more available than Starfires. The pro Orc is about like a Z-flash, probably a little more stable, and flies VERY fast. I have broken personal bests with this one...around 500' or so when it used to be 450'. Definitely should try a pro Orc. Sorry for the long post, I figured this would answer lots of questions.

My starfires are a little more stable than my orc......my orc is 75 and my 2 starfires are 71 and 74...they are both more stable.......my crush on the other hand is my long fade hyzer disc.....when I want the path of a firebird but longer thats what I throw...but I mainly thumb the starfires....