im still trying to figure out what to keep in my bag. so far what i know about my game is that i can throw a ton (500'+) and cant make a long put to save my life (or a short one to save my best friends life) I would appreciate any info on how to make my bag more well rounded and am just kind of curious to hear what is in everyone elses bag...so yeah... heres what ive got
2 10x KC Aviar-175 drives and hyzer putts (275-)
1 Aviar Glo Put-174 most putts and some rollers (40-)
1 DX Cobra-176 short range rollers and flip shots (300-)
1 10x KC Roc-180 hyzer flip to flat and anhyzer hold shots (300+)
1 11x KC Roc-180 flat shots with some turn (300-)
1 CE Spider-175 Flat shots with a consistent hyzer at the end (300-)
1 KC Whippet-175 Spike hyzers? Havent thrown it yet...(???)
1 Pro Line Leopard-172 Long anhyzers and flip hyzers (400-)
1 KC TeeBird-175 Flat Straight Shots(400-)
1 KC Eagle-169 Some flip with a good hyzer at the end (400+)
1 CE Eagle-171 Flat hyzer shots (400-)
1 KC Fiebierd-171 Forehand and Big Hyzers (350-)
1 Champion Viking-169 Hyzers and flippy shots (500+)
1 Champion Orc-175 Most long open drives (500-)

...and that about does it...
lates,
Chris

well you got your name going for you, can't go wrong with a name like Chris!

What helped my upshot game more than anything from 250 and less feet is the pro-line rhyno! The rhyno is so smooth and
stable that it makes the roc look erratic!! Got a 240 ft ace with mine the other day.....

double A... what kind of rhino are you throwing? dx? ce? champion? se?

Thats cool but....you need to learn how to throw a roc......erratic???

Sounds like the discs aren't the problem... just gotta get it in the basket. There about a dozen threads on here that stress just PUTTING religiously. Probably would be your best bet rather than trying to switch plastic.

Get a premium plastic putt and approach disc and start using it for everything under 350'. I throw my CE Qmega this far and I don't have anywhere close to your max D. This really helps you harness and intensify your power base because you must not only throw your putter hard to do this, but very, very smooth as well. It takes a slow, but powerful throw with a lot of snap. With your power it is not going to help you that much to be able to throw any further. Instead you should seek advantage over your competition by throwing slower, more controlled discs when those of lesser power are forced to use more sensitive and risky discs.

I just got a Q omega and I love it also....right off the bat it felt good...I hit a up shot for a 2 today from 120 or so out with it today.....its a sick disc....

i love it!!!

awsome approch disc....one of the best I ever used.....reminds me of a four time aviar x....the softer ones.... ;)

Sorry forgot to hit post new....

Hey Chris. Your bag isn't missing anything, but there might be a few shots that you could develop more. The touch shots from 100 - 150' out. Around trees, layups in front of the cliff, floathing anhyzers. etc. Since I play with you a lot I know you've got the distance, and your putting form is good (it's just going to take a bit more practice to get that muscle memory kicking in on those, and to realize that you don't have to run every shot) but your short "touch" game could use some practice.

Your already almost beating me, I'm not sure why I'm giving you advice *grin*.

ce24428 I throw pro-line rhynos for drives and upshots 270 and in. I have seen people throw aviars from that distance, as you do, but they seem to float too much and flip over often.... The pro-line rhyno is soft and grippy but takes a beating and is stable compared to even the stiffest aviar. Rochucker, I love the roc man! From 280-350 it's money! But the Rhyno is so consistent it makes the roc (the 2nd most consistent disc) seem erratic....The roc is just too long for 200 feet and in.....

From what Stan, who seems to know this guy, says, it sounds like the Rhyno would only be a crutch for someone who does not have a lot of touch in their approach game. The Aviar is not flippy! (would a flippy disc be the #1 professional golf disc of all time?) Champion ones are hardcore overstable, and Qmegas are only flippy in windy conditions. What flips these discs is off axis torque, usually caused by issues with throwing mechanics such as a release that does not provide a smooth energy transfer. These are skills that any top disc golfer possesses and all ams should aspire to learn.

stan! good to hear from you. your playing doubles tomorrow, right? if you are i will probably see you out there. i know your mostly right on with your analysis of my game but i really have beeen working on my putts and anhyzers so we will see whats what tomorrow. by the way... why did you even check this site out? you dont have anything close to a big arm? :p
later
Chris

So here's what I don't get... aviars and rocs are stable discs, which means they're going to tend to be more towards the flippy side than they're overstable replacements/brothers/sisters/whatever for putt and approach, but how far are people throwing these discs that they have so much speed that they start flipping? i'm probably gettting 250 with the roc and no signs whatsoever of it turning at all, the roc is not close to new, and not max weight either. my guess of what the most likely response is, rocs will start flipping a little towards 300 and significantly towards 350?...

CE, I think your bag looks fine, if a bit heavy for my taste.

You need to work on your game, not your bag.
500-foot throwers shouldn't buy any more sexy sharp discs.

I remember my first worlds in 1992. Climo crushed with 5 discs, which he just held in his non-throwing hand. I think it was a viper, 3 rocs, and an aviar.

Yes, check the putting threads on the board. Check with a couple of good pro putters to see that your technique is not too abnormal. Buy 10 more aviars and do 300 putts a day for a month. That will solve 80+% of your putting problems.

BTW, there are a couple of NW long-arms that swear by the DX beast. I think it would be a great disc for DeLa, except for the fact that it will only last about 2 rounds before it turns to crap. :)

heheh, It's a good thing that accuracy counts more than distance then *grin*. I won't be golfing this weekend, except my normal putting practice. Lot's of family obligations and Christmas fun.

Your game is coming along in leaps and bounds. Consistency is the major thing missing, and you get that by just continuing to play and learning. Learning to be accurate with your short discs (which ever ones they may be) is what's going to take the most strokes off of your game right now.

You can talk ***** about my game as soon as you step up into advanced or at least the A-pool in the locals *grin*.

Sorry for the hijack, I'll step back now and listen to what the 500'+ throwers have to say.

Well, I don't throw 500, but I do throw a solid 440, and my advice to you is this:

Play one or two weekends with your putter. Throw it off of the tee, for upshots, and (god forbid) for putting. For me, this enabled me to slow down my driving motion, and get more control out of the discs in my bag.

$0.02

First of all I can't throw over 500 (I'm happy with anything over 425)
Having admitted that, the only thing wrong with your bag is there are too many discs in it.(I counted 15) If you're having problems being consistent it's most likely you don't know your plastic well enough. The most common reason I see for golfers not taking their games to the next level is they don't know their plastic. If you have too many discs there are too many options at each situation which leads to indecision and consequently not being "committed to the shot". You should be able to do several different things with most of your discs instead of having one disc for every unique purpose. I'd suggest paring your bag down to about 8 discs (maybe three drivers:stable, overstable,understable,two midranges:stable,unstable, one or at the most two putters and maybe one specialty disc possibly for rolling or other specialty shot). I'd stick with just 8 discs for 5 or 6 weeks after your consistency improves you could add a disc or two, I personally try not to ever exceed 10 and rarely use more than 7 per round.

If you have any shorter courses (with holes in the 250'-350' range) I'd suggest playing a few rounds with two midranges and a putter. Get to know your plastic real well and practice all facets of the short game.

What I've seen in my travels is that different people throw similar discs differently. What "billyjoe" can do with a, lets say, spider, and do well 90% of the time, "bobbisue" might not be able to do at all, but she possesses other types of shots that billyjoe doesn't even know exists.

what I'm trying to say is take one disc out and learn it from every side of the pin. put yourself behind trees and get there anny and hyzer, pancake, roller, flickeroo, if you can think of it, try it and repeat in greater distances once you've figured out how that particular disc performs on its peak shots...FOR YOU.
its all about practice, you don't always have to be throwing at a basket.

Have you ever seen a whats in the bag of a top pro?
Ron Russell won the worlds with 3 models, a cyclone, comet and magnet.
Kenny used Gazelles, rocs and Aviars for most of his early worlds wins. Now he may have a leopard and orc, but not much more.
I would say you have WAY TO MANY different discs to ever be able to "know them all".
Most top pros only have 2-3 different styles of high speed driver and 1-2 mid-ranges, but most likely 2-3 of each style though, ( new, slighty used and broken in).

I would make more room for putters and of course practice putting 5 times more than you drive :D

Ok sorry but your post is rasing flags for me. You have been on the board for 2 months, you can throw 500', and you don't know what disc to throw? Sorry if I'm wrong, but this sounds really suspicious.

If you want to look at what a well rounded bag looks like, look in your own bag! I suggest you go back and read your first post. Come on, you can throw 500'! You have to have some kind of concept of how to play this game! You can throw an Aviar 275 and a ROC over 300. That basically puts you into the elite of the disc golfers. Now what is the problem?!

Sorry if I'm being harsh, but it seems like you just made all that up based on what you have read about real players on here. I don't know you, but this whole deal sounds fishy.

I throw S Illusions and DX Teebirds for distance. 400' fairly easily controll distance with the Illusions and max at about 430' with the Teebirds, pure distance. If you really do have alot of power, I suggest looking at the Spirit because it is an awesome disc and favored by the people I know who throw 500'. If you are an intermediate player searching for 500' from a disc, like you come off as, go with something like a Beast.

I sure wish i could throw 500'! ****. That would be nice.

But not as nice as draining putts left and right.

I can drive pretty far for a relative newbie (400'-450' when summer comes around) I only been playing for almost a year and the thing that gets me is when i have to putt.

I can typically just put my upshot or drive next to the basket (<300' holes) I agree with the PRO LINE RHYNO and would like to add a KC Pro Banshee.

These two discs are the most predictable discs in the market today.

The PRO LINE RHYNO for dead straight shots within 240' (even in any wind)

The KC Pro Banshee for Hyser Bombs, Skip Shots, Hyser Approachs 30' - 300'!! Amazingly accurate and predictable hyser disc!

Perfect for your 'big arm'.

Just go practice your up shots and putting. It seems like you have driving down.

so five hundred+....im sure you can birdie I-5 and, well, every other hole at De LaVeaga then ya?...or is that 500+ off the "top of the world" cus i can drive 700 if thats our frame of reference here... with a roc

Have you ever seen a whats in the bag of a top pro?
Ron Russell won the worlds with 3 models, a cyclone, comet and magnet.
Kenny used Gazelles, rocs and Aviars for most of his early worlds wins. Now he may have a leopard and orc, but not much more.
I would say you have WAY TO MANY different discs to ever be able to "know them all".
Most top pros only have 2-3 different styles of high speed driver and 1-2 mid-ranges, but most likely 2-3 of each style though, ( new, slighty used and broken in).

I would make more room for putters and of course practice putting 5 times more than you drive :D



I disagree, I carry alot of different molds, and I even practice with different discs then what I play tournaments with. However twice a week I go to a field and throw every disc I have over and over again to work on form and learning the discs. I now know what every disc does in my bag.

Z-Flick
C-Firebird
C-Whippet
C-Orc
C-Beast
Z-Talon
Z-EL
C-Teebird
C-Valkrie
C-Leopard (2)
Z-Flash
Z-Wasp
Super Roc
Z-Buzz (3) different domes and wear
C-Aviar
Z-MRV
DX-Cobra
DX-Aviar
Super Puppy
CT Challenger
Omega SS

As I get better on my sidearm throws the MRV and Cobra will leave the bag, but I know every disc in my bag and never have a problem with disc selection on the teebox. Plus I do not like to vary my arm motion when I throw and I prefer that the disc do all the work (as in distance and degree of turn/fade).

Most top pros only have 2-3 different styles of high speed driver and 1-2 mid-ranges, but most likely 2-3 of each style though, ( new, slighty used and broken in).




I noticed that, too. I went though all the players on Innova and Discraft's websites and found that a most of the players used between 4 and 9 molds and a vast majority used between 5 and 8 molds. I'm assuming it turns out similar for Gateway, but I didn't really look because they don't have the option of 20+ molds to choose from.

im still trying to figure out what to keep in my bag. so far what i know about my game is that i can throw a ton (500'+) and cant make a long put to save my life (or a short one to save my best friends life) I would appreciate any info on how to make my bag more well rounded and am just kind of curious to hear what is in everyone elses bag...so yeah... heres what ive got
2 10x KC Aviar-175 drives and hyzer putts (275-)
1 Aviar Glo Put-174 most putts and some rollers (40-)
1 DX Cobra-176 short range rollers and flip shots (300-)
1 10x KC Roc-180 hyzer flip to flat and anhyzer hold shots (300+)
1 11x KC Roc-180 flat shots with some turn (300-)
1 CE Spider-175 Flat shots with a consistent hyzer at the end (300-)
1 KC Whippet-175 Spike hyzers? Havent thrown it yet...(???)
1 Pro Line Leopard-172 Long anhyzers and flip hyzers (400-)
1 KC TeeBird-175 Flat Straight Shots(400-)
1 KC Eagle-169 Some flip with a good hyzer at the end (400+)
1 CE Eagle-171 Flat hyzer shots (400-)
1 KC Fiebierd-171 Forehand and Big Hyzers (350-)
1 Champion Viking-169 Hyzers and flippy shots (500+)
1 Champion Orc-175 Most long open drives (500-)




Sounds like you an I have the same EXACT problem. Can park holes that are 450 but get the same score as guys who cant even drive 400 because we cant hit the putt. Then we get the advantage on the 700 foot holes of haveing a 300 ft up shot in stead of another 350 ft drive but we cant make 3 because our upshot and putt suck. That was my huge problem last year.

Since then i have started practicing putting almost EVERY day of the week. Atleast 200 or more putts a night. This is a huge help. I never practice anything outside 30ft. Then I also bought about 10 or 15 Challengers to practice my upshots from 300 and in. I prefer the Crystal Z challenger but i would suggest a CE Aviar for you since you like Innova. CE Avairs are the bomb. Go to a field and throw 200 or 300 upshots with your putter once or twice a week. That really improved my accuracy and helped shave strokes off my game.

Lastly i think you should cut your bag down to about 8 or 9 molds max and 3 or 4 MAIN molds. What i mean is i think you should throw.

Firebirds
Orcs
Teebirds
Rocs
Aviars

Those should be your main molds. Id say carry 2 1 Firebird 2 or 3 orcs 2 or 3 Teebirds 4 rocs and 3 or 4 aviars. Then throw a Monster in there for the wind and skips and forehands and whatnot and maybe a Leapord or Sidewinder for super flips and rolls but other then that with a big arm you should be able to make your Firebirds Orcs Teebirds Rocs and Aviars do just about EVERYTHING you could Imagine. This will also help your consistency because you will be putting the same molds in your hand shot after shot after shot after shot and not switching molds for every different shot on the course.

Here is what my bag looks like.

Main Molds
3 Tsunamis
(1 Beat Fusion=Stable 1 New Fusion=Overstable 1 Sparkle Z=More Overstable)
1 Z Wasp
5 BUZZZs (178 First Run Z=Stable 178 Z= Semi Overstable 170 Z= Understable 177 Beat D= Super understable 177 New D= Inbetween 170 Z and 177 Beat D)
4 Challengers (1 Crystal Z challenger= Overstable 1 Pro D for putting 1 New Cam Todd= Stable 1 Beat Cam Todd=Understable)

Extra Molds
1 174 Z Flick for forehands and skips and super hard Hyzers
174 Z Extra for Thumbers
174 Crush or Wildcat for rollers

MR two putt,
I assume you responded to this meaning your a top pro.
Could you throw out some credentials for the sake of the conversation?
Going to the site of the manufacturer for "whats in a players bag" could involve a little hype and possibly some advertisement value for the company.
MY point is that you either have to have a whole lot of time or be REALLY REALLY talented to actually know this many discs and have had a chance to practice each one of them enough for the confidence needed.

Garublador,
2-3 high speed drivers 1-2 mid-ranges and 1 style of putt and approach comes to 4-6 molds which seems to fall into the range you noticed when viewing the Team players bio.
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There are guys here saying they have 8 different drivers and 4 different mid-ranges and 3 different putt and aproach discs.
I cant really see how ANYONE, especially an Amateur player could get enough practice with each of these models to really know each disc.
Maybe I was off for the whole lineup of "TEAM players.\
I guess what I mean by top pros are the players who actually win the big tournies.
Kenny, Barry, Steve Rico, Ron Russell, Cam Todd, Jhnny McCray and a few others I've watched several rounds both live and on film over the last few years and know for a fact their disc selection is a very limited one.
I would'nt go by whats on the website that much, watching them play with their discs is more accurate information /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Most of the Super Pros that I have talked to and watched have 3 or 4 CORE molds in there bag and 2 or 3 of Each of those molds. Then they may have a couple TRICK or UTILITY discs that they only use is CERTAIN situations that only arise once in a while. I know that when Justing Jernigan won worlds in 04 all he had in his bag was 3 Teebirds 8 Rocs and 4 or 5 Aviars. I though he had a Firbird and 1 other disc in there but im not Sure. All I know is 3 TBirds that all flew differently 8 Rocs that all flew different and 4 Aviars that all flew different.

I used to have about 10 or more diff molds in my bag and when i finally switched to the 4 main ones I throw now it really helped me improve my game.

If i threw Innova i would throw
Firebirds
Teebirds
Rocs
Aviars

I throw Discraft though so all i throw is
Tsunamis
Wasp/BUZZZ i consider them the same mold
Challengers

You dont need 15 different molds. Once you learn 4 molds if you cant make those 4 molds do everything youll need on the course then i dont know what to tell you.

Then there are guys like Schweb that carries every mold made in his bag. :D

I would'nt go by whats on the website that much, watching them play with their discs is more accurate information /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



I kind of assume that on the websites they list all the discs they'll consider using in tournament play. I also assume that there's normally a disc or two in there for "specailty" or "get out of trouble" shots that aren't used on most holes. During any given round I assume they only use a subset of what they listed and what they use probably depends on the wind conditions and course layout.

Personally, I've noticed that when the pressure's on or I'm playing a particularly difficult hole there are a few "go-to" discs in my bag that I'll use and several discs that I won't consider using. At the one tournament I played at I carried 11 discs, only used maybe 6 of them total and used 4 of them regularly. I had played the course earlier to see what it was like and used the same number of discs, but different discs because the wind was different and I used different teepads. I could be wrong, but I figured most players used similar strategies.

Then there are guys like Schweb that carries every mold made in his bag.



Well Schebby is the exception to the rule plus he has to fill that Santa Crus bag with SOMETHING :D

aren't you supposed to fill a Santa Cruz bag with BEER??? Doesn't even have a 3 can discpenser thing on the front, built-in? :D

MR two putt,
I assume you responded to this meaning your a top pro.
Could you throw out some credentials for the sake of the conversation?
Going to the site of the manufacturer for "whats in a players bag" could involve a little hype and possibly some advertisement value for the company.
MY point is that you either have to have a whole lot of time or be REALLY REALLY talented to actually know this many discs and have had a chance to practice each one of them enough for the confidence needed.



I'd listen to Dave... I mean, he is a pro and owns his own disc golf company... and happens to be the highest rated person whos posted advice on this thread... would only make sense to, right?

MR two putt,
I assume you responded to this meaning your a top pro.
Could you throw out some credentials for the sake of the conversation?
Going to the site of the manufacturer for "whats in a players bag" could involve a little hype and possibly some advertisement value for the company.
MY point is that you either have to have a whole lot of time or be REALLY REALLY talented to actually know this many discs and have had a chance to practice each one of them enough for the confidence needed.



As for my credentials, I am an advanced player, usually occupying the last "cashing" position in tournaments No, I am not a pro. But what I imply is that each person is their own golfer. Copying pros will not make you a pro. I was putting out an example that not everyone carries only a few molds and that they can perform well. Do I recommend people playing with alot of molds? No, just pointing out that some people can do it. My goal is to reach the professional level, however I only picked up a golf disc 1 year ago after years of scuffing at it from the Guts and Ultimate divsions of disc sports. Does that mean that once I start playing open that I will dump most of my discs for a select molds? I cannot tell you that. There are already a few molds I took out and a few that are on their way out. Now if I happened to become sponsored after I turn pro, if I am that lucky, then I will have to get rid of some of the discs because it is taboo to throw stuff other then your sponsors discs.

Of course anyone can go ahead and look at my PDGA credentials. Go ahead and look, I am a member, and it is linked in my profile. I did cruddy at my first PDGA event, but with Tom Monroe as a personal friend and coach I think I will continue on this improvement streak for a while. See you in BG and AM World Doubles, if your there to spectate.

Copying pros will not make you a pro



This is true but doing everything they do cant hurt. My philosopy is if youve never seen a Super Pro do it then its not worth trying or learning ;) If you emulate and copy what the pros do it cant do anything but help your game :D

This is true but doing everything they do cant hurt. My philosopy is if youve never seen a Super Pro do it then its not worth trying or learning ;) If you emulate and copy what the pros do it cant do anything but help your game :D



So I need to buy a truck with Wisconsin plates? :)

So I need to buy a truck with Wisconsin plates?



It couldnt hurt ;)

Ok I'm not sure if I qualify as a big arm or not but I do have 400' of golf D any time I want it and if it's calm or the wind is right I have 450' of golf D (this is based on hole lengths at several courses I have played, not message board D. Message board D I can throw 675' into a 40 mph headwind but we all know that's not true). I also can't putt to save anyone's life so please don't ask me to.

Here's what I carry and why:
171 Champion Rhyno - 300' and in overstable
175 beat S Wizard - 300' and in understable
174 S Wizard - 300' and in stable
170 beat Demon - 300-350' stable-overstable mid
174 Demon - 275-325' hyzers and any headwind there is
??? beat Champion Beast - 400+' turnovers and max D hyzer flips
175 Champion Beast - 400+ helix disc
173 Starfire - 400+' no wind overstable driver
??? beat Starfire - 400+' straight line driver
170 Champion Firebird - thumbers/tomahawks
172 CE Firebird - 325-400' spike hyzers and big headwinds
169 CE Firebird - Headwind max D
175 Champion Monster - thumbers/tomahawks and throwing into hurricanes should one come along
182 S Element X - 300-350(+?)' straight/hyzer mid
180 S Element X - see above but I'm trying to beat this one up
182 E Element - 250-300' finesse shots
174 S Element - 250-300' finesse shots w/ anhyzer finish

Putters
2 SE Rhynos (1 beat, 1 stable) - all putts
beat Classic Aviar (hard Smallbead remake) - extreme elevation change putts because its so floaty compared to my Rhynos

180 S Element X - see above but I'm trying to beat this one up


Now I know its true, but that line just strikes me as funny. We all like broken in plastic and all have our ways of wearing them in but its just funny when I hear about someone TRYING to beat up a plastic disc. :D

I just got 2 of them a week and a half ago so they are both brand new. Right now they don't have any flip at all but I think that with a little "tuning" it will easily become my go to disc (translation Roc/Buzz/Wasp eqivalent for you Gateway haters). But it's also Gateway plastic (translation near indestructible, also for the Gateway haters). I'm hoping it replaces my Rocs because I've played the "find-a-replacement-Roc-and-pay-way-too-much-for-it" game for over ten years now and would rather just play discs instead.

I totally understand your point. I throw all Gateway and it takes a while for a new disc to really find a groove for me, but once they do, man are they sweet. I have 2 S elements, 2 S element X-s and one E element X and the beat in s element flies signifiicantly different from the new one. My illusion was overstable for me when I first got it and it is still but will hold a dead straight line if I want it to also which is nice. I have been able to throw it about 310 (yes a puny arm) on a frozen rope that never gets above my head. Now that's bad message board D but great for actual golf shots as far as I am concerned.

That "H" Illusion is the shizzle. :D

That "H" Illusion is the shizzle. :D



I second that...I've seen George put one WAY the hell out there...at least 500'!!

The backbone of my bag is made up of 3 discs: 2 Illusions, 3 Elements, 3 Wizards. I also have a 177 H Speed Demon and a 173 S Demon for you know what.

If I had cash for discs, I would buy a ton of Element X's, Spirits, ect. Gotta get a car soon though :( :cool: