For you guys out there that can throw 400'+, what disc do you use? I am trying to find a common disc that everybody seems to get good distance with. For myself, I have tried a bunch and nothing specifically works well.

I dont think its the disc,any disc considered a driver can reach '400.Now the easiest disc I can drive Far is a Ce Valk or a Beast, I use the Proline

I threw 504 at Worlds and avg. around 400 - 430 on golf holes.

I throw 171-175 Orcs. I used to throw 4X Valks and never throw them anymore. The key to distance is preparing for the worst case scenario. While you will achieve max D throwing over the top, you also are likely to lose a lot of D by turning it over too much. In distance competitions, I throw over the top trying to get a full S, hoping that I catch one. In tournament play - I just throw flat and focus on only throwing about 400.

Most of the time losing 100 feet in D is not that big of a deal

This guy has a cannon guys... I'd listen to him.

i also throw 171-175 orcs. they keep disappearing into water though.

I throw max weight Spirits, and occasionally an Illusion.

it is the thrower not the disc

Orcs are good. Teebirds too.

It is all about the disc. Not the thrower. :p

I like 165-168 Champ Orcs, or 171-175 Champ Valks, depends on wind, slope, and desired flight path.
I throw around 400'
Cheers,
Matt
PS. But my favorite driver is a 175 Older Proline Leopard, the Champion/Pro Mix. Straight as an arrow for 350'.

I like medium weight H-Illusions or medium weight X-Predators.

it is the thrower not the disc



I agree and I disagree

Orcs added 50 feet to my Valks immediatly. While I could always throw far, switching to Orcs just made me throw furhter

Orc! "THE" distance driver. 400+' and counting!

I throw TeeBirds, Orcs and Valks well over 400+...it just depends on the type of shot that I'm throwing.

im an 174-175g Champ Orc man as well. you can't beat em!
but i also throw a very nice 166-168 JK Champ Valk.

Different shots require different discs.

But in an open field, long hole, Orc's have the best predictablility for great distance!

How does the Orc compare to the Beast? I switched from Valks to Beasts and added about 30', I'd like the extra 20'!

For me it's FASTER, glides a little longer and it usually fades back.

Also try a Dx Beast.

for me the X Predator is the longest thing out there. Though as I get used to the larger lip my flash is getting out there a nice distance.

I get the same distance (375-425') out of 170-175 Beasts, Orcs, and Crushes. The longest disc I have ever thrown is a Proline Orc thrown 'over the top' but they are not predictable enough to use in a round. For a long time my longest disc was a 166 Orc but it is now flippy. I bought a 164 and it is a stable pig so I don't know. I throw flat about 20' high and get an S on my longest throws. If I don't get the S then they usually end up on the 375 end. With the S is when I break 400.

I find that Orcs are a tad more stable then Beasts.

Golf; for shots over 400ft, Orc any wind coming from the left side. Beast any wind coming from the right. With the wind straightening out the flights both Orc and Beast land about the same place. I throw flat and straight. I have gotten the both the Beast and Orc 430+ feet in Golf. Both are in Champion plastic. If there is a significant head wind (+10mph) I throw a Champion Firebird. All my discs are max weight.

The only distance competition I have been in there was a 15mph head wind. Both Champ Beast and Orc went 425 and 430ft. But the DX Beast went 450ft. I do not use the DX for golf, I am waiting for the DX Orc, that may be my new distance competition disc.

If you like Discraft, The Crush and Flash are decent distance discs, and if you can control a long anhyzer throw, the flick is another good distance disc.

I totally agree. I used to throw primarily CE Valks. I picked up an Orc & immediately added distance to my drives. I prefer 172G.

I never got on with the champ Beast, I much prefer the DX. I find it hard to believe the Orc is faster, the Beast is just so **** quick! Not calling you a liar, it's just difficult to comprehend!
In fact, I don't really get on with champ plastic at all. I used to throw a Z-XS for distance, but now it's gone, all my discs are DX or Elite, plus one Proline.

I throw Pro and Champ Orcs, Dx Beasts, and Pro TL's for "distance" shots: but it all depends on the shot, If it's a tight ceiling, or a narrow fairway, I throw my TLs, but if I have room to spare, and all that matters is distance then I can flex my Orcs and Beasts and squeak out that extra bit... I find that the Pro Orcs, are fairly similar to the Dx Beasts (at least the ones I've thrown) with the Champ Orcs being more overstable. The TL's I also find easier to throw up to 400' but I can't really get any further (I start to flip them). With the Orc/Beast I have to hit that really nice S-curve to get them over 400' but once they do, I can get more distance than with my TLs. (for the record I max out around 480') :D

160g Orc, easier for me to control. All my other drivers are 174g.

Where are all the Discraft throwers? I throw both (Innova and Discfaft), and have only reached 400'+ on occassion. I have had zero luck with Gateway, but want to get an Illusion. I wanted to make a coment about the Crush. Coda Hatfield from Oklahoma throws a Crush far (over 500'). The line is slight hyzer and it flips up to slight anni, then fades back a bit at the end. This is dead straight golf distance!

I hope to add 50' this year, but it won't be the disc! It will be me on the football field, aiming for the uprights! Now get out there and practice!!! :D

I throw Discraft. For me, one of the best Discraft distance discs out there is the limited run and hard to come by X-Crush. Ball go far.

I am a bit of a weenie arm -- 300' is a great throw for me. That said, I will report that I have long found the Valk to be my best distance disc -- in different variations, including a 160-gm CE, a 164-gm JK Pro, and recently a 150-gm JK Champion plastic. In looking for more D, I have tried DX Beasts, Z-Wildcats, Champ Teebird, H and E Spirits, and Champ Orcs, but have only found one disc that betters all these -- the Z-Flash. I have a 171-gm Z-Flash that is my most consistent distance disc. I can occasionally pop the 150-gm Valk as far, but not with as much control. The Flash is simply the best all-around distance driver that I have found. (Still, I find the talk about the new Sidewinder making me mighty curious...)

I throw all Discraft and for PURE DISTANCE in a field i throw Crushes and Flashs and sometimes a light X Pred. I throw all on S curve lines. Aim out to the left throw flat hard and semi high. Let it flip over ride out the HUGE anny and then S back right at the end.

For distance air shots and distance rollers I throw a 1st Run Z Crush. I've also thrown a beat up elite Predator, which I currently have my longest measureable throw with.

i find most all the discs mentioned can go far. for me the problem has been trying to get them to flip, but not so much that they go down to the right. i have found the dx beast to be by far the most consistant of the long drivers. it will go as far, just on a much straighter flight path. champ beast/flash/crush/valk for me are absurdly unpredictable. champ orc is nice for a really stable distance disc, e.g. for s turns

Coda Hatfield from Oklahoma throws a Crush far (over 500'). The line is slight hyzer and it flips up to slight anni, then fades back a bit at the end. This is dead straight golf distance!




That's because he's not human, he's a disc golf machine ;)

I like Illusions, in the wind or with a slight hyzer I can get lucky with spirits, but Illusions and Flashes have been my best tosses so far.

Coda Hatfield from Oklahoma throws a Crush far (over 500'). The line is slight hyzer and it flips up to slight anni, then fades back a bit at the end. This is dead straight golf distance!




That's because he's not human, he's a disc golf machine ;)

I like Illusions, in the wind or with a slight hyzer I can get lucky with spirits, but Illusions and Flashes have been my best tosses so far.



Yeah, the guys unreal. I played with him in Emporia, and where everyone else shot above par (in the rain), he came back in 7 under. Amazing.

I have the recipe to beat him; PLAY BETTER. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

You cant go wrong not throwing gateway!!!

Sure you can, your missing a whole range of discs, you disc snob. Real Cool.

Gimicky discs that are as hard as a oak door...my buddie J.T Peables was a gateway rep and he even said they are not good...I usedto putt with a chief..then I switched to innova now I can putt.Im not a disc snob im just a smart golfer...Low budget company...low budget discs....this is my opinion...everyone is entitled to one. :D:p

Who do they sponsor?

Wow. I am not gonna cut you down or anything because everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how much I may disagree with it. First of all, I throw a mix of Discraft, Innova, and last but not least...GATEWAY. They all make good discs. I couldn't imagine putting with anything but my Wizards. They are the best putter out there IMO. Try out a Spirit or an Illusion. They are great drivers. Oh yeah, the new Element and Element-X are both magic. They are by far the best thing to come out for mid-ranges since the Z Buzzz. I put them on the same level as my Rocs and Buzzzes. You wouldn't be dissin Gateway if you threw their plastic. :)

actually I have thrown gateway and I'll stick to trusted discs not discs I have to work to find...I live in innova country...you can keep your gateway discs all to yourself....please!

I just noticed where you are from and now I know why you love them so much.Do you work for them or what...

When it comes down to it...they are golf discs and I love disc golf.so props for that but..... :p

Who does Gateway sponsor? Ummm...just a few of the best golfers on tour:
George Smith (Rating:1010 12th at Worlds 30th at USDGC)
John E. McCray (Rating:1019 25th at Worlds 10th at USDGC)
Shawn Sinclair (Rating: 1011 25th at Worlds DNP USDGC)
Justin Bunnell (Rating:1000 12th at Worlds 36th at USDGC)

Not to mention a bunch of really talented AMs

Just b/c the discs don't say Innova on them, doesn't make them crap. Gateway makes very dependable discs, and if you can't see that, your loss. Its one thing to put down a disc, but a whole company? Real cool buddy.

I have the recipe to beat him; PLAY BETTER. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Much easier said then done. I see this guy play all the time out here. Just unreal.

and...


When it comes down to it...they are golf discs and I love disc golf



:D

chill out people!!!!you get so heated...like I said something about your mom....I...I repeat...I dont think they are quality discs...in my six years of play I have never seen or thrown a gateway that feels good...Do they make them in champ quality plastic?Another thing is that they aren't readly avalible....no one carry's them and honestly nobody I know wants to...not just people but dealers.....show me a gateway that flies like a orc....you will say the dillussion, I say no....i've thrown one ...guess what I thought of it.....

Do they make them in champ quality plastic?...



Yes. Evolution Plastic. Same quality, albeit different feel.

cool..I have yet to see it...

I think that when most players are looking for a distance disc they buy few different models and throw them in a field to find out what works best. I try to throw everything that comes out and IMO Gateway Spirits fly the farthest and are the most consistent. I use S plastic for straight drives with a fade at the end and H plastic for big hyzers or into the wind. Every S and H plastic Spirit I have bought flies the same as the previous one. The Illusion is not similar to an Orc at all so I really don't want to comment on that. I also think that there are many people out there who would not consider Champion to be Innova's best plastic.

It is true that there are not many Gateway outlets in this neck of the woods. It's just as hard to find Lightning plastic, and they are based here.

I throw mainly Innova drivers, not because they are better, but because they are all similar. The lines from one mold to the next aren't drastically different, just significantly different. I do have a Flash in there since it fits into the pattern well.

My mids are across several manufacturers.

My putter will probably always be the Omega SS.

Do they make them in champ quality plastic?...



Yes. Evolution Plastic. Same quality, albeit different feel.



Beat me to the punch.

Is the Spirit less overstable in plastics other than E? Because my E-Spirit is more overstable than any Firebird, Banshee, Z-Predator or Monster I have ever thrown. The only disc I have ever thrown that was in the same ballpark as far as overstability was the Chamion Whippet-X.

I now throw the tsunami for distance now, it is pushing 600

Where the heck can I find one of those discs in Austin Tx? (tsunami)

You can by one off the internet.

Is the Spirit less overstable in plastics other than E? Because my E-Spirit is more overstable than any Firebird, Banshee, Z-Predator or Monster I have ever thrown. The only disc I have ever thrown that was in the same ballpark as far as overstability was the Chamion Whippet-X.



"CE" Spirits (Clear Evolution) are pretty straight...comparable to an Orc or a longer TeeBird.

As far as your Spirits go (I'm assuming you have non candy "E" by the description) all its takes is 20 or so high UDs on to hard ground, and voila...sweet distance disc.

It is true that there are not many Gateway outlets in this neck of the woods. It's just as hard to find Lightning plastic, and they are based here.

I throw mainly Innova drivers, not because they are better, but because they are all similar. The lines from one mold to the next aren't drastically different, just significantly different. I do have a Flash in there since it fits into the pattern well.

My mids are across several manufacturers.

My putter will probably always be the Omega SS.



This is a good point. Unless you are sponsored by a certian manufacturer then I see no point in being so loyal to the manufacturer. Throw what works best for you. All my drivers are Innova besides my Flash (roller) and a Flick which rotates with my Monster. But for midranges, I mostly throw Discraft, Wasp, Buzzz, MRV. I have a Classic Roc in there, and I own a few Rocs but have not seen them last very long. They beat up and flip over too easy. Innova may be coming out with a CFR Gator, I will try that out but I stick to a Wasp because Innova does not have a midrange that is stable enough for me in champion plastic. As for putters, I am a small bead aviar man, I throw a Omega SS in the winter since it is the same mold as an aviar, I have not thrown a wizard, but the challenger is a nice putter as well.

We have a local "pro" who has what I call a disc of the day problem. One month he hates Innova and only throws Gateway, then he blows up in a tournament, blames the disc, now he hates Gateway and loves Discraft, then he blows up in a tournament, blames it on the disc, now he hates Discraft and loves Innova, and so on and so on and so on. Do you see a pattern?

If a player is really good, they can throw any disc good. 12x World Champion Tom Monroe won a tournament using only lightning discs after the manufacturer told him they would sponsor him for that tournament if he won. Of course, he won, he is Tom Monroe.

I know a lot of guys who overall dislike Gateway, but have nothing but good things to say about Demons and the new ElementX.

You guys could all have you favorite putter and any Pro would still wipe the floor with you from under 30' using a stack of porcelein dinner plates...It does not matter which round piece of plastic you putt with, it only matters if you know how to generate a precise, consistent motion.


Anyway, back to the original topic. For golf distance I use Champion Teebirds (max weight) in almost any wind condition for a dead straight 400'. This shot still requires about 25-30' of height (this is usually an advantageous thing), so if I need something that does not require as much height or if there is too strong of a headwind I use a Z Flick (173g-174g) and can get that about as far, just not as straight. I've messed around with Orcs, Crushes, and Flashes fairly extensively but gladly give up the extra bit of D to get the predicatability of the TeeBird and Flick.

For golf distance, I use a line-drive flight w/ a Champ. Viking. Not too flippy, not too much fade. Perfert for me.

I have a 174g JK-PRO Valk. that I have owned for over a year-and-a-half. It is what you would call beat-in but not beat-up, and when I release it just right(slight anyhser, very fast), it is a very great straight driver.

longest driver would have to be the 75 orc...I can get it 500....and thats good for me....


on a good day that is...

As far as plastic goes the starfires with tourny stamps are the best plastic I have ever felt....candy is the way to go....

im 17 and ive got a pretty good arm or so im told. i have switched my main distance driver to a 175 champ orc for consistency. this gets my an easy 440' on flat ground but for truly huge shots i throw a 169 viking. i have no idea how far i can get this thing to go. i can pump it past a 440' hole (hole 16 at de laveaga) by at least 50 feet. i think the most important part of getting big distance is having good form. if it feels good, it will fly even better.
thats about all i got...lates

the most important part of getting big distance is having good form. if it feels good, it will fly even better.






hell yes.....good point.....you are very right

YEP

My farthest throws, in both golf and distance required little effort, it just felt super smooth.

The Discwing Quarter K will give all more distance. ;)

The Discwing Quarter K will give all more distance. ;)



LOL! :D

I cant wait to throw one I hear they are awsome!! :D

i was watching some videos of distance throwers and noticed that in their release both arms end up behind the rest of their body in the follow through. they look like they are in flight at this one part of their release and it just makes the disc explode out. i tried changing my form a little bit to incorperate this and got an extra 50 feet or more. surprisingly i didnt lose that much accuracy in throwing this way. if you can visualize what im talking about you should try it out sometime its crazy awesome.
later
Chris

The Discwing Quarter K will give all more distance. ;)



I threw that thing and to be nice it sucked

Well lately i've been getting high 4's and maybe a low 5 or two out of my santa-stamp proto sidewinder. 400 with it is relatively easy compared to any disc i've thrown besides the xl. I throw it out for a long smooth anhyzer or just crush it with a lot of hyzer angle and let ot turn over itself. I've also thrown xs's(with an s), wildcats(with an s), and leopards(straight) multiple times at 400+.

I can only get the aviar to go 350... :mad:

how was the grip???was it all weird......they make them up to 200 g....thats awsome!!!

I prefer more understable, shorter-winged discs for my distance shots. My personal longest throws have been with the Wildcat, Valkyrie, Talon, Cyclone, Teebird. Anything with a wing bigger than a beast flies like crap for me. My personal best throw was a distance of 478' with a 3 year old 171 Cyclone. Now this disc used to set and break records back in it's day. I think it even held a distance record over 600' which just goes to show that the discs we use have alot more potential than we realize or ever achieve. The biggest factor in a throw is the thrower. The Cyclone maxed at over 600', the Valkyrie maxed at over 800'. Who knows what these new discs are capable of. So far, the biggest distance covered by Orcs, flashes, ect. have broken the 600' barrier but not crushed the Valkyrie limit yet. It will be interesting to see what happens with the new technology.


For distance, I currently don't throw any holes over 350' so I just use my Elements. Beautiful discs! If I had to throw 400+, I would probably chose a disc like the Teebird or ORC because they take the msot direct path to it. You always have to think about control, and some discs need so much room to fly that they are not practical for disc golf. If I had measured exactly where my longest throw had gone and the exact path, I'm sure it would have been 650'+ traveled, though only about 480 ahead.

they make them up to 200 g....thats awsome!!!



...And not PDGA legal...its all about weight proportioned to diameter. Unless its lid like (IE Condor) its probably only going to be legal up to 176g (Give or take a few g)

The thing just felt wierd in my hand.......The epic felt more natural than that thing did.

I've found that drivers with fat rims (crush, flash, orc and beast) are the easiest to achieve big distance from. I personally throw a 170g orc, a 168g crush, a 167g flash and a 172 champ beast. All will go about the same distance if thrown right. The key is consistency. I find the Orc and crush to be the easiest to throw. The flash and beast flip over hard at very inopportune times. With the orc, 400' is almost guaranteed. For sheer distance in calm conditions I think the flash is the best distance disc ever.

Yup, agreed. The Flash is a long disc...even when I don't feel that I had a good rip. Calm conditions needed...or downwind.