Ok, so IL has zero 1000 rated players. We don't have nearly the courses that Iowa, Wisconsin and Michigan do. But, looking at the 04 Worlds results,17 out of 25 IL advanced players finished in the cash. MUCH better than any other state. We have some of the best up and coming players and I hope to see IL representin with some top pros in the coming years. I'm sick and tired of hearing about how great Wisconsin and Michigan disc golf is :cool:

Watch out for Shaughny Z comin up from Peoria!!! Just kidding he's an NC transplant :D We all know NC boys will spank the Midwest any day!!!! Holla!

Watch out for Shaughny Z comin up from Peoria!!! Just kidding he's an NC transplant We all know NC boys will spank the Midwest any day!!!! Holla!



Actually the top 8 Advanced player from Michigan laid the SMACK down on the top 8 Advanced players from NC so i hate to break it to you but they cant spank the midwest anyday. Even using JJs score we still won by 50 :eek:

Your pros may be HOT STUFF but the Advanced players got their aces HANDED to them at Worlds :eek:

CB, I was talking about an AM2. Just having a little fun with your thread!!! I'll rep singles anytime you get ready /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Barry Schultz 6840 WI USA 1039 M Pro
Keith Warren 13610 WI USA 1021 M Pro
Aaron Wield 10789 WI USA 1020 M Pro
Chris Heeren 18464 WI USA 1014 M Pro

All that needs to be said. Haha I had to.

For Ams

Jason Holmes 25516 WI USA 978 M Am
Daniel Sahagian 21327 WI USA 965 M Am
Dustin Honold 24275 WI USA 961 M Am
Scott Burtard 17948 WI USA 957 M Am

Hey it was my first Worlds and I wanted to be top 100 and cash which I did both. Also remember Dan you and I both took 88th. hehe. Keep in mind there wasn't that many AMs at worlds for Wisconsin but the Pro players got their aces HANDED to them at Worlds :eek:

Before on this board I have said to people, "Don't hold your breath".
Now I'm saying;
<font color="red"> GO AHEAD AND HOLD YOUR BREATH!! </font>
Cause here I come.
(I'd like to talk for others, but I don't know their plans, only mine.)

Barry Schultz 6840 WI USA 1039 M Pro
Keith Warren 13610 WI USA 1021 M Pro
Aaron Wield 10789 WI USA 1020 M Pro
Chris Heeren 18464 WI USA 1014 M Pro



3 of those guys are between 20-23 years old. Those are WI's advanced players, they just got too good, too fast and got kicked outta Am1! :) why are IL's still stuck in advanced?

Well...first off...if you have a player rating above 960...man up and play pro. And as for Daniel Sandbaggin...or I mean Daniel Sahagian...step up...Your scores from the LOD should be proof enough that you need to step up. And Pimp...I may have some Tsunami's for you...if you are interested...

Michigan dominated in Advanced Masters and you know what that makes us?

THE BAGGER CAPITAL OF THE WORLD!

Ditto if Mills is correct and we dominated in Advanced too.

Sandbagger's scores seem to be his highest ever in that tournement...he cant hold a candle to me until that...bring it on minus my extremely embarrasing worlds rounds...

Sandbaggian still plays? I haven't seen him in awhile. Chris, look at Keith's record. When I win Am World's I'm there with ya brother. But, don't you still play Adv.? :o

I try, but the PDGA frowns on it :(

Dan also lives in Dubuque ,IA. to my knowledge. Illinois and the Quad Cities are ready for any of you Michigan and Carolina $%^&talkers this year. And as a group, the mid west would smash people. East coast, West coast, Canada, Ha! I could go on all day.2005 will prove it.

Much like mens college basketball ILLINOIS rules. I forsee at least 4 top 20 finishes at Am Worlds in 2005 for the Quad Cities alone. And for you "I played crappy at Worlds" people, so did almost all of us. As a team for ADV. We'll take on anyone, anywhere.Just ask Iowa, as we { QC} are thier State Champions in the team event, and we won that without a single open player, and plan on defending that title, this time inviting chumps from all over possibly.{ That depends on Iowa}......just ask Herron, who was scared to play against QC advanced players {all of which played open, scarring Chris into the advanced division} To hell with Michigan and N.C....in 2005 its on. ILLINOIS REPRESENTS

To hell with Michigan and N.C....in 2005 its on. ILLINOIS REPRESENTS



ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was a good joke. Really funny :o

ILLINI basketball is kickin some tail fer real. I'm not gonna rip on Michigan and NC disc golf though :) They have the better players overall right now. But, IL had a stronger advanced field in 04 than any other state which shows we have some players who hopefully will become top pros one day. Look at Am Nationals which was in Michigan's back yard, 2 out of top 4 were IL players. Granted, they have both gone pro now and I guess 1 of them moved to WI :D Obviously the goal is to have the best players though, not the best advanced field. who cares about advanced?

He is true, I was too scared to play against all their advanced players playing open, I had to move down and play all the intermediate players in advanced :) . . . and I barely won that division

Just cuz its in our back yard doesnt mean anything. The course is only in for 1 week and its not possible to even go out and try to practice it because its not mowed the other 51 weeks a year. Living in MI doesnt give you an advantage over anyone at USADGC. Slater won and Romine got third though so we had 2 of the top 4 also. :D

Though Slater and Romine and Vagi all went pro so there are 3 of our top guys gone. Ill be hanging around this year and maybe next year also and we have some new guys that are up and coming. Either way it should be a fun year.

Good Luck to EVERYONE in 05 :D

No, that was the truth. Funny as you may find it. The reason we dont run our mouths off like you, Pimp, is because we still play advanced and you and backwards assed Caroliniains are the ones talking the most crap about playing ADVANCED.In the QC we have a saying..."Thats great, but your still playing advanced"...allow me to put that into perspective: If not for the Illinois Represent thread we as a group { QC} wouldnt go around running our mouth about advanced performances, or how we stack up. We wouldve just waited another year till we hit open for the QC to hit the map.I think your plate is full with the N.C. boys.We dont take on states,bro.We take on anyone.I eat it like I shovel it, so prove me wrong.Pimp.Ha.

look for me this next yr :cool:

I'm looking forward to 2005. Hopefully I can keep improving & play Open in 2006. The IL Advanced field has taken a hit this year. Butler & Blake have moved up to Open. They belong. However, many other players have moved up as well but aren't ready. Hopefully they keep playing tournaments rather than quitting. They've struggled.

Everybody struggles moving up to open. The average Pro should win advanced tournaments.If you spend 2 or more years as a top level advanced player, your just sandbagging out of fear of failure.You can only develop so much in ADV.This is what I dont get, people down south and in Carolina,and other places have so many tournaments to play and have the luxury to play year round {unlike most of the North} in good conditions yet still spend years playing advanced.Of course there are always exceptions but you can only be so good playing against the same level people.You either play well or dont.All Advanced is is where you learn consistency so you can compete with Pros.Winning in ADV tournament should be a stepping stone.Winning multiple ADV tournaments over a span of 2 years means your a sandbagger, and since everyone is fine with what JJ did {Sandbagged a Am title} you should come to expect this in the future. The people I respect are the ones that want to compete in open, but realize theyll be taking [*****] whoppins for awhile, as opposed to beating people consistenly that are under thier skill level.

I agree with some of your points but the people i'm talking about are in the 920-940 range & are not consistent in the advanced division. They moved up & they will struggle. They may or may not continue to play tourmaments if they continue to donate & finish DFL or near DFL every week.

I didn't think it was too hard to move up to open. I moved up right away after my first year, and made it through my first 16 events before I finally didn't cash :)

I didn't think it was too hard to move up to open. I moved up right away after my first year, and made it through my first 16 events before I finally didn't cash :)


Must suck to be that dang good...

Heeren still plays advanced. This is the kind of stuff Im talking about. What a Sandbagger!! Just kidding.

I totally disagree with this notion that simply moving up and playing pro will make you a better player. HOW??? 99% of my rounds are practice rounds and I can play and compete with pros everyday if I want. So don't tell me that I can't develop playing in advanced. The tournaments are a small portion of my "development". Its not like I'm playing 1020 golf in practice and suddenly 930 golf in tournaments. So, why would I want to move up to Pro and donate my money unless I can cash somewhat consistently and play competitively with at least a chance to win? Playing advanced I can have fun competing to win and get enough merchandise to sell so that I can pay for my entry fees. Until I'm at least 960-970 rated, I will play advanced for as long as it takes. Its more fun and it pays for itself. Seems like the logical choice to me. Of course, all the 950 rated pros can always call me a wuss cuz I'm "scared" to play open and whatnot. Thats fine, I'll be having fun playing a ton of advanced tourneys for free while you pick and choose a few tournaments to donate your money at.

Except that next year many pros will be coming over to Advanced to get a share of that Advanced cas.. I mean merch.

I am not suggesting you are scared, nor was I directing my comments at you. What I should have said is your only going to get so good playing advanced as the players you play against.If you are constantly around the top then you are playing against the top level advanced players, which in my opinion are low end pros, lacking consistency and CONFIDENCE.If you shoot around with pros and they beat you what is the reason most the time? Is it because they do everything better? Did they just play better? Putt better? Drive farther? I havent had the chance to play with alot of pros but when I have Ive held my own,win or lose.It doesnt really matter the rating, its how your performing now,Ive went up like 30 points this year playing only a handfull of tournaments and expect the same or more this year. I guess for me, a major problem I have is giving away shots.If you make mistakes in Advanced it doesnt cost as much as playing open when a shanked drive can cost 5- 10 spots.I played one good round at each tournament (2 at Worlds) and the rest were mediocre to poor, because I gave away strokes (short putts, poor ups,ect.) thats why I play Advanced, not because Im afraid to throw away my money.If you play with people that make every shot count and want to compete, you have to make every shot count, like while playing open.Get It?

That would be great! Don't get me wrong. I don't want the players who aren't ready for playing pro to go pro so I won't have to play them. I want the competition of the 940-950 players who went pro too soon. I'm not obsessed with getting as much merch as I can so I can sell it. I just want to have fun. If they decided to lessen the entry fees greatly for Ams and have it be trophy only, then I would certainly understand why that would help create a true "amateur" division. But if thats not going to happen, then I'm not going to play Pro until I know I am ready and won't be losing every dime I put into the pots (I don't mind losing some money, its really about having fun for me, I do have a decent job :)

Heeren still plays advanced. This is the kind of stuff Im talking about. What a Sandbagger!! Just kidding


[email protected] . . . . guess you got me there :)

that previous post was replying to chuck :)

Chase, so you didn't really explain why playing pros in tournaments will develop my game more than just playing with them everyday in practice.

Also, your statement about 1 shanked drive costing more spots in Open than in advanced is wrong. Most advanced fields are considerably larger than the open fields, so 1 shot will most likely drop you more spots in advanced than in open. Unless of course you are winning all of your tournaments by several shots :D

u r just tired of us wisconsin pros taking that northern illinois cash
hurts to speak the truth :)~

Sleepy does have a good point there! Haha so true too.

Josh

u guys have dominated us on our own courses :) but we're just glad to have some good players coming to be honest :D

many other players have moved up as well but aren't ready. Hopefully they keep playing tournaments rather than quitting. They've struggled.



True dat! I hope they keep playing, too, and not just because I want to win their entry fee!

Seriously Brett, I think I know the players that you are refering to, and I completely disagree with your assessment of their decision to play Open. This summer I talked with an aforementioned Illinois Advanced golfer who has now turned pro, and I told him that Advanced trophies are overrated. A lot of people seem to have the misconception that the Advanced division is the end-all be-all. For someone who aspires to be good, the purpose of the Advanced division is to learn how to compete and develop the basics of one's game. Once someone has an understanding of the game and the ability to execute the proper shots, he or she should step up and play Open.

I encourage some of you to go back and re-read some of the posts by Chase. A friend of mine who is a sponsored pro (sorry, I would name names, but there is already too much name dropping and sack licking on this board already!) and I agree that he seems to get it.

I'm fine with advanced players playing Open. I respect their decisions. Personally, I don't think i'm ready. I don't think the advanced division is the end all. However, if you make the jump & accept cash, you are an open player. The PDGA has made it a little easier decision this year. If your rating drops, you can always go back to Advanced. I'd like to get some background stats of players in the past. Numbers such as advanced players (in the940-950 range) who played lots of tournaments, played open, struggled, then play very few selective tournaments after or none at all. That is why I agree with the new change the PDGA has created for 2005.

Okay look...this is only my opinion.The way I see it is in order to play and compete in open you have to have confidence in your game. Thats not just saying youll perform.Pro players Ive played with do not do much of anything I cant do.They just do it more consistently.Im on the course (except recently) as much as anybody and some days I shoot lights out, some days I dont, but the days I dont Im still at scratch,where as Pros are under par still on a bad day at a regular long tee course.As far as my rating comments, I personally could care less about ratings.I played less than 15 tourneys in the last 2 years.Maybe 3 sanctioned on my home courses,and one is doubles.{ Camden Champs!!} the rest Im on the road.I shot Worlds blind.People with higher ratings also play alot more tournaments.{ at least it seems in advanced} granted they may have to erase bad rounds but if I could play 20 tourneys on the local courses I play my ratings would sky rocket.I want to play in Arizona this year but if I can pick up where I left off I might not make it.I wont be like these other Sandbaggers,playing with pros is something you should strive for, and if you can or do already I have alot of respect for you. " Everybody takes a beating".

I didn't think it was too hard to move up to open. I moved up right away after my first year, and made it through my first 16 events before I finally didn't cash :)



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I didn't think it was too hard to move up to open. I moved up right away after my first year, and made it through my first 16 events before I finally didn't cash :)



COMPLETE - TOOL



Terry beat me once, he shot -19 at the ice bowl, that's the best doubles round I've ever seen!

I once again agree with many of your opinions. The step up to pro is consistency. Why would advanced players rush into making the jump if they aren't consistent? This sport needs legitimate Pros playing open not mid 900 rated players that are advanced players. The funny thing is that many players think if you play Pro you are going to play better. I had a Michigan Pro tell me, "play Pro, you'll shave off 2 strokes per round". If that were the case, i'd play Pro right now. I've been tracking my progress vs. the open players this year. I tied for last cash at the Homie. The 3 other events I would have cashed at were on my home courses &amp; I shot some of my highest rated rounds. Take 4 strokes off at each tournament &amp; i would play open. I wish it were that easy.
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If you want to play more sanctioned tournaments at your home courses, take the officials test &amp; run them.I'm sure you can find 10 guys that have enough PDGA rated rounds to get the event rated. A D-Tier only costs $10.00 to sanction &amp; then $2.00 per player. With 10 players it would cost $3.00 per player. Advertise that then you don't have to worry about prizes or trophies.Just throwing that out there.

I just want to win some tournaments while I can. There's no guarantee that I will ever cash once I reach pro. One more year. :cool:

This is true, there are no promises that you ll cash. Im understanding what your saying about playing. I just feel that in Open, its a more patient round. You cant just get ****** and give away your next three shots and not drop 2 cards.I think that if you dont feel like you can afford to make at least 3-5 mistakes a round while playing advanced, then you obviously belong there.One more solid round per tournament (which to me is 1-2 mistakes total) and I play open.I have led advanced tournaments into the last round, had a meltdown and still secured top 4. Peoria last summer.In open, with my final nine score I would have probaly fallen out of cash.Im not a BSer, you can ask around.{ although, Its not like its worth a **** to do good in Peoria,payouts are a joke.I was SO disgusted I gave away my prizes,WTF do I need sunglasses for? I wear glasses.} But as I said before I wont continue to take peoples prizes, as soon as Im in tune, Im moving up.I will also try to convince people I feel have the skill to do the same, because to many people feel like Advanced gets to much as far as payouts.Who wants to play for a stupid trophy only? I also like to win and sell off plastic, but not at the expense of stunting my development or the development of up and coming players who get discouraged playing advanced in a field of sandbaggers. Im sorry, but I feel like JJ made that acceptable in alot of peoples eyes,that wouldnt have felt that way before. as opposed to having the confidence to bump up, now many players talk about how awesome they are, how they couldve went pro last year , but want to win am Worlds.Im not JJ, nor is anyone tabing me to walk in and win worlds, but if I played as well as he does I wouldnt bother, I want to always be challenged.

I also like to win and sell off plastic, but not at the expense of stunting my development or the development of up and coming players who get discouraged playing advanced in a field of sandbaggers. Im sorry, but I feel like JJ made that acceptable in alot of peoples eyes,that wouldnt have felt that way before. as opposed to having the confidence to bump up, now many players talk about how awesome they are, how they couldve went pro last year , but want to win am Worlds.Im not JJ, nor is anyone tabing me to walk in and win worlds, but if I played as well as he does I wouldnt bother, I want to always be challenged.



How does playing one year of advanced golf make you a sandbagger? Just curious?

I guess what it really comes down to is that people should just play in the division that they will have the most fun in. If you are a borderline pro/advanced player then you aren't going to be making a living playing tournaments anyways, so you might as well have fun. If its more fun to compete in pro then do it! If its more fun for somebody to play advanced, then let them do it and lets not give them sh*% for just wanting to have fun.

I say you can move up whenever you want. But don't try to convince others when you think they're ready. I'll move up when I want to.

tafe, move up!

tafe, move up!

I'm 1-1-1 against Tafe, which means that when playing in the same division Tafe has beat me more often than Chris has!

Tafe, move up already.

:)

Im only referring to the people I golf with and can evaluate daily. Playing one year of advanced doesnt make you a bagger. Read the rest of what I said before you turn this into a attack on JJ by me.But, I guess if you can consistently cash in open and want to stay advanced thats fine, even if it is for the biggest tournament of the year.Im not advocating anyone to play open, just saying if I played as well as he does I wouldnt have bothered playing AM and what he did is going to be repeated forever by Advanced players who could and should be playing open.And also, from what Im told hes been golfing for ten years.Just because he only played one year of advanced doesnt mean hes a advanced player.Seems to me hes a excellent golfer that until recently didnt play tournaments.This will be my 4th year playing and I played tourneys when I was learning.Some people do things differently.I never said you shouldnt have fun either. It just seems like the fun is different for us.Fun to me is getting better so I can play with the best.Fun to you seems to be playing against people that you can beat, because you dont want to walk away empty handed.Either way to each his own.

Actually you pretty much have it now Chase if you just combine those last 2 things. Fun to me is getting better so I can play with the best while I play against people I can beat so that I don't walk away empty handed. :D

It only took 3 days. Good luck this year, sure we will run into each other.

Mee-f***in'-oww!! You'll be going home with my money soon enough.

Is it OK if I post, Chase? I just started playing open. I guess I'll just take a chance.

I don't understand why you guys are so angry. Maybe you truely dislike each other and thats fine at least it's typed because I sure as hell don't want to hear it. Lets not get angry at Michigan and NC and Wisconsin.... lets battle IRAQ on the course.

Now to my point: Congrats to Pat Blake, Sean Butler and all of the Illinois dg crew. Not only did those guys show how much DG talent they have but pure class as well. Chase why don't you just calm down a little and let these guys do the talkin' through their actions. If only every state was represented as well as you guys are by them. Congrats Illinois.

All thats great but your still playing advanced, chase!!! :confused:

I agree with the subject heading, need I say more?

Thats correct,I do still play and am planning on starting the year in ADV, and Im really not angry about anything. Thats just the way I write. Sorry to offend.I think you all are reading into this wrong. I dont brag about advanced accomplishments.Im proud to be from Illinois and to be a Illinois ADV player, I feel in the QC alone we have major talent on the horizon, and have played with many of these posters AND AM NOT trying to offend any of them.I dont think I know Butler but do know Blake and if anyone was ready it was him. I really admire his ability and sportsmanship.All I was expressing was that playing in pro will make your shots count more, thus developing you into a better player. Thats all.It seems the pro players on this thread have understood where I was coming from, its only the advanced players who are offended.I hope that Illinois dominates events this year, be it players here in the QC {more than likely} or elsewhere, its all good.

Play whatever you feel comfortable in not everyone is a pro just like in amateur golf some people are just blessed with more talent so some have to practice more so it should not take you away from what you love doing play what ever you want u will know when to move up

Just remember, the sooner everyone moves pro, the bigger the pro purse will be :)

Not always true, alot of players that get pastthe advance level end up not playing in the pro events. :(

well, then I guess the pro purse stays the same

when i lived in wisconsin i didnt hear too many stories about fi.. bears fans comin up to cheeseville and takin many contests. I have been gone for a while tho...

I hate the Bears.

not to many fib pro players come to wisconsin unless its doubles its like they are scared or something

well, the fear may not be baseless

Yes, I agree, I have never seen any of the IL guys come up for a WI tournament except Mad City Open. When I go down there to play there always seems to be a few WI guys trying to win some of their $$

Id love to make some Northern tourneys, but Im poor and have to bum rides...maybe this year though, heard the courses were excellent.

I can not speak for the rest of the Illinois pros, but I stay away from Wisconsin because I do not care to hear Chris and Keith constantly tell each other how good they are. Truth be told, I can think of several Wisconsin pros who would rather not witness the Warren &amp; Heeren love fest on a weekly basis.

IL and WI get along so well :)

That is the TRUE holiday spirit.

BURN!!!!!! He said LoveFest.