I finally got ahold of one of these to try, a 174 Z Flick. It is a heavily weighted plastic, sort of like the first full weight Z Talons were made with, but instead of adding the weighting agent to the original stiff Z plastic, this is like the Flash plastic + weighting agent. The result is a very flexible, somewhat grippy material. I have to question the durability of this plastic just because of the way it feels, but I guess only time will tell that one.

Flightwise the Z Flick is quite a unique disc amoung the lineups of the major two manufacturers. It is the speed king for starters, a whole step faster than the whole Orc, Crush, Flash family of distance drivers. It also has a rather unique flight, comparable to a couple of other current discs that I would classify as overstable/straight flyers such as the Talon and the Eagle. However it does have a longer straight portion of its flight than either of these and is faster, which means it is considerable longer than either of these. It has so little glide that if you keep your shot low very true flying straight shots are possible. The fade comes sharp and fast, but so late that it does not result in much turn. When I throw it correctly the flight pattern resembles a Z Buzz on steriods.

One thing to note is that this disc is more easily compared with a Gateway disc than any other Innova or Discraft. I also like it better than the E Spirit and H Illusion I have tested. The Flick flies fairly similar to the Illusion, but it seemed faster and longer than the H Illusions I tried and I much prefer the plastic. I have not seen an E Illusion...

What color did you get because my Red 174 Z Flick when i first got it did NOTING BUT HYZER. I would have to roll my wrist very hard to get this thing to fly straight for any amount of distance at first. This plastic DOES and i repeat DOES beat up like the earl Talons. However i like the fact that it beats up because it was REALLY REALLY overstable at first and now it has been tamed a little by the trees i have hit. This is my go to forehand disc and i throw some skips and other trick shots with it but all in all i think to more overstable then a Z Pred but less stable then a Z Extreme.


When I throw it correctly the flight pattern resembles a Z Buzz on steriods.



I really dont know about this one. I throw Z BUZZZs as my main midrange and my 174 Z Flick flies absolutely NOTHING like my BUZZZs :confused: What kind of flight pattern are you talking about???

I understand what you're saying. It reminds me of an Epic. The sidearm or backhand MOVES out there in a straight line until...the brakes are turned on and it flexes. And it flexes so hard that it just turns and drops. I'll use it when somebody "eh-EHM" (LOUD clearing sound) gives them to me to throw for them. :D Until then it's just too shallow. :(

Until then it's just too shallow.



Thats funny you dont like them because they are shallow and i LOVE them because they are shallow. Its my MONEY forehand disc :D

The Flick flies fairly similar to the Illusion, but it seemed faster... than the H Illusions ...



Blasphemy!!!!

;)

My Z Flick is pumpkin orange. I throw it flat and it has about the same stability as a Champion Teebird, but much faster with none of the glide. My overstable disc is a Z predator. That disc I have to throw with a little annie just to keep it out there for a little while, not the Flick though, it flies flat with relative ease.

Ok, now for the Buzz comparison....If you throw the Buzz as your main mid, I'll assume you have found the right weight for your throw so that when released flat the disc flies dead on its line for about 90-95% of its flight and then cuts left at the end at about a 90 degree angle, resulting in a very straight, point to point throw. For example if I want to throw the Buzz 320' on a straight line I know exactly how much power to use to make the Buzz travel straight at the target, where it pretty much dies and falls the ground when it gets there. This is a contrast to say a Roc or a Wasp, because those discs have more of a glide component in their flight paths and get extra distance from the fade portions of their flight. Like the Buzz, the Z FLick gets all of its distance from the straight portion of the flight and then fades right down the ground. The Z Predator then is more like a Roc or Wasp, getting extra D on the fade/and skip forward. I hope this helps.

Hmm because i throw a Z Tsunami and a Pre for my OVERSTABLE disc too and my Flick atleast i think its more over stable then both the Tsunami and the Z Pred???

Oh well it works for what i use it for :D Plus its the only disc i can throw a good forehand with :D

Z preds seem to hyzer the whole flight, while the Flick just seems to have that hard hyzer at the end. This is only when the disc is thrown hard and flat.

I've started to beat up(not on purpose) a couple of Flicks and they still seem to have their original flight. I did have a worn 168 Flick that I was able to turn over into a head wind.

Plus its the only disc i can throw a good forehand with



The only DISCRAFT disc you can FH with. :eek:

I tested the 150 class Flicks and the max weight Flicks. The light Flicks were too understable and the heavy Flicks were too overstable for my needs. Then I tried a 169 gr. Flick. It was superb. The next day I bought a box of them.

I drive forehand and to me a 169 candy Flick flies comparably to a max weight FX Firebird or a max weight first run Proline Monster (my primary drivers). My early experience with the Mid-weight Flicks is that they beat up faster than the Firebirds or Monsters as the plastic seems to be more of a candy/dx blend than the Firebirds or Monsters, (which seem to be more pure candy and therefore have greater resistant to abuse).

The faster beat -in phase is not neccesarily a disadvantage as the long range anhyzer drive is the eventual goal of the perfectly beat -in driver -and the most elusive shot in the game to master.

The Firebirds and Monsters seem to do a better job of fighting a tough headwind and the Flicks seem to do a better job on tight controlled tunnel shots.

The Flicks are so flat and narrow they feel like natural forehand discs. They have found a spot in the bag. They are the best forehand disc Discraft has created since the silver X-Clones.

Mark Ellis

The Flicks are so flat and narrow they feel like natural forehand discs. They have found a spot in the bag. They are the best forehand disc Discraft has created since the silver X-Clones.



Really? I'm a big fan of Discraft drivers for forehand. At various times, I throw:

Crush � Long bombs, little to no headwind.

Flash � Even longer bombs, with tailwind. Worked great until I griplocked it � backhand! � into the ocean.

X/Z Talon � I love the shallow rim. Very versatile � it's what I throw when I'm not sure what to throw.

X Predator � Just got this one. It's a little domey for my hand, but man, what a sweet flight. Rewards finesse and power equally. Makes me want a Tsunami.

150 Flick � "Wow, that hole is shorter than it looks �"

Z Xtreme � Because sometimes, you just want something overstable. Thrown properly, I think this thing would cut a straight line through a tornado.

The only thing Discraft doesn't have, at least that I've found, is something comparable to the Monster. So I carry one of those too.

From the sound of it, these heavier Flicks are quite different from the 150 version. More like a really fast Monster?

The Z Predator is actually my favorite forehand driver. I have a hard time getting a tight grip on a flat disc, so I prefer the Predator's dome. That being said, even with a grip that does not feel all that secure the Flick flies really well forehand, I just can't get all my power into it.

From the sound of it, these heavier Flicks are quite different from the 150 version. More like a really fast Monster?



My 174g Flick is considerably less overstable than the Monster. More like a longer Talon or FL Firebird. In fact, my 174g Flick flies more or less like the 150g I threw, just with the added stability/penetration one would expect when adding 24g to a mold.

Flick = Buzzz on flight path!!!!????? WHAT!!

Buzzz is likely my favorite mid range disc. Brand new they will hold any line with MINIMAL FADE. Thrown flat with no wind I think the most fade I got off the Buzzz ended up 5 degrees off line from the tee box. Wasp is definatly way more overstable then the Buzzz, I have seen that take a 90 degree turn left.

On the Flick, I rotate it with my champion monster, those discs are very comparable in stability but the Flick is much faster. I am questionable on the durablilty of the plastic. And with a good big high anhyzer release you can get a long s-curve out of it and some considerable distance. I have only gotten mine 380 vs 430-450 with Beasts/Orcs.

But I think if they made it in their more durable regular Z plastic it will be an AWSOME disc.

I've been using my 150 flick regularly since I first got it. It's one of my favourite discs. At first it went long and straight with a big turn at the end. And it was great into a headwind.

Now thats it's beaten in, it definitely turns over a little. Seems to have a pretty nice S path, which as was mentioned earlier is the goal.

This disc is flying great right now, it's more reliable than my beat up beast, which turns over and doesn't seem to come back anymore. Although I'm now in need of a new Flick to make those hard turns.

After field testing my max weight Z Flicks I must admit that it's the best off the rack disc for a power forehand throw ever. It is way faster than my Monsters (and I'm a huge Monster fan). The other problem that it solves for me is now I don't have to search though a stack of Monsters to find the heaviest and flattest ones. These are perfect right out of the box. I threw one this evening 380 ft. It was about 47 degrees, damp, on grass (no skip) and I wasn't really warmed up. The stability rating should be a 2.5 or 3. Certainly not a 2. The only drawback is that I hate the name.

Its a flick for a flick and you can always change it real fast with a sharpie to something different FLICK :eek:

I know some players call a forehand a Flick. I don't like the name because it doesn't sound athletic. I would prefer forehand and backhand to decribe throws. The Flick is a move usually associated with the index finger and thumb to take care of bugs.

What is worst then a disc called "Flick", Discraft calling the Ace Race disc "Glide". I have a better name for it, how about "El Flippo"

A little Cascade in the dishwasher will take the names off your discs.

I like the 174 Flick, I just don't have a use for it on our course,so it sits in my box-o-spares in my trunk.

A little Cascade in the dishwasher will take the names off your discs



Just make sure you do this before you learn the disc because unless you wash it in COLD WATER ONLY it will come out of the washer more stable then when it went in :eek:

What is worst then a disc called "Flick", Discraft calling the Ace Race disc "Glide". I have a better name for it, how about "El Flippo"



I will agree with you there but it a great disc for newbies and NOODLE ARMS. They already have a FULL line of discs for the big arm advanced competitor and touring pros. So whats wrong with some new discs that maybe only the newbies and noodle arms will enjoy. I know a **** good pro out here who throws a BREEZE :eek:

What is worst then a disc called "Flick", Discraft calling the Ace Race disc "Glide". I have a better name for it, how about "El Flippo"



I will agree with you there but it a great disc for newbies and NOODLE ARMS. They already have a FULL line of discs for the big arm advanced competitor and touring pros. So whats wrong with some new discs that maybe only the newbies and noodle arms will enjoy. I know a **** good pro out here who throws a BREEZE :eek:



Oh I agree completely, I like the Glide when its brand new, but after a couple of trees it is just too flippy for me. We have a Hall of Fame Grand Master here that loves his Glide, of course he could probably still beat everyone out here with an 86 softie.

No, but it is a good thing for manufacturers to promote to new players, those types of understable discs will only encourage them to play more.

About the dishwasher, I ended up using hot water without the heated dry. It made my first Crush less stable, but created more fade, it was wild. Also I found that if you wash DX plastic with a sponge and Dawn dish soap enough. The polishing effect of the sponge and soap make the DX feel just like the old SE plastic! And they look cool as well, I get weird looks on the course when I pull out my "shiny" DX Aviar.

A little Cascade in the dishwasher will take the names off your discs



Just make sure you do this before you learn the disc because unless you wash it in COLD WATER ONLY it will come out of the washer more stable then when it went in :eek:



Just what is needed- a more overstable Flick :D

I heard the quarter k was a good flick disc :D

microso.... I mean innova don't like overseas comp

I've noticed that people are so put off by my Buzzz/Flick comparison that it has bled onto other threads....All I was trying to illustrate was that when the Flick is thrown hard it fades very late in its flight, and that it has great resistance to high speed turn relative to its fade. In other words, when I throw the Flick 400' it flies dead straight for 370-380', so it does not have an opportunity to fade much.

I can't believe there is not more buzz about this disc, it is amazing! In my opinion this is the best of the wide-rimmed discs to come out in premium plastic. It is super-long, yet with the predictability of a TeeBird, Eagle, Talon-type disc. I don't know if the 150 class proto turned a lot of power players off this disc or what, but this thing IS the disc I've been dreaming ever since the latest evolution of speed and wide rims began....I can torque this disc as hard as I can nice and flat and BOOM! It never turns and gets away from me, and it never stalls and fades early. If I release it with a touch of hyzer accidentally, it still flips up and flies straight for most the flight. If I accidentally give it a touch of anhyzer, it flies straight out on that line and still comes back for a huge "S". I throw the latest evolution of the Champion Teebird as my main driver, and with the Z Flick there was no learning curve whatsoever. Where I am at in terms of snap/armspeed I find these discs to be almost identical in terms of resistance to high speed turn when thrown flat.

So Pimp....How are you not freaking out about this disc? For me, this is Discraft's most significant breakthrough since they came out with the Buzzz a year ago...As of now Innova has nothing to compete with the Flick (except maybe a CE FL).

I've got blue flicks in three weights (150 166 174) and am having fun throwing them this winter.

Because the flicks are about the flattest/sharpest disc out there, there is going to be a lot of controversy about how it flies. A lot of the controversy is because there are so many ways to throw a disc and so many variables in mung/hyzer/Zs/etc when a disc is released.

When people are talking about how a buzz/roc flies, there's not so much controversy, because the different variables in people's throw don't make a huge difference in a fat disc. But when you get to sharper/flatter discs, different techniques can result in wildly different flight patterns on the same disc.

So there will be more and more head scratching by golfers looking at disc reviews for sharp discs.

For example, a nose-up low-Z hyzer thrower will wonder why he can throw a valkyrie 450 but can't even throw a flick 300, let alone FLIP IT! And his buddy, who throws high-Z nose-down throws about 300 will complain that it isn't stable enough; that it flies just like his buzz for most of the flight. So more and more people will just have to throw discs to see how it works for them, rather than rely on discussion board reviews.

Also I should mention that the sharper/flatter these discs get, the more they behave like aerobies.

So Pimp....How are you not freaking out about this disc? For me, this is Discraft's most significant breakthrough since they came out with the Buzzz a year ago...As of now Innova has nothing to compete with the Flick (except maybe a CE FL).



I have one 174 and am about to put a 170 in there. I just use this disc for 4hands and overstable drives. I like my Tsunamis and Preds to much to switch. I do love the flicks though. They are VERY predictable. I love them. I finally have a disc i can throw a good 4hand with. Before this disc i could never get a smooth clean and good release now i can get a 4hand out over 350 which is HUGE for my forehand. I can also throw pretty controled to about 300. It will NEVER leave my bag ever :D

Discraft has done it again. Came out with a disc that INNOVA has NO MATCH FOR. The BUZZZ now the Flick.

Did i mention i LOVE Discraft :D

I will agree with you there but it a great disc for newbies and NOODLE ARMS. They already have a FULL line of discs for the big arm advanced competitor and touring pros. So whats wrong with some new discs that maybe only the newbies and noodle arms will enjoy. I know a **** good pro out here who throws a BREEZE



haha funny haha. the Glide is a great sub-stable midrange. if its too flippy for ya then youre giving it insufficient rotations or you are throwing it too fast. it'll go 250' easy and 300'+ without too much trouble - but you need to spin it good and let it take its time getting there! i'm not the weakest arm around by any stretch, and not a newbie.

you guys are funny... dissing the discs while talking about the kickazz pros and grand masters who use them! hmmmm... think it thru!

you guys are funny... dissing the discs while talking about the kickazz pros and grand masters who use them! hmmmm... think it thru!



Maybe it works for how they throw. For me the Glide is horrible but for a future Girlfriend of mine it may be GREAT. Hell Barry and Kenny and Schweby throw Innova and i think thats crappy. That doesnt mean they are cool *** dudes and kickazz golfers it just means that i like something different then they do. They are still AWESOME pros and cool guys they just play on the DARK SIDE of the force :D But in their opinion Cam and Timmy Gill prolly play for the DARK SIDE.

The glide for me has no use. I just use my light beat up Z BUZZZ for what a glide might do brand new :D

Just got a frist run 172 yello flick. After throwing I think this could be a promising disc, besides my monster it is the only disc i have tried that i can't turn over thowing front hand, wich is nice. I it gives me a nice s curve and fall about straight. As for the plastic it already has a nick in it after 18 so I would agree with it not beint too durable.