I was wondering what everyones opinion of the collectibility of the CE plastics. I already know of the order they were discontinued, but just wanted to know if people think they will hold their value or not. Seems everyone has a bunch horded away, just look at Eagles. Just looking for your thoughts on the subject. May the birdies fly.

Jon Taylor

They seem to have held their ground in price, some molds have flattened out. I would prefer to own an original Eagle over an CE disc.

I think the CE Eagles were the last ones to sell completely out.

In 2003 I bought 6 from a vendor for $15 a piece, when Firebirds, Teebirds, and Valkyries were already going for $30+.

I know I'm helping the value go up, as I throw the CE I have. Y'all can thank me later. :)

I dont' think they are worth that much, but I will give you five bucks each for all the new ones you have. ;)

Heres my 2c ,I am an avid disc golfer,I prefer the CE line for throwing which also led to my collecting addiction.If I see a disc I want I will pay and I think their is all kinds of people out there like this.
Disc Golf is growing meanwhile the CE is drying up.It is simple supply and demand. Lets face it,everyone should try some of these drivers :cool:

Yeah nice try dm4, would you take five bucks for your new ones. I wasnt born yesterday. With more and more golfers starting everyday and the CE no longer being made, I think they should hold their price. The teebirds went first, followed by valks, then firechickens, then leopards, then Eagles. Thats why everyone has a ton of Eagles and Leopards, and theyre still affordable. I cant believe the price of some of these discs. I love to throw the CE, but really hate when I lose one. And of course a big thanks to Tbender for driving the prices up.(not sarcastic) I wonder if there is a limit to how high they will go. If they get to high it`ll become insanity to actually use them. I still know people that have a bag full of first runs they like to use. Its pretty crazy, you look at their bag and drool, a sea of red. Anyway anyone else have any opions? And welcome to posting Chuckylee.

I know someone with some CE Eagles, Leopards, Firebirds, and Valkyries. If you were selling them what price would you ask?

I would go to ebay to figure out what they`re worth. If he wants to sell them, pm me with a list of what he has (color, weights) Im interested. Oh yeah since Im in Japan Im looking for any 150 ce anyone has.

pm

Well eBay is not a great place either to gauge prices. It all depends on the amount of people that are on and what�s hot or not, etc.

I have seen certain discs sell for $60 to $75 and then only for $30 to $45. It depends on the demand and the volume of people on. Ebay is never a valid place to gauge prices on. Example: 10X KC Roc sold for $38 one week and 4 days later one sold for $21. They were both the same disc and weight. Another example: Taffy CE FX Firebird sold for $62 one week and 5 days later same disc sold for $35. These examples are facts of how ebay pricing is never accurate.

Josh

These examples are facts of how ebay pricing is never accurate.

Quite the contrary: the fact that the winning bidder pays the amount s/he bid on an item proves that the prices areaccurate; the fact that the winning bid on identical items may vary simply demonstrates that prices are not uniform.

yeah, I agree with you, you can not count on e-bay!!! I bought a 1st run CE Eagle for 30.00 and 2 weeks later, get 2 brand new CE Eagles for 35.00. All discs were brand new, never been thrown. I bought a used 150 class, Valkyrie, that claimed to have been thrown only once, but when I got it, it was in extremely used condition, but turned out to be the best roller disc that I have in my bag.... So you have to be cautious on who you do business with and always be on the look-out for the shady ones...CE plastic is always on demand, you just have to know how much you are willing to pay for it...

Let me clarify. The fact remains the same; the no reserve auctions for CE usually fluctuate in price. That is what I said the first time. Sorry if you didn�t understand that. So whatever fore was trying to point out is not what I was talking about.

[CE plastic is always on demand, you just have to know how much you are willing to pay for it...

[/QUOTE] POINT MADE
:eek:

And your point is? lol

Hey guys. Yes prices fluctuate on ebay but you have to take into effect the ending time of items and how many people can bid at last minute on it. If it ends at four in the morning, theres probably not going to be much bidding action at last minute. Its all simple supply and demand. The real question is how much demand. I believe ( and trying to convince my wife so I can buy more) the demand will be rising as more newbies get into golf and want CE. We all know CE rocks. Its near bulletproof compared to new crap. I just saw a CE first run valk go for over a bill, and have you seen 2oo1 ce rocs. Man I wish I bought both six months ago. By the way Josh what happened with that beautiful FX from senoir Adam, hope you didnt give up hounding him. And I also hope youre throwing that other firechicken you dyed that incredle cool person sent to you. Man that kind of restores your faith in human kind when you start to lose it from the bone smoker Adam aka dragthelake ding dong. Anyway thanks for the input people. Sooooo any 150 ces out there want some air time in Japan?

150 CE Valkeries interest you?
PM me.

So whatever fore was trying to point out is not what I was talking about.

It is, however, very much to the point of what you wrote, as opposed to what you meant. :)

Prices on e-bay are a 100% accurate reflection of the price a specific individual is willing to pay for a specific disc at a specific point in time. That price, however, does not necessarily reflect the amount that bidders in general are willing to pay for similar discs, hence, the variation in the amount of winning bids between similar items. Therefore, while e-bay prices may be used with 100% confidence to determine what people have paid in the past for a given disc, they are not necessarily a reliable indicator of the current or future fair market value of similar discs.

Glad you explained what I said over again with longer words. huh.. me cave man.... :p

Just curious, are you a PDGA member? If so what do you think about the Pro playing Am rule?

Josh, you must not have heard the Legend of the Wetsuit Minister. Felix is one of disc golf's volunteers. Look for him somewhere in a pond or creek at a PDGA event in NC but only on Saturdays.

Cool!! Volunteers Rock!! Thanks for helping out Felix. You guys work really hard running around chasing our discs. I for sure know the volunteers at this year Worlds did. They did an awesome job!! Keep up the great work!! We need more volunteers like Felix at our events!!

I just like reading what Felix has to write on the mess bored. If I agree or disagree, I know that he has at least checked the spelling and grammar. :D

Hey what you guys talking about? What is the pro playing am rule? And oh yeah nice thread drift. :p While were drifting whats the member rating thing and is my "lurker" name associated with my post count?

Jon

fossil:

I am interested in CE 150 Valks. I'd say VERY interested, but then you might jack up the price! :D

PM me if you can, and we'll dither.

P.S.
I have a 169g. CE Valkyrie 'Ghost' disc directly from Innova.
Never hotstamped. Might be first run, but I don't have the expertise to judge. Looks as though it might have been thrown once and I'd be willing to talk trade.

Sorry guys. I hadn't looked closely at the weights for some time. Most are 151 - 157.
I did find a ce valk & a ce leopard with original weight marking of 150. (marked 150 at factory)
But on an old garage sale Ohaus Cent o Gram 311 quad beam the valk came in at 150.8 and the leopard at 151.6 today.
The test weight of 147.5 registers 147.58
The test weight of 295.0 registers 295.13
So the valk may be ok but the leo ???
Since 150 really matters in Japan, I wanted to be as accurate as I can.

I just like reading what Felix has to write on the mess bored. If I agree or disagree, I know that he has at least checked the spelling and grammar. :D



He doesn't do that. He is just smart.

So what do you all think is the most collectable CE out there? Whats the most expensive disc youve seen?

I've seen some first run Valkyrie Champion Star stamps go for over $200. 2001 CE Roc's going for near / over $200. I prefer Night Flyers and Eagle's, which are way under valued compared to these CE discs.

This is an easy one. It's a tie. 2001 Zonedriven Clear CE ROC from the 2001 Southeatern Classic or one of the run of 50 or so "Special Edition" Teebirds. These were the first attempt at Champion Edition plastic and predate anything CE. The true protos.

Last offer for my 2001 clear was around $450.

Last offer for my 2001 clear was around $450



Whoa!!! I could have had one of those too but me, myself, would not even THINK of paying that much for a disc.

Id say the CE Valks are getting pretty pricey along with the 2001 Roc, both of which I have a "little" stockpile of....

Rick, which Teebirds are you talking about? I have some old SE TLs that are white with Innova bar stamp that are in CE plastic and predate the CE line. My friend had a red/pink one but lost it, and Im sure his was older than mine.Thanks

I have a clear 01 with the black Zonedriven stamp.

I also have a yellow 01 with a Zonedriven ghost stamp.

:) :) :)

Rick, what is the weight of your clear 01?

Uh-oh, kid roc is in the discussion. hide any roc u don't want to sell as he somehow ends up with every cool roc available.

:D

Rick, which Teebirds are you talking about?



They aren't SEs, they were being called "Chameleons" at the 2000 Worlds FlyMart in Michigan, and the claim was that they only had 20 to sell there. They were clear Teebirds made of straight candy.

I had one in my hands, and handed it back thinking, "Twenty dollars is a lot for a disc".

D'oh! What a maroon....

At the 2001 AM Worlds I had a whole stack of 25 180 CE Rocs in my hands IF ONLY I had known???? :confused: I did however pick out one perfect 180 no dimples and a 177 no dimples. When I think back it makes me want to cry :(

Go ahead it will make you feel better. :p And I guess I figured out why they call him kid roc, i was wondering. Anyway Ive been surprised at the price on first run orcs too. Just goes to show the value comes from people wishing they could redo the past and buy one. Makes me really want a 2001 ce roc when I could have gotten them for $100. But I thought, WOW hundred for a disc is outrageous. Im sure you all can sympathize with that.

How can you tell it's a first run Orc? I bought a stack the day they were released, and they look no different than ones I bought recently. Thx

Yeah, a friend of mine bought 5 of those 2001 rocs and I thought he was CRAZY for spending 125$ on discs (they were 25$ then). I wish I had gotten more than the two I got...

The pure "CANDY" SE teebirds were all ice clear if I remember correctly and were only available at worlds like Rhett said. It was Dave's first time experimenting with the new Candy plastic.

As for the $450 offer for the clear 2001. Out of the 40 that were made 20 were ghost stamped and the other 20 had a black stamp. All had bubbles in the rim. The trick was finding the ones with the least amount of bubbles. There was 1 with only 1 bubble, and that belongs to a big ROC collector. The 1 I have only had 6 bubbles. All of the rest had 8 or more bubbles.

Funny thing is. Paul Piper, Kyle Maute "Quadshocks" and myself were there and popped open the case of these things. We fondled everyone of them before putting them back in the case. If only I'd know now..... I would have offered Nature boy a grand right there.

Hindsight

I'll post a pic of the Teebird in a little bit.

hey flynvegas, they are supposed to domey. whats up with buying a box of discs? Is there a discount or something for that many. Just wondering, maybe Ill buy a box of firechickens.

wasn't there a small number of opaque red 01 rocs made? that would be the highly rare disc i would want.

I heard there was about 50 of 1st run CE Red Rocs made. The same 1st run red like the rest of the line. They had nothing to do with the USDGC. I have heard this now about 30 times from others. It could be true. If it is I would say they would be about $750 to $1000 each. Since there was only 50 made I heard.

Another rare one would be the run of 1st run discs that had a dragon stamp. My buddy has a 1st run red CE Valkyrie with such stamp and he throws it. lol

I heard there was about 50 of 1st run CE Red Rocs made. The same 1st run red like the rest of the line. They had nothing to do with the USDGC.

I'm fairly certain that your informant was partially wrong. Twice in 2003, I retrieved red '01 CE Rocs (two different ones) from the pond at Cedar Hills during a tournament, one of which had a ZoneDriven ghost stamp, the other having a black "One Division, One Champion" hotstamp. (I own at least one CE Roc from every year, and the plastic and flatness of the '01s is distinctive enough that I would have recognized them as '01s, even had the owners not told me what I was retrieving.)

Also, before the Big Valley Challenge earlier this year, I played a practice round with the owner of a red '01 CE Roc in his bag (the third I've handled) that also had a "One Division, One Champion" hotstamp.

alright , then does anyone know the TLs Im talking about? Mine is white {not clear} and is pure CE.I bought it long before the public release of 1st run CE stuff. To the best of my knowledge they were made in red, white, and possibly green.They have the same logo as SE Teebirds {TL} and mine is better and more durable than any disc Ive ever owned.Its well used but could easily be sold slightly used.Thats how durable the plastic is.Thank you to whomever responds.

Those TL's are stiff and resemble CE more than SE right? Because I believe the SE TL's were more taffy/grippy. I too had a few of these super durable and stiff TL's. I was like are these CE? I don't know for sure.

I do remember hearing some had the Zonedriven Stamp, but not the one division stamp. That would be cool. What I heard was when they ran the 1st run Ce red plastic they did run 50 or so of the Rocs. Regardless they would be super rare. If you have one Felix, I would hold onto that one for dear life. It has to be worth $500 to $1000. It has to suck for the guy who lost it. That's why people have to put there name on it. Good find!!

Red 2001 CE ROCS. Yes there were a few made, not sure on the exact number but 50 seems high. As far as I know almost all of them had the one division stamp and they were all X outs. After talking to numerous people no one is sure about a ZD stamp, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

There are a few 2001 CE ROCS floating or hanging around that blow the top off of collectability.

1 - 2001 CE ROC with the big brid ROC stamp
1 - 2001 CE ROC with a miniature Disclanding stamp :D
I've seen these 2 plus I've heard tales of 1 to 2 blank ones that may in circulation.

There are CE ROCS from every year that are limited that you don't usually hear about.

2002 - There was a small batch made with the One Division stamp on top and the Innova ROC bottom stamp.

2003 and 2004 - It was about the colors. There were only a dozen or so from each year that were white ice crystal clear and a few more unique colors like black cherry.

2005 - There were about 10, flat top, dark, opaque red max weights and only 3, flat top, white opaque max weights. The rest were all clear and domey. The whtes were flatter and cloudier but with the exception of the 3 max, the heaviest you found were 177 and below. There were also 2 white ice clears from this years 1st batch.

As for a $1000 disc in the collectors market. It doesn't exist yet. I have seen a bag though that may be the most expensive bag of discs ever used in a tournament at this years USDGC. Using Ebay values this bag totaled a whopping worth of around $2100. Bag was a Revolution with 16 highly sought after discs in it including 2 of the RED 2001 CE ROCS.

If there is a $1000 dgolf disc then it is still in the hands or bag of our beloved DD.

I remember a thread quite a while ago that detailed all the different 2001's. I don't remember them all, but...
There were Zonedriven stamps. Can't say how many, but I have seen and felt 2 Clear ghost-stamped "Zonedriven" 01's. I have also heard of yellows with a ghost "Zonedriven" and just black Zonedriven stamps. The man to ask is the NatureBoy, Billy Crump. He opened THE box at the SEC. There was a blank or two floating around as well.

Well I don't have those ce rocs but my bag with discs would total $550 based on ebay prices. No where near that $2100 haha, but it's a start! hehe.

Wish I had a red '01. but I returned them to their owners.

I've heard the number of 50 red '01s tossed around, but the owner of one of the '01s I retrieved says the number was 30. (FWIW, I'm inclined to believe his number since he bought 5 of them.)

Tafe, I've got you beat. I've seen and felt the 2 clear and 1 yellow ghost-stamped ZD O1s. Also seen a mini DL-stamped one. :)

How many have seen the 2003 big bird stamp with CE ROC stamped in the gap between the feathers of the right wing?

Does anyone know how many first run ce valks were produced? How about how many red compared to blue? How about the other discs like tbirds, firebirds, eagles, and leopards? Also any else here of a couple yellow first runs, or were they all red and blue? Maybe this should be in the ask Dave post? I was gonna spend a few hours today reading those 236 pages of posts, lol.

Tafe is close but not quite on the money with the clear 2001's.

We were sitting at Renny. We meaning Paul Piper, Joe Szafran, Daivd Bundy, Billy Crump, Kyle Maute and myself when Billy got the call that the Merch. for the SEC was on it's way. Bill Jacobson pulled into the parking lot 15 minutes later with the Innova trailer in tow. Once parked Billy started going through the items. He told Paul, Kyle and Myself to open the one case as he had secured some special ROCS for the event. We did. There they were, 40 of the clearest CE discs you've ever seen. We then proceeded to fondle everyone of them and even sat a few on the grass to see how they would camo themselves. No big deal at the time. Sure they were pretty but we were all thinking of how they would throw rather than how they would pay our future kid's college tuitions.

There were no blank ones in that batch. From what i am to understand the 1 or 2 blank ones were of the green variety.
It was a couple of weeks later that I saw my first of the Red ones.

As for the 1 clear with the one bubble. That ended up in Paul's hands. He has since sold it to a well known ROC collector. This same collector also has the majority of the Red ones as well as other ROCS and stuff that would keep most of us in a state of bliss for some time.

The run #'s on the ghost stamped green ones are around 20 from what I am to understand after conferring with some folks.

rick,

what about the clear "flawless" one ???? :)

mmmmmm redroc redroc

<font color="red">RED </font> ,Yeah!

Hey SD, thrown any red '01s in any ponds lately? :p

Anyone know how hard 1rst run CE aviars are to find, I LOVE to throw them and have quite a few but was just curious...

Also, what exactly is the difference between 1rst and later run Valks, I have a few in reserve and I DO notice some are FLAT and some are not, just curious which ones are earlier and later runs...

Assuming you are talking about CE Valks...

Flat-tops are the 2nd run and don't fly like Valks at all. A great disc, but not really a Valk. :) I had a teal 157g one that I would throw into any headwind. (I'm in SoCal, make that "any head-breeze".)

1st runs have a lot of flashing on the edges.

4th runs are a little flippier but that makes them more like the old Pink Cyclones: easier to get that long S-curve flight for max distance.

Yeah, Im talking about CE Valks...

thanks for clarifying, I was wondering what run I had in my bag and in reserve. BTW, the flatheads DEF. dont fly like a Valk. I love them (both of them) but they fly more like CE Eagles to me.... VERY OVERstable.

I was also wondering about the CE Aviars. Mainly, do most of you collector's consider a CE Aviar and a 1st run Q Omega to be the same thing? And if so, what are the color distributions like on these? Namely, how rare is HOT pink? Thanks.
Yeah Rick, I wasn't there, but I remember when Dave and Kyle got back. It's SO funny how we had NO clue what we were looking at.

I've only seen yellow CE Aviars.

The 1st run of the CE Aviar was yellow and produced for the KC Wide Open, The Texas 10 and a tourney in Washington I believe - can't recall the tourney name.

There's gold as well. I have a pink Q Omega.

They had yellow CE Aviars at the Vegas Halloween Tournament.

1st runs???

I am sure they have produced Yellow since then.

I'm not sure, they were here in Sept. of 2000 I believe. They also had those Ghost stamp Cyclones there. Wish I would have gotten more Aviars and less Cyclones.

I have 2 yellow CE Aviars. 1 is from the Nashville Am Worlds and the other has a BHMO stamp.

Rick, I checked my clear 01 and it has 2 small bubbles in the rim.

Which is more valuable, the clear 01 or the yellow with the Zonedriven ghost stamp?

One Yellow CE Aviar here, from Houston Worlds 2002. I've thought it was 1st run, but I don't know for sure...

Tony - do you know what year Texas 10 the CE Aviar came from? I was thinking 2001 but not sure

I think that's correct. Don't know for sure because I wasn't playing then.

There has only been one run of CE Aviars. My original question still hasn't been answered though.
IS A CE AVIAR AND A 1ST RUN Q OMEGA THE SAME THING? Thanks.

There has only been one run of CE Aviars. My original question still hasn't been answered though.
IS A CE AVIAR AND A 1ST RUN Q OMEGA THE SAME THING? Thanks.



That statement is incorrect. They have run atleast 2 molds. I guess you could call it 1 run on the Champion Aviars and the others are CE's.

That's why I said CE. All the rest are Champ.

AHHH>...too many different names for their plastic now days to keep up with...can't help you on the Omega Questions, but John Houck may be able to shed some light on that.

Rick, I checked my clear 01 and it has 2 small bubbles in the rim.


I don't care if it is defective. I'll give you a hundred bucks and a regular '01 for it. :D
Which is more valuable, the clear 01 or the yellow with the Zonedriven ghost stamp?

I'd say it depends on your perspective. I've seen at least half-a-dozen clear '01s in players' bags, but I've never seen anyone with a yellow ZD ghost-stamped O1 in his/her bag, so it stands to reason that there are fewer pristine clear '01s than pristine yellow ZDs out there, so the law of supply and demand would suggest that the clear ones are (or will be in the future) more valuable. OTOH, the fact that people are actually throwing clear '01s suggest that they're perceived as less valuable than the yellow ZDs.

Are the CE Aviars and Q-Omegas the same?



They fly the same, they feel the same...if it looks like a skunk and smells like a skunk...guess what? It's a funkin' skunk.

What do the true Second Run CE Teebird TL's go for? solid opaque plastic, dayglo yellow, mint, 174? And does anyone have any for trade/purchase?

I'm guessing that's one vote for the same, but your statement is so ambiguous! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

There was only one run of CE Aviars, and they were used as CFRs. (The Champion Aviars are a lot different and are regular production.)

CE CFR Aviars were the small bead mold. Masters Cup had gold ones and everybody else that I know of had the bright yellow ones. It's the same plastic as the 2001 CE Rocs. U.S. Masters in 2001 had them as fundraisers. Prior to the 2002 U.S. Masters tournament, a hundy-pack of unstamped yellows was found in the Innova warehouse. 50 were stamped for the 2002 U.S. Masters and 50 for the 2002 Pro Worlds. They were not a new run.

So...
Do you think that the CE Aviar and the first run Q Omega's are the same thing? I don't have a CE Aviar to compare with.

I don't have a first run Q-Omega to compare with. :)

I can send you my address...

Well, I am an unbiased observer, and would be glad to compare the discs in question. Since I don't have either disc, I would need samples for testing. My address is...

Gary...I have a 1st run TX10 CE Aviar you can check out. Never had one of the Omega's

I used to throw both 1st Run Q Omegas and CE Aviars and IMHO they are the same. I have a Gold Masters and an array oy yellow ones from the variouse tour stops in 01. I also had bunch of "CE" omegas from Zonedriven with there stamp on it and the plastic was identical and the feel and flight was the same.

There are some flawless clear 01Rocs. I have 5 of the clear ones and 2 are flawless. The other 3 have some air bubbles or ugly flashing. 3 have Black Zone driven Stamps and 2 have clear Ghost Stamps. I also have a clearer 167 green/yellow ghost stamped Zone Driven 01 Roc and a more opage 174 01 Ghost stamped Roc. They are both flawless. I also have a Red ghost stamped and Orange Chris Himming Kangaroo Stamped 01. They both are mint. I think there were only 2 oragne ones and Chris I believe has it.

Cool. I'm guessing HOT pink is going to be quite rare.

What do the true Second Run CE Teebird TL's go for? solid opaque plastic, dayglo yellow, mint, 174? And does anyone have any for trade/purchase?

Gary...I have a 1st run TX10 CE Aviar you can check out. Never had one of the Omega's



I need to issue a correction about Houston Worlds discs....these were Q Omegas, not CE Aviars. Pulled it off the wall and checked.

It looks just like an Aviar, however. And I've been told it flies like one too.

And I've been told it flies like one too.

<font color="red">TOLD???</font><font color="blue"> You've been </font><font color="red">TOLD???</font><font color="blue"> Do you believe everything you're </font><font color="red">TOLD???</font><font color="blue"> You've got a perfectly good Q-Omega you could throw and find out for yourself, and you simply accept for what you've been </font><font color="red">TOLD</font><font color="blue">??? Be a </font><font color="red">MAN!!!!!</font> <font color="blue">Take that puppy out to a course and give it a workout!!! Disc are mean to </font><font color="red">FLY</font><font color="blue">, not just sit on a wall and look pretty!</font>

(Besides, if you use yours, it'll bump up the value of mine.) :eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :p :D

:p

Tony, I'm TELLING you to practice for World Doubles!
I hope to see you there...

I guess you know now, huh? Sweet disc, let me know what you think when it arrives.

I have been wondering...are the Proto CE Gazelle's as collectible and valueable as the Proto CE Valkyrie's which came out around the same time. Also, does each color have its own worth? Did they make less of one color over another?

Clear 2001 with only 2 bubbles?? **** did one slip through our fingers and now sits out there without anyone knowing about it?

Ahh as Super Dave referred to the one "Flawless 2001 Clear ROC". I've got to tell you that the disc is a thing of beauty. I've been lucky enough to fondle it on 2 seperate occasions and there is a posability that there may not be another disc as beautiful as this anywhere in the world.

I can sleep well at night knowing this is in very good hands.

As for my estimate as to which is worth more, the clear 2001 or the green ghost stamped 2001. I will go with the clear based solely on ebay prices for the last few I've seen sold. The cool thing about having a disc so rare in your collection is that you know you have 1 of ??? ever made. The bad thing about having such a rae disc is that most people don't even know it exists and are somewhat cautious about it's authenticity. The clear ones were istantly known due to word of mouth and the Discussion board. The green ghost stamps were'nt introduced to the public, therfore most people have no idea as to thier rarity.

I have been wondering...are the Proto CE Gazelle's as collectible and valueable as the Proto CE Valkyrie's which came out around the same time. Also, does each color have its own worth? Did they make less of one color over another?



CE Valks over CE Gazelles as far as worth goes. This is due mainly to the fact that the Valk is more widely used and therefore has more of a value.

One of the weirdest thing about the collectible market is something Rob (flynvegas) has pointed out before. 1st run Ce Valks command big money while the first disc, the proto Eagle only gets around $65. And I can assure you there are fewer Eagles around then there are Valks.

Either which one is a winner though. If this sport ever explodes and hits the mainstream, discs like the Proto Valks and original Proto Eagles will skyrocket. A blank original proto Eagle may become the Honus Wagner card of the disc golf world. Sell one at Sotheby's and put your children through college after you buy a little private island in the South Pacific.

Hey we can all dream right...

whats a proto valk and how would you know if it is one? Wouldnt it be the same as the first runs? Any input would be appreciated.

I will try to get a picture of it on here soon.

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One of the weirdest thing about the collectible market is something Rob (flynvegas) has pointed out before. 1st run Ce Valks command big money while the first disc, the proto Eagle only gets around $65. And I can assure you there are fewer Eagles around then there are Valks.

Either which one is a winner though. If this sport ever explodes and hits the mainstream, discs like the Proto Valks and original Proto Eagles will skyrocket. A blank original proto Eagle may become the Honus Wagner card of the disc golf world. Sell one at Sotheby's and put your children through college after you buy a little private island in the South Pacific.

Hey we can all dream right...

[/QUOTE]
Rick I hope you're right about those Eagle's, as well as other important collectible disc's. I was fortunate enough to pick up a mint Eagle from the 2nd test run this week, only 160 made. And a blank Eagle with Dave Dunipace initials, and one that Stork used for one round at Oak Grove. Xmas present to myself, I was very good this year.

I will try to get a picture of it on here soon.


There's a "Definitive Valk" thread somewhere where I posted pics of the proto CE Valk. It has the big star stamp, that's how you know.

I will try to get a picture of it on here soon.


There's a "Definitive Valk" thread somewhere where I posted pics of the proto CE Valk. It has the big star stamp, that's how you know.



Sorry, I was talking about my Roc.

I have been wondering...are the Proto CE Gazelle's as collectible and valueable as the Proto CE Valkyrie's which came out around the same time. Also, does each color have its own worth? Did they make less of one color over another?



CE Valks over CE Gazelles as far as worth goes. This is due mainly to the fact that the Valk is more widely used and therefore has more of a value.


I disagree with that statement. I haven't been checking eBay anymore, but are any Star-stamped Gazelles going up for sale? They just quit showing up a while ago, but would command the big bucks when they did. I sold a blue one for an ungodly amount of money once.

I still wonder what my yellow one would fetch. :)

There was a CE Gazelle, red with Champion Star on Ebay last week. Buy it Now for $120 or something like that, and beginning bid at $89, no one bid on it.

I'm glad I sold my blue one when I did. :)

"The value of anything is what you can get for it right now."

There was a CE Gazelle, red with Champion Star on Ebay last week. Buy it Now for $120 or something like that, and beginning bid at $89, no one bid on it.



well there you go, gazelles arent worth as much but i know they came out only months before the proto star ce valk did, dont know what quantities the production run was but im sure it was less than the proto valk was, and the star stamp on the gazelle was solid white on the red ones, and the ce proto valk had the "reflective" material star stamp. somebody should ask tim s. about those, he was selling them from the innova trailer when i saw them.

That was at the 2000 SoCal Championships, and both the Gazelles and the Valks were there. So they came out at the same time. :)

Red, yellow, and blue Gazelles have the white stamp. Blue valks have the prismatic silver h/s, too. Don't know about the other colors since I don't have them.

Anyone know about super puppies and their story? I have a greatful dead one and was wondering about it. Thanks for any input.

Is yours made by Destiny Discs or Dynamic? Is there a Destiny Discs stamp on the bottom of the disc? DTW is selling these again now, so they aren't worth anything close to the original.I've got an original and it's heavy, over 190g.

There is no writing on bottom except the weight, 153 grams. I saw a similar one on discgolftrader for $125. I got it as my trophy from Keith Shupp for winning the amateur division at the Willamette Pass tournament in Oregon. Needless to say I was pretty surprised and stoked when I saw it on there. Thanks again Vegas you rock.

I think that the only things the new ones from DTW are good for is so you don't have to throw the old ones to appreciate how straight a Super Puppy flies. That, and the softer plastic should make them more break resistant.

many people are looking for ce plastic in tyler tx...if you are selling people are buying at piney woods..

Not an expert on Super Puppy's but I do know that some of the originals had the destiny stamp on the bottom. I've got a primi from the '82 frisbee flyin with the bottom stamp. However if you have a Grateful Dead Puppy be assured as this is an old one. Due to the fact that the Dead filed suit awhile ago to make sure thier likeness wasn't being used as stamps on discs any longer. At least this is the story as I believe I've heard.

Well, then someone had better tell DTW, because they recently sold a whole bunch of new run soft ;) white ones with the same black dead stamp that they always used to use. Perhaps they didn't get that memo?

Also Gateways has had the "Jerry Garcia" stamp on some of their discs too.

Thanks for the info erik, you still Sexy as ever? I havent thrown my super puppy but hear they are pretty dope. Hope your enjoying that oregon weather, he he he.

Is your Super Puppy made by Destiny or Dynamic? Destiny made the original Super Puppy. I bought several from Disc Flights that are made by Dynamic. And now DTW is selling new Destiny ones. The only way I know to tell if it's original is by the Destiny stamp on the bottom of the disc.

I checked the bottom of the "new" Super Puppies that I have, and there is no stamp or mold markings on them. Must be the other kind?

Oregon is wet, wet, wet! I think I am mildey.

The only way to tell for sure is by feel. The new Puppy's feel the same as some of the older ones. If yours is harder than the new, it's old. What color is yours? BTW, I have collected these for a little while. The MOST I have paid is $30.00. $125!?!? That's just silly.

I've seen an original Super Puppy with a California # 1 Crop go for over $200. If your Super Puppy doesn't have a stamp on the underside it's not original. I pulled another one from my collection and this one has the Pyramid with mushroom stamp on the bottom. Dynamic Discs made these for a while in the 90's, now Destiny is making them again with the Grateful Dead, Go Balls Out, and DTW stamps.

they also stamp aviars and rocs with the jerry garcia.I also found a nice roc with bob marley.They are both hot stamps

its the exact same as the one on discgolftrader.com under the for sale part. Its black with a gold skeleton and roses. Any idea about it? Shupp said it was pretty old. Thanks again guys.

Black with gold is an older one. Destiny is making the new ones in White, Blue and Gold. That $200 Puppy was mainly that high for the stamp. So, I have a KC hard, white Dead puppy that was purchased LONG before Destiny started making them again, :confused: with no marking. Admittedly the first ones had the bottom stamp (I've got a "Puppy" that has it) but there were plenty of Super Puppies made without it. The most valuable would be "Cash Crop" or the original Space Shuttle ones.

hey when did the "X-out" stamp come in... I thought the older discs just had a big X with pen on them... This one (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20851&item=7117600818&rd=1) says 1st run CE valk X-out, but it has a X-out stamp... didn't that comeout afterwards???

I'm not trying to call this guy a liar... I just want to know for my own benifit... anybody???

thanks :D

Just saw a red new one on eBay, so I guess they do that color also.

Looks like they have a couple different ones. I couldnt find the red one, (didnt look too long) but did you see the odyssey one coming in at 200grams. WOW, what a tank. Has there been a strict limit on weight or is it still in relation to disc size? Like anyone ever weighs discs at tournaments. Also saw the new grateful dead ones erik was talking about. Guess they didnt get that memo.

There is a max allowable weight of 200g for any disc, but that is limited to the big ones, Condor, Jaguar and the like. The max allowable (PDGA legal) weight for Puppies at 175. But, back in the old days, anything went. I recently picked up a few vintage ones that are all above the current weight limit.

NEWSFLASH people: The Grateful Dead are NO MORE!!!!
I don't know copyright laws, but maybe they're just letting things slide through the cracks these days. The current incarcation is called "The Dead." :(

There was a Destiny Rock N Roller on ebay a while back that was something like 250+ grams. I've got a Whizbo FB that's like 230+ grams, what a bomb.

I�ve a Whizback that is 259gr, it�s really like a stone :eek:!!

The Grateful Dead are no more? Man, where have I been?

For a brief period of time, Flying Eye made some discs with a circle of dancing skeletons. I heard that the Dead told them to quit,so there weren't that many made. I have a that stamp on an old 168 Whippet and a San Marino Roc.

What does everyone think about the collectability of the ce glo rocs, seems they made an awful lot of them. Also people were becoming wise to the hording of the roc and bought multiples. Any input?

i know this isnt the place but i'd love to get my hands on a ce tbird or tl under 170

Yeah? Try traders row or ebay. Thanks for adding to my post count.

I�ve a Whizback that is 259gr, it�s really like a stone :eek:!!


I have a test mold apache thats 242 grams.

Any input on the ce glo rocs? Anyone have a different color stamp than the red or blue? I think Ive seen a silver, and heard of a black one. Let me know.

I have a red, blue, silver, and black one...

I have a rainbow foil stamped one.

Drool, very nice. Wonder how many of those there are.

Red, blue, silver, black, rainbow and purple.

The collectible CE GLOS are the low #'s. If you've got #1-10 then you may be hanging onto something special.

Sounds reasonable. One thing I dont get is how much people pay for Xouts. Seen some go for a pretty penny on Ebay.

Ive been noticing a rare trend on ebay. The ce glo rocs are actually dropping in price. Thats a new one. Hope I can get one for 25, he he. Now if I can only get a 2001 for the same price.

Is an Eleven Time Champion Aviar anything special? Diana found one in her secret stash and asked me. I have no idea. I've never heard of them. It is orange.

Champion is not CE

Is an Eleven Time Champion Aviar anything special? Diana found one in her secret stash and asked me. I have no idea. I've never heard of them. It is orange.

If it's this (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/championAviar.html) stamp, it ain't nuthin' special, seein' as it's the regular stamp.

If a man can talk to himself,can a shadow cast a shadow? [I love those commercials.]

It has a stock stamp that says, "Eleven Time Champion," so it is not that stamp.

post a pic man!!!

Hey guys,
I was just wondering if anyone could give me an idea of what some of my old plastic is worth. I have 3 Champion Valkyries (Unsure of the run, but they are not first or second) Unthrown, 2 2nd run champion Valks both only have a few throws on them. I also have three first run Firebird FL's (Red Candy Plastic) one unthrown and two thrown. Any help that you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated as I am thinking about selling them to fund my next few tournaments. Thanks alot.

Jason E McKinney
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Jason, i'd guess that your valkyries would all be around $40. The Firebirds used probably at least $25-30, and a new 1st run FL could go for $60 but...

I'M NO EXPERT :D

Sounds about right to me.

That is pretty close on those prices. There are times where they hit high also. I have seen ce valk's go for at least 40 to 50. Some ce firebirds especially 1st run FL's go for $60 to $100. I sold one for $95 it was 174G mint with the old school rainbow hot stamp. It all depends. To be fair a 1st run mint mid weight ce firebird FL should go for $75