Someone somewhere along the line recommended that a good way to throw a driver was to use the same throwing motion as if throwing a mid-range/putter drive. I just wanted to thank that person b/c that has really helped with my driving. I exert 1/2 the energy and get better results. (I forget who told me to do that though but it was in one of these forums.) I can see this technique as being a great foundation for adding distance long-term, but one step at a time.

I throw all my throws the same, this is why I carry 25 discs in a tournament. Same motion different result. Only difference is sometimes the angle of the disc, or if I am throwing up hill.

I throw all my throws the same, this is why I carry 25 discs in a tournament. Same motion different result. Only difference is sometimes the angle of the disc, or if I am throwing up hill.



Same here. Some folks use the same disc for several shots, where as I feel comfortable with a certain disc for certain shots. Whatever works.

I carry 5 Different Discs but only 3 Seperat molds.

Tsunamis and Preds are same mold more or less
BUZZZ and Wasp are same mold
Challengers

So three Molds 5 Discs. Then a Z Flick for Forehands. I carry all the same discs but they all fly different. I like that all my Drivers FEEL the same and so Do my mids and Putters.

Whatever works is right though. If you can win with a 200 Gram Condor then by god throw the Condor :D

I throw all my throws the same... poorly! :p

I throw putter drives differently cuase that's the only way I can throw a putter consistantly and accurately over 250'. It's a style that I borrowed from someone who has been playing for 20 years and began using that style to throw the old understable discs far.

I thow all my midrange discs just like I do my drivers.

25 Discs! Wholy deciscion making process Discman! Now that would be a great topic. How many discs does it take to play 18 holes and why more than, say, five?!

25 Discs! Wholy deciscion making process Discman! Now that would be a great topic. How many discs does it take to play 18 holes and why more than, say, five?!


it's not that it's neccesary to use more than five, or even ONE disc to play 18, but that is what he feels comfortable using. i think my back would not be very appreciative of me carrying 25 discs for a tourney, but that's me...:) i use about 5-6 different molds, and around 15/16 discs, give or take an extra or two.

25 Discs! Wholy deciscion making process Discman! Now that would be a great topic. How many discs does it take to play 18 holes and why more than, say, five?!



I carry 25 discs in a tournament, and only 8 during casual rounds on my home course. I rotate those 8 discs, not only to prevent unwanted wear (some discs I do not want to turn), but it also allows me to know my discs.

Most trouble I have in deciding is "Do I throw the new KC Roc, or the New Buzzz?" Or "Do I throw the Beast or the Orc?"

Other then those few and rare cases I know the disc I will throw after only a few seconds of evaluating the lie and wind conditions. To confuse someone even more, I carry DX counterparts to the different styles of discs, Overstable driver, long driver, straight driver, turnover driver, and straight mid range. I only keep these in my tourny bag if I get stuck in the rain, Candy plastic losses its grip in the rain. All my putters are DX.

Of course I say fairly often, "I should have thrown the Super Roc and not the Wasp" But if I end up in an adverse situation it forces me to pull out the plastic I throw less and throw a shot I do not throw as often.

I actually throw drivers as mid-ranges. :D I have worked on my throwing technique so I use the same "stroke" for every throw except my putts. The only difference is the amount of power, wrist angle and disc selection. For drives, I use teebirds and rocs of different plastics and beatness, upshots I use cyclones, rocs, classic rocs and aviars in that order from long to short. My wrist angle will determine hyzer, anhyzer, straight or helix, and power is mostly controlled by length of run-up, from 5 step approach to standstill. I have nine different discs.

How about grip?

Do y'all use a ever use a mid-range grip when throwing drivers? (i.e. fan grip or index finger on the rim)

I started to do that and it seems to be good so far. I'll probably eventually switch back to the power grip once I feel that I am using proper form. But right now I can't seem to keep the nose down with the power grip.

I use 2 different grips depending on what kind of shot i want to throw. If I am throwing a finesse shot or an up shot i use a fan grip no matter what kind of disc it is. If its a shot that requires alof of power like most of my drives and everything outside 380 then i use the power grip unless im throwing a putter. When i throw my putters no matter if it needs power of not i use a fan grip. Unless its a huge huge huge sky turn.

Does anyone else use 2 different grips when they play or is it just me???

I try and use a power grip for anything requireing more than 200' of power, no matter what disc...not that I'm all that successful at it yet. I use a fan grip for anything shorter, so I pretty much only use a fan type grip with my putters. Forcing myself to use a power grip on different shapes of discs has really helped me understand my grip better and I'm getting better releases.

I use 2 different grips depending on what kind of shot i want to throw. If I am throwing a finesse shot or an up shot i use a fan grip no matter what kind of disc it is. If its a shot that requires alof of power like most of my drives and everything outside 380 then i use the power grip unless im throwing a putter. When i throw my putters no matter if it needs power of not i use a fan grip. Unless its a huge huge huge sky turn.

Does anyone else use 2 different grips when they play or is it just me???



I use three grips, power grip for drives no matter what, power grip for mid-range shot for 250-400', a mixture of fan/power grip for mid-ranges 150-250', but only use the fan grip for my approaches 150' or less

I use a stacked grip (I think thats what its called) for everything except short approaches with a putter. I will occasionally use a fan grip for finnese shots with my Elements, but not too often.

Ya, I do the same. For any drive above 200 I'd say I use powergrip. Once it gets in 200 and I think there is a chance of touching the basket I'll switch to a fan grip.

Power for drives, three finger for short mids, control for putts. I also use the control grip to drive with my Champion aviar.

I never use the same throw. I find that it's too hard to replicate the exact same throw over and over. It's very easy to change my throw, so I use discs that fly consistantly and control with the throw.

I used to throw every shot the same and change the disc, hoping for consistancy. But I found that true consistancy comes from knowing every aspect of my throw, not how my discs fly. When I throw, I know exactly what my body is doing because I am controling each factor. I also know exactly how the disc is going to fly and where it's going to land as I release it. I don't even have to watch. I don't even keep my eye on the target. I get a good look at it, get a feel for where it is out there, and adjust my throw accordingly.

I only carry 3 molds but 10 discs total. 3 Elements, 3 Demons, 4 Wizards.

I control the disc, it doesn't control me.

As far as grip goes, I use the 4-finger Birdie grip for everything from 150' to 400'+. If I'm throwing an approach under 150', I'll probably use a control grip unless I have a low ceiling, where I still flip the bird.

Interesting question. I, as a somewhat experienced player (playin' since 1979), don't think I really change throwing style much depending on disc, but rather on the power I need for the intended shot. A full power Roc throw is pretty much the same as a full power Teebird throw. Granted of course the needed change in hyzer and mung angles and the height I need to put on the disc for the specific throw I'm about to do. After all a Roc requires a higher trajectory to go far than a modern wide rimmed driver does. But basically the same.

I've also developed a style where I use the same grip, a version of the power grip, with a few elements from a stacked grip, for all backhand throws except putts. ( on this page there's a pic of the grip I use (http://hem.bredband.net/area46/engelska/skola/utkast.html) ) Of course this is very individual, and what works best for you is what's right for you. I would think that one thing that would help in learning a good distance drive when throwing more of a midrange power swing, is to not throw as hard as you can. At maybe 80 percent of your max power you'll be surprised at the distance you'll achieve. You will get a more fluid relaxed swing if you don't clench all your muscles trying to go for power. So I definitely can understand that thinking more midrange than power could help.
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I basically use two grips. One is a modified power grip, basically I use three instead of four fingers, the index finger is out and on the bottom of the rim of the disc for stability.

For all midrange discs regardless of power and putts I put my first two fingers towards the center of the disc spread in a peace sign, it is a very common grip.

There is a guy in Mississippi who drives sidearm but he "pinches" the disc, ie he has no fingers under the rim, just holds the edge with his index finger and thumb, he has great D but is unfortunately very inconsistent.

parkntwoputt:

I played with a guy who threw backhand that way. Pinched the rim between the end of his thumb and the knuckle of his forefinger. No fingers under the disc anywhere. He cold throw at least 300 feet. Pretty good control, too!

I used to be able to pinch the disc between the knuckles of my forefinger and middlefinger, with pretty good control and fairly decent distance, but if the disc wasn't almost brand new it would hurt on the rip.

I have not read anything in the ask dave thread, but here is what i know.

1) What happens to a discs flight characteristics as you increase the amount of spin, and lower the amount of speed (or is it acceleration?) at release.

Spin and speed tradeoff the amount of understability/overstability the disc will experience, since the amount of air that comes in contact with the front edge of the disc determines the understability, both speed and spin affect this. Speed does because as the speed increases the disc passes through more air particles, spin does because the edge of the disc itself will be contacting more air particles as it spins faster.




2) What happens to the discs flight characteristics as you increase the amount of speed (acceleration?), and decrease the amount of spin at release?

Vice versa
3) What if you increase both spin, and speed(acceleration?)?
Way understable
4) At some point is there a trade off between spin, and speed? I imagine eventually you can't increase one without decreasing the other

I have not experienced a limit to either or both,

I would have to disagree with increasing both results in understability. More spin allows me to throw discs at a higher velocity flat without having to worry about them turning over badly in the high speed portion of the flight. I can release beasts or firebirds on a low flat line with a lot of spin and both will handle the high speed portion of the flight flat, the beast will start to turn over as it slows, and may come back, the firebird will fly straight and fade strongly as it slows.

when it's real windy out I pull out the Monster or sometimes Firebird for open midrange shots, using it as a wide, flat hyzer to skip in on approach.