am looking for a midrange disc that has a wider rim than most. i throw with a power grip, and i get better control with my teebirds and demon, but the tee is too long and the demon is too overstable. when i throw shorter i use a fan grip on my putter and that works fine, up to 225 or so. the demon would be perfect if it were not overstable. what about the discontinued g6i? are they hard to find? are they stable or overstable? which plastic renders the demon less overstable? i need a wider rimmed disc that has the flight of a roc/wasp/buzz/element.

on a related note--how does a sabre compare to a roc distance wise, and in what plastic is the sabre most [over]stable? also where does the blaze fit in? as fast/long as a teebird?

~ G6is were discontinued this year, but David is considering making future runs.

~ A Sabre thrown like a midrange acts like one too, and can definatly go just as far as Rocs with the potential to go farther when thrown like a driver.

~ I use the Blaze as an in between midrange and driver disc. It behaves like a slightly faster, more overstable Roc. Its a beefier Sabre that flies really true. I would personally reccomend the Blaze, but Sabres work too. (The Blaze takes less touch as a midrange, but doesn't stay as straight at say 65%)

what plastic makes the demon the least stable?

on a related note--how does a sabre compare to a roc distance wise, and in what plastic is the sabre most [over]stable? also where does the blaze fit in? as fast/long as a teebird?



I think a Sabre, thrown like a Roc is a bit faster with less fade and less glide. I think they go a few feet farther than a Roc but nothing huge. You can also throw them harder and higher to get them to go farther. It's a pretty versatile disc.

The only problem I have with it is I can't keep one for more than 2 weeks without losing it. My first one just disappeared from my bag. I don't even remember throwing it. On Saturday I threw the last two I had on the same hole right after one another and they landed on a rarely used side street at the bottom of a hill. By the time I got to where I could see where I estimated they landed there was a car stopped there, the doors slammed shut and it sped away. My discs were nowhere to be found.

I have an S Blaze and a H Blaze (Warrior stamp) and while they seem to have a speed similar to a Teebird, I don't think they quite have the same glide, so they're shorter than Teebirds for me. The S Blaze is defintately more overstable than a Teebird, but it's not out of control and seems to be very controlable and very predictable. Thrown with a hyzer you get a very nice hyzer path with a hard fade. Thrown flat you get a straight flight that fades maybe 3/4 the way into the flight. An anhyzer throw given enough height will give you a big S curve that might be able to get you Teebird type distance (I haven't used it enough to really test that out). The H Blaze is noticibly domier and fades later in the flight. The fade is stronger than a Teebird and it's still a tad shorter. It's also extremely predictable. The thing I've been finding with the Blazes so far (mine aren't all that beat yet, so this could change) is that they don't quite work for anhyzer shots as well as a Teebird. They fight too hard to come back at the end. They can take quite a bit of power, which is nice. If you can take the shot fading at the end, don't need a ton of distance but want to throw hard (e.g. low cieling, midrange hyzer) then the Blaze seems to be perfect. For me, that shot comes up a lot. They also work great as a not quite max D sidearm shot or any 'S' curve.

thanks--what plastic is the sabre mmost stable in?

Some like the Gator. A lot of people tell me the G6I is not that over stable, but it is pretty overstable. Not like the G5i though. I think you should try a Spider!
The G6i is good for short spike hyzers and other shorter shots that cut back hard at the end. I have heard people say they can throw it straight a long way, but not me. Too overstable! Isn't that a surprise?

thanks--what plastic is the sabre mmost stable in?



Good question. It's probably either the S or E. None of them had a lot of fade but I thought my H was a big more understable at high speeds. At medium speeds I thought they all kind of acted the same, but I don't have a ton of experience with any of them.

The Sabre is most overstable in the "E"volution plastic. For even MORE stability in a Sabre, look for "E" Sabre FXs. They are cooled different, which forces the plastic to shift more towards the rim, making it more overstable. These can be thrown like TeeBirds w/o worry of turning them over.

So to summerize for Sabres:
Roc like: "S" or "E"
TeeBird: "E" FX

Some like the Gator. A lot of people tell me the G6I is not that over stable, but it is pretty overstable. Not like the G5i though. I think you should try a Spider!
The G6i is good for short spike hyzers and other shorter shots that cut back hard at the end. I have heard people say they can throw it straight a long way, but not me. Too overstable! Isn't that a surprise?





I can keep the softer ones straight pretty good, but then they hyzer at the end just as hard as a G5i. The stiff ones behave really close to a G5, maybe a little straighter. David was talking about rerunning softer G6is after he gets the new midrange (To Be Named) up and going.

on a related note--how does a sabre compare to a roc distance wise, and in what plastic is the sabre most [over]stable? also where does the blaze fit in? as fast/long as a teebird?



I think a Sabre, thrown like a Roc is a bit faster with less fade and less glide. I think they go a few feet farther than a Roc but nothing huge. You can also throw them harder and higher to get them to go farther. It's a pretty versatile disc.

The only problem I have with it is I can't keep one for more than 2 weeks without losing it. My first one just disappeared from my bag. I don't even remember throwing it. On Saturday I threw the last two I had on the same hole right after one another and they landed on a rarely used side street at the bottom of a hill. By the time I got to where I could see where I estimated they landed there was a car stopped there, the doors slammed shut and it sped away. My discs were nowhere to be found.

I have an S Blaze and a H Blaze (Warrior stamp) and while they seem to have a speed similar to a Teebird, I don't think they quite have the same glide, so they're shorter than Teebirds for me. The S Blaze is defintately more overstable than a Teebird, but it's not out of control and seems to be very controlable and very predictable. Thrown with a hyzer you get a very nice hyzer path with a hard fade. Thrown flat you get a straight flight that fades maybe 3/4 the way into the flight. An anhyzer throw given enough height will give you a big S curve that might be able to get you Teebird type distance (I haven't used it enough to really test that out). The H Blaze is noticibly domier and fades later in the flight. The fade is stronger than a Teebird and it's still a tad shorter. It's also extremely predictable. The thing I've been finding with the Blazes so far (mine aren't all that beat yet, so this could change) is that they don't quite work for anhyzer shots as well as a Teebird. They fight too hard to come back at the end. They can take quite a bit of power, which is nice. If you can take the shot fading at the end, don't need a ton of distance but want to throw hard (e.g. low cieling, midrange hyzer) then the Blaze seems to be perfect. For me, that shot comes up a lot. They also work great as a not quite max D sidearm shot or any 'S' curve.



I use a brand new Blaze for most shots where others throw TeeBirds/Cyclones/Gazelle type discs, and for now I throw broken in ones for a midrange.

As far as Demon's go, the H Demon is the least stable of them. G6i's are straight, but it's never good to rely on a discontinued driver, in my opinion.

Why don't you just get used to a smaller rim?

As far as Demon's go, the H Demon is the least stable of them. G6i's are straight, but it's never good to rely on a discontinued driver, in my opinion.

Why don't you just get used to a smaller rim?



BUT David might be making more.

We actually found several boxes of Scouts that were a blend of H and S.
If we made it now we would call it an H/S demon.
There are about 200 of them and there are some funky colors like purple and burgandy.
I would consider these discs to be G6i's by the shape, but havent thrown them in awhile.
I can have Justin throw a few tomorrow and let me know the stability.

Thats pretty cool. I'm still hoping to make it down there sometime Dave...I would love to see weird runs and such.

I think A gazelle is an excellent midrange type disc I can only throw it a bit further than a regular mid not very fast with excellent glide. JMO

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I took out a couple of Gateway discs yesterday for some field practice. I found them both to be quite straight and slow...though quite long in the glide department with very little low speed fade.
These were older discs in their DX-type plastic...the first - a Warrior, the second has no identification but I believe it to be a Sabre. It has the same dome but a sharper nose.
I could see either of these used as a wide-rimmed mid-range...if you're used to Rocs/Wasps, they would definitely feel different 'in the hand'.

Overall, I still prefer a Rhyno or a Demon G5i (or perhaps a CE Spider)...as I would rather throw them harder, instead of taking something off my throw. If a finesse throw is in order, then a Roc/Wasp is what I would reach for...
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With our home courses set up short for our Winter League, I probably throw my Demon on half the holes.

Man I love demons! They are overstable lazers from 250'. I have a 2 year old demon that I can throw 350' on a huge s-curve! Demons are sweet short drivers.

Man I love demons! They are overstable lazers from 250'. I have a 2 year old demon that I can throw 350' on a huge s-curve! Demons are sweet short drivers.

I had a few of those. Im making another one with now.

Man I love demons! They are overstable lazers from 250'. I have a 2 year old demon that I can throw 350' on a huge s-curve! Demons are sweet short drivers.



Yeah, I use mine strictly for Hyzers, but everyonce in a while, as the situation calls, you can get really nice "S" curves. For me they're not too practical, but like I said...if the situation calls...