Pro, Am, JR.......... Raleigh NC?

says who?

DEZ MONIES,
IOWA!

LIIIIVVVVEEEEE OOOOOAAAAAKKKKK TEXAS :D

i say bring it back to SE MI! plenty of courses to accomadate pro, am, and juniors!
and we go the new rolling hills which could be thrown in the mix.

Tulsa Oklahoma 21st anniversary of the 1985 Worlds.....ahhhh probably not!

Michigan would be a great place to hold it.

How about Augusta?

Dallas/Fort Worth has many World Class Courses. Here are a few (10)!!!!!!

Veteran's Park, Arlington
Z-Boaz, Ft. Worth
Bi-Centennial, Crowley
Audubon, Dallas
Cedar Hill course 1&2, Dallas
Flag Pole Hill course 1,2,&3, Dallas
White Rock Lake, Dallas

That would be one great place to hold worlds, but you would need a club that functions to run it. Dallas disc golf has been dead for a few years besides mini's. Think the Vet/ZBoaz/Lake/Crowley/BearCreek/Crowley groups could work together?

The dtermining factor is not courses. It's the presence of a volunteer pool willing to run it.

Are any of you people who are throwing out your local areas willing to not play in order to have Worlds there? That's what it takes.

Not a slam. Just a reality check.

Sorry, I'd have to play, but i would help out up until the 1st round's 2-minute warning. :D

As far as the courses, we have some QUALITY courses in the area, they are just far apart. The Lake and Bear Creek, are decent, but far from World Class in my opinion.

Lake could be with a little lengthening of the course, but BearCreek is probably a little too short and not realy technical enough to balance that out.

Michigan would be a great place to hold it.



Combined again in MI for 2006. That would be AWESOME :D Or just Ams in 2006 either up north on the Northern Waters courses or around here with Cass, Hudson Mills, Kensington Tunnel AND Tobbogan :D

I think Bowling Green, KY might still be interested for Am Worlds 2006 since they had a strong bid that was as good as Flagstaff for 2005 (Flagstaff was in line first). Worlds is a lot of volunteer effort and different places need to step up and take a turn. Ann Arbor, MN, Iowa, TN, KC, AZ, Houston, Miami have recently taken their turns this century. Some place that hasn't hosted for 10 years or never should pull it together.

The determining factor is not courses. It's the presence of a volunteer pool willing to run it.

Yeah, I think it's pretty funny to hear everybody scream 'play here!', but I was in that polyanna-fueled boat not too long ago...Mr. M.B.A. can vouch for that! ;)

What's roughly the # of NON-players needed? I'm going to throw out 3; that's PER course, PER round. If you want to categotize that as a Course Marshall, a Course Director, and an 'Extra' [per, per], so be it.

Spotters?

You probably need a core staff of six to be the "management team".

Then a "course marshall" and assistant, plus spotters, for each course used. Having a team staked to each venue gives you consistency at the courses.

In Michigan they had also had a "Pool Marshall". I don't know the name used, but it was someone who was like the TD for each pool and travelled with that pool wherever it went. Like how the course marshall gives consistency to the course, the Pool Marshall gave consistency to the pool. The PM is responsible for the cards and scoreboard for the pool, including getting it to the next course.

So if you used 4 courses and had 8 pools:

6 core team
4 course marshalls
8 pool marshalls

18 people plus assistants/backups for the CM/PMs, plus spotters.


Just a guess. I'll be a non-player in order to bring Worlds to SoCal. Unfortunately I can only think of maybe 4 other people who would also be willing to do that. Not even enough. Oh, and you can't even get a hotel deal in SoCal in the summer.

Just a guess. I'll be a non-player in order to bring Worlds to SoCal. Unfortunately I can only think of maybe 4 other people who would also be willing to do that. Not even enough. Oh, and you can't even get a hotel deal in SoCal in the summer.



Oh Yea, That would be hilarious....
Subject the DiscGolf World to SoCal TRAFFIC

I can see the "Players Instructions" now.......

...."Make sure you leave the Motel 6 by 4:30 for that cross-town drive, so you can make it the course by 8 for your Payers Meeting"
:D

It would have to be condenced to a small area of SoCal as to not have "cross-town" drives. ElDo, LaMa, HB are the nearest 3 (4 with 2 at LaMa)
Still I think the "Out-of-towners" would REALLY hate it....
The traffic, that is.. :p

The dtermining factor is not courses. It's the presence of a volunteer pool willing to run it.

Are any of you people who are throwing out your local areas willing to not play in order to have Worlds there? That's what it takes.

Not a slam. Just a reality check.



I hear it ALL the time...Why not NorCal?? :confused:

It has been thought about, but the same always comes up..

Where?

We have at least 3 areas that could hold it, BUT not one wants to step up and commit to the project....

Ive given up and will be "selfish" and concentrate my efforts on the "Match Play Championships"

:D

Cedar Hill course 1&2, Dallas
Flag Pole Hill course 1,2,&3, Dallas



MyHero,
Have any of these been put in the ground yet?!?

Well, count me in as one of those 4 SoCal 'voyeurs'...I should be certified in a month or so...but I agree, the volunteership here is insufficient, at present. :confused:

Magilla, you need to come in from the abyss! The naysayers were saying that stuff for the L.A. Olympics, too...Eldo, Whittier, Lama [x2], H.B...possibly even Fountain Valley...are all within an easy commute of ANOTHER course/2 [just not each/every].

And by the way, what are those 3 'areas' you refer to? Looks like NorCal is pretty spread-out...

Cedar Hill has not been put into the ground, nor has Flag Pole. The sleeves are in at FP for the hill course, but it can only be a temp course so far. Not permnament.

Cedar Hill course 1&2, Dallas
Flag Pole Hill course 1,2,&3, Dallas


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MyHero,
Have any of these been put in the ground yet?!?




I've played Flag Pole Hill #1 (Tx10), and Flag Pole Hill #2 (DFW food drive), and have seen the land for Flag Pole Hill #3, but no tournament has ever been played there. The land for #3 is the best of the 3 courses. Should be great!

As for Cedar Hill #1....It will be 27 holes, and is close to going into the ground. We did play a tournament there on 8/7/04. Sweet course!!! Cedar Hill #2 will use 9 holes from CedarHill #1's 27 holes and will add 9 temp holes for tournament play only. The land at the Cedar Hill course is incredible. I can't wait to see the 27 holer completed!!!!!!

However, as Adam stated, none of the courses are permanently in the ground as of now. The closest is Cedar Hill #1.

The food drive course was far from what could be called world class..it was just a big pit of mud and only a few long shots...The Top Hill course is simply one of the best in town, but that park gets too much traffic from other events to let us have it all year round. :(

my 2cents

I thought the back 9 was very cool. The front nine was mediocre.

Yes..that is probably more accurate...the front side had those 4 or 5 shorties all in a row that were just stuck off the water to make them somewhat challenging.

The 2 holes along the street on the front were also somewhat bad in planning due to the traffic on that road. I know I nailed an SUV during practice that didn't come back

The problem with that course is the constant flooding, but you can't beat having horses ride through the course :)

From descriptions the 3rd course at FPH will be the best.

I changed the subject line for y'all. :)

Rhett, you're just jealous that you're not a Texican :D

Aren't they all Texas discussion threads.

Now back to the question, who knows of a serious bid for 2006 Worlds, or will it move to Augusta semi-permanently sometime in the future?

I think realistically 2007 is more likely for Augusta. We'll be fortunate to have two courses in championship playable shape by 2006. Those two plus other courses in Augusta could possibly host by then. Of course, if there's no bidder for Pro Worlds 2006, they may try to host it there since the HQ will be up and running with staff in the next few months.

The place to be for most of us will be Highbridge, Wisconsin for the brand new PDGA major event there starting next July...

Nobody's disputed Rhett's 18/4 figure...sound about right?

...what does it take for a club/area to develop such a volunteer base? Love? Pride? Bribes? Something in the water?!?

The 18/4 number is good for people that are physically working the events themselves. There needs to be quite a bit more working as support, handling sales, Staffing at the host hotel(s), maintaining online information, delivering/moving stuff from one venue to another. There is a need for at least another 18-20 working behind the scenes full time.

That's a lot...not to mention spotters, if needed...how does that all happen? Do clubs commit, then 'recruit', or do you need the 'workforce' in place first?

Now back to the question, who knows of a serious bid for 2006 Worlds, or will it move to Augusta semi-permanently sometime in the future?

There are no serious bids for 2006 Worlds yet, as far as I know, and my information is fairly fresh.

I personally hope that Bowling Green is still interested as I would like to get revenge on those courses. Peoria probably has the volunteers and courses to run a Worlds too, but that would probably mean having to find a different host for USWDGC that year.

Clubs or organizations that are interested should contact the office [you can contact the Ontario office until we publish contact information for the Georgia office] to find out how to proceed.

And by the way, what are those 3 'areas' you refer to? Looks like NorCal is pretty spread-out...



#1. Santa Cruz Area.....DeLa plus various temps etc..

#2. North Bay SF..Stafford Lake could have 3 courses plus a temp at the Birkenstock Plant at the least. I could also use land adjacent to Stafford Lake. (The Grossi Family owns about 100,000 acres of land right next to Stafford Lake :p

#3 Gold Country - Orangevale, Grass Valley, Penn Valley..and more

and then theres

#4 Lake Tahoe Area - Bijou, Zephyr, Kirkwood?, etc...

The closest weve come to a proposal would be the Gold Country or North Bay regions :p

It just didnt work out the way it would need to..

Chuck,

Where is everyone going to stay for an event at Highbridge?

I was able to get up there in late September for a look, and stayed overnight in what is beginning to be a campground with my two boys. The area has great potential, and I enjoyed seeing it. But I had a hard time envisioning how a couple hundred players could find accommodations up there.

Oh, I agree with Slick concerning the design of Hole #16 on Blueberry being silly! ;)

There are 450 motel rooms within a half hour of Highbridge including the casino in Ashland. There will be bunkhouses built this winter for use by snowmobilers and the kids disc golf and nature camp next summer. The campground area is expanding, the bathhouse will finally be completed and several cabins for 4-6 people will be built. Food will still be the trickier issue but there will be a mess hall built in time for the kids camp.

does the casino have roulette??
if so i'll be there...
if it doesn't i'll see it when passing thru after i get more vacation time :D

No roulette at the Bad River Casino.

Wisconsin would love to have Worlds back again!!!

It's not Worlds we're talking about (yet). More later on the new major coming to Highbridge July 6-10, 2005

Are they really majors if we have 20 of them?

Pro Worlds
Am Worlds
Jr Worlds
Pro World Doubles
Am World Doubles
USDGC
Chick Championships
Ole Man Nationals
Am Nationals
Match Play Championships
Ratings Nationals

Okay, so that's only 11 instead of 20. But don't most other sports have 4 Majors? Ball Golf, Tennis........hmmm....aren't there more sports than that who call their top events "majors"?

Based on USGA, we have several more to add:

http://www.usga.org/championships/index.html

And this doesn't include Pro events with the exception of the Open.

Our new major is the U.S. Mid-Nationals (not Ratings Nationals but similar concept)

even though there are 11 major events, its not like you could play all 11.

Only one of those is a major!

That's true, but the closer you get to 52 "majors", then the closer you get to having no weekends open for other tourneys.

11 is over 20% of the weekends, and according to the PDGA Majors are supposed to get exlcusive weekends of all other events where divisions can overlap.

Dont forget that applies only within a certain number of miles from the event.

Look forward to seeing it as it grows. I'm planning on getting up there again this spring (OK, its northern Wisconsin, so let's clarify it as late May to early June) to see how things are going. Driving in from the south, things were pretty desolate, and the facility wasn't as far along as I had been led to believe. But it's easy to see the potential!

If Raleigh was to host it, we have enough local courses, and I am sure we could get plenty of qualified volunteers to help run each course.

In Raleigh, we have(within a 20/30 minute drive):
Zebulon
Cedar Hills(longs)
Buckhorn
Valley Springs

I don't count Kentwood because it is too easy for pros, and I don't count Cornwallis because of bad course design(baskets close to each other...etc).

Plus we have a new course coming to us soon. Plus we are trying to get a course built in Cary.

There are a couple private courses that are close to Raleigh too.

If Raleigh was to host it, we have enough local courses, and I am sure we could get plenty of qualified volunteers to help run each course.



as much as I'd like to see Worlds come to the Triangle, and even though it's in my backyard, I don't consider VS to be an A-tier level course. Even in the new, long layout, it's, at best, IMO, a good B-/C-tier course: too many similar holes, nothing that comes close to a par 4 hole. Not saying VS is a bad course, only that it's not a world-class course. If Worlds were to come to the Triangle�and I'm skeptical that there would be enough volunteers to pull it off�I think Cedarock would be a better choice than VS, even though it's a bit of a hike.

well maybe the new course in durham would be up and running by then...

2006 will be 10 years since Charlotte hosted a Worlds. Maybe it's that time again. We've got the caliber of courses needed and if the USDGC is an indicator we should be able to have enough of a volunteer staff.

Midwest this year, West coast next and the PRIDE of the East coast the year after.

97 was charlotte....my first (and only am worlds),followed 2 weeks later with my first pro worlds.....
eagle's landing baby!!

at least if it's back there we wouldn't have to play 2 rounds at kilbourne :p with all the new courses in the area..
i'd be back in a heartbeat :cool:

Good luck in Vegas, Keith.

thanks!

well maybe the new course in durham would be up and running by then...

Maybe, but I wouldn't count on it. Forest Hills Homeowners Association is VERY supportive, P&R is on board, but can't do anything 'til the Army Corps of Engineers re-routes the stream bisecting the park as part of the overall Flood Plain Management plan for the county. It was supposed to start this past summer, but got put on hold. No firm date when it'll happen now. :(

Charlotte definitely has enough courses,
Renaissance
Reedy Creeek
Kilborne
Hornet's Nest
Sugaw Creek (will be in by then)
Dickinson in Monroe (tough course from the new concrete long pads)
Boyd Hill in Rock Hill

10 yeears would be 2007 worlds, we could run it by then... only 3 years to plan!

Actually Matt we could add in Winthrop also. I'm sure the university would let us use the course seeing as usually at that time of year there are no classes.

Monroe may not be up to the standards though. Even though it plays alot tougher it would need a ton of work and people to police to keep all the other events off the course. Might be able to put in a temp course if needed or hopefully William Davies will be in by then.

I made the suggestion a couple of years ago that Charlotte should look into this. 2 to 3 years would give us more than enough time to put this together with everyones help.

dickerson is a great course. not a lot of work needed. Almost every hole is away from other types of events. Try shooting in the 40s out there, it ain't that easy.

I'm afraid we won't be able to use Winthrop for Worlds now that the USDGC is there. We have plenty of other courses for Worlds.

no way Raleigh gets worlds at this time, but this is what we would probably use....

Cedar, Zeb, Buckhorn, and UNC

We are still missing the mass of volunteers it makes to run a worlds

Mt.L., you and fore disagree with T.Cheat. on the volunteer base there in Raleigh.

...how does one tell, one way or the other? :confused:

Well see...I wasn't just counting on Raleigh people to help out.

I know there would be a ton of people throughout NC(that weren't playing) that would be willing to help out....from the DEP, PCP, Trim, Fish, TNT, BoFa, etc...

I have been wondering what it would take to get a city considered for Worlds. I live in Dallas, and we've got plenty of good courses within a 30-minute drive from the center.

Having lived there (Addison & Lewisville in '90-'93) but not as a DGer...how much commute time are we talking about here b/tw worthy courses?

Talk about L.A. traffic. I think Dallas can give us a run for the money in that regard.

In DM, if you played 2 rounds they were at 7:30 and 3:30 with roughly 4 hrs in between. The worst commute was about 1:15. We used 3 courses that were about 30 min outside of DM each in 3 different directions. Short travel helps, but play the best courses you can first.

i guess it depends on which courses we used. unfortunately, one of the best courses in DFW (Z-Boaz) is a bit too far away from all the others. In Dallas, if the headquarters were in Lewisville, and the host hotel the same as the one who hosted a TD conference a couple years ago, the commute time from Lewisville would be thus (excluding high-traffic times):

Audobon - Garland - 30-35 minutes
LL Woods - Lewisville - 5-10 minutes
Lake Park - Lewisville - 5-10 minutes
Alex Clark Memorial - McKinney - 45 Minutes
BB Owen - Dallas - 30 minutes
Flag Pole Hill (2 *nice* temp courses) - Dallas - 30 minutes
White Rock Lake (temp) - Dallas - 30 minutes
Bear Creek - Grapevine - 20 minutes
JJ Porter - Carrollton - 15-20 minutes
Greenbelt - Carrollton - 15-20 minutes
North Lake Park - Denton - 35 minutes

There are currently proposals for 3 new courses in Allen, Frisco, and Flower Mound... all of which would be in close proximity to another of the courses on this list. Note that the Dallas courses listed are all fairly close to each other and to the Audobon course. The only course that would be pretty far out of the loop is Alex Clark, unless the Frisco course gets built in time. Then that 45 minute commute is broken in half with a course in between, all 3 courses right off the same highway. Also, the commute to McKinney should be about 10-15 minutes less once construction is completed on Hwy. 121. Currently, the two Carrollton courses are getting a facelift with new concrete teepads, and I believe we could get other cities to contribute money to the other courses to 'get them up to par'.

We have a very stong DG presence in DFW. The local news has covered a few of Chris Himing's events that I know of, and a Worlds event is just what we need to spur City involvement and investment as well as group organization and DG awareness in the community. All of the courses listed above have been used in organized tournaments, mostly by Mr. Chris Himing and Mr. Brian Mace. Many of these courses have already hosted at least a C-tier event.

Sorry if this sounds like a pitch... but it might eventually turn into one :)

Josh,

The 3 temp courses and Audobon are worthy of World's. As for the other's...........great for local events, but no where near World's caliber.

I'd be ****** if I went out there and didn't get to play Veteran's. :)

Josh,

The 3 temp courses and Audobon are worthy of World's. As for the other's...........great for local events, but no where near World's caliber.




Awww, come on MyHero! Not even Lake Park for a birdie course?!? I agree with you that Z-Boaz--Crowley--Veteran's is a start, and adding Cedar Hill would make it 4 major courses. How many would be needed for a combined worlds? Just Pro worlds? Just Am worlds?

I'm betting that the answers are 8, 6, and 6, respectively.

So that means that we'd need 2 more championship courses, and then we could probably get by with a dinker birdie course or 2.

Maybe we should start a "Worlds for 2010" thread!

My Hero,

of course, I agree with you on most of that, but I think Lake Park is worthy. With a couple of tweaks, it could be a much tougher course. Just imagine this: remove 18's basket so that 18 plays to 15's basket. 15 now plays to 16's basket. move 17's teepad back about 100 feet and left. find a place for another hole to replace 16 (I've got a few ideas)... and you've already raised course par by about 2 strokes. Hole 8's tee can be moved back easily, #5 and #9 have already been lengthened in the past year, and that just leaves #1 and #2 looking for improvement. Fix those and there's not an easy birdie on the course for most ams.

The Vet is certainly worlds-worthy in a couple of its configurations... I've heard good things about Crowley, and Z-Boaz is always awesome. the 2 carrollton courses are great (esp. with the 3 temp holes per) and have room to move things around a bit and therefore improve. I was also making the point that there are many courses available for the large number of golfers that make up a world championship event.

I wasn't suggesting that we're ready *right now* for worlds, but I think we can be in 2.5 years. I'd love to see many of the courses around here striving to make the "worlds list" :DDFW WORLDS 2007! :D

also, Hero... Denton is just as worthy as Audobon. They're hiding a very nice surprise up there near the OK border :) With the Headquarters in Lewisville, we could probably include the Vet's 36 holes in the list. That would give us:

Audobon
Extended Lake Park
FPH x2
Vet x2
Denton

that's 7 courses with the max. drive time being less than 1 hour. Throw in a couple of birdie courses like the Carrollton ones and LL Woods, and you've got a pretty good mix that can support a pretty heavy load.

For sure...with some tweaking. I like the sound of an extended Lake Park.

For you guys out of the loop.

When we did look at hosting Am Words (both times) We were talking about using 3 courses at Flag Pole Hill, White Rock Lake and another course between them, then also in consideration was Autobaun and Samual Park(only set up one time that I know of over 15 years ago)

For a I20 worlds you could useCedar Hill(2 Courses)/ZBoaz (2 courses), Crowley and Arlington(2 Courses) would be a possibility. (throw in Wetherford for a course if you want)

The carrollton courses would not be good for Pro Worlds. Even It streached the course out it would not be good enough.

As far as just and Am Worlds. Lewisville(2 or 3 courses) and Carrollton(2 or 3 courses) would work.

I have 3 areas in Carrollton for other courses. One of which could be set up anytime with City permission but would never be pernament. 3 ponds/Creek very long holes (8500 ft) I hope to use it someday if I can.

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</td></tr><tr><td>DMACC</td><td>?</td><td></td><td>DENTON</td><td>6300
</td></tr><tr><td>HERITAGE PARK</td><td>4800/5300</td><td></td><td>ZBOAZ</td><td>6200
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</td></tr><tr><td>CARROLL MARTY</td><td>3558/5370</td><td></td><td>LAKE</td><td>?
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Houck also tweaked some of the Iowa courses to make the holes more difficult and/or longer

The other point that needs to be remembered/considered.

Distance from the host hotel is not important. Distance between the courses played the same day is important.

If you have to travel 30-45 minutes to get to the first course, but the afternoon course is 5-15 minutes away, it is not a real problem.

If you have a course without a good partner course, play it on a day when you only play one course. DFW has a few good pairs of courses.

A DFW Worlds sounds very do-able indeed! If Z-Boaz were to be used, is there another worthy course w/in proximity for a "2 rounds in Fort Worth" day? Or, would a "2 rounds day at Z-Boaz" be the ticket?

Good points Gary...Vet/Crowley/Zboaz all fit together. Lake/Denton fit...GB/Porter...Audbon/Flag Pole/White rock...

our distances were a little shorter that what Iowa had this year, but you were there. What do you think about the previous "world class course" post? I think our courses can challenge with the best of them.

One at Flag Pole Hill, and one at White Rock Lake.
Audobon and a revamped Elgin or some other park nearby.
Cedar Hill and Crowley.
Z-Boaz and the Vet (one tough day if the wind gets up).

I haven't seen North Lake (Denton) since it was re-done.
Lake Lewisville could be tweaked a little, Just not sure it could be tweaked enough.

Porter could be worked a little, I don't think Greenbelt would make it.

Fritz-no, BBO-no, Shawnee-no, Colony-no, Rowlett-no, McKinney-no, Grapevine-no, LLWoods-no, what'd I miss ?

Waco - Beast Possible-not likely.

The beast would definately qualify, but just a little too much of a trip to be part of the DFW area.

Denton is LONG!!!

Cedar Hill and Crowley is a bit of a drive. In fact, what is the fastest route from 1 to the other? I20? If so, then that is too far to play in the same day.

We'll just do worlds and start Houston, then hit Austin, The Waco and then Dallas.. :D

I played Z Boaz - I def. would love to see worlds in DFW

And you didn't even get to play the VET!!!!

the courses in Ft. Worth are too spread out. Z Boaz is awesome, but it's just not feasible to include it in a worlds proposition... unless it was done in such a way that the Vet and Z Boaz were always played on the same day

Duke,
I was attempting to show that there are good groups of courses. here's how it *could* be broken down.

Lewisville
Denton

FPH
Audobon

Veterans
Z-Boaz

Maybe a day of 2 rounds at Crowley since they have so many options

The carrollton courses or any of the proposed new courses could be mixed in as necessary. Porter and the new Frisco course would be well within driving distance. with the 3 additional holes at Porter, and a few teebox modifications... it could be a world class course.

The point is that DFW could be a good candidate for the PDGA worlds event, most likely in 2007. One of the most important things would be making the necessary improvements to a few courses. Getting the new proposed Frisco course done right would be a higher priority if worlds was coming to town :)

Mt.L., you and fore disagree with T.Cheat. on the volunteer base there in Raleigh.

...how does one tell, one way or the other? :confused:



If experience is any guide, the numbers are not encouraging:

2001 AM Dogwood Crosstown Classic (B-tier): 1 non-playing volunteer

2001 PRO Dogwood Crosstown (A-tier; USDGC Qualifier): 3 non-playing volunteers

2002 AM Dogwood Crosstown (B-tier): 3 non-playing volunteers

2002 PRO Dogwood Crosstown (A-tier; USDGC Qualifier): 6 volunteers

2003 AM Dogwood Crosstown (B-tier): 7 non-playing volunteers

2003 PRO Dogwood Crosstown (A-tier; USDGC Qualifier): 8 non-playing volunteers

2004 AM Dogwood Crosstown (B-tier): 5 volunteers

2004 PRO Dogwood Crosstown (Nat Tour; USDGC Qualifier): 8 non-playing volunteers

Am and Pro Crosstowns are held on different weekends, so it's not like folks have to choose between playing or volunteering. These are among the largest, highest-profile events in the entire NC series, and certainly the highest-profile events in the Triangle.

Also:

2004 Sneeky Pete Classic (A-tier): 4 non-playing volunteers

New basket installation @ Cedar Hills, March 2004 (two weeks before the AM Crosstown): 13 volunteers Sat; 7 volunteers Mon

Pouring teepads @ Buckhorn, Jan 2004: 14 different volunteers over 2 work days

Those are not exactly the kind of numbers that suggest the existence of a ready, willing volunteer base sufficient to pull off Worlds. Add to that the fact that you're essentially asking people to make a minimum 5-day committment, and I just don't see it happening at this point in time.

I bet we could get some volunteers in DFW :D