Tournament style sucks for home games because if you get one bad beat your out for the entire night. Its just a stupid way to play home games and its not a great way to make money unless the tournament have like 20 people and over a 20 dollar buy in. 10 person tournaments just arent worth it.



Steve, 10 person tourneys are fine as long as you have a place for the guys that bust out to play. They can run a ring game until the tourney finishes, then start another tourney. Either that, or get a Playstation with GTA SanAndreas and make the blinds escalate quicker. :D

thats funny GTA ,Tiger Woods

Steve, 10 person tourneys are fine as long as you have a place for the guys that bust out to play. They can run a ring game until the tourney finishes, then start another tourney. Either that, or get a Playstation with GTA SanAndreas and make the blinds escalate quicker.



They are fine when there are alot of people and lots of money at stake but I dont think its work my time to sit down and play for 9 hours and only be able to make 50 60 bucks. I guess it depends on how you pay out your tournaments. If winner takes all which is only 90 bucks if 10 people are in for 10. or if you pay top three and do 50% 30% 20% or if you do 70% 20% 10% or 80% 10% 5%. I just think cash games are more profitable and fun unless you get a tournament were there are over 20 people and the buy in is 20 dollars or more. Especially when we have 100 dollar buy in cash games at the casino that are 1 and 2 dollar blind no limit.

Steve, I like both, that's why I recommend (if you can get enough guys) setting it up like I said. Give the guys who bust out early something to do (Tiger Woods is a good idea, especially if you have the 4 player hookup) until there are 4 or 5 guys out, then they can start a ring game of dealer's choice or whatever that guys can jump in on when they bust out.

If you only have 7 or 8 guys, then a tourney makes little sense unless you have a stripper over or something.

One thing that we are all forgeting is that most of the disc golfer-home games are mainly for fun. It is a cheap way to hang out with friends off the course.

We have high stakes card rooms that I go to for the money. I play lots of $10 home game tournaments for the fun of it.

See the only high stakes games i can find are at the casino. I dont know of any card rooms around here. All i know is the 100 dollar no limit game at Greektown. I NEVER just play for fun. If im sitting at a table im trying to make money. If im sitting at a table im trying to bust EVERYONE there EVERYTIME i play. Sure its fun to play poker with your friends but poker isnt about friends its only about MONEY :D

I wish i had some poker rooms and regular games around here that i could play. Once i get my truck and licsence back im going to start going to the casino once or twice a week.

See the only high stakes games i can find are at the casino. I dont know of any card rooms around here. All i know is the 100 dollar no limit game at Greektown.



I assure you they are there. We have over 100 in the DFW area.


If im sitting at a table im trying to bust EVERYONE there EVERYTIME i play. Sure its fun to play poker with your friends but poker isnt about friends its only about MONEY



How long have you been playing poker? I have only been playing about 9 months but I have improved really quickly. I think one day I could make a lot of money with it but right now I am happy making about $1000 a month playing 1-2 nights a week in the "real money" games.

I like to play the fun games with the disc golfers because it gives me a lot of cheap experience and a great time to have a few beers and chill with friends.

Ive been playing less time then you have but im just INSANELY competitive with EVERYTHING I DO. If its a competition and someon can WIN thats what i am trying to do EVERY time i compete in whatever it is. Cards. Jobs. Disc Golf as you guys can prolly already tell, and just about anything that contains competition.

I think i will be able to make alot of money playing this game as well. I think im going to go and play at the game at the casino. What stakes are you playing 2 nites a week??? I make 110 bucks this weekend just playing 100 NL on party poker for not even an hour and i make 40 in my home game with the disc golf buddies.

I only like to play no limit games. Where do you live and what kind of stakes are you playing for???

Well, I understand being compeditive. I have a similar outlook to things. If I am going to do something, I go all out. Otherwise, I will not do it at all.

When I play the cheap, fun, home games, I am still trying to win but the reason I go to the games is different. I want to win but I am not there to play for the small amount of money on the line. I am there for fun.

I play $1/2 NL. The main cardroom I go to has a max buyin for $200. I usually make between $100-$300 in a night (I probably win money 80% of the time). That is really only because as soon as I win $200-300, I leave. Sometimes I win it real fast and sometimes it takes 7-8 hours to do it. After another month or two, I am going to up the stakes a little bit. I have found another place that has $2/5 NL and $5/10 NL. I need a good bankroll to sit at one of those games. :)

Are the tables you sit at full of GOOD PLAYERS or are there a couple good players and like 5 suckers at the table so you can just wait for a monster win a huge pot and take off??? I think it has gotten alot easier to make money playing poker in the last few years because now EVERYONE wants play and alot of people think they know what they are doing but they dont. Its like Ball Gold Disc Gold and Sex. Everyone can have fun doing it but 90% of the people dont have a clue what they are doing :D

Both. One reason I like to play the cheap, home games is that I get experience playing against bad players. They are actually harder to play than intermediate players.

You got that right. Usually when i sit down at a high stakes table i will fold and play super conservative till i learn who the suckers are at the table and who the good plaeyers are at the table. I think its alot easier to make money off of a GOOD poker player then it is off of a BAD poker player. Your right about the home games though. They give you a chance to gain expierience playing against inexpeirienced players.

Im going to start hitting the 1 2 dollar blind 100 dollar buy in No Limit game at Greektown. I think i can cut that room up pretty easy.

. I think its alot easier to make money off of a GOOD poker player then it is off of a BAD poker player.




That is, without a doubt, the most foolish statement I've read on this entire board. EVER. If you're going to be playing to make money you need suckers(the bad players). Without out them the good players don't play.

I agree 110%.

as usually talking out your *****

Looking for some advice.

I want to start playing Hold' em online for Real Money. I taught myself how to play using play money on party poker, and still play sometime on there now. I play $5 tournament games with friends regularly and want to take the next step. I don't have a lot of extra money to use, however. What site/game would be best for me?

ill hit up greektown with you sometime Pimp, lemme know what max buy in is and blinds, right now when i get the itch to go to the casino all they have is limit, and i HATE limit, the jackasses there will chase everything no matter waht the bet, plus u cant make alot of money too fast, the best ive done up there at the 3-6 was 500 but it took roughly 7 hrs. THe casnio is fun for the environment but i do like sticking to the online poker. soo many games so little time

Well, if you dont have much money to invest, i wouldnt recommend PokerStars.com, because the minimum deposit is $50. But if you have that much to spend i would recommend that site, as it is VERY easy to make money, because you can do any type of poker Heads-Up, where you can play someone head to head where winner takes all at $5, $15, and on up. Otherwise i would try Pokerroom.com, where they have 3 daily freerolls (i wouldnt recommend them because its a long, long walk for a small drink), but the players arent as skilled.

the players on pokerroom are god awful and will be to your advantage MOST of the time.. untill you get busted outta a tourny with a guy chasing a 2 outter and hits it on the river.. which i can speak of experiance because it just happened to me now. tell me if this makes sence.. I have AJ late in tourny i raise preflop 3xs the blind, 2 people call....flop come J44, check, check, i bet big, first guy folds, second guy only calls. turn is a blank card, i bet big again, just to see if this guy really has the other 4, he calls, ok im a little worried, river 6, i check in fear of the set of 4s, he checks to me....he had pkt 6s and boated on river. not only did he call BIG bets with all that on board, but the lucky bastard didnt even bet his boat at me in the end. Thats pokerroom for you, where bad players more often than not get rewarded. im on such tilt right now its not even funny, forgive my rambling.

Sorry, but it does make sense, because you were on pokerroom.com. I used to like that site cuz i would wait for things like that also, but it made me a horrible poker player, and i realized it, and switched sites. The site is full of amateur idiots chasing crap like that, and after my last bad beat (first hand of a 20+2 two table tourney, guy goes all in with K6 offsuit on the first hand, i have AA, he gets a straight with his 6 through the turn and im gone), i was outta there for good.

So, Pokerroom is good if I want to make some money, but I probably won't make a lot. Sounds OK to me for now. I'll give it a try. Thanks for the warning about people playing stupid on there, I'll make sure to watch for that.

I signed up there but haven't deposited anything yet. I saw that they have some Freeroll tournaments and had a $1 buy-in, $2500 tournament coming soon. Any other sites got any good free/cheap tournaments? I think of myself as a better tournament style player than cash game player, and would rather play tournaments. Since I'm a poor college student, I don't mind spending a lot of time for a relatively small amount of money.

Luke, one thing I don't like about Pokerroom is how you can lose your seat at a table if you get disconnected. That can really screw you if you are at a juicy table and there's a wait list, since you'll have to get on the bottom of the list to get back on the table. This happens even on short (less than 2 minutes) disconnects.

I have never had that problem on either PokerStars, Planet Poker, Party Poker, or Ultimate Bet.

Pokerstars has the best tournament structure of the bunch, but Party probably has the worst players (which you will need to build your stack with, since it becomes a crapshoot in the later stages when the blinds go thru the roof). UB has a good structure as well. Planet used to, but they havent gotten their new tourney software up to speed yet.

Pokerstars has great little tournaments called sit-n-go's.

There are 1 table (9 players) and 2 table (18 players) varieties. They sort of work like a DG tourney. In a 1table they pay the top 3 finnishers and the top 4 in a 2table.

For each variety you can sit down for $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100. each player gets $1500 in chips and you play til there is a winner. I usually play a $5 1table and it typically takes about an hour to determine a winner. They fill one of these tables about every 45 seconds.

The bad thing about Pokerroom.com's freerolls is that its a long, long walk for a small drink of water.

yea the freerolls are ***, you can spen 4hrs just to try and win 100 bucks i think it is, not really worth it, but there players points tournies are pretty good....well i take that back, the 6000 major is a good one. i think im gonna head to pokerstars this week after hearing you guys rave about it... collosseum is a pretty good site as well.. if someone wants to send me a refer a friend to some sites we can take advantage of there offers, email is kcRhyno@yahoo.com Ryan Westa is my name

Another cool thing about PokerStars is that they have this USA Cup coming up in a couple weeks or so, where players play only against other players in their state for a chance to represent their state against the tops of others to represent the USA in some huge tournament. It may be a long shot, but it would be cool to win your own state!

Online poker SUCKS! I have not played it for a month and I am fine with it. I may try Empire Poker because I got a $100 bonus for it with no minimum raked hands. Too many opportunities for bad beats and I love reading people across the table.

party poker has a 50% bonus good for the next couple days, up to $100. Might take advantage of this.

I'm in the process of clearing a 30% bonus at Ultimate Bet. THey have a nice deal where if you are the first or second player at a table you earn double bonus points, so it clears much faster. I was in the mood to play some Crazy Pineapple, so I figured I'd do some bonus ho'ing. :D

If you want to improve your online game, this is the site to be at. For the most part, the players are GOOD. Nothing at all like Party/Empire/Pacific players.

does anyone wanna send me a refer a friend so we can both get some bonuses, i installed the software for UB and PokerStars, i just wanted to help a fellow discer out. kcrhyno@yahoo.com

Ryan, you've got mail. My Ultimate Bet nick is JDLush (same as everywhere). Let me know if you are gonna play there, maybe we can meet up and start a table for double the points or something. I think you get a 50% bonus this way, pretty nice.

If pokerstars has a referral program I can't find it. They might not do that.

Online poker SUCKS! I have not played it for a month and I am fine with it. I may try Empire Poker because I got a $100 bonus for it with no minimum raked hands. Too many opportunities for bad beats and I love reading people across the table.



Im with Kid Roc on this. There are too many SH!TTY ***** players online and the bad beats are FREAKIN OUT OF CONTROL. I had a guy call me all the way to the river with NOTHING and I bet the pot on the flop and on the turn and he still called and his his 1 in a million flush on the end with a J9. Party Poker blows and im assuming all online is the same because you have so many SH!TTY players playing. :mad:

obviously he didn't have nothing... he had a flush draw

he got the draw on the turn. Are you going to play a draw when i bet 50 dollars on the turn??? with no other out but a diamond.

Pimp, what kind of deck were you using that his flush draw was a one in a million shot? Ok, just kidding on that one.

While it's not wise to call a pot sized bet (laying you 2:1 odds) on the turn on a flush draw (roughly 4.5:1 odds), guys will do it all the time. Was it a low board as well? In that case he might have had overcard outs (or thought he did at least) on top of the flush draw, which makes his call a little better. Not good, but closer.

If you had him beat, were charging him for his draw, and he called you down then don't worry about it. Over the long run you'll end up ahead. If you can't handle a few beats like this then check your bankroll, you may be overextending yourself.

The board was Q 10 5 and i had Q 10 in the pocket. He ended up having J 7 suited and hit the flush on the river. Thats just bad poker playing by him there. Im just saying its starting to get out of hand how many bad players there are on party poker. I mean im down on party poker like 300 in the past month and in face to face games i usually clean up. I think once i get my license back and i want to play cards im going to drive to the casino instead of sittin in front of the computer.

I think im going to start a 1000 dollar bank roll here next month and only play face to face games with it and see how that goes.

7 Days till i leave for Vegas!!!!!!!!! Maybe i can make some bank at the Poker tables there :D

I mean seriously who goes for the runner runner draw when i make a pot sized bet???

I'll be a the Bellagio in nine days, bring some of that bankroll on over!

Seriously though, check allvegaspoker.com. There are reasonable tournaments everwhere. Maybe we can make a last longer bet.

I leave on that monday so it would have to be sunday night somewhere. I think im going to try and sit at some 200 dollar buy in No Limit tables if i can find any. Ill prolly be staying at Harrahs saturday and sunday nite.

Definitely bad play on his part pimp, but you played it right. Keep charging those guys and you'll get paid off, don't sweat it.

I was playing stud hi/lo last night and lost the following hands:

I have a king high flush after 5th street - lose to an ace high flush that hit on the river.

I have a 6532A for low, lose to 6432A.

I have a straight to the 7, lose high to a full house, low to a 6.

I have A234 on 4th street with 3 hearts, betting is capped all the way through to 7th, I never make a low or flush.

Still ended up for the night, but it coulda been a lot better. Cards happen.

Bellagio spreads a $200min/max NL game. Its supposed to be the most popular NL game in town. I get off the plane at 8am and will be sitting in it by 9:30 if all goes well. It is a tough game but hopefully there'll still be some zombies sitting. If there aren't any drunks left I'll probably move over to the 8/16 games.

Pimp what cash level are you playing at online? If youre playing in the cheap seats, like .50-1 you need to move up, i find theres alot better poker in 1-2 5-10, i played in 2-4 a few times and theyre for some reaason as bad as the .25-.50 tables.

Im playing 100 dollar No Limit.

I think its just party poker. When a poker site has TV adds its bound to attract ***** ***** players that just have money to burn.

Online poker does suck, but when you live in Iowa City and the nearest casino is like 500 miles away, you dont have any other options. I win every time i play with friends and their friends, so the only way i get to play is online. You wanna talk bad beats? On pokerstars yesterday i lost $37 dollars in one hand, i flopped AAA KK, dude calls and gets a Royal on the TURN. Ouch. Ive never laughed so hard in my life!

Hey, we could hit up Tama or Dubuque...
but then again I'm banned from Tama, so maybe just dubuque :D

Aaron, there's a poker room in the QC...just 45 minutes away. Tournaments on Tuesday and Wednesday. The only thing no limit is the tourny. The normal games are 3-6 Hold 'em, 5-10,6-12,10-20, Omaha and Hold'em and on the weekends they have 20-40 Dealer's Choice (choices are Omaha or Hold'em)

allright dan i used u as my refer a friend on UB, you should get a 100 bucks for it as soon as i collect enough points. already recieved a bad beat first hand i played on UB though,, flopped the nut straight went ai with 25 bucks, trip 5s called and hit a boat when the board paird.

No problem Ryan, I'll kick 50 of that back to you, just let me know when you hit it (here or email dshoward-at-optonline-dot-net.

I was on earlier, played like crap in the Omaha8 tourney tho. Too many beers with dinner I think. Made it back playing limit HE tho. Remeber, if you get the first or 2nd seat at a table it's double the points. Even more for the 6 max tables.

6 bad beats in 1 night. Sometimes I just pick the wrong seat.

. Remeber, if you get the first or 2nd seat at a table it's double the points. Even more for the 6 max tables.



what exactly does that mean, ive only been on the site for an hour or so playn stud, i was at the casnio last night and today for 13 hrs or so, so i havent been on PC till just now, im not quite sure of the points system at UB

Ryan, they calculate the points based on the percentage of the rake you would have put in the pot. You don't have to call the blind, just be sitting in at the table for it to count. When you are the first or second one at a table they give you double the normal points. If you are at a 6 max table your rake percentage is higher than at a 10 handed one, so that helps too (as long as you are comfortable playing shorthanded).

Let me know when you are normally on and I'll try and meet up with you. We can always start a table together and both double up the points. Go to www.ultimatebuddy.com (http://www.ultimatebuddy.com) and download the program. It kinda works like aim for ultimate bet - you can see who is online and what table they are at. Just add JDLush to your buddy list. It's also good for tracking fish, hehe.

Just got home from an 8 hour session. sleep is a good thing. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Are all the other poker players sleeping too?

Played a 6 hour session the other nite and walked away with 290 bucks. This was at my HOME GAME of all places. No one wanted to stop playing so they just kept buying in and buying in and i kept taking thier money and taking thier money. It was great :D Cant wait to go test my skills in Vegas :D:D:D

sleeping? im on here till 4,5,6am sometimes longer

dan, you can find me on here during the afternoon, till about 4ish, then at night from around Midnight on out, ive been looking for ya on here, i cahsed in my first UB tourny i played in, took 5th outta 377 which wasnt too bad. love the tournies on here, lots to choose from

Nice! Is that midnight your time? (CST). I am usually on from 9ish till at least midnight EST. Not as much this week because I have to get a room I'm remodeling finished before the carpet shows up, but I'll try and get on.

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The swings of poker can be really hard to handle sometimes.

I was up huge 4 days ago and lost 75% percent of it over the last 2 nights.

I thought I was playing really good too. :p

I just had one of those swings in the course of one session last night. Playing limit on UB, same table for 3 hours. Took me 2 1/2 of them to grind out a few BBs, then lost it all in 2 consecutive hands - when my KK ran into AA, then when my flopped set got sucked out by a runner-runner flush. I then proceeded to go on tilt and blow 10 more BBs before I called it a night.

Hopefully A.C. will be better tomorrow!

Here's a brief highlight of my trip to the Borgata Casino in Atlantic City this weekend. This pretty much sums up how the day at the tables went.

I am in the cutoff and have 2 black 10s. It is folded around to me (first time that's happened all day I think - the table was crazy loose, usually 6 or more seeing every flop). I raise, the button and SB fold, and the BB calls. The BB is about 127 years old and calls every hand to the river if he catches even a tiny piece of the flop. The flop comes 10 4 7 rainbow, pretty good but I don't like the straight draw so I bet out. Old man calls. Turn is a J, puts a 2nd diamond on the board as well as another str8 chance, so I bet again. Grandpa calls. River is a 3 of diamonds and all of a sudden Pops sits up straight and bets out. As I called (knowing I was toast) I looked down the table at him and said, "Please tell me you didn't chase a flush that far." and turned over my set of tens. He shows 2 freakin 6 of diamonds and says, "I thought you were bluffing."

Bluffing? Even if I was what was he going to do about it with 2 freakin 6!!??

The play was so bad overall, on both of my tables as well as both tables the wife was at that it barely resembled poker. I guess this is why the unknowing call it 'gambling'.

I ended up just shy of even for the day (up $22 before dinner, down $28 after). If you take into account the tips on 10 or so Coronas I was up as far as poker went, but it could have been much more. Next time I'm playing NL even if I have to wait more than the 2 1/2 hrs I had to wait this time to get a seat.

that sounds like the 3-6 table at my casino, its crazy stupid. I even busted a couple kids working a 3-6 table which was some Fing BS, first of all dont work a table, second of all, dont do it at a Casino, and thirdly, dont do it on a 3-6 table, WTF.. so i busted em and they got kicked out, hopefully for good, and i hope the Indians litteraly scalped there sorry asses. UBs been pissen me off so im going back to PR for a lil bit, ive lost alot of money in some cash games on UB against some *** sh**, first hand i had AA, i go all in preflop, 5-7 off suit calls me and hit a flush, a few hands later i go all in with KK preflop, same a**hole calls me, this time with J-7 off suit and trips up with Jacks, i cant believe some of the [*****] i see on here.

How did you call the old man's bet on the river? You probably should have come out with a much, much stronger raise so he wouldnt chase...if there were so many possiblities on the board, why bet small enough so he may call?? If you knew u had the best hand, i would have to say you would have to bet like it in that situation, especially if you knew his betting patterns of chasing things to the river like he did. :confused:

but if its lmit poker, you really cant chase people out, theyll chase everything to the river to try and hit anything, lmit poker is as *** as it gets

Yeah, like Ryan said, it's limit. With that many bets in the pot there's no way I can fold it either, he very well could have just hit 2 pair on the river (at least that's what I was praying for, lol).

Ryan, I saw some beats at the casino that were just as bad as what you got on UB. I am convinced now that the problem is not the online sites that are rigged, it's the players that just plain blow.

I won a $60 pot playing $1/2 limit last night on Planet. It was insane. I had QQ on the button and was all set to raise when it got raised twice before it got to me. I capped it and 5 of us see the flop (normal for that table, except for the raises). Flop is Q56 with 2 hearts and I had visions of bad beat ringing in my head already. EP bets, MP raises and I 3 bet it. MP caps it and one guy finally folds. 4 of us see the turn, which is a blank. MP and I go back and forth until it's capped again (luckily everyone else finally folded). River puts a 3rd heart on the board and I am sure that I am sunk. MP checks to me, however. I figure if he's got the nads to checkraise me on the river I'll pay it off, so I bet out, he calls and turns over 66 for a smaller set. Yeah, he reraised preflop with that. Thank you for shopping, please come again, hehe.

Swings, swings, swings. Took $50 on Pokerstars and turned it into $320 in two days, now two days later im down to $90, 3 of the sit n go's i finished out of the cash by one place, and two of those my AA got cracked by a low set off the flop. Wonderful.

no limit table and I lost with AA last night after going all in preflop, some ***** calls with 46 unsuited and makes a straight. How does he call that? I know I'll win that the majority of the time, but it seems like it happens way to often.
I mean I sure as hell will never call that.

no limit table and I lost with AA last night after going all in preflop, some ***** calls with 46 unsuited and makes a straight. How does he call that? I know I'll win that the majority of the time, but it seems like it happens way to often.
I mean I sure as hell will never call that.



Don't feel bad Tator. I had that happen to me twice in Vegas, only it ended up costing me about 1500. Fortunately the larger beat(1100) was in a tournament and not a cash game.

so we playin some hands before the Xtown?
I been studyin' ********!

I don't get it. I kill on the low limit tables, but as soon as I play PL or NL, I get clobbered. I've won 1 sit'n'go, and probably lost $100 at the rest. Playing $2/$4 I can turn $20 into $200 in no time.

[*****], sat down at a no-limit tournament, get big-slick on the first hand, forced all in against two others and a Q comes on the flop. Of course they both have a queen.

what site do you play on?

Just had A/A rocked..........went all in pre-flop (4 handed) and dealer calls with 3/6 of diamonds...........he hit the straight flush . I hate Party Poker :mad:.

Ouch!

what site do you play on?


Party Poker

Jim, if you're gonna go all in on the first hand of a tourney, don't do it with that!! AK is great, but it's still a drawing hand and a dog to any pair. I'd hate to put my entire buyin on the line after one hand with it.

Your odds actually get a little better against 2 others, but the problem is that one might be compromising your outs.

Of course, who the hell am I to talk, I got knocked out of a NL Turbo multi on Ultimate Bet last night when some dope called 1/3 of his stack with QJ against my all in with A6. Of course he hit a J on the turn.

BTW, anyone know who uses the handle 'dscglfr' on Ultimate Bet? I'm assuming it stands for disc golfer, and not 'doug, SC golfer' or something. He was next to me for a while in the tourney.

Just wanted to let all of you know about Dan Harrington's new book, Harrington on Holdem. It came out late last year and is really awesome. It is centered around tournament play and how to effectively play in different stages of tournaments. It has tons of other tips too about just playing good No limit Holdem that can be transferred to side games as well.

I think this is one of the most important Holdem books out there right now, in my opinion. I guess Dan would know how to play a good tournament. He was at the final table of the World Series the last 2 years in a row. That is definetly one of the biggest feats in poker.

Ill have to take a look at that book.
Got a terrible beat last night in a 20+2 tourney, had 78 Hearts, 9, 10, J hearts coming out, so i flopped a straight flush. I raise 50, dude goes all in and i call. (This was of course on the first hand of the tourney.) I show mine, then he shows me his QK of hearts. Ouch.
Then i play last night and won $128.50 in a ring game by catching a straight flush on the river. Phew.

Jim, if you're gonna go all in on the first hand of a tourney, don't do it with that!! AK is great, but it's still a drawing hand and a dog to any pair. I'd hate to put my entire buyin on the line after one hand with it.

Your odds actually get a little better against 2 others, but the problem is that one might be compromising your outs.

Of course, who the hell am I to talk, I got knocked out of a NL Turbo multi on Ultimate Bet last night when some dope called 1/3 of his stack with QJ against my all in with A6. Of course he hit a J on the turn.

BTW, anyone know who uses the handle 'dscglfr' on Ultimate Bet? I'm assuming it stands for disc golfer, and not 'doug, SC golfer' or something. He was next to me for a while in the tourney.



Maybe I should practice what I preach. I knocked myself out in the 2nd hand of a PotLimit Omaha Hi/Lo SitnGo yesterday when I chased a str8 flush and missed (figured that there was an ace high flush out there and I had only 2nd nut low).

Duh.

Started playing for Real Money today. Put $20 in PokerRoom. I doubled it by playing the cheapest limit game on there for long time. Wish I wouldn't have needed to play so long to make $20, but it wasn't too bad.

Now if I can only make at least $20 every day I'll be able to play 30 tournaments this year. I have hope

$20 is better than -$20. Hopefully you keep playing well on there.

NLHE full table SnG on Pokerstars. We get to the final 3 and I am 2nd in chips by a hair with T2500. Big stack has around 8k and has been ridiculously passive. We are an hour and 5 into it and just now hit the money, mainly because he has been sitting there doing nothing to pressure the short stacks.

I get 44 on the button and raise it up to 1k (blinds are 100/200). SB (short stack) pushes in his remaining 2453 chips. How do I know it was 2453? Because after he turned over his QQ and took the pot I was down to 47 chips. So I was hoping he had AJ or something, sue me.

Next hand I get A9 and triple up when an ace flops. Great, I'm up to 150! I post my 100 small blind and see 93o. Well, pot odds say to push, so I do. Both players call, flop comes a spectacular 333. Well howd'ya like that? I'm up to 450. I pass on the button with 64o and then go on a run that was just plain obscene. Every big card paired up, I pulled a set from 66 maybe 2 hands after setting with deuces, it was crazy.

Next thing you know, I'm 2nd stack again and call the short stack's KQ all in with AJ. He gets no help and we're heads up.

Cards simmer down a bit, but the big stack was still way too passive and before very long I am the big stack. About 1hr 40mins into it I was up 8k to 5k and I offered him a 50/50 split. He turned it down saying it wasn't enough (?). I asked him what he was looking for and he said I was too lucky and he deserved more. I laughed and busted him 3 hands later. :D

This game is a lot more fun when you get good cards. ;)

NL Hold'em 6-person... 4 people left and i am big stacked by about $220 at just over $2K. no raises pre-flop, and i'm playing with K5. flop comes 5KK, hello. i check the unbeatable hand (right now), 2nd stack bets $100, i call and everyone else gets out. turn brings an ace, again i check and 2nd stack bets $200. i just call. river brings a 10, and after my check the 2nd stack bets another $200. i reraise double, he reraises double, the fun continues till he's all in.

tilt ensues as he flops the AK, and beats my house with a much nicer one. main reason i didn't see it coming was that there was no raise preflop with his AK. what made it worse was that the small stack (former) next to me said "thats why i folded 555". like that was any comparison to my KKK55. oh well.

Hey just thought I'd mention to you kiddies a yooog difference between UB and PP.

In sit and go's, at UB the blinds go up every X minutes (9 I think). At PP they go up every X hands (10 I think). At the beginning of a game this isn't much difference, but as you lose players it makes a big difference in how fast the game progresses.

Anyway this changes things in the strategy that you use. Playing very tightly you can cash a huge percentage of time at UB. Especially in Limit, before they took away Limit sit and go's. You just sit there and fold except when you get a good hand. So many hands get played at lower blinds that all the other players nickel and dime themselves to death with calling to see the flop and chasing stuff. But playing tight like that at PP doesn't work because with the blinds going up every 9 hands you are forced to make a move just like everyone else.

A bad side effect of this is what happened to me on UB last night. A dude knocked out 2 or 3 people, so he was WAYYYYY big stacked. So he went into what he called THE FREEZE. He waited the MAXIMUM time before playing ANY hand, even when he was just FOLDING. See, the blinds were going up in 9 minutes, regardless of the number of hands played. So with that big of a lead, the fewer hands played the better for him. Smart play but VERY ANNOYING. 1 or 2 guys couldn't take the pain and went all in and lost. Just like he wanted them to.

Well.....just to play Devil's Advocate - you were a huge dog to AK and a pretty big dog to 55 there. Not that it makes you feel any better once the flop hits, of course.

only hands that could have beat me were AA, AK, K10. not many players wouldn't raise pre-flop on AA or AK, and the 2nd stack was betting before the 10 on the river. all indications were that he had trip Ks. how would you have bet it.

Depends. The only way I see a flop with K5 is if I'm in the BB. I don't even complete the SB with that weak of a hand.
Assuming that, I'd be very scared when that flop hit, boat or not. While there is only one K left, you have to assume it comes with a bigger kicker than you have. I bet the flop, but your check isn't a terrible play.

Once that ace and 10 hit tho, I'd be very wary of someone raising into me. I can see calling one, but I don't think you can get reraised here without getting a little damp in the ol' jockeys. I would probably have sweated K10 more than the AK for the reason you said - no preflop raise, but I'd still just call it down. If it costs you a bet when the other player shows just trips then I can live with that.

So I am back from Vegas and Friday nite I won 250 bucks and saturday I lost 400 so I only lost 150 of my own money and it was because of 3 hands on saturday. 2 of the hands I was in I got outkicked by 1 card each time and I had about 100 in each of those pots and then i got a real bad beat. Ill tell you about 2 hands that I played out there. 1 Really good one and one really really bad beat IMO.

First Ill tell you about the really good hand. I get dealt QJ suited and I am on the big blind and EVERYONE at the 8 handed table just limps in for the 2 dollar blind. So i just check it to see a cheap flop. The flop come 9 8 10 and its a rainbow flop so at that point i had just flopped a queen high straight and someone would have to catch runner runner suited cards to beat me or the would have to get a Jack and have KQ in the pocket to beat me and since i already have a Jack the chances of that are pretty freakin SLIM so i go ahead and check to see if anyone i s going to represent the straight or if maybe someone hit a set or 2 pair or anything that i can break them with. a guy 2 seats after me raises 30 bucks and the guy behind him calls the 30 then everyone after them folds and i call the 30 and reraise all in for another 60. The guy who raised in the first time calls my extra 60 and the guy who called the 30 goes all in for 53 so we all flip our cards up and the guy who did the raising has trip 9s and the guy who called has 10 8 suited. So they are both just ****** when i slowly turn over my J then flip my Q to show them the straight. Needless to say the turn and river were no help to either of them and i took down the entire pot :D

Now for the BAD BEAT. I get dealt POCKET ROCKETS and im in middle position so when the bet gets around to me I bet 20 because its enough to scare out the crap hands but to keep the decent ones in to see a flop. Then it gets around to the big bling and he calls my 20 and goes all in for another 250 or something like that. So I am just loving this right now. I have pocket Aces and someone Is putting ME all in. I have another 200 sitting in front of me and everyone after him folds and i say ok Ill call you. Push all my chips in and toss my Aces to on the whats not a 440 dollar pile of chips. He turns over AK suited in diamonds. So now im just praying that no diamonds come on the flop. The flop comes ALL BLACK 8 K 5 so im still loving this hand the turn comes and its a black 10 so still im loving it. I say the only thing that can help you now is another king. What just happens to come on the FREAKING RIVER??? The KING OF FREAKING HEARTS. So my preflop pocket Aces lose to trip kings. I would have been ok losing to the flush or maybe even the straight but to lose to trip kings. What are the odds of that. Pretty freakin slim and with him all in preflop someone could have folded with a King in their hand.

So right there I lost 220 bucks on 1 hand and after that i got up and stopped playing because that was just real hard to swallow. So all and all it was a great expierience and atleast I know i can sit down with a bunch of players I have never played with before and still play good cards. I will prolly be heading to Greektown Casino either tonight or tomorrow to win the money back that i lost in Vegas :D

After 1 day of playing online I now understand what you guys talk about- the crap players who chase draws online. I flopped AK6 so I had pair of aces. I bet(think I was small or big blind) twice the big blind, hoping someone had pair kings. There were only callers pre-flop, and the way the table had been playing I think someone would have raised pre-flop with AK. So, everyone folds but one, and he re-raises me double. I only call because I have a low kicker. Next card is a blank. I bet a decent amount, he calls. River comes Q. I still only have AA, but it still feels like the best hand. I've been betting it fairly strong, hoping to push out any draws. I check, guy bets and I call. What do you know, he got the straight on the river, because he had J,10. Who re-raises when there is a A and K on the board and all he has is a inside draw?

I was so frustrated I went to another table where I proceeded to lose the rest of the $20 I had won earlier in the day.

I got to play PokerRoom's freeroll for newbies(Shark Cage) last night. 1st Hand: I'm BB and 3 people call the blind and the button raises. I bet 1/6 of my chips cause I have AK, hoping to steal since everyone only called. Next to act goes all- in, and 2 others call. I decide to go All- In as well(free tournament). The cards are shown and they all have medicocre hands. I pair my ace on the flop, and no one else had an ace. End up losing cause 1 guy caught a straight on the river.

While it was dumb to go All- in with only AK, it was kind of the right decision since my hand was the best hand on the table pre-flop.

On Pokerroom.com, you will notice that everybody chases straights and flushes, because they come quite frequently on that site. Those chasers chased me away from that site towards Pokerstars.com, the site that Moneymaker and Raymer won satellites to the WSOP. Im not saying PS is the best site, because i have not tried UB or PokerMountain, or any others to be honest, but it certaintly has a real poker feel, better players, more options, and higher stakes games. So if you get tired of horrible beats and chasers chasing, id suggest PokerStars, although the miniumum deposit is $50.

I plan on switching to another site once I turn my $20 into $50+. Should be another few days :D

Do other sites have point bonus systems like PokerRoom?

I'm not a big fan of PokerRoom already, but it was the only site with a low deposit amount.

I believe almost all the other high-end sites have a bonus EXCEPT PokerStars. PokerStars might, but i have seen nothing of it. Ask Dan, he would know, or he might just reply anyways.

Aaron,
You play at pokerstars?
What's your screen name and what tables do you play?

I'll look you up.

My name on PokerStars is Norhas00. I am usually on during afternoons (CST) anywhere from 1-4, and almost every night around 9-12. I usually only play the $10+1, $20+2 Sit -n-go's, sometimes the $25+2 Turbo sit-n-go's. What is your handle on there? Ill have to look you up also.

Luke, Pokerstars doesn't have a bonus or referral program. Party (avoid it if you don't like Pokerroom, it's like that but worse), UB, Pacific, and a lot of others do.

If you are going to open an account at one of those, have one of the guys on here send you a referral email first and open through that. You'll get a better deposit bonus and they will get a percentage as well. Don't use me tho, I've already hooked a couple of guys up and gotten my kickback.

Support the DG/Poker community. :)

My name on PokerStars is Norhas00. I am usually on during afternoons (CST) anywhere from 1-4, and almost every night around 9-12. I usually only play the $10+1, $20+2 Sit -n-go's, sometimes the $25+2 Turbo sit-n-go's. What is your handle on there? Ill have to look you up also.



Mine is Friz-B
I could be on at any time... but not today...maybe tonite. I've been playing the 12+1, 6 man tables (not turbo). Sometimes play the .10/.25 tables while doing the sitngo.

I planned on letting someone refer me. Gets me and them a little extra money.

Played a 14 person $10 tournament game at a friends house last night. when it was 6 handed I started getting a stretch of decent/good hands to play. I played 7/8 hands in a row at least to the flop. In those 8 hands I took out three people, and then had as many chips as the other 2 combined. Ended up taking 2nd($30) since the percentages evened out when it went 2 handed. I started getting stuff I couldn't call with, hoping he was bluffing. Just the odds evening out, but I wish I would have taken the $100 1st place prize. Maybe next time.

Online poker is a bunch of crap. The players are the worst but incredibly lucky. I just lost with AA when 3 people called me. TT, JJ and 55. The 55 hit quads. All in preflop and he was LAST TO CALL. How can you call an all in with 55 when 3 people are all in ahead of you? Yeah that pot was about $400.

Online poker is a bunch of crap. The players are the worst but incredibly lucky. I just lost with AA when 3 people called me. TT, JJ and 55. The 55 hit quads. All in preflop and he was LAST TO CALL. How can you call an all in with 55 when 3 people are all in ahead of you? Yeah that pot was about $400.



THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I DONT PLAY ONLINE ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS ALL [*****] WITH ********* PLAYERS AND ********* RIVER BEATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone catch WPT on TV last night. Doyle was teaching school.He was down like 5 to 1 in chips when it started heads up, and it didnt take long for him to polish off the other guy. Nice to see him back on top at a BIG tourney. 71 and kicking arse.

Online poker is a bunch of crap. The players are the worst but incredibly lucky. I just lost with AA when 3 people called me. TT, JJ and 55. The 55 hit quads. All in preflop and he was LAST TO CALL. How can you call an all in with 55 when 3 people are all in ahead of you? Yeah that pot was about $400.



That's a tough one, the 5s are about an 8:1 dog to win that pot (according to twodimes.net):

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ad 579502 53.36 504194 46.43 2312 0.21 0.534
Tc Td 160561 14.78 923135 85.00 2312 0.21 0.148
Jc Jh 200836 18.49 882860 81.29 2312 0.21 0.185
5s 5h 142797 13.15 940899 86.64 2312 0.21 0.132

I had some odd beats last night, lost with AQ on a flop of QQ4 (other guy called 5x bb raise with 44). Lost with AK and board of Kxx when a guy calls 2 pot sized bets with 52 to river a flush (I think you saw that one, Kid). Lost with KQ on a flop of 9TJ rainbow when a guy that flopped the ignorant end (78) hit a runner/runner flush.

But then again I also doubled up when my KK flopped a 3rd K to beat AA.

Cards happen. Keep getting in with an edge and it will work out over time. Remember, each time you win a $100 pot with AA over a hand like 56s you really only should have won $75 (you're a 3:1 favorite). Count your wins like that, and you'll realize the bad beats won't hurt as much.

Or just do what I do and drink heavily to forget them. :D

Just hit an Ace high flush and lost to a straight flush. Lovely.

Do I still get the standard deposit bonus if I am referred to a site?

Depends on the site, but you always get more than the standard bonus. On UB it's 50% to you, 100% to your referrer, but only 40% to you if you have no referrer. I think it's close to the same on the others.

speaking of which, dan did u get all the money from UB when i was referred by you? just curious how they work that out.

Ryan, as you unlock your bonus from there, it unlocks on my end as well. I don't really have a way to track it exactly, since I have my own bonus money that I am unlocking as well as others. Once you have yours unlocked let me know and I can make sure I got what I was supposed to and we can work out a way to get you back half.

Q: Why doesn't this happen at no-limit?

** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4c, 7s, 4h ]
...
KY_722 balance $21, lost $13.5 [ Ts 7c ] [ a full house, Fours full of sevens -- 7c,7s,4c,4h,4s ]
partmule balance $26.25, didn't bet (folded)
mkmclimb balance $27, lost $0.5 (folded)
bigjim520 balance $74.5, bet $13, collected $40, net +$27 [ 4d 9h ] [ four of a kind, fours -- 9h,4d,4c,4h,4s ]
bigjim520 balance $74.5, bet $13, collected $40, net +$27 [ 4d 9h ] [ four of a kind, fours -- 9h,4d,4c,4h,4s ]

A: Cuz someone would have raised before the flop, and I wouldn't have been able to limp in as the big blind...

If I have signed up for an account without depositing any money can I still recieve a referral? I signed up to a couple sites to check them out before going to PokerRoom.

im not sure, but you can use me for a referral on PR i play on there alot, names ryan westa handle is kcrhyno email is kcrhyno@yahoo.com

ok dan i think ive FINALLY unlocked all my bonus pts, i have some from other bonus' as well but my initial one should be cleard now, i found the trick to gettn alot of points. Pot Limit Omaha baby, im jsut now gettn into it and im really enjoying it, big chip swings tho, and rags become riches quickly. its more frustrating that HE, ive had AAxx over 10 times easily in the past few days and ive lost on em everytime but twice. same with KKxx, you really gotta have the nuts in that game, anyways its almost 7am my time and i need to get some rest, if anyone wants to play with me sometime, names kcrhyno, on every site i play on

dan, do you use netteller?

Ryan, I emailed UB support because they havent unlocked the bonus $$ on my side for you (as well as for Danny Reeves). I still have like $200 in unlocked bonus $$ according to them.

PLO is a great game, you are right about the swings with it tho. It can be **** frustrating to get in with the best of it and get sucked out so many times. Problem with PLO is even the best hand is only a 60/40 or so favorite over a hand full of rags. Try to stick with multi way hands whenever possible. Something like AA36 rainbow is just a coinflip against 9TJQ double suited. In fact AAKK is just a 55/45 favorite over 789T ds.

I play a lot of PLO hi/lo and it works the same way. Sometimes lady luck smiles on you, other times she bends you over the barrel. :(

Yes, I use neteller all the time, I never touch a credit card for poker.

right on, then its almost unlocked then, im in the same boat with bonus money its kinda hard to keep track of with all the reload bonus' and free roll points i have, but it must be pretty close... so is it as soon as i have all my money from it then u can get yours in one lump sum? or do you have to widdle away at it like i do? a dime for every point or sumthn.

Well, I give the UB support people credit, they got back to me very quickly. I have to unlock it the same way you do, which so far seems to work out at about $2-3 per hour if I 2 table .50/1 limit holdem while playing chess with my son. It moves a lot quicker at real limits so it shouldn't be all that bad. The only bad thing is they changed their policy and you don't get as much of an increase when you start or come in 2nd to a table.

Let me know how you wanna work out your return, I can xfer to you there on UB, or via neteller, Pokerstars, whichever. What did you buy in for, $100? Email me at dshoward-at-optonline-dot-net or pm me on here and we'll figure it out.

So, I've been struggling the last couple days on PokerRoom. Washn't to sure why. I had tripled my $20 in 3 days, then was down to under $30 after the next few days.

I went out today and bought Phil Hellmuth's "Play Poker Like the Pros". It really helped me. It gave good advice on betting strategies, especially for limit games. It also helped me look at what I was doing wrong, things I should know better not to.

Pretty cool site to check out - www.foldorraise.com. (http://www.foldorraise.com.) It has a cool 'scenario' test that you can take with some strategery tips to go with it. I haven't signed up for any of the extra stuff, so I don't know if it's a spam generating mess after that, but you can keep playing the scenario thing on the main page without registering.

Alright, so i was playing a home game saturday night and second hand i got pocket A's. Was feeling really good when DH called my all in. Until he flipped up his pocket A's!!!!!!! :eek: Have been playing for a while and have never seen two pairs of pocket A's at the same table. Has anyone else? Just curious. :p

So, I've been struggling the last couple days on PokerRoom. Washn't to sure why. I had tripled my $20 in 3 days, then was down to under $30 after the next few days.

I went out today and bought Phil Hellmuth's "Play Poker Like the Pros". It really helped me. It gave good advice on betting strategies, especially for limit games. It also helped me look at what I was doing wrong, things I should know better not to.



For some reason, i seem to be getting a subscription to Card Player magazine, i think its because i deposited money at PokerStars, but im not sure...anyways the mag helps tremendously, but you have to be playing in higher stakes games and buy ins, all the info in the books and magazines are useless unless you are playing actual good players, not morons who chase and catch...

Played a $5, min. 5k tournament today on PokerRoom. About 30 min in I get AQ clubs. I bet very big, knowing that I need to get some chips if I want to be a factor. I get 3 callers. Flop comes K, J, 10 all spades. Someone goes all-in ahead of me and I call, assuming they either have a straight(split pot), the straight flush(hopefully not), top 2 pair, or trips. Of course not, they have the flush with a Q, 7 of spades. What they were doing playing when I bet huge before the flop I don't know. I HATE CRAP PLAYERS!

It's ok, because I was up $45 after playing on the cheapest limit table for an hour and a half earlier.

I don't think it qualifies as a bad beat if you are playing a $5 tournament. Why are you surprised that someone would play Q7 suited. Yes they should have folded but my 11 year old sister could afford a $5 tournament and do you think she would know to fold that hand? Probably not.

I don't know what your bankroll is like but if you move up to higher entry fees, less crap like that happens. It still happens but just not as often.

True.

I am a poor college kid... for now. At least Poker will be paying for my tournaments this season.

Tournaments frustrate me, but I play them to get the experience of playing in large tournaments and dealing with things like that. This is something I obviously need more experience in.

PokerRoom in general can frustrate me at times. Mainly just some of the players playing so unconventional that they beat me or cause me top fold the winning hand. Oh well, as long as I'm winning $$$ I can't complain too much.

i love the 5 dollar tournies, u wanna talk pot odds, ive cached in many of the $5 multi tables, you cant beat gettn 300+ bucks on a 5 dollar buy in. on PR u gotta play real tight the first hour, then once all the idiots have busted themselves and the blinds are atleast 100, then u can start playn poker with the better players, for the most part anyways

So in a tournament if you had 15 there would be 45 people would need to buy back in under your standards to have 300 dollars in the pot. Thats quite a few buy ins.

No, theres about 250-300 people in the tourney with lots of tables, and a payout to i think around the top 40 people.

I knew that i was just trying to give him a hard time:eek:

Just got back to college after break and found that the school has changed the Firewall. I can no longer log into any Poker Games/servers. :mad:

It's only been a day yet I'm already thinking about the $50+ could have made in that time.

I already alerted the school IT dept. to this problem and I hope they choose to fix it.

I would not be surprised if your IT people tell you they got orders from above to block that. Some "higher ups" are seeing the 'epidemic' of college kids playing poker as the end of the world and will try to stop it. See, if you do well at poker and drop out of school, they won't get your tuition money, nor will they get a few grand for books each year, etc etc. If you lose all your money playing poker, or flunk out, its the same loss of revenue to them. The fact that you are over 18 and are paying for the internet connectivity they provide doesn't matter apparently.

Not that I would know anything about this, but if you knew anything about cgi proxy servers (http://filesharingplace.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t42.html) you might be able to find a way around their restrictions. ;)

I'm going to have to learn. No better time for that than the present.

Thanks.

If I can't it looks like I'll be visiting home on weekends to play online. Man, poker is addicting.

I'm back on. Whew.

Dan- I got your referall and will probably get on ultimatebet later this week. Thanks.

this weekend on Pacific Poker, the guy sitting to the left of me was dealt pocket aces 3 hands in a row, and went 2 for 3 on his double ups, second time he lost to pocket fives when a five came on the river. after those three hands, you think he's pulled enough cards, nope pocket jacks, he wins again.

in my own loss, I finally get some cards, AJo, flop comes
K Q 10, no flush on the board, I push all in, player in lead postion, who called the big blind, calls me. he has pocket Aces. ten on the turn, ace on the river and his full house puts me out.
man I love this game!!

this weekend on Pacific Poker, the guy sitting to the left of me was dealt pocket aces 3 hands in a row, and went 2 for 3 on his double ups, second time he lost to pocket fives when a five came on the river. after those three hands, you think he's pulled enough cards, nope pocket jacks, he wins again.



Man, and I thought PokerStars was fixed!

I don't think its a matter of being fixed, although I was wrong about that girl in Hanson,

Think about the number of hands being churned out by those computers on the sites, something that has .0001% of happening will happen alot more often with that many hands, as opposed to the one (maybe two) decks you have going at a home game.

at least this is what I tell myself to keep from going insane on beats like that,
then there's the hands people call with, like the 35o that called my all in raise on the flop, I had pocket aces, A 10 4 on the flop, 2 on the turn, 6 on the river, I lose again.

I had the same pocket cards two hands in a row the other day, and the same flop came for both hands. Weird, but I guess possible.

I got 23o 4 out of 6 hands the other day. I am good. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Ive seen much crazier stuff in "live" poker as opposed to online...much crazier, no site is fixed except for PokerRoom.com...and if people are tired of people chasing their hands online, then play in a large (100 dollars or more) buy in tourney or high stakes ring games and you wont see it happen

Man, that is a horrible call on his part. Does Pacific have a buddy list? Add him if it does.

Played a lot of Omaha hi/lo this last week on Ultimate Bet. A lot more pros play there than elsewhere (with maybe the exception of FullTilt), it's pretty cool. Some are chatty (like Hellmuth and Esfandiari) and others don't chat at all (Scott Fischman played 4 tables of Omaha to my 2, but didn't say much, maybe cuz he was running bad).

I think Poker and DG are 2 of the only sports left where you can play with a Pro pretty regularly like this. It's pretty cool when you snap off a bluff by a guy that has 2 WSOP bracelets, then get to bust his balls about it. :D

Ive seen much crazier stuff in "live" poker as opposed to online...much crazier, no site is fixed except for PokerRoom.com...and if people are tired of people chasing their hands online, then play in a large (100 dollars or more) buy in tourney or high stakes ring games and you wont see it happen



Are you sponsoring my move up to the high cash tables? :D

Dan you seem to be the autoritarian on poker sites, what do you kknow about the poker engines the use to run the sites. I've read that there are tow different types, one based on a true random number generator, another based on betting patterns. any info would be greatly appreciated.

I've never heard of a site or system using betting patterns in the RNG. All sites claim to track betting patterns in order to determine if players are colluding, but I'm not sure how they can use that with regard to the RNG.

I did read something once about some RNGs using external info in order to keep the randomness...umm...random. Things like the time/weather/whatever can be fed into the RNG algorithm to ensure (allegedly) that there is no detectible pattern. Only one site has been hacked that I know of (Planet Poker, a few years back) because of a bad RNG.

well I guess it comes around,
last night sitting at a 1000 person multi table, into the second hour, got into a hand I shouldn't have and find myself way down. Fold oon the flop in the big blind, just trying to prolong the agony, which leaves me with less than the BB in the SB.
I get 84o, hot!! deciding that I'm beat I call all in, like 200 less than the BB, I get three callers, flop comes X 7 X, i don't remeber the other cards, but I'm laughing cuase I know its over, I needed runners 5 6 to win, BLAMO turn 5 river 6, and I quadruple up and stick around til 22nd place, what are the odds on thoserunners, anyone?

ohhh id say roughly 17 percent on the turn then about 8 percent on the river, sound about right Dan?

Not sure, but less than that.

He's right. You have to multiply the two to get the chance of both happening. You win that hand 1.5 times in a hundred Tator.

ohhh id say roughly 17 percent on the turn then about 8 percent on the river, sound about right Dan?



Figuring those kinda odds are not my long suit, but I'd definitely have been packing my bags to leave when I saw that flop, lol.

I now have over 1500 hands in my poker tracker (PT) omaha database and there's some interesting stuff if you're a stat geek.

I am losing more money in the blinds than I ever realized, but interestingly I make more profit from UTG than anyplace else, even the button.

I also make more after midnight and less before 7pm (probably thanks to the loose west coast players).

My vp$ip% (voluntarily put money in pot) is 30%, about average overall (but I think maybe a little too high). Some guys I have stats on are over 65%(!), but not a single one over 50% is showing a profit (surprise, surprise).

After a bad session last night, I am down $12 to Scott Fischman overall. There are at least half dozen guys that I am up over $50 against. I won't be expecting a xmas card from any of them anytime soon, haha.

If you are even remotely serious about playing online and you play holdem you MUST get pokertracker. Here's another place it comes in handy. I was on the cutoff and it folded to me. I had a PT game time window running (it updates the stats every minute or 2 on all the players at my table) and it showed that the guy in the BB had folded to a raise over 95% of the time. I raised it up and sure enough he folded (SB did too). If pokertracker showed that he over defended his blind I would have known that the raise wasn't worth it, and lost an easy bet.

The omaha version is still in beta, but shouldn't be for much longer. Go to www.pokertracker.com (http://www.pokertracker.com) for more info, check out the forums if you want to see how powerful a program it really is.

at least it was just a desperation all in for me, I don't feel bad about it,
now if I put someone else out with that hand, I feel bad
cause its sure as he!! happened to me that way.
when you comin down again Ceph

I am losing more money in the blinds than I ever realized, but interestingly I make more profit from UTG than anyplace else, even the button.

I also make more after midnight and less before 7pm (probably thanks to the loose west coast players).

My vp$ip% (voluntarily put money in pot) is 30%, about average overall (but I think maybe a little too high). Some guys I have stats on are over 65%(!), but not a single one over 50% is showing a profit (surprise, surprise).




Ha, i finally realized i play really well after i come home drunk from the bars. Last 4 nights, well the first two, i played $10 sit-n-go's on Pokerroom.com (played the site just for kicks) and won TWO tables BOTH nights to win $200, then the past two nights i played a $20 sit n go each night and won those, pocketing another $200...now i can pay for Bowling Green!! I checked my stats on PokerStars, and realized i win almost 85% of the time in the BB, and 75% in the SB...not winning huge pots, but my stack never goes down...

I was thinking anout heading back for the weekend of April 16-17 but it doesn't look like all that much is going on. Any chance you can pull together a big poker tournament???

thats the weekend of schwebby's wedding, I'll see what I can manage, say at least a $30 buy in, get 15 or 20 peeps, sound like what you had in mind?

Yeah, that'd work. I'm probably about 33% likely to make it at the moment. I just found out I'll be back in town for Memorial day weekend.

Good past few days for me. Came home $85 ahead Sat night, then won both $5 tournament games in my dorm room the past two nights- $65 total.

Maybe those poker books I'm reading are starting to pay off. :D

played the last $2 Bs had in his account last night, three hours later, $83. Not too bad, three wins on 20 person tourneys, 2 @ $2 & 1 @ $8. sure beats trying to sift through a crowd of a thousand or so.

No big deal, only a $10 buy in tourney, but three out of the first 4 hands, i was dealt pocket J's!!! Lost all of them too!! But managed to stick around and take 2nd!

I HATE pocket JACKS. Either raise HUGE preflop to steal the blings or just fold them. I think thats my least favorite hand EVER!!!!!!!!

now all you have to do is get some of your own $$$ to play with

I think im takin 200 to greektown tonight and im going to see if i can turn it into 500 :D

I HATE pocket JACKS. Either raise HUGE preflop to steal the blings or just fold them. I think thats my least favorite hand EVER!!!!!!!!


Definately now my least fav hand, esp. b/c i lost to a Q4, K5, and AA!

In big ring games you HAVE to think that someone has an over on your so you have to either play them SUPER FAST and SUPER STRONG or be prepared to fold them when an over hits on the board.

One of my favorite poker quotes is, "Pocket jacks are really pocket 2s in disguise." Guy named Adam Cadle (plays online as adamthexpert on a lot of sites - watch him, he's very good) gave me that one.

I play them to hit a set or get a flop full of unders (which can be worse sometimes since you'll have str8 draws out there). If not, then hasta la vista, jackie.

tell me a bit bout GreekTown Millz, ive never been there and my bro jsut moved down there im thinkn bout goin but i dont know what kind of PR it is and what the max buy in is for some of the NL tables and all the stuff, hook me up with some info and ill roll down there sometime soon and we can play some rounds and and some cards.

The best tables to play are the 50 min 100 max buy in. You would be wise to call ahead about and hour and put your name on the list though. 1 and 2 dollar blinds and the games have pretty good players in them. Let me know when your coming down and ill set aside a day and 500 bucks for some golf during the day and poker during the nite at Greektown :D

right on, whats the hours for the poker room? i guess i can roll down there call em up and put my name on the list then play a round of golf, by that time it might be good timing eh.. ill let ya know when im headn down there, i need to bank a couple more houndo on PokerRooom, first, shouldnt be too hard though :D

Is Poker room better then party poker??? I want to get back into the online scene but dont want to play on Party anymore.

Mills, try Ultimate Bet.

Good Players or what???

A little better on average and a WAY better tournament structure. More tournaments and more options on sit-n-gos.

The other cool thing about UB is the amount of Pros that play there. You will see quite a few on an almost nightly basis. Sometimes they are playing pretty big limits and you can only watch, but most of the time they are playing with 'the masses' at a lower limit table.

Antonio Esfandiari plays $100 max NLHE, sometimes $50. I've sat with Hellmuth at .50/1 Omaha8 a couple of times. It's pretty wild, he will have chat on and guys will just bust his balls non stop. He takes it pretty well, and will answer the 'normal' questions when he sees them (if you're curious, he says Johnny Chan is the best NLHE tourney player out there). Most of the time he plays 80/160 triple draw, tho. Scott Fischman has been playing 2/4 Omaha8 a lot the last couple of weeks (I'm guessing he's preparing for the WSOP or something, cuz he sure ain't making that much $$). I raised his blind like 4 times in a row last night but he wouldn't play back at me, dammit!

If you google for poker pros online names you'll find a couple of lists out there for the major sites. Some are pretty obvious, others kinda sneaky. I added them all to my Ultimate Buddy list and can tell when they are on and what table.

I actually prefer the Pokerstars tournament structure a little more than UBs, but both are much, much better than Party or Pokerroom.

UB has better players which is cool and they have great sattelites, but PokerRoom has ALOT of dead money and is fairly easy to bank on. also i like PR because they have soo many cheap tournies all day, on UB a $5 multi will have 800 people, and PR has soo many 5 multis only 250 or so will play so thats nicer as well. ive played alot of sites and i just keep coming back to PokerRoom, i can consistantly bank on here.

Millz, youve got mail

Trying to recover from a real bad day yesterday. In my 1st hour of playing I have had pocket kings and pocket queens. And all low cards come up both times. Good right? Nope. Busted by pocket Aces both times.

I believe the probability is 1 out of 24 that someone has AA when you have KK. To happen to KK and QQ in the same hour is pretty bad.

I believe the probability is 1 out of 24 that someone has AA when you have KK. To happen to KK and QQ in the same hour is pretty bad.



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Well, it's a month till the wife and I leave for Vegas. Hey pimp, you ever gonna post a report on what, where, and how you did out there? I need recommendations, man!

We are staying at the Montecarlo, so I'll be playing most of my poker there, with a trip to Bellagio of course (it's practically right next door). I have heard there are some other good games as well, particularly the spread limit holdem at the Excalibur (good for the wife at least).

FYI, I deposited $200 on UB to get the 50% bonus on April 1. After 800 hands worth of bad beats I worked off the bonus and ended up netting $3. Woohoo. At that rate I'll be a millionaire by the time I'm 138 years old.

What are the odds of a straight flush? One in a couple hundred thousand, right? Last night on PokerStars my nut flush got beat by the straight flush. Maybe I've played a thousand or two hands on PokerStars and I've seen at least a half dozen straight flushes. That's BOGUS.

1 in 72,193.33 with 5 cards only for a straight flush.* With the Seven cards you're getting in hold'em the frequency will increase. And remember that there are 9-10 people at the table as well.

*From www.vegasinsider.com/visports/poker/poker_odds (http://www.vegasinsider.com/visports/poker/poker_odds)

dan how was taht vegas trip you took not too long ago? lucritive i hope. i was wondering if youve ever heard of www.paidplayers.com (http://www.paidplayers.com) i was cecking it out and was sent an email from them, telling me theyre interested in me joining thier team, but before that happens they want to monitor a month of play on any poker site i choose. im suppose to download a program for it so they can monitor my play.. have u heard of this and what are your thoughts? i can PM u a link to one of the "invited" pages they sent me that has more details... lemme know your thoughts im curious about these guys, and want to know how legit it may or may not be. they also have a rake back program i can get involved in.

Really?? I got an email from them too and deleted cuz i thought it was an advertisement!! Oops.

Hey, what's up guys? Haven't been on the board for a while, cept for checking the MSDGC thread.

Jeff, I had nut (well, ace high) flushes lose to straight flushes twice in the same night, but that was playing Omaha hi/lo. One hand I had a low to at least get half the pot, but the other time I didn't. That really sucked, but it does happen. A buddy of mine hit a bad beat jackpot on a British site when his str8 flush (in 7 stud!) lost to a better one.

Ryan, I have never heard of paidplayers, but I'd be careful. There are quite a few scams out there with regard to rakeback deals and the like. If it's a propping deal then they are a little more legit, but propping can get costly since you're usually playing on small sites that don't have many players.

I have something written up about vegas somewhere, but for now all I can find are my notes on the only tourney I got to play while I was there:

Only got to play one tourney while in Vegas, and it was the daily NLHE at the Aladdin. $60 gets you T2000 to start, and you have the option of one $40 rebuy for T1000 more.

There were 61 players, and the room is very nice. Cool dealers, the players were a mix of kids, retirees, and wannabees with Oakleys. Pretty much what I figured on.

I started off playing pretty tight and had only seen 2 flops by the time the blinds were up to 50/100 (started at 25/50). I got 22o in the cutoff and put in a raise to 300. BB (Asian dude with an IPOD) reraises it 200 more and I call. Not sure if he has a hand or is just defending. I figure I'll see what the flop brings and go from there.

Flop comes 337 with 2 spades. There is 1050 in the pot and I have 1300 or so left. He has me covered, but barely (I was in seat 8 and he was in 2, so I was guestimating on his stack). He bets out 500 which just reeks of a high ace probe bet so I push in. I know the flop missed him and I will take my chances if he has 2 spades or AJ/AQ etc.

****, that was dumb. He calls and flips over AA. Well, I was right about the flop not hitting him. Rebuy time, let's try this again.

I get QQ about 5 or 6 hands after I rebuy, guy to my right moves all in and has me covered. I call him and everyone else folds. He shows 88 and I double up. Whew.

A couple of guys bust out and we get some transfers from another table. First hand after they sit down I have QQ again and one of them moves all in. He has me covered, but only by about 500. I call and he flips over JJ. Now I'm up to almost 5k and feeling pretty good. I steal a couple of pots and lose a few when a middle pair/flush draw misses.

They break up our table when it gets down to 20 players. Paying top 7, I am about somewhere in the middle I think with T6000 or so. I then get to be the beneficiary of a run of total crap cards. Nothing playable for the entire round and then I lose a thou when I call a small all in with AK. He had 66 and it held up.

I try a steal with a raise to 1600 (blinds are 300/600) with A4s on the button but the SB had AQ and moves in. It only cost me another 500 to call, but ended up being a pretty pricey hand when I don't catch a 4.

We are down to 18 and I get KsJs UTG. I have around 3000 and seriously consider moving in with it. Almost any other position I would, but I didn't like only being able to push with 4x the BB from there so I passed. Flop came all spades and I just about jumped out of my seat. That is one I'd really like to have back.

In the next round it folds to me on the button with 8c6c. I figure now is as good a time as any and push in. BB calls, then proceeds to slowroll AA (he was a real deeldo). I got a flop of 67T, so I defintely had outs, but didn't hit any and I'm out in 18th. Bummer.

What Mr. "only pansies play slot machines in Vegas" was trying to say with his long winded answer was that if you're playing the 2/4 limit tables in Vegas (please correct me if I'm wrong here Dan), the only way a decent poker player is going to make money is on the slot machines. The Family Feud slot machines to be more specific. Don't play the American Pride (??) slot machines at the Monte Carlo because my wife took all the money out of them ($1,056 on a quarter slot to be exact).

In a nutshell, those who played poker lost, those who played the skill free slot machines are still spending. ;)

Um...don't you mean "those whose WIFE played the free skill machines are spending", Mr. "I'm down $5 for the day, I'm stopping now"?

:)

i know you guys have discussed some of the online poker sites. i'm curious which one is best for a newbie? i'd like to play some practice for a while before i put any money on it, and i heard some sites have that. plus i need to learn a bit about holdem before biscoe's this weekend!

PokerStars is great for newbies - they have a "Play Money" section where you get fake chips. You get $2000 to start and it can be refilled three times per hour. It's free to play.

Their unofficial nickname however is RiverStars and I have been victim of some pretty bad beats there. Even if it was fake money, it's still annoying.

i was reading some reviews and decided to try pacific poker. i will try poker stars also. is pacific bad or good?

Doc,
It pretty much depends on what you want to play and how you want to play it. Pacific is generally considered to be the site with the worst players, with Party and PokerRoom tied for 2nd. That can be a good or bad thing, depending on how you play and how much you can handle fluctuations in your bankroll. Bad players usually mean more profit for you, but when they get lucky against you it always seems like it comes in bunches and gets very frustrating.

Poker Stars and Ultimate Bet probably have the nicest user interfaces of the bunch (with Full Tilt up there as well). The players are, in general, going to be better than those at the other sites, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

I'd recommend downloading a few of them and seeing which interface fits you the best. If you're starting out with either the cheap $1 or $2 tournaments or just the micro limits then you'll want to make sure whatever site you choose has enough of those tables running when you plan on playing (Stars always is packed, same with Party).

Find a buddy that uses those sites and have him/her refer you to them - you'll both get extra cash for it. You have to do that BEFORE you sign up, however.

thanks, pacific seems ok for learning. lots of 1/2$ tables in the fake money section. maybe once i learn more i'll try some other sites...

I would not recommend Pacific, i hated it. It is also limit only.

I tried Pacific due to a really good offer on another site. I think it's the worst site I have ever played on or looked at.

I would not recommend Pacific, i hated it. It is also limit only.



Limit only sucks. No Limit is so much more fun!

pacific is not limit only.
they have all table types, pot, fixed, NL, plenty of tables.
and yes lots of very lucky bad players

dan how does the referal work? my brother just started playing and i would like him to refer me..

E - depends on the site. Some of them have a form on the main page that he can fill out that will autogenerate an email with a link you'd use to sign up. Others have a field that you fill in with his username when you sign up.

pokerstars!!

i tried pokerstars, but i'm not sure i like it more than pacific. the pacific interface definitely looks better to me, of course i'm a rookie. maybe it's different once you are paying. pokerstars seemed to have alot of popups telling you about rooms to go to, and the fonts were really small.
i did go all in and draw out a flush for 2400$ on pokerstars right as i was about to quit. that was pretty cool!

Well Doc, if you are the type that likes to go all in to chase flushes then please do us a favor and stay at Pacific. :D :D :D

A bunch of us are on PokerStars right now.

Use the menu option "Requests" then "Find a Player" and search for DiscGolfNut.

Well Doc, if you are the type that likes to go all in to chase flushes then please do us a favor and stay at Pacific. :D :D :D



eff that, come play with me if you like to push on draws!

i've been playing pokerstars at night and pacific during the day. i'll look for you tonite lung.
and dan, usually i play a little tighter than that, but it was late and it was my last hand. i didn't really care if i lost all my play money. and i did have a pair also i think, and the cards weren't conducive to a straight.

Just kiddin, doc.
That is definitely something to be careful about when trying to hone your skillz using play money. Too many other folks will also have the 'its play money, who cares?' attitude and will make calls/raises that you won't see in a real money game. Just try not to get too attached to one particular style of play, or expect great play money results to equal great real money results.

If you decide to deposit and dip your toe in the real money waters, you'll find the micro limits to be pretty similar to play money as far as action goes. That will end once you move up into the $25 NL range, however. If you have the patience to play smart and tight, the $10 NL tables are ridiculously juicy. A buddy of mine has about a $4000 bankroll but mostly plays those tables. He says he'd rather make a guaranteed $10-$15 per hour with minimal risk than deal with the higher variance of the $50 or $100 NL tables.

The other nice thing you can do on the $10 tables is play 3 or 4 at a time (once you get the hang of multitabling). Since you don't really need to have a great read on the players you can just wait for a monster all night long. He plays nothing but pairs (looking for a set) and AK. He almost never pushes in preflop unless he has AA or KK. About as basic as you can get, but at that limit it's still very profitable.

last nite on pokerstars i was on a nutzy table like that. these guys would all be pumping it up. i should have done better taking their money, and played tighter.

its all about PokerRoom.com guys seriously, its the best site out there, i make alot of money on that site to do poor players, adn they have the most frequent tournies, so you dont hvae to play against 800 people like most sites.

I play at $25 NL tables at PokerRoom and the one major thing I've learned is that players at that level do not follow conventional poker wisdom. They like to limp with high pairs or even AK sometimes. Many also use blocking bets of small amounts when they are chasing a straight or a flush, especailly at the low NL tables.

I'd suggest reading a few poker books before you play Real Money- you will make their cost back quickly. I've found the few I've read to be an immense help.

I had pocket Queens 3 times in an hour and a half earlier today and won on all 3, including 1 double up when I flopped top set and another guy had the low set. Felt good to be on the other end of that situation.

Tried Paradise today due to a good bonus offer. I hated it. Really hated the trash talk that seemed to be found at every table I played at. Withdrew my money tonight because although I'd like the bonus(free pokertracker through a secondary site) I can make more money on PokerRoom or another site. Didn't lose too much on there, which is why I stopped when I did. Didn't like the graphics or sounds either.

hey luke, whats your handle on Poker Room? mines kcRhyno, look for me sometime, im on ALOT.

AceCR9- standing for my 1st ace on my home course, hole # 9. I've seen you on there before.

was i winning when u saw me :D ill add you to my friends list on there, hope to play with ya sometime. GL at the tables

I play on Pokerroom.com almost exclusively now, my name is Norhas99. Ill look for you guys as well.

How do you add someone to a "friends list" and where is the list at??

go to your "pokah!" page and set it up.

H.O.R.S.E. - it's not just for shooting hoops

If you want to round out your game, there's no better way to do it than by playing ALL the different poker games. And there's no better way to gauge how well rounded you are than by playing HORSE tournaments.

HORSE is an acronym for Holdem, Omaha, Razz, Stud, and Eight or better stud (hi/lo). HORSE tournaments usually have between 10 and 30 minute rounds of each game (and almost always in that order). Blinds increase with each round, so while you might start off with 1500 chips playing 10/20 holdem, by the next time you play holdem (if you haven't busted out yet, hehe), you could be playing 100/200 or 150/300.

Holdem - almost always limit, but rare tourneys will play no limit.

Omaha - 90% of the time it's hi/lo limit (8 or better for low)

Razz - 7 card stud played for the LOWEST possible hand. If you've never played Razz then you are definitely missing out, it's a very cool game.

Stud - just your basic 7 card stud

Eight or better stud - 7 card stud played hi/lo, you need an 8 low or better for low.

Not a whole lot of sites offer HORSE, at least not yet, but it is gaining in popularity. Full Tilt poker is where I usually play it, there seems to be a HORSE tourney there almost every night nowadays (in the Private section, but the password is usually published).

Even if you play holdem 95% of the time (as most online players do), you'll improve your game by playing some of the others out there. The thought processes and odds calculations for some of the other games are different, and you certainly have to pay better attention to the rest of the table in stud and razz, which makes it tough to multitable. There's nothing worse than needing a club to fill your flush and not remembering how many were on the board before people folded.

If you are thinking of playing HORSE and have an account on Full Tilt, send me a PM, I can get you the password to our regular Monday night game. The buy in is only $5.50 and it's always a fun time with tons of uncensored smack talk. :D

There's a fairly decent (and lengthy) article about online poker and college kids in the May 30 issue of Sports Illustrated.

Private Disc Golfer tourney?

If anyone is interested, I can try and set up a private tourney on either Poker Stars or Full Tilt some night, just for us disc golfers. We can make it a cheap buyin if you want, I know Full Tilt will go as low as $5.50, not sure about PS.

We can do it somewhere else if you want, I have accounts everywhere but probably only have enough FPPs to set it up at PS or FTP. I might have enough at Ultimate Bet as well, not sure what I need there. We could do pokerroom if they do that too (but I think Ryan would need to set it up).

Anyway, post something here or PM me if you're interested. All we need at either PS or FTP is a minimum of 8 players, but the more the merrier!

I'd definitely be in. My vote is for PS.

im always down for poker, but ive been stickn to PokerRoom, so thats my vote... however i could also play at UB if thats where ya decide... i can set it up on PR if ya need... lemme know. im still in the process of gettning settled into my new place (just moved to KC) so im on a friends PC, but can play almost whenever i want.. i also know of one more disc golfer that plays on PR taht we could get

i'm interested if it's a night i'm free. of course i only have accounts at pokerstars and pacific, but i could get one wherever. confused yet?

Yeah we should do it on PokerStars for sure. I dont think you can set up private tournaments on Pokerroom. When will this commence?

I'm in.

Cool, at least there's some definite interest.

Pokerstars would be pretty easy to set up, and there is always the option of funds transfers to help out those that dont want to redeposit on there (i.e., you xfer to me on Party or wherever and I'll do the same for you on PS).

Since we have a mix of time zones I'm gonna guess we'd need to start at 9pm EST or so, perhaps a little later like 9:30?

Is a mid week day good, like Weds or Thurs? We can always make it a semi regular thing and alternate days and/or times.

I'll assume everyone wants to play NL Holdem. We can always let the winner pick the game for the next time, we do that at one of the poker forums i belong to for a change of pace.

Post yer thoughts on here and lets get this puppy goin!!

killer!! that sounds really cool!!

looks like I need to learn how to play the other major games. Been wanting too, this gives me a reason.

Sunday nights?

M - Sunday nights would work for me, but I'm not sure if it would cause a problem for the west coast guys. I'm assuming that we have west coast guys that would want to play. Maybe we don't?

I'm in - - maybe someone could keep email addresses to announce when the game will be. I vote for $10.

uncdrummer@hotmail.com

Actually, most nights will work other than Tuesday nights(softball league). Sunday night is just the night I'm least likely to be in a casino. I like the idea of mixing up the games...PL Omaha anyone???

I think a weeknight that no one has leagues on (Thursdays?) would be good, Sundays might pose a problem to those traveling to out of town tournaments and getting home late. PokerStars would be a good choice because even if you get knocked out you can still chat at the table as an observer. We should do this soon!

I am very interested in the idea of the winner picking the format for the next week. Don't y'all get pissy when I pick Stud Hi/Lo. :D

Ok, how bout this....anyone that would be interested in a NL HE tourney on Poker Stars Thursday night at 9pm EST please reply on here. It can be a $10 + 1 buyin, payout would be comparable to the sit n go payouts (i.e. top 3 if it's 9 players, top 4 for 2 tables, etc.)

If I get enough replies soon I can set it up for this week. Otherwise we'll do it for next Thursday. I'll try to drum up some interest on a couple of other local DG forums as well.

interested

i would LOVE to do this, i just wih we could do it on PokerRoom but whatever. hopefully ill have my internet and pc hooked up in my new place very soon, im having online poker withdraws.. any night is good with me as is anygame, i like stud hi/lo so i wont complain about that. Dan, ill let you know when im hooked up and ready to go.

Sounds good Ryan. If you want, I can xfer $$ to you on PS and you can get it back to me on another site (pokerroom is fine if they allow player to player xfers).

Im in for next Thurs, $10+1, 8 PM Central.

I'm interested. Sounds good.

PokerRoom does do account transfers.

I'd be in for Thursdays.

Thursday is good for me.

I'd play, but can't do Thursday nights. Can do MWF, though. I'll be watching.

I'd play, but can't do Thursday nights. Can do MWF, though. I'll be watching.



MWF?

I thought Monday was a problem for you? :confused:

Nice. :o

No, I'm pretty sure that was Tuesday.

This thing on for tomorrow night?

no, it won't be tomorrow night, got little league playoffs and I'm not sure if we'll be done in time. I emailed PS to set it up for next thursday, however.

I almost feel bad. I got knocked out of a PLO8 tourney just before the bubble when my flopped straight with an open ended str8flush draw got sucked out by a rivered boat. Dimwith called with 4 freakin outs. To restore my karma I went to a $25 PLO8 table and proceeded to raise the pot every chance I got on each of the first 4 hands.

I'm up $30 now, hehe.

Ok, the tourney is all set to go!!!

Thursday June 23rd at 9pm Eastern Time - $10 + 1 buyin.

Find it in the Pokerstars tourney section, under Private Tourneys. Tourney name is Discgolfers Tourney, password is 'wizard'.

Please register early so we know how many are playing. Smack talk is not only allowed, but encouraged!!

Would someone be willing to transfer the money required to enter this tournament to me through PokerStars? I will then PayPal you that amount. I don't want to deposit $50 into Pokerstars when I only need $11 to enter the tournament. My handle is 'DiscGolfNut'

Thanks -Jeff

me too. i can afford 11, but not 50.

If you have Neteller, you only need to deposit $25.

I don't have NeTeller. Is it free?

Jeff, neteller is a free online bank account, similar to wingspan or whatever that other online bank is. It's the bank account of choice among online poker players, due to it's ease of use and the fact that it's pretty much free. Deposits are made via ach from your own bank account. THey are no charge, or if you want faster funds xfer, its 8% I think. Cashouts are free, as are deposits from neteller to the poker site.

If you want to use neteller thats fine, but if you want to just have me xfer to you on PS I can do that for you. Likewise for you, Doc Evil.

pm me your email and i'll paypal you the money this time. when i have time i might set up neteller.

Only 2 people (including me) have registered so far for the tourney. Please sign up early so we know if we are still having it. I don't mind playing heads up, but that kinda sucks. Can I say sucks on here? I guess I'll find out.

The game is No Limit Holdem - place is PokerStars - date is Thursday, June 23rd - time is 9pm EST (or is it EDT?). Buyin is $10 + $1. It's under private tourneys (Discgolfer's Tourney), and the password is 'wizard' (without the quotes). I'll even throw in a $5 jackpot to anyone that busts someone with 72 offsuit , as long as they bust their balls about it.

I am the other one signed up. That is probly the reason no one else is signing up... :D

I have registered but it is highly likely that I will withdraw as I have a buddy coming in town that wants to go to the boats for some live action. He's not 100% to show yet.

I fear the online poker. Just does not work out for me. But I do love the weekly games we play. I think Friday night poker should become just as common as friday doubles...

Ahh cmon, dont be afraid to lose $10 between a friendly game of disc golfers from all over the country...

I don't think I will be able to make it this week but hopefully next week.

Anyone interested in playing something other than NL? I don't care what it is. I think Dan said something about winner picks for the next week but that won't do a lot of good if 95% of the players will pick NL. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Let's play H.O.R.S.E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

If we want to play HORSE (fine with me, I love it), then we'd have to go to Full Tilt (also fine with me, they have great software and support).

Doc Evil - I tried to send the the $$ yesterday but it said your nick didn't exist. Could be a case sensitivity issue, let me know. The fact that PokerStars went down last night around 10:00 pm (in the middle of a badly played Limit O8 tourney for me) and wasn't back up by midnight didn't help any.

Jeff, if you need funds xferred let me know.