I recently played the course in Warwick Town Park, NY and all over the course (benches, trees, etc..) was graffiti saying "4:20". What is this all about??

Your really not that clueless, are you. Thats when the "hippys" get together and smoke. Guess they like that park for their activity.

Glad you responded on that one...that was pretty much my take...

ARE YOU SERIOUS :confused: welcome to 2004

I read it as 20 minutes after 4.

Definitly tends to be a smoking reference, but when it gets taged all over the place it tends to be Middle and High Schoolers attempting to be cool. Many students also use it as a reference to hitler's b-day and Columbine

I haven't had time to go to the park in the last few weeks, but will try to this weekend. I am the one who built and donated all of the benches to the course, and it pis**s me off when the kids do this, but there is no way to stop them. I scribble over stuff they write and will continue to do so, but posting this gives the impression that Warwick is something that is not. It is one of the most beautiful courses I have ever seen. I find it hard to believe that this kind of thing is brought up about Warwick though. I can't even believe the condition of some places I have played. But, thank you, I guess. I will go see if it can be removed.

Let me first apologize for my ignorance. An second, let me say that in no way did this take away from my excellent experience at Warwick. It is a beautiful area and a challenging course. The people I encountered were nothing but nice, fine, upstanding members of the community. If you ever have the chance, play it! It was well worth the 1 hour 15 minute drive.

I dont judge a course by graffiti or trash. One of my favorite courses looks like a big beer can recycling station. I spend bout 10 minutes everytime I am there picking beer cans up and I dont even drink.

I understand your problems there. Myself and some of the other club members in OKC put in 18 benches in OKC a few years back.

Now all the benches are covered in graffitti from the kids in the area and look terrible. Pointless vandalism and they are also covered with alot of 420 and similar items.

Not much you can do about it and it makes the courses look bad and gives the wrong impression to say the least.

This isn't a situation unique to warwick. Vandalism happens
everywhere. Unless one changes our society to transform destruction into construction we're not addressing the root problem.

As the course designer and having put thousands of dollars of my own money into the course it definitely feels like a punch to the gut when vandalism occurs. I feel violated.

Warwick is a town park with easy access. Kids hung out in this park and engaged in vandalism far more destructive than graffiti for many years before there was ever a Disc Golf course. We've encroached on their turf. The parks dept will tell you that since the course has been installed acts of vandalism have decreased. They still occur but aren't as costly.

The police police. But they can't be everywhere in the park or in warwick for that matter all the time. Warwick is the 2nd or 3rd largest town in the state of new york in terms of square miles so they have a lot of territory to cover.

Hopefully disc golfers can help with the problem by acting responsibly when they encounter problem behavior. When I see the kids hanging out in the pavilion I make it a point to engage them in conversation as hip as I know how to let them see that the disc golfers are pretty cool people. Maybe if they see that we're on the same wavelength to some degree thay won't see us as enemies worthy of their destructive acts. When I'm coming up the 9th fairway and there is a strong scent of illegal herb in the air coming from the kids at the pavilion, I have some internal conflicts about the "best" way to handle this. If I snitch on them they'll know it was a disc golfer who nailed them. That might incite them to get back at us by vandalizing the course. So I usually try a more diplomatic approach and have a talk with them to see if I can convince them to engage in their inhalation somewhere else. Maybe we'll somehow make a difference.

This isn't a situation unique to warwick. Vandalism happens
everywhere. Unless one changes our society to transform destruction into construction we're not addressing the root problem.

As the course designer and having put thousands of dollars of my own money into the course it definitely feels like a punch to the gut when vandalism occurs. I feel violated.

Warwick is a town park with easy access. Kids hung out in this park and engaged in vandalism far more destructive than graffiti for many years before there was ever a Disc Golf course. We've encroached on their turf. The parks dept will tell you that since the course has been installed acts of vandalism have decreased. They still occur but aren't as costly.

The police police. But they can't be everywhere in the park or in warwick for that matter all the time. Warwick is the 2nd or 3rd largest town in the state of new york in terms of square miles so they have a lot of territory to cover.

Hopefully disc golfers can help with the problem by acting responsibly when they encounter problem behavior. When I see the kids hanging out in the pavilion I make it a point to engage them in conversation as hip as I know how to let them see that the disc golfers are pretty cool people. Maybe if they see that we're on the same wavelength to some degree thay won't see us as enemies worthy of their destructive acts. When I'm coming up the 9th fairway and there is a strong scent of illegal herb in the air coming from the kids at the pavilion, I have some internal conflicts about the "best" way to handle this. If I snitch on them they'll know it was a disc golfer who nailed them. That might incite them to get back at us by vandalizing the course. So I usually try a more diplomatic approach and have a talk with them to see if I can convince them to engage in their inhalation somewhere else. Maybe we'll somehow make a difference.



There are products that you can spray on to an object being vandalized that will stop: spray paint, paint pens, permanent markers, etc. The only thing it wont stop is scratching. The other problem of a certain smell in the air can be addressed by bringing them laced snacks :D

I personally don't mind the graffiti - there's not much we can do about that, what I mind is picking up beer can after beer can, and the occasional condom wrapper. It just sucks that non-disc golfers, for the most part, are making the mess, but it's the disc golfers that get the bad rap.

isnt it the police code for pot smoking offenders ?

what i hate is the bottle tops off the beer bottles

i always try to pick up garbage while i play

lemon lake park in cedar lake, IN - some jacka$$
scribbled in marker on tee signs and benches


i hope when that &*&*(*(* passes out someday
his friends will scribble all over him

just my 2 cents

I remember making jokes about 4:20 when I was a freshman in high school - I'm now a senior in college - so yeah, it's been around that long.

Just in case you are really interested in the origin.

http://www.seattlehempfest.com/420.php

I personally don't mind the graffiti - there's not much we can do about that, what I mind is picking up beer can after beer can, and the occasional condom wrapper. It just sucks that non-disc golfers, for the most part, are making the mess, but it's the disc golfers that get the bad rap.



Occasional condom wrapper? Try going to Morley Field...Disgusting, more than occasional. :(

isnt it the police code for pot smoking offenders ? <font color="red">Don't think so...More like a stoner code for smoking weed :D </font>

what i hate is the bottle tops off the beer bottles

i always try to pick up garbage while i play

lemon lake park in cedar lake, IN - some jacka$$
scribbled in marker on tee signs and benches


i hope when that &*&*(*(* passes out someday
his friends will scribble all over him <font color="red">Why don't you guys try my method of giving them something laced with something else :D </font>

just my 2 cents

Urban Legends Reference Page - somewhat interesting

Claim: '420' entered drug parlance as a term signifying the time to light up a joint.
Status: True.

terms sneak into our language every now and then, and this is one of the oddest. Everyone who considers himself in the know about the drug subculture has heard that '420' has something to do with illegal drug use, but when you press them, they never seem to know why, or even what the term supposedly signifies.
It's both more and less than people make it out to be. '420' began its sub-rosa linguistic career in 1971 as a bit of slang casually used by a group of high school kids at San Rafael High School in California. '420' (always pronounced "four-twenty," never "four hundred and twenty") came to be an accepted part of the argot within that group of about a dozen pot smokers, beginning as a reminder of the time they planned to meet to light up, 4:20 p.m. Keep in mind this wasn't a general call to all dope smokers everywhere to toke up at twenty past four every day; it was twelve kids who'd made a date to meet near a certain statue. It's thus incorrect to deem that '420' originated as a national or international dope-smoking time, even though the term began as a reference to a particular time of day.
These days '420' is used as a generic way of declaring one likes to use marijuana or just as a term for the substance itself. Its earliest connotation of having to do with the time a certain group of students congregated to smoke wacky tobaccy is unknown to the overwhelming majority of those who now employ the term. Indeed, most instead believe one or more of the many spurious explanations that have since grown up about this much abused short form:
� 420 is the penal code section for marijuana use in California.
Nope. Section 420 of the California penal code refers to obstructing entry on public land. The penal codes of other states list different entries for 420, but none of them matches anything having to do with marijuana.
� It's the Los Angeles or New York police radio code for marijuana smoking in progress.
It's not the police radio code for anything, let alone that.
� It's the number of chemical compounds in marijuana.
The number of chemical compounds in marijuana is 315, according to the folks at High Times magazine.
� April 20 is the date that Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, or Janis Joplin died.
Though these performers were strongly identified with drug use during their brief lifetimes and the emerging drug culture after their demises, none of them kicked the bucket on April 20. Morrison died on July 3, Hendrix on September 18, and Joplin on October 4.
� The 20th of April is the best time to plant marijuana.
There's no one "best time" -- that answer would change from one part of the country to another, or even one country to another.
� Albert Hofmann took the first deliberate LSD trip at 4:20 on 19 April 1943.
This was indeed the case -- his lab notes back this up. But this wasn't the source of "420," just an oddball coincidence. (For the pedants out there, Hofmann's first LSD trip, which was accidental, took place on 16 April 1943.)
� It's the code you send to your drug dealer's pager.
Yeah, right. All drug dealers recognize a '420' page as "Please be waiting on the corner with my baggie of wildwood weed."
� When the Grateful Dead toured, they always stayed in Room 420.
Untrue, says Grateful Dead Productions spokesman Dennis McNally.
Spurious etymologies and uncertain definition aside, '420' has slipped into a position of semi-respectability within the English lexicon. Various free-wheeling cities annually celebrate "hemp fests" on April 20. There's a 4:20 record label in California, and a band called 4:20. Atlanta's Sweetwater Brewing Co. sells its 420 Pale Ale in supermarkets and opens its doors to the public at 4:20 p.m. Mondays through Thursdays. New York's 420 Tours sells low-cost travel packages to the Netherlands and Jamaica. Highway 420 Radio broadcasts "music for the chemically enhanced." And in 2001, the forReal.org web site of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services' Center for Substance Abuse Prevention put out a public service document titled, "It's 4:20 -- Do You Know Where Your Teen Is?"
420s are routinely slipped into popular movies and television shows. In Fast Times at Ridgemont High the score of the football game was 42-0. Most of the clocks in Pulp Fiction are set to 4:20 (but not all -- when the kid receives the watch it's set at 9:00). And there are many other instances, so keep your eyes peeled.
However, as amusing as it is to tie 420 to pot smoking and hunt for it in popular movies, the number has its dark side. Hitler was born on 20 April 1889, and the massacre of 13 victims at Columbine High School in Colorado took place on 20 April 1999.
Barbara "4 and 20 blackbirds" Mikkelson

I know someone who gets out his permanent marker and makes a stroke on the 4 which changes it to read H20. :eek:

When I'm coming up the 9th fairway and there is a strong scent of illegal herb in the air coming from the kids at the pavilion, I have some internal conflicts about the "best" way to handle this.



Hehe, I've encountered this scent countless times on my home courses. However... Usually it's golfers! :eek:

Or used condoms that you have to pick up with a stick.

I so much like the title above being displayed on the opening Discussion page as opposed to the prior.

Hehe, I've encountered this scent countless times on my home courses. However... Usually it's golfers! :eek:


It's never non-golfers aropund here.

poke smot

I'm 4'20".

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My favorite time of the morning/day/afternoon, and evening especially.

would one considered taggin the baskets after aces graffiti?

Definately......anything put on anything that is not solely in your posession or belonging to you specifically can be deemed grafitti and vandalism. Are people in this world so concerned about leaving their mark in/on the world that this behavior is deemed necessary? Try motivating the people around you to do the right thing. Try teaching people to treat others and objects around them as if they were your own. Do you go around your own house and paint graffiti on the outside walls? No? Why not? Yes?, then you need help and I apologize for your parents in not raising you correctly. :mad:

MMMMMM........good question Chuy. I would have to say yes. If you tag the basket then it is graffiti, If you sign the basket with a signature or slogan then I would say know. Its all in the terminology my man.

man you must be high :eek:
marking a basket is just as much graffiti as tagging the bench with 420 is :confused:if people think it's so cool to write 420 all over the place why don't they write it all over thier house or thier car or thier own property
i'll tell you why,because then thier property would look like crap.but as long as thier property looks ok, who cares if the rest of the planet looks like crap :(

We are not talking about 4:20 anymore.....I believe matchu was reffering to a signature.

well in that case do you mind if i come over and sign my name on your car ?

Only if you Ace my car.

MMMMMM........good question Chuy. I would have to say yes. If you tag the basket then it is graffiti, If you sign the basket with a signature or slogan then I would say know. Its all in the terminology my man.



Why would anyone care if you aced BESIDES YOURSELF AND YOUR GROUP? Writing on anything on the course is idiotic and sad. We have the privilage to play a sport in parks that allow us to be there.

AZZHOL

We should paint the baskets and benches black...that might discourage people from marking them up so much.

Or...in a more cruel world...we could put a poisonous chemical on baskets and benches that only reacts with markers, maybe with a disclaimer

Hmmm, Black benches in Texas in the summer time.

Hot topic. :eek:

I guess someone that has never dedicated a day to help clean a park or helped by taking benches could not understand why some one would mark on them. People ace all the time and when it gets cluttered you paint the rim. It is part of the celebration of hitting an ace. I am not saying tagging everything in the park is ok. Some people put memorial slogans to remeber people and other things in parks. Usually it is by the park regulars. Vandalism is one thing but disc golf and the protocol taken after hitting an ace is another. I dont think they should be put in the same category.....so Brooke you can kiss my disc!!!!!

well as long as you're not wearing the shorts that basketball players used in the 60's and 70's, it shouldn't be that bad! Black on wood would be better than a metal or plastic bench any day. Just a thought...

Also, I've noticed that if there are tree stumps used as places to sit, that people don't seem to mess them up as much as benches.

The one other thing I've noticed that might help is to put the hole number within the cement (like at Fritz Park in Irving, TX). For parks in the ghetto, that probably is the best way to go since any sign would get demolished.

Where do you live? People don't mark aces on the baskets around here.

You state the real problem yourself: people hit aces all the time. There are too many aces in disc golf. Painted baskets suck. they get your putter all "painty". Write on the disc you ace with, and have whoever was in your group sign the disc. That is the "ace celebration protocol" around here.

I guess someone that has never dedicated a day to help clean a park or helped by taking benches could not understand why some one would mark on them. People ace all the time and when it gets cluttered you paint the rim. It is part of the celebration of hitting an ace. I am not saying tagging everything in the park is ok. Some people put memorial slogans to remeber people and other things in parks. Usually it is by the park regulars. Vandalism is one thing but disc golf and the protocol taken after hitting an ace is another. I dont think they should be put in the same category.....so Brooke you can kiss my disc!!!!!



I don't even know where to begin.
1. You don't have a clue in reguards to my participation in making our parks clean. Why don't you come up here in February and help me shovel some tee pads. Or maby you could come and help MAKE the benches you want to sign. Get the point
2. Your so called celebration = disrespectful defaceing of the course and property that is not yours.
3. If you want a lasting memory sign your disc with all the people in your group names as well.
4. Why should anyone have to paint a basket, bench, or table for you?
You might not think it's a big deal I can understand that but what are you saying to others? I think it says go ahead an wright whatever crap you want on the benches, tee signs, and baskets. It invites people to tag over whatever was written before.

When I aced hole 17 at Moody's during The Red Rock Show. My group signed my disc. Not the basket. All Texans. :D:D

No I am not aware of your participation, Nor you of mine, I was using that as an example. The regulars usually volunteer there time and material to the park are usually the ones defacing them. There are the exceptions of vandalism but these people devoting there time to repaint the rims of the baskets are mostly the one wrighting on them (In my old part of town). So I would have to say that righting your signature on the rim is not Grafitti. We also right names on the disc of the people on the card. The baskets need painting as normal ware and tear makes them look dull and faded. I think a fresh coat of fast dying paint (dont play while its wet morons) makes the park look better. I can only speak for myself and no-one should ever think I speak for any other but my experiences. Now this had nothing to do with the 4:20. Although I am an advocate I have never written this all over anything besides my bong! HEHEHEH. You guys gotta learn to stop taking stress out on your keyboards.

Hey Brooke....You can still kiss my disc.

No I am not aware of your participation, Nor you of mine, I was using that as an example. The regulars usually volunteer there time and material to the park are usually the ones defacing them. There are the exceptions of vandalism but these people devoting there time to repaint the rims of the baskets are mostly the one wrighting on them (In my old part of town). So I would have to say that righting your signature on the rim is not Grafitti. We also right names on the disc of the people on the card. The baskets need painting as normal ware and tear makes them look dull and faded. I think a fresh coat of fast dying paint (dont play while its wet morons) makes the park look better. I can only speak for myself and no-one should ever think I speak for any other but my experiences. Now this had nothing to do with the 4:20. Although I am an advocate I have never written this all over anything besides my bong! HEHEHEH. You guys gotta learn to stop taking stress out on your keyboards.

Hey Brooke....You can still kiss my disc.



How would I know anything about you? You show up a little over a month ago and don't have the B*lls to put your name in your bio.

i dont see tagging a basket as normal wear and tear.

maybe the rims wouldnt have to be painted over if there wasnt a bunch of sillies out there marking em up just cause they have a sharpie.

did anyone tag the usdgc baskets after hitting an ace? i doubt it. why? cause they are pros or cause they didnt feel the need to "dog ****" on the basket?

tag your disc, dont tag the basket. point is the basket is not your property.

Well said Martin, that is the best thing you have said for a while :D The first time I see someone doing that during a tournament they won't be finishing and they will have two letters after their name.

G'day Brook, remember me?

I would think this would be a regional thing, but it happens all the time at Z-Boaz, and I haven't seen it on any other course around here.

ryangwillim,

I'll ace your car! I gaurantee I'll hit it from the natural tee pad right next to your drive way and get it to come to a rest on it! That way I will get to deface it in the same way (or a way of MY choosing) you choose to deface baskets! Just let me know when and where man!

:mad:

The first time I see someone doing that during a tournament they won't be finishing and they will have two letters after their name.



MF??

:eek:

DQ!? :o

No I am not aware of your participation, Nor you of mine, I was using that as an example. The regulars usually volunteer there time and material to the park are usually the ones defacing them. There are the exceptions of vandalism but these people devoting there time to repaint the rims of the baskets are mostly the one wrighting on them (In my old part of town). So I would have to say that righting your signature on the rim is not Grafitti. We also right names on the disc of the people on the card. The baskets need painting as normal ware and tear makes them look dull and faded. I think a fresh coat of fast dying paint (dont play while its wet morons) makes the park look better. I can only speak for myself and no-one should ever think I speak for any other but my experiences. Now this had nothing to do with the 4:20. Although I am an advocate I have never written this all over anything besides my bong! HEHEHEH. You guys gotta learn to stop taking stress out on your keyboards.


I hate to do this, but come on...
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I'm just saying...maybe it's time to back away from the bong for a little while.

that's a real shame to hear that about z-boaz. nothing more scenic than a natual disc golf setting, like z-boaz, and in the far, twisting distance a yellow banded basket providing a guide for disc golfers.

apon closer inspection, i am joyed to see a marking that says, "CARL NERDLINGER ACE 01/01/01"

ahhh. now my round is complete knowing carl hit that ace back in 01.

It kneaded to be said! ;)

Yours makes more sense, Doc. Thanks.
I still think mine's appropriate too. :D

It kneaded to be said! ;)



Know I no your just making fun of me! But I can do it to.

i saw lou hit randy's kid right in the gut with a spider out at circle c.

my question, in contradiction to what has been said on this thread, is lou able to tag his spider AND randy's son? or will the emotional scar be enough for everyone else to know that lou nailed his whittle ***?

ps. is that child abuse or vandalism? black ace?

you are so mean, lou. :D

I never claimed to be an English major. Just giving my opinion and I'm sorry if you feel like you are better for shooting mine down. I will sign and you will not. You think thats makes you better, thats your opinion.

Hey Chris!
Hows it going? Next year I will be living 5 min from Hudson Mills. It would be great to have you and any other Texans over for a BBQ during DGLO. It was cool playing with you at RRS.

Way to go with all the charity work you rock!

No I am not aware of your participation, Nor you of mine, I was using that as an example. The regulars usually volunteer there time and material to the park are usually the ones defacing them. There are the exceptions of vandalism but these people devoting there time to repaint the rims of the baskets are mostly the one wrighting on them (In my old part of town). So I would have to say that righting your signature on the rim is not Grafitti.



That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. So if I help you move or help paint your house you're saying that would give me the right to vandalize your house or trash your apartment? Volunteering does not give you the right to vandalize public property.

I will sign and you will not.



basically, you are saying you vandalize and will vandalize as others wont. even after you heard from others how they hate to see that junk on their course(s)?

do you ever play round rock? i think those guys are pretty tame about marking their baskets. ;)

good luck and may your first child be born with Mr T. ACED YOUR WIFE *insert child's birth here* :eek: ;)

man, that was soo wrong on so many levels but too good to re-word.

come on down to ROUND ROCK and mark one of our baskets.
Good way to lose a finger :D

Maybe we should just let the police tell you it is vandalism.

They can also allow you to spend some time in the lockup for other illegal substances. Maybe with your time inside you will learn to speak English.

Which part of vandalism don't you understand you annonymous *******. If any course around Austin gets pulled for this offence then guess who everyone is coming after?

There is no where to mark on round rocks baskets. Maybe you could sign the marker on top but that would'nt look good. Nope, I was only talking about the baskets in Houston with the yellow band on top. I only pointed out the actions of regulars in Houston so Blow me. If anyone wants to start a physical confrontation while someone signs a basket, they are the ones that make discgolfers look bad. So to all you fools talking shmack, bring it. I have said it before and will continue, makes my day go by at work and raises my post count.

Whoa.... the Aussie's gettin' testy. :eek:

Moffitt in Houston just recently got a fresh paint job to clean up the ace graffiti.

come on down to ROUND ROCK and mark one of our baskets.
Good way to lose a finger :D



its simple , if its not yours do not F__k with it..!!

Whoa.... the Aussie's gettin' testy. :eek:

Moffitt in Houston just recently got a fresh paint job to clean up the ace graffiti.



I know I saw how nice they looked over the weekend. Moffits baskets are always nice and bright because of repainting them. Now I hope Isiah or Jeff R. does'nt sign them cause that would be grafitti. But for those who hit like an ace a year whats the hurt? Especially when they volunteer!?

No I am not aware of your participation, Nor you of mine, I was using that as an example. The regulars usually volunteer there time and material to the park are usually the ones defacing them. There are the exceptions of vandalism but these people devoting there time to repaint the rims of the baskets are mostly the one wrighting on them (In my old part of town). So I would have to say that righting your signature on the rim is not Grafitti. We also right names on the disc of the people on the card. The baskets need painting as normal ware and tear makes them look dull and faded. I think a fresh coat of fast dying paint (dont play while its wet morons) makes the park look better. I can only speak for myself and no-one should ever think I speak for any other but my experiences. Now this had nothing to do with the 4:20. Although I am an advocate I have never written this all over anything besides my bong! HEHEHEH. You guys gotta learn to stop taking stress out on your keyboards.


I hate to do this, but come on...
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I'm just saying...maybe it's time to back away from the bong for a little while.



THANK YOU ROOSTER!

You got it Bender :p Lack of sleep has that effect on me. I would love to see this guy play the Texas 10 finals. He is the sort of guy that would hit the $25K Hole in One and not pay into the ace pot. Now that would be funny :D

I however would drop everything to see this idiot take on Vinnie. I would bet my left eye on it :D

I know I saw how nice they looked over the weekend. Moffits baskets are always nice and bright because of repainting them. Now I hope Isiah or Jeff R. does'nt sign them cause that would be grafitti. But for those who hit like an ace a year whats the hurt? Especially when they volunteer!?



Are you really that dense?!?!?!?!?

It doesn't matter if it's once a year or multiple times a week. Tagging the basket is (and will always be) vandalism. Respect that which doesn't belong to you.

Lemme guess, you also believe that cigarette butts are so small that it doesn't hurt to toss them on the ground?

So to all you fools talking shmack, bring it. I have said it before and will continue, makes my day go by at work...



Bring it? We don't know where to bring it. 'Cause you haven't man'ed up and included your name in your profile. Seriously, if you're going to have any credibility in this community, you gotta let us at least know who you are.

Do you ever play the Tuesday mini at Pease Park? What's your home course now that you're here in A-town?


...and raises my post count.

In all things in life, you should strive for quality over quantity. That axiom holds especially true in this forum.

I never claimed to be an English major. Just giving my opinion and I'm sorry if you feel like you are better for shooting mine down. I will sign and you will not. You think thats makes you better, thats your opinion.



Actually Grunion,

My English is pretty poor; therefore, I rarely criticize others for their writing. Your post was so bad that I could barely understand what you had written. If your message is important to you, take the time to spell check and think a little about what you've written.

I would bet my left eye on it :D



Now that is funny!!!! :D

I am payed into ace pot.

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Its not the paper or the cotton that makes it littering, its the tar left behind. Why yes I do throw them on the ground and so does every other smoker I know. Now its just sounding like the pot calling the kettle black. I bet everyone in this thread sign the basket on his / her first ace did'nt you?

I see a lot of signatures on baskets in Houston - never have understood it. Not even because the vandalism involved (although I hate that); simply because an ace is such a small measure of success in this sport. It sort of reminds me of the tailor who claimed seven with one blow. Everyone thought he meant giants but he was talking flies. Come back to me and brag when you've won a Supertour or an NT...

RELAX! you guys are letting Mike get the best of you. Silly Mike, you know better than this.. you will meet these guys soon enough so it is probably best to play nice. Like good disc golfers are supposed to. btw....

there is a lot of stuff at moffit that does not belong, (good thing the homeless dont mark... doh! I think I stepped in one of there markings the other day)

No,

Nottingham, original hole 11 go look. Never have, never will.

Its not the paper or the cotton that makes it littering, its the tar left behind. Why yes I do throw them on the ground and so does every other smoker I know. Now its just sounding like the pot calling the kettle black. I bet everyone in this thread sign the basket on his / her first ace did'nt you?



Uh, actually, the paper is very much litter.Now I know why you withhold your name (http://www.dontmesswithtexas.org/report_a_litterer.php).

I know a lot of smokers who field strip their butts and pack them out. And I've never tagged a basket after one of my aces. Nor have the people I've played with when they aced.

While we have Chris riled up...I want my 2cents...Grunion - Though we may have never played together...check my bag if you make the finals...all cigarette butts go in the end small pocket...NONE on the ground...and as far as the basket...NO...I have never signed one..that is what the 14 discs on my wall covered in Sharpie are for.

Plain Vandalism...how can people not see that.

Next time I am throwing a disc at your auto...it I hit it...I am signing it...

See you soon Chris and Tony...can't wait..the lake was perfect Saturday morning, so by finals time it will be 50's and windy :D

Its not the paper or the cotton that makes it littering, its the tar left behind. Why yes I do throw them on the ground and so does every other smoker I know. Now its just sounding like the pot calling the kettle black. I bet everyone in this thread sign the basket on his / her first ace did'nt you?



1 - Tossing the entire thing on the ground is littering. Check the law.

2 - I know many smokers who carry bags or cups with them as ashtrays to hold their butts until they reach a garbage can.

3 - I don't smoke.

4 - I didn't mark the basket on my first ace. I marked the disc and the scorecard.

5 - And thanks for making the world a cleaner place. :mad:

Next time I am throwing a disc at your auto...it I hit it...I am signing it...


I knew I should have signed that mercedes(sp?)in Missouri City but I guess the mark of the disc on the hood will do :)
See you soon Chris and Tony...can't wait..the lake was perfect Saturday morning, so by finals time it will be 50's and windy :D

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RELAX! you guys are letting Mike get the best of you. Silly Mike, you know better than this.. you will meet these guys soon enough so it is probably best to play nice. Like good disc golfers are supposed to. btw....

there is a lot of stuff at moffit that does not belong, (good thing the homeless dont mark... doh! I think I stepped in one of there markings the other day)



But this is soooooo much more fun! :D

I saw some of that bum stuff, it happens ar MacGregor too. Stay away from the scruff on the right of hole 13, the big hyzer shot. Phew, I swear, one of them died in there.

Its not the paper or the cotton that makes it littering, its the tar left behind. Why yes I do throw them on the ground and so does every other smoker I know. Now its just sounding like the pot calling the kettle black. I bet everyone in this thread sign the basket on his / her first ace did'nt you?



let him man-up himself, matchu. im sure he can take care of himself.

and no, mike, i dont litter my butts and i have never signed a basket before. if you are ever found littering on my card, you will get a courtesy warning for sure!! basket signing or cig butts.

getch yer head out of your ***, grunion. for real.

stepping away Martin :) Hi, my name is Matchu and I have signed a basket before, and it WAS WRONG! I feel much better, I did read a golfers name once on the bunk of my nice accomadations of 27 hours....

stepping away Martin :) Hi, my name is Matchu and I have signed a basket before, and it WAS WRONG! I feel much better, I did read a golfers name once on the bunk of my nice accomadations of 27 hours....



Matchu, a member of VAA since 1999. :D

I said first ace. I have only hit 2 aces in my life and I signed both of them. Now that I can see EVERYONES opinion about this is bad, I will rethink my future actions after hitting an ace. I dont want to **** off the karma gods and everyone else. I pick up trash as I play and yet I get [email protected] bashed for throwing my cigarette buts down? No, paper is organic and breaks down. Alot of people use it as mulch. Still it is wrong and littering (I feel because of the chemicals) but no one ever says sh1t about it and maybe that is why it is still going on today.

While we have Chris riled up...I want my 2cents...



How about this Adam?

It's jerks like this that give the sport a bad name. How about you list your credentials, name and what you do for the sport? I am sure we would all appreciate that.

If any of my sponsors were ever to see the crap you do, do you think we would have everything we have right now? How about all the good we do for charity?

I guess you don't know because you don't give a **** about anything other than yourself.

Come and play a real tournament and introduce yourself to everyone that enjoys what we do. Just watch your back because I love to find people breaking the rules and laws.

How was that Adam? I feel better now :D

I bet everyone in this thread sign the basket on his / her first ace did'nt you?


Nope. Effing up the basket after my first, or any, ace never even crossed my mind.

1. All the Butts go in the bag until I get to a trash can. Check if you wish.

2. All smokers on my card get reminded not to litter.

3. I have never marked a basket for an Ace.

While we have Chris riled up...I want my 2cents...



How about this Adam?

It's jerks like this that give the sport a bad name. How about you list your credentials, name and what you do for the sport? I am sure we would all appreciate that.

If any of my sponsors were ever to see the crap you do, do you think we would have everything we have right now? How about all the good we do for charity?

I guess you don't know because you don't give a **** about anything other than yourself.

Come and play a real tournament and introduce yourself to everyone that enjoys what we do. Just watch your back because I love to find people breaking the rules and laws.

How was that Adam? I feel better now :D



I love it when people get passionate about taking care of our parks and venues.

What Chris is saying is very important. Sponsors care very much about their image. They do not want to be associated with a sport who's players trash public property. They will tolerate it if you bring in several 100 million dollars but not when you're our size.

courtesy violation
Litter sucks, you can look inside my car and see I don't throw things out the window.

most of the litter just might be the sponsors product very unfortunate, I bet litterers don't throw cans into there front yards but have no problem trashing someone else's.

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1. All the Butts go in the bag until I get to a trash can. Check if you wish.

hmm, never would have guessed you for a smoker Gary, I learned something today.

Steps up and Introduces himself,:confused:Hi my Name is Mike and I support the sport. I am not trying to put 4:20 or my autograph on every basket or property. I have signed the basket before and had no idea how the elite community felt about it. I have been playing for almost 2 years now and will probably never try to make money off of it or think that paying to be a member would make me a pro. I do not play comps yet because I feel I have not tapped into the performace I know I have. I pick up trash while I play and support everyone who plays it. I feel I have been a true player of the sport and have put some time and materials into the courses I play. Chuy I have met alot of these guys already. I had no idea about the tolerance level of Ams posting opinions. In know way did I say I wanted to give this sport a bad name or **** everyone off. So I will keep hanging my discs on the wall and lay off the sharpie for future aces. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

clapping on: clapping off: welcome Mike lol

1. Opinions are normally expressed more sharply on the board than in person.

2. I smoke, but hopefully you won't catch me smoking on the course (or anywhere else)in the future.

3. Most tournament players and organizers are very protective of their parks.

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3. Most tournament players and organizers are very protective of their parks.


that is sooooooo TRUE! watch what happens when soccer tries to take some land....

Nice point Chumanfu. The HFDS was all over that. Your karate very good!

grunion, i dont think this is a personal attack on ams or non-elite disc golfers??

the opinions are coming from people who have been playing disc golf and have seen the adverse effects that littering, vandalism or any overall negatives that COULD take away from the sport. no one wants to see a course pulled because joe doe, community activist, drives by and sees such a display and feels that the sport is giving his park, community or whatever a negative light. hence, making the sport look bad. i mean, you dont take your TPS reports to your boss with doodles all over it, "GRUNION RULZ!!" ?? maybe, but it would only be funny the first time.

like you said, you had no idea that people felt this strong about it. now you do and you should share your latest discovery to all your buds.

on a side note. you dont see these things happening out at circle r or red rock. why? because people respect the courses. now, some courses are just victims of the overall public and like you said, you didnt know just like a lot of others out there. spread the word and enjoy a day off from not having to repaint a badly tagged basket.

Mike it's so good to call you by name :cool:I now feel we have a closer relationship. You can learn alot from these distiguished members of your disc golf community.
I would however rethink your oppinion for cig butts. It's about perception even if it biodegrades it still looks like crap. And that is the point.
Play one of the Texas 10 series and you will gain a greater appreciation of what our sport is all about. And take my advice lay off the weed talk it will only get you into trouble :)

WOW...I think we are all mostly in agreement..stop writing on baskets, benches and anything else...

don't stick discs, hooks, ect into the trees...and pick up your butts along with anything else that helps beautify your course..

I don't hug trees, but I want to see them grow.!!!..

NOW..HAPPY THREAD :D

Amen, bruthas!! :)

Chris Himing, I saw a copy cat "thunder" today in Houston... it was a big trailer at a storage lot that said.. you guessed the The Thunder on the side. I get the get the plates for you hee, hee, or try and ace it. lol

Grunion: good to see you come around on this tagging issue.

and for his efforts, on his death bed, he will receive total consciousness. so he has that going for him, which is nice. :D

Grunion: good to see you come around on this tagging issue.



Yup Yup....Maybe the Karma gods will grant me an ace now since I have not gotten one this year.

...speaking of tagging...who vandalized Martin's avatar, or did he lose a bet? [sorry, I don't read every Tejas thread.]

...whaaaaa-Oooo-aaAA!! ['nips' reference, etc.] :D

that is the TEMP avator for team circle c. check me tomorrow for the full blown version II

*see texas teams thread for details*

see <font color="orange"> texas teams </font> thread for details

Thanks; that eliminates close to half the threads on the board!