Well, they are finally here.

Jimmy Porter is getting some tee pads this week.

Holes 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15 are done already. Holes 5 and 11 will be done tomorrow.

Next week they will be installing about 7 at Greenbelt.

These tee pad are 6 by 16 and are just 2 foot shorter than those at Lake Lewisville. They are plenty big.

I feel like yelling like Howard Dean "Yeeeeeaahhhhhh!!!!!!"

AWESOME!!! Way to go Brian and all who helped get this done...we are playing porter at 5:15 so that will be great to see..

They also have some city equipment out there. Do you know what their plans are for the creek or what they may be doing?

They dug out the ditch on 17 and filled in a little on the creek on hole 5.

I had given them a list of which holes needed to be (or I would like to see done) 1st and they did some of those. I did not look at 16 to see if they worked on that tee area. Mason Ward did not call me to tell me they were working out there yet, otherwise I would have marked the areas for them to put the tee boxes and they would have been done a little better.

But who cares, we have some tee boxes now!!!!!!

(hole #13 tee box does not quite face the correct direction, but it really doesn't matter becaue the tee box is way bigger than it needs to be)

Anything is better than those ankle breaker dirt pads....

Can anything be done for the area around the basket on hole #5? It needs something to get rid of all that mud. I don't think even wood chips would help at this point and grass isn't going to hold there.

Any ideas

They put some dirt around the basket too. Of course the next big rain will just wash it all away again. And the next small rain will make it real muddy.

Congrats on getting tee boxes Pizza. Very Nice :D.

It was definately a different and much nicer round out there last night with some concrete to play from. Those pads are huge and were built correctly. #13 wasn't too bad and since the size is there, didn't really effect the hole too much.

Can't wait to see the pads at GB next. I am sure the group playing the glow doubles last night had a blast on them also.

will all 18 holes on both courses be getting concrete pads, or only select holes?

They hadn't hit up Greenbelt yet as of Saturday and still had atleast 2 more that were cleared and ready for concrete at Porter when we were there Sunday.

The city does not have enough money for all the tee pads. I have a disc that I want to print to raize the additional money but have not had time with deaths in the family and bills that need to be paid to get them done.

How many will the city be putting in and what is the cost for the additional pads?

What disc are you thinking of making, Bryan? I'd definitely like to help out...only having half a course worth of teeboxes is nice (considering the slippiness), but now I'll have to bring cleats and sneakers, cause I always slip on cement with cleats and on dirt with sneakers! Let's rasie some dough and complete both courses! Make it a Glow Eagle or TL...that plastic is just like the old CE in my ever-so-humble opinion.

The cost of pads depends on how many they do at one time. Think about it, they are doing 2 per day, labor alone is somewhere around $150 per day. The real cost is the cement. If that gets paid for they will put the pads in. Mason (city contact) did say they had to do more construction than they expected on some of those holes. I am assuming he is talking about the holes off the hill at GreenBelt. I really would like tee pads onthose holes.

But have they provided a price to you to cover the teepads they are not going to do presently?

Help can be found if we know what we are aiming for.

That is kind of what I am trying to get at. Those teepads are great, but we can also get some golfers to lend their time and build them just the same ourselves (and aim them correctly). If it is just the price of concrete, rebar and some wood for the forms how much could we be looking at?

rough estimate?

I don't think the city will allow us to do that in Carrollton, but we could help raise funds.

I was given a price of $600 for one tee pad, but the price per tee pad would go down with more done at the same time.

It was my understanding that the city would provide labor if i was able to donate the cash. I did not expect the city to do Tee Pads this month or I would have jumped on the gun sooner. Usually when the city says something it takes month to years to get it done.

That, and I didn't want to really do Tee pads till the creeks were all done.

On another note. Robert "Bubba" Regan was the driving force for a 3rd course in Carrollton. At one time Tim W. had a 36 hole complex in the plan at TC Rice complex. At Bubba's retirement party, Mason said he would try to keep at least 18 in the plans, but now the park is up in the air. Conservationist keep fighting the park. It is already 1/3 the size it was originally.

I talked about putting a course in McInnish park on the boarder of Coppell and he said he could check into it. I would need to tell him the area I wanted to put the course. I would like to put a championship level course out there because there is no local neighbors that would walk over to the course. (everyone would have to drive to play it, and kids don't drive)

I just need to find the time to drive overthere and check it out.

Let me know when you find the time to go over. I would like to tag along and look it over.

yeah, ditto.

I actually played Greenbelt today. (1st time in a long time)

New tee pad on #2

New Tee pad on #5 - very good, I actually birdied this hole for the 1st time in a long time.

New Tee Pad on #10 - Much needed, even though it is a short hole. That tee area was on the side of a slope.

New Tee Pad on #16 - another sloped tee that is now nice and level. should have had the bird if my disc was just 2 inches higher and would have missed that wall (my only bogie today)

New Tee Pad on #18 - Another much needed tee, the worst tee pad is now one of the best. I parked this one within 5ft of the basket.

I hope to play Jimmy Porter sometime this next week. Right now I work close tonight, Open to close both sunday and Monday, but I have only work the closing shifts for the next 6 days.

Who really cares when you work??????????
Thank for getting the teepads installed but please why continue to tell us all your lifestories.
JS.

WE CARE!!...if Pizza wasn't working for disc golf..we would still have 36 dirts...

Salazar...why the negativitiy?

you've got to be kidding. does it really bother you enough that somebody adds a simple sentence to their post that you have to follow up with a childish rude post. geez get a life then maybe you won't slam others when they share a tid bit or two with local pals.

I got a chance to play Jimmy Porter Saturday and noticed that someone had marked alternate tees on most of the holes.

Today i found them on almost every hole out there.

Does anyone know who did this and why?????

The course pro would like to know.

Some are very close to the original Pro tee's that were marked back when JP was just a 9 hole course.

I had been thinking about marking them again for play.

I would like to tweek some of those holes and mark them with posts.

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On another note, anyone up for a work day on Sunday????

I need to replace several tee signs and do something about #12 at Jimmy Porter. It is about to fall over and need to be dug up and the hole either deepened or moved.

I had though about moving it over about 10ft making the shot a straight one and moving it out of that hole.

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Greenbelt needs some work too, #7 needs to be moved over at least 10ft

#14 needs to be straightened up. Not quite sure how to do that one.

Anyways, I do not have to work until 5pm on Sunday, so I would like to fix #12's basket and replace all the tee signs that have been busted out. I will get the material needed this week. (I have most of it already)

I should be out there around noon.

Anyone???

one tin soldier walked away :(

It's the PGM weekend, catch me in a couple of weeks.

We got hole #12 moved over and not in danger of falling over. The hole is only moved over about 10ft and about 3 feet back on the edge of the wash out. It changes the hole to a straight shot and no longer favors righties.

We also fixed all the tee signs so they are all correct and in now.

My next project will be to fix GreenBelts signs (only a few need work), fix #14 to stand up straight and move basket #7 back about 15ft away from the creek. (It is now about 10 ft from the edge of the erosion)

I would also like to paint the tee signs at Jimmy Porter some day.

Also, I was talking with Cory Flippin (my HUGE help today and yes that is his real name) and he said he can get as many 55 gallon drums as i need, but we would have to go to Katy TX to get them. I am going to talk with the city and see what they think. We need trash cans on all the holes out there. There was a TON of trash (mostly beer cans and bottles) on the course.

There is about $800 left in the course fund. What should I spend the money on?

Alternate pin placements???

Benches??

Save it for Tee Pads??? (Need a lot more for that)

I would like to put some alternate pin placements out there. Several holes it can be done. Some can not be done at all because they are welded to the sleaves.

#10 and #11 I know can both have alternate pin placements. (Jimmy Porter)

save it for more teepads at both courses!

I got a call from the City today. I have a meeting with the Parks and Enginering departments. They are going to fix that wall that fell down on #8. They want to move the creek so hole #8 will have to be moved. I will post more as I know it. (I am going to ask about more tee pads out at both courses when I am there)

Good News Bryan...that wall does look terrible and I am sure it present some nasty possibilites of a lawsuit if someone was injured.

Any thoughts on where #8 may go? or where to add a new hole?

I have a feeling that it will be a wait and see. if I have too, I can move 8 and nine around, I hope that 7 is far enough out of the way for now.

For the Texas 10, if the course is under construction, I can always use Greenbelt A and B or add the 3 holes at jimmy Porter and play around the construction.

Either way, I hope to know more if just a few hours.

Ah, it was a little more than I was expecting.

They were looking over the plans with the arcatect (sorry for my spelling) designing the creek from Josey all the way to Kelly. The plans as of right now will not be started till 2007 at the earliest. The creek will cut hole 8 totaly out, as well. It looks like the back nine holes #7-9, #11-14 will have to totally be moved. At least the plans are to keep the pond.

For every tree removed, they have to plant more trees. This means we will get more trees spead out on the course. The cool part is that the HEAD OF THE CITY OF CARROLLTON PARKS department told me personally that he would contact me on where to plant them. He said we can put them where ever we wanted.

Now for some shocking news. I had been under the understaning that this section of creek was the last section to be done.

I found out that construction on the creek from Josey all the way to Scott Mill was to begin in September. :eek:

This effects the front nine holes, and may make Jimmy Porter unplayable for the Carrollton Open. (I do have a back up plan if needed)

Then I also found out that they may be working on the creek at Greenbelt at the same time :eek: That really puts a damper on things.

I was told by them that the course may still be playable at Jimmy Porter when the construction is being done.

Has anything been changed yet? I haven't been out there in about 8 months. I'd love to play it a couple more times before construction starts. What about the Greenbelt?

I don't have the exact dates, but was told it some construction could start in September. I was informed that the construction being done this winter should not effect the courses, being that they are not moving the creeks, just erosion controle.

#17 at Jimmy Porter was stolen.

I found out about it last night.

please post either the last time you saw the basket for when you first noticed it was missing. We need this for the police report.

I have not gotten my return phone call from my city contact, but i have a feeling if the city pays for the missing basket, that we may loose some tee pads this winter.

Last time a basket was stolen, we replaced it ourselves. It cost me $411 including shipping. (that is hole #9 at Greenbelt for those that don't know)

Aslo, #8 at Jimmy porter had the chain assimbly stolen a few years ago. DDG donated the old Lighting cable top and someone else donated the Chains and Marvin Flecher had it put together and installed.

I will replace it with another DGA basket if i can.

As far as the Texas 10 in Carrollton, we will have a basket there no problem.

I just found out it was missing Suday. How come 3 days went by and no one posted or said anything about it?

Talked with DGA today.

$315 delivered to my store for a new Mach II. Add to that $30 for a good lock. I bet the city would weld it for me for free.

I have another city contact going to make some phone calls foro me tomorrow to see what the city can or will do about the missing basket. I am hopping they will pay for it.

In the mean time, I will be taking up collections to pay for the basket/course fund at my store and anyother time you see me. I actually have enough money in the course fund to pay for the basket right now, but I was going to use that money to pay for tee pads.

The basket was missing for the thursday night doubles last week. But it was there the week before.

So we now have it narrowed down to somewhere between 6/23 - the afternoon of 6/30.

When was the last time you played at Jimmy Porter?

I set the goal of $350 to replace the missing basket.

I already have $30 donated to help pay for it.

We have the missing basket narrowed down somewhere between Thursday night 6/23 to Wednesday afternoon 6/29.

Anyone play between these days and remember if the basket was there or not??????b

Well, I ordered a new basket for #17 today. I only have a little of the money needed to replace the basket. I don't think I will put the basket out till the needed funds are replaced. (but for the Texas 10, it will be there)

Will the extra holes at both courses be used for the TX10?

nope

The new basket came in today.

No pole though, it should come tomorrow (or Friday)

It cost $360 including the lock. I should be able to get it welded by the city for free.

I also did some work at Greenbelt today.

put some wire to fix the hole in the basket on 12

Dug up #14's basket and it is no longer leaning.

Put a bolt in the tee sign on #18 to fix it.

If anyone knows of anything else that needs to be done out there, please post it here.

(I did notice that #10's tee sign has been kicked out. I will fix it tomorrow if I have time, I just stuck it back in place temporarily)

I would like to thank everyone who played this weekend and donated to the stolen basket fund.

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We made the goal and then some.

If I can't get the basket welding this week, Steve Wind said he can get it done at his work when he gets back in town next week.

I would like to make a few quick shout out to

Danny Waldron
Nascar Dave
Josh Dann

These guys all made larger contributions to the cause.

There were several others who gave more than was expected, but when you have people handing you money left and right it is hard to remember them all. Several players also donated some of there prize winnings that I donated to the basket fund.

Update:

The new basket is still in my truck. We are suppose to get it welded this week (Tuesday if possible) Too busy to get it done last week.

It is time to fix minor problems with the course for the Carrolltotn Open. Other than fixing GB#2 pan so discs don't fall out, is there any other holes that need work.

I would like to move GB#7 over some to get it away from the creek. I just don't see a time I will be able to do it myself.

Jimmy Porters #17 basket is now back in place.

Big Thanks to Steve Wind for getting it welded and putting it back out there today.

Basket looks great! Thanks to all who helped get it replaced. This might be a long shot, but....I was out there yesterday afternoon and I found some keys on #9. No one came up to me and claimed them, so I left them hanging on the bullentin board near the tee for #1.

Thank goes out to Cory "Chops" Flippin, who dropped off 15 55 gal barrels at Jimmy Porter yesterday. I purchased green paint yesterday and may try to start painting them today or tomorrow.

Wondered where those came from..Thanks to Chops...

Well, as you can see, I didn't have time today, but I hope to get a few done tomorrow afternnoon.

Change of Topic here....

I put this on the LODGA thread since I am from LODGA, but I am also going to put this on several other threads, so don't get upset if you see this several times.....

Some of you know that Kathy,my wife, and I are school teachers. School kids from the huricane evacuation are starting to show up at local schools with nothing but the clothes on their back and maybe, and I mean maybe, one set of extras. They have no school supplies, and lunch money is a problem. Some lunches are probably going to be taken care of through the local systems, but the others stuff is in desperate need.

Target is clearing out all of their school supplies at 30-50% off. If you have a chance, go by Target and spend about $10 dollars on paper, pens, pencils, markers and glue and then take it to the closest elementary, middle school or high school. If you have kids or grandkids that have out grown clothes take the extra clothes also. The counselors can give them to the kids. Some of the kids are staying with relatives others are in local hotels or shelters. You can also take it to to a shelter and they will give them out.

I also know that some of the local schools here in NISD are going to do clothes and school supplies drives, so be open to that. We are being told that some of these kids could be in our school systems until Christmas or longer.

Also, and this is on a more personal note...I am an animal lover and there are animals showing up at the local shelters that are being turned away because the shelters do not allow animals. If any of you are animal lovers also or just have a soft spot in your hearts for a dog or cat, contact yopur local Humane Shelter and volunteer to be a foster parent to these animals. All you have to do is keep these animals until the owners and the animals can get back home.

Thanks for your time and if you cannot do anything else, help a kid who wants to go to school. They need their lives to be as normal as possible.

I got the 3 extra holes in at Greenbelt this morning.

I will get the 3 in at Jimmy Porter this afternoon when I get off work.

I will be at Jimmy Porter after 5 today to paint the trash cans. If anyone wants to help, be there around 5:30 or so. I may still be adding the extra holes, but will be over there to paint as soon as I get those holes in.

For thoses of you that didn't already know.

Jimmy Porter is closed for now. They are doing work on the creek from Keller Springs to Josey. They have cut down almost every tree along the creek line.

That sucks, but I will get to place all the replacement trees when the time comes.

I will post more info later.

BTW, this will not take that long, the big project is scheduled for a few years away, that is when they will be tearing up the back 9 real bad.

When the construction is done and they are ready to plant trees, I will move any baskets to redesign any holes that need it.

In the mean time, play GreenBelt. The back nine for it is going to undergo the same work later this year.

Bryan - have they actually pulled the baskets at Porter and does this only effect holes 2-5 at this time?

They have the parking lot closed.

Holes 2,3,4,5,6,17,18 are all covered with trash bags and duct tape.

I have not driven by in a few days to check on the progress, (I know I work across the street, but I it is actually out of the way to see) plus, when I was last out there, I was almost crying as they pulled down every tree in front of #5

Jimmy Porter is closed for now. They are doing work on the creek from Keller Springs to Josey. They have cut down almost every tree along the creek line.



Wow... Those were some mature trees if I remember correctly. It will be interesting to see how the "new" holes will be redesigned and landscaped. I'll have to make a point to visit the course when I'm home for the holidays next year. I haven't seen JP since about 1996.

On a side note, I remember that awesome final nine at Jimmy Porter about 10 or 11 years ago. Mitch McClellan and Matt Frank were two of the final four competitors. Matt was crushing drives and banging putts for BIG birdies when the other three guys were only scoring par. Matt definitely had the momentum until MitchMac stepped up and aced a long hole with a nice skip shot. The gallery went nuts. The applause kept going the whole time Mitch walked down the fairway to retrieve his disc, tipping his hat to the cheering crowd and showcasing the biggest grin I've ever seen. Definitely one of the most exciting finals I've ever witnessed...

Yep, that was champion hole #6 that he hit. (teeing off to basket #6 from almost back at tee box for #18) It is a blind shot too.

That shot was captured by the local Carrollton TV crew if I remember correctly, they use to play it all the time on the local access channel. I have never had cable in Carrollton so I have never see the footage.

BTW, the tournament was the Carrollton Charity Cup Classic.

"(teeing off to basket #6 from almost back at tee box for #18)"

holy crap! how far is that?? that has to be like a 600+ft ace
or something...or did you mean #17's teebox?

yes, #17's tee box. Actually it was down the hill twards the creek. Nice big hyzer around the bend.

The other brian rears his head...Mr Cox...thinking of maybe Denton Sunday...still living out that way???

Mitch Mac and another win....great story...I have seen Mitch also for years and I won't forget the 24th Norman Pro/Am..his 1st hole he aces...

anyone want to split my money??? :D...

One of the best golfers OK has ever seen!

hi adam...

not in denton anymore...we moved to irving about 2 months ago. living less than 5min from fritz though, if anyone ever wants to get a round in after work, let me know. we just had baby #2 and we're spending most extra time renovating the house we moved into (we bought my wife's grandparents' old house) so i havent had much time to play...i've been getting in a couple of rounds a week at fritz, though, anyway..usually with baby(ies) in tow.

that really sucks about porter..not one of my favorite courses, but it was one of the first ones i played on when i started. it's always tough to see big old trees removed...sounds like it's going to be almost an entirely new course.

Talked with Mason Ward today.

Course should be open by May 1st.

I asked him about a bridge on hole #5 and he said he will check into it. He remembers us talking about it and he said the Parks people also talked about it. He is going to check and see if it is in the master plan.

Trees - I got the number for the City Arborist and called her. I await her call.

Hole #8 looks amazing out there..the fallen retaining wall has been removed and sod has been laid out all the way down the hill...

The creek work is also amazing..Carrollton Parks rocks and it doesn't hurt to have a golfer working for them!!!

I have some ideas out there for some alternate pin positions, but will have to do some work on the baskets to do them

mmm, drove by Jimmy Porter today and there are stakes where the new creek is going to be. :(

I called my contact with the City and left a message trying to figure out when they are going to tear up the course. I will post more when I know more.

Also, as soon as I get some time, I would like to fix all the tee signs at Greenbelt.

On another note, Ii got word from someone who would like to run weekly mini's in Carrollton. Money raised would go for Tee Pads :D I will post more when he tells me what he wants to do.

On that note, I may have found a new Asst TD for this years Carrollton Open. The 11th Annual will happen somewhere, somehow :D

I just found out that #12 at Greenbelt is missing.

when was the last time you played out there and it was either there or missing.

I have yet to hear from the city about Jimmy Porter and will call today about this missing basket.

Looks like they have moved heavy equipement out to Porter. A group of us will be meeting there at 5PM and will check out the situation.

For the 3rd time I called the my city guy to ask what is going on. Zero reply (for almost 2 weeks now) I might have really [censored] him off last year with the whole not mowing the courses thing for the tournament. He never called me back on those eather.

They are moving over the creek on #14 at Jimmy Porter. The creek was REAL close to eroding all the way to the pond. Looks like they will slope from the pond to the creek.

It looks like this is just a small city job and NOT the big huge redoing the whole creek job that we will not be looking forward too.

So for now, Jimmy Porter will be staying the same.

(except I lost my "disc golf sux" Roc in the muddy water where they had been working on the creek)

BTW, there are signs up for the 3pm mini's on Saturdays. Hope anyone who can plays out there. $1 goes to the Tee Pad fund.

oh yea, did i mention that I Birdied #16 in the air for the first time ever :D

Ok, I need someone to make a map of both Carrollton courses. (I already forgot her name) from one of the local schools just called me. The students have been learning how to play disc golf and she wants a map of the courses so she can hand them out to the students.

BTW, she has been trying for 3 1/2 weeks to call the city contact for disc golf. He has not called her back either.

Please post or send me and PM/Email if you would be able to put something together we can use.

If you get me the hole lengths, I will have .pdf files to you tomorrow. I will make them based on the views from google maps on one page, and then without the background on the next.

I think it is hole # 11, not # 12. could be wrong, but yeah. its still missing :(

Yes it was #11 :( That was a good basket. A little on the low side, but a good basket.

does anyone from the Carrollton area know a casual local disc golfer named Rick Perry????

I got word he might know something about the missing basket. The word I got was that he heard someone talking about it. It might still be in Carrollton in someones back yard.

I would like to get in touch with him for what ever information he might have.

I think he lives in Austin now...

I think he lives in Austin now...



:D

Jimmy Porter Disc Golf Course is no more.

We are pulling the baskets as of last night and the rest of the week.

They are redoing the creeks on both sides instead of just the back. In doing so the course is unplayable. Kevin ''Pineapple'' and Cory ''Chops'' started pulling the baskets last night.

We don't trust the construction company, we don't want any one hurt, and we don't want any baskets stolen.

The Carrollton Open will not be using Jimmy Porter this year. That announcement will be made later.

We will redesign the course next year when the construction is done.

We will redesign the course next year when the construction is done.



Make it awesome!

how long will they be working on it, thats a bummer

The Carrollton Open will not be using Jimmy Porter this year. That announcement will be made later.

haha, sounds like it is already announced :)

dang, too bad for Jimmy! that was a sweet course. i only got to play it for the last 10 years, and it was always one of my favorites in dfw. a redesign after the canges is definitely something to look forward to!

Why not just take the available land at Greenbelt at make it into 36 holes? Greenbelt is a better location as far as drainage, and the current course at Greenbelt does not make very efficient use of the available land. There is a ton of acreage at the Greenbelt location, pleanty enough for two courses.

My friends and I play Greenbelt BACKWARDS and it is a significantly better and more challenging course (with several par 4's). It plays much more like a championship course. I like Greenbelt, I play there all the time, but playing it backwards is just superior. More like Davilio in Tulsa. It is not "just a bunch of hysers" as someone said here on this board.

The thing I always liked about disc golf is that it is so easy to change the layouts of the courses. Maybe it is time to think outside of the box and give Carrollton a makeover. Take the Porter baskets and make another course on the land we have available. You probably do not even need permission if you stay in the same footprint.

Why not just take the available land at Greenbelt at make it into 36 holes? Greenbelt is a better location as far as drainage, and the current course does not make very efficient use of the available land.

My friends and I play Greenbelt BACKWARDS and it is a significantly better and more challenging course (with several par 4's). It plays much more like a championship course.

The thing I always liked about disc golf is that it is so easy to change the layouts of the courses. Maybe it is time to think outside of the box. Take the Porter baskets and make another course on the land we have available.




I would have to agree with the above! There is a lot of potential for that course! Then the Mr. Jims Open could be at one course! :D

FYI - backwards at greenbelt has been affectionately named "The Beltbuster" :). I definitely agree with the "superior" part of that statement. i'd love to redesign that course with a focus on maintaining the feel of the beltbuster while making it flow better for tournaments. BTW - #1-#18 (Beltbuster #18) Is at *least* a par 5. awesome hole.

I think pulling those baskets is a bit premature, but what's done is done. I do know that the construction company told us we'd only be down for 5 months and only on the back side of the creek, so most holes would remain playable. In fact I was thinking that if the city gave us holes A,B,C during the construction that we'd have a playable 18 for now and at least 14 for the next 5 months... but what's done is done.

Pizza, I hope you'll involve our club on the redesign after construction is finished. We've been working on ideas for that since the construction was first announced and we play there more than could possibly be healthy :). I think Porter can be a much better course once redesigned, especially if we can use some of the land on the off-side of the creek around holes 11-14.

Here here! Disc golf is more than par 3 now...longer, thinking holes can really spice up a course and level the playing field. A couple of redesigns could really set those courses up nicely. Also...since there are not many concrete tee pads it would not be very hard.

leave the baskets in! We promise to be careful and not get hurt. as far as some of the baskets getting damaged, so what. most of them are in sorry shape already and could be replaced. if the choice is not play it for 6 months, or play it with a few holes missing and the possibility of having to replace a couple baskets, I think the omb ygb group will opt for keeping it open.

Not to sound like a total vulture here, but if worse comes to worst, and 9 baskets can not find a home in you neck of the woods, I know of a course in desperate need of some
buckets. Would be happy to pay cash, if anything this could assist in some fundraising for some new baskets for the
redesign..


Just a thought

I'll sound like a vulture here for I have a sentimental attachment to those basket at Jimmy Porter, especially hole nine's with the coathanger that Danno rigged to keep my putter from falling through anymore, and hole six's because it gave me a birthday ace.
We have a place for them to go in the ground.

Jimmy Porter Disc Golf Course is no more.

We are pulling the baskets as of last night and the rest of the week.

They are redoing the creeks on both sides instead of just the back. In doing so the course is unplayable. Kevin ''Pineapple'' and Cory ''Chops'' started pulling the baskets last night.

We don't trust the construction company, we don't want any one hurt, and we don't want any baskets stolen.

The Carrollton Open will not be using Jimmy Porter this year. That announcement will be made later.

We will redesign the course next year when the construction is done.



Didn't happen...what happened???

#12 is now gone along with all the trees in 12-13..

baskets still in posession of the construction crew at this point..

Pineapple called me this morning to tell me all the baskets on the back have been pulled.

We are going to leave the front up unless they start construction.

Our theory is, we did it to keep the disc golfers out of the way of the construction and for the safety of the recreational player. We don't care about you guys :D

We are still trying to get a return phone call from the Parks department. Even Pineapple can't get a return phone call.

Another idea would be to make another 9 holes on the other side of the road. Brain made 3 extra holes over there during the tourney.

so did he pick up the 2 or 3 baskets the construction guys already had within the fence? #9 had the number plate bent in half when they moved it

Back 9 is tucked away with Chops and friends

"We are still trying to get a return phone call from the Parks department. Even Pineapple can't get a return phone call."

your running election boards there in town and he works for the city and they won't call back??? ...

Carrollton needs some emails, mail and phone calls

yep, vote for Ron Branson for Mayor. [i say this when Becky Miller is one of my customers]

Well I just got word that hole 1 at Jimmy Porter has been stolen this weekend.

We are going to pull the rest of the baskets because of this.

So Jimmy Porter is gone for the rest of the year.

Saturday 8/16/08
Discraft AceRace @ Greenbelt Park, Carrollton, TX

RSVP by 7/27:

Discraft AceRace Registration Page (http://discraft.com/events_acerace_08.html)

or email:
GreenbeltAceRace@gmail.com

AceRace TDs: Clay Coleman & Brian Cox

This year's AceRace is again at Greenbelt Park in Carrollton, on Saturday, August 16th @ 9:30AM. Rain date is August 17th.

A few things have changed this year. We are a little short on time; Discraft was late in getting the TD information out.

-Entry fee is $ 25 per package, payable on the day of the AceRace. (Cash Only)

-For the $ 25, you will get:

(2) discs, a hat, a mini, a sticker, and a chance to win over $ 300 in discraft hooch.

What a deal!

Deadline for RSVP is Sunday, July 27th. If you RSVP by the deadline, you will have a player's package with your name on it, and we will expect you to pay for it, whether you play in the event or not. If you want a package and can't make the event, I will make arrangements to get the package to you.

-If you do not RSVP by the deadline, you will not be guaranteed a player's pack or a spot in the AceRace.

-We will have just a few extra player's packs, first come, first served.

Sorry this isnt really Disc Golf related..... But after playing a round of disc golf at Greenbelt yesterday, I caught this bass at the bridges for Josey going over the creek by #18 tee pad!
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k282/yodesigner/SSPX0193sm.jpg

that's impressive. you need to train that sucker to retrieve discs.

we were out there marking holes for the acerace today...

we will be using a short backwards version of about half the holes for the acerace this weekend. there may be extra player packs, so if you are interested, send an email to:

GreenbeltAceRace@gmail.com

BooYaHH..

I'm still saying you pulled it from the Lake and transplanted it :)

Kidding...anymore this evening???

that and the DISCRAFT.disc is overstable...finally..

nice buzz/cyclone ( tough to compare the 2)...stable..

50+ for the ace race...way to go gang..

thanks to Brian for a few shots

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Yea, Blake caught one smaller bass and I caught another perch yesterday.

See you all at the ACE RACE!

For the next month (maybe a little longer)

Greenbelt Disc Golf course is 36 holes. The new holes are located on the other side of Frankford, (cross after hole #6) and on the other side of Josey (cross after playing hole #17)

I do not have a layout yet. I will need someone to draw me up a map for the tournament.

Pineapple, Chops and company moved the remaining 9 holes from Porter and put in the 9 we pulled earlier this year.

Is it 9 holes on each end of Greenbelt?

I don't know exactly how he did it. Kevin was in charge of that, I trusted his judgment. I don't have the time to work on something like that.

Me, Blake and our friend Ron played all the new holes yesterday. We met up with Jason and Miguel b4 our game and they guided us through all the new baskets. The new holes are nice. I threw +3. Lost one Destroyer on the 2nd hole in the cat tails west of Josey. A couple of the tee boxes were not marked on the west Josey portion. In all, this was a fun new 18 holes of disc golf at Greenbelt.

Well after all the good reviews I got from the west side of Josey, they are gone.

It seems the actions of a few affect the many, 2 people who live over there put up suck a stink because of a few beer drinking cussers all 7 baskets on the west side of josey have to be relocated.

The good news is the City is actually going to do the moving this time.

I got to finally play the North Greenbelt course today.

Too bad that course will be gone at the end of the month.

Oh yea, a little bird told me the course will be pulled at the end of October.

it is nicely mowed and they cleared out the creek on the north side of Frankford.

It took away from some of the risk, but I didn't loose any discs :D

I really enjoyed some of the holes, It was very windy today, yet I came close to Acing #9 off the hill towards the parking lot with a HUGE turnover shot.

I overthrew #10 from the basketball court and it hit the tree to keep it from going into the alley (it was 5ft from the alley below the tree) it may have been my longest throw ever.

I also overthrew #12 and was past the basket on the hill of the rail road tracks.

Like I said, it was windy.

I shot 2 down with one bogie on the last hole (windy bird to bogie)

will you get the city to at least replace the practice basket, if not the playable holes at Porter?

It would be appreciated

Good luck getting the City to do anything.

BTW, Kevin Called me this week.

He said the City is going to let us keep the baskets out at Greenbelt for now. There has been no complaints and as long as there are not any, he is going to let us keep the holes out there till Jimmy Porter construction is done. (next summer)

The problem with trying to put some holes out at Porter is they are now working on the jogging path. It does right in front of #2 pin placement, down the fairway of #3 and #4 and really messes up the holes.

The course will be redesigned next year after the construction is done.

I would either like to install 27 holes out there, or 18 with 9 holes having two baskets. I want to get the Carrollton 9 in the ground. Unless someone can find a park to install a 9 hole course??

Now they aren't going to be "done" until next summer?

I don't know if you have been out there any time recently or not, but putting 18 holes back out there (that are decent) will be a chore...that creek is huge now on the backside and ate up a bunch of the land

27 holes might be pusing it to say the least

what other parks/city owned land is available in Carrollton?

the course will take advantage of the bridges the City put out there and we may be able to extend the course back further than where #12 use to be. I am not sure exactly what tracks of land the city will allow us to use yet. It looks like we may be able to use the hill on the other side of the creek now. I see some pretty good hole from up there.

I think it would be better to build 18 good holes than 27 so-so holes. If there really is that much usable land, we should try to build a championship-caliber course. the 275-325 ft RHBH hyzer is fun and all, but we have GB for that :). Some *real* par 4 and par 5 holes make for good disc golf. it would be awesome to put Carrollton on the DG map with a quality course

You should really think about getting Houck to design a course. The name alone brings in the masses :D

houck designed the old course :). I like houck designs, too but someone has to pay for that

The city should not saying they will but I think they should pay!

To be honest, A GREAT course with ALL that Josh Dann has mentioned, that most of us agree with (I know I do), CAN be created and built by local golfers! I would love to pitch in and help anyone out. No need to pay Houck or anyone else IMO. His courses are good and all but we can't even get funded for concrete tee boxes.... Im not JUST TALKING about what needs to be done, I am willing to do whatever IT (work etc.)takes to get a GREAT course in CARROLLTON and to put us on the map!!!

houck designed the old course :)



I heard through the grapevine that John did not design the old Carrollton -- the list of all his courses is here on HouckDesign.com (http://www.houckdesign.com/bystate.html). Only Carrollton on there is "Greenbelt Championship (9) Carrollton TX"

SEE Y'ALL AT TEAMS :cool:
Zach @ Circular Productions & HouckDesign

that's what I mean by the "old course". The original Greenbelt course which is not really there any more, although some of those holes were reinstalled for the MJCO.

The Houck Design name is certainly a draw and there's no doubt that he builds a quality course. Like Buck-mustard said though, we have had a hard time getting the City of Carrollton to get behind us money-wise. They're even installing a new jogging path right through one of our beloved courses... I guarantee that the new jogging path will *never* see the number of persons per day using it as the old Porter course did... and it will *never* bring any additional dollars to the city... but I digress.

Bucky's point is valid. It's going to take local golfers with the will and desire to build a great course. It's going to take a stronger relationship with the City. I'm willing to help on either front, and I know I'm not alone. Perhaps its time to organize things and put together a Carrollton Disc Golf club...

BBD = Smart Guy = Club President = global disc golf domination

hehe that's flattering but I can think of a few others who actually live in Carrollton (I moved away over 2 years ago) who would be more suited for the job. I think we should have a meeting of the minds and see who all is interested in organizing into a club. then maybe a vote or two... then the normal club-forming activities. I'd be happy to help with the initial organization but I am not worthy of the title President

Bucky's point is valid. It's going to take local golfers with the will and desire to build a great course. It's going to take a stronger relationship with the City. I'm willing to help on either front, and I know I'm not alone. Perhaps its time to organize things and put together a Carrollton Disc Golf club...



Sign me up - A Carrrollton DG Club would not only be good for the city, but also Dallas County. You guys have the right crowd and plenty fo golfers to make it happen. Dallas County needs more organization. Look at The Funkyness.....those guys are growing like crazy.

Mrod you have some terrible hobbies!

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that's what I mean by the "old course". The original Greenbelt course which is not really there any more, although some of those holes were reinstalled for the MJCO.



ha! oops. i do love correcting his infrequent mistakes. like when he forgets to add a thumber route or the big dumb hyzer :D

carry on..

Actually, I don't think John designed the old Greenbelt. (A Course)

the B course was design mostly by the late great Gene "Biff" Barfield.

Jimmy Porter was designed by Tim Wiediker and Don Vanachek (sorry for the misspellings of there last names)

the current Greenbelt course was designed using a lot of the A and B course holes with some tweaking by Tim W.
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I do not know what the City will allow with the new Jimmy Porter. We will have to deal with what we get.

As far as making it a Championship course. No, I don't think it will happen. Not enough room.

I do favor marking an advance course out and making some Pro tee pads for local use. (The original 9 holes all have championship tees that are no longer marked)

Now I can get Pineapple to ask for some funds for tee pads, but I don't think it is going to happen any time soon.

Lets get the course in the ground and raise the money ourselves. The City will build them if we donate the money.

I think it is time to look for sponsorship for the holes again. the current signs show hole sponsorship from 15 years ago, if we get just $200 per hole, we could get nice tee signs and tee pads on every hole. (It might take a little more)

I am talking about doing all 36 holes at both courses. we need to do the tee signs at Greenbelt anyways.

Who would like to work on starting a club/group or something organized to use to raise the money for this effort. I will help as much as possible, but can't front or start it myself.

TitleDISC will sponsor at least one hole, if we go that route.

FWIW - if there are 27 mediocre holes there, we can definitely fit in 18 championship-caliber holes. Carrollton could be a part of Worlds, once it comes back to DFW.

Josh, send me the Carrollton Open stuff so I can get it turned into the PDGA. BJames1033@aol.com

Mrod you have some terrible hobbies!

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Gig em

"Hook Em"

Last night the #18 basket was missing at Greenbelt.....

That sucks, I had not even noticed it and I drive by every day. Of course I drive on that side of the road at night.

Jimmy Porter is looking pretty good. They have planted trees all over the place.

It has been missing for almost one month now...

Porter definately is looking better..there is probably 100 small trees on the back side now and the front is being reworked for the sidewalk right now..

I don't think it will take them 1 year for the park area.

Anybody have an update on the status of Jimmy Porter yet?

March is when construction is suppose to be finished from what I hear. I am sure we will get the course back in the ground by this summer sometime.

I have walked the land once so far (I don't have all that much time) There is a few problem areas because of the creek and walking path, but I see several good holes out there.

I need to talk to the city and see what land we can use. If I can follow the creek back further than where hole 12 was, I could design a championship level course. But like I said, I don't know how far I will be able to go.

Either way, the course looks to have several good holes.

What happened to both groups and whoever else wanted input on meeting to rework it as a group?

That was the understanding before all those buckets were thrown on the other side of GB.

the original course area itself is done on the construction end..

past #12 used to be a bird area, but I bet that was also removed with their construction...

how much further do you think we can go to the East?

I would like input, however, with that said, people need to remember that I am the course Pro and I should have the final say so.

Now if someone wants to step up and take over being course pro, we can talk.

My problem is time. I will try to contact the City this week and find out how much of the land out there we can use. I will also see if I can get a current aerial shot of the new creek layout.

There is quite a bit of interesting land back there. They look like they may be setting some of it up for more than just grass though. If we can go all the way to Kelly there should be more than enough room for a big course.

I was out at Greenbelt and played the original 18. As I drove east on Frankford, I noticed that were some additional holes still set up. Is there still a full alternate 18 out there? If so, I would like a map for them. I "only" had to take my shoes and socks off twice yesterday to retrieve my disc, and I know that the course north of Frankford would have less chances to get wet.

The back holes are still there with the entire land having 36 holes, but the back side floods much worse, not better unfortunately

scratch that..#18 original has been stolen for a long time now :(

April 22nd makes 21 years for me. That is the day I purchased my first two actual golf discs and got hooked.

#3 Driver and a Jaguar. :)

Lighting (later called the P-38) and Eagle (F-15)

I had some free time today after my Board meeting and before I needed to show up at the store.

Mostly I looked at how to start and finish up to the parking lot.

I think I came up with a few good holes, we still have to throw across or down the walkway, but there is no way around that other than making very short holes.

I did look at a hole recommended to me for hole 5, man I really like it.

BTW, as I look at these holes, I am working on pro and Am tee pads. The original 9 holes at Jimmy Porter actually had Pro Tee's, but when the course was expanded to 18 holes, the Pro Tee's were forgotten.

The biggest problem out there is the creek. It is not all that easy to cross. The creek was high today and even where I was looking at possible crossing places, I got my feet wet. We will have to put blocks and upkeep them if we do cross the creek. I am looking at trying to avoid those points.

BTW, I was way on the back side when the first storm blew in. It caught me totally off guard and I am still soaked from head to toe. I even ran back to my truck. As soon as I made it, it stopped raining. :D

so anyways, here are my thoughts on a few of the holes.

#1, Am tee pad by the parking lot, on the left hand side of the sidewalk.

Pro Tee pad in the original place, maybe moved back a little.

Basket, down the hill about 20ft from the original placement.

#2 Pro Tee from Original place, or moved over by the tree (old pro tee position)

Am tee, in the field between the #1 basket and the road.

Baskets located behind the 2 remaining trees on the side of the hill above and moved over from the original placement.

#3, 2 alternate Pro thoughts.

Use the Original tee box, or tee off from the top of the hill.

Am Tee Box, moved up past the ditch near the old willow trees.

Basket, this is a tough one. The original placement is now a sidewalk. There is no "good" place to cross the creek, however I was either thinking on the lower side of the hill (really too close to the apts complex, or on a peninsula of the creek. This really makes this hole long. in that position.

#4 Pro tee near the original tee box

Am tee near the creek across from old #17 basket position.

Basket, either all the way into or near the woods or down in the fairway for old hole #5 (close to the creek)

The problem with these last 2 holes, both throw down the path.

#5, Pro, either from the top of the hill at the original location(air shot over the woods), or at the base of the large wall between the wall and the woods (good tunnel shot).

Am, near the end of the wall before the clearing.

Basket, in old position for #8, or anywhere in that area.

For holes #17 and #18, I was thinking about 16's basket somewhere around #6's old pin placement. Then walk towards the Road for #17's Pro Tee to around the original #17 basket or shorter position.

If a shorter #17 basket position, then move 18's Tee box back and maybe closer to the creek.

I also though about #17 ending in the area of the old #6 baskets placement, then have #18 go from the old 17 position all the way to the original 18 position. (or a little shorter)

Anyways, there are SEVERAL good holes after you cross the creek, it is a matter of finding the best with a route that can be followed. I have several great holes that I don't think I will be able to use because of the creek.

Something else I have though about is playing the parking lot side backwards from what it is now. The problem is that it does not flow as good. It would be playing #18 - 17 backwards, playing #2 as 17 to 6, then crossing the bridge for the rest.

Comming back would be 16 - 17 - 18 with 16 being #4 backwards, 17 being #3 backwards, then teeing off from the top of the hill to the old #1 position (or somewhere in that area up the hill and trees)

It just does not flow as good

What about instead of crossing the creek at 5 staying on the creek side(south side of the tee pad) and using the woods back there for a few hole layouts that would take out one of the creek crossings. Then use the land on that side till you get back past the old hole 12 or whatever the farthest hole out was and cross back across the creek after that at some point by the Arial map it looked shallow further down. It also looks like there is a large open area of the park over there by the houses. This of suggestion is hypothetical using Google earth�s 5 year old plus Arial image. But it looks like you might at least be able to access the other side of the creek that way. I can�t wait till this course is back in the ground!

There is not any room between the house and the creek for a hole.

You could walk over and throw, maybe put a tee throwing down the creek.

I will look at it again next time I am out there. Like I said, I am looking for input.

BTW, any map on the web, unless it is less than 6 months old, does not really do you any good.

the creek was completely redone. It is pretty much crosses old #8's fairway, wiped out #9 tee box and #14's basket placement.
They made it curve a little, but does not really follow the old creek bed. The Other bridge is near the old tee for #12.

I was dreaming about it last night :Dand thought maybe a short hole five that goes down the hill and to the left in front of the old concrete drainage/creek then work something in staying on that side of the creek heading back toward those houses/apt. Did you talk to the city to see if they had a development plan/layout of the park with current projects included? So it is possible to cross further down past hole 12? Also from Google Earth it appeared to have a stretch of the park that was open across the street from the houses if you know where I am talking about. I might swing out at lunch and check it out sometime within the next week. Also I was thinking that if you play 5 down the hill and don�t cross the creek you will have a flatter walking path rather than crossing at the tee pad, I would imagine when it rains that hill could be hard to walk on then again the creek could bust over the bank so not to close to the creek. Thanks for taking suggestions I don�t have a clue about hole layout since I have never been on that side just trying to offer a suggestion to crossing the creek further down or multiple times.

Ok, so here is the deal, the City will be finishing up with the park in about 6 to 7 weeks.

We will be getting the park plans from the City next week. We should be able to find out how much of the area we will be able to use at that time.

The problem lies in that there will be "No mow areas" We will not be allowed to use those areas and we don't know where those areas are yet.

Yes, there is a chance we may not be able to put the course back in at Jimmy Porter. I should know more next week.

What NOT to do right now is contact the city, if it comes down to that, I will tell you.

For now the baskets will remain over at Greenbelt as long as none of the neighbors complain. (so far none have)

if we can't get porter back, what are the chances of redesigning greenbelt to have two nice 18-hole courses?

We will cross that bridge if it happens

With the new sidewalk going under the street, can the temp holes across the street come into play as permanent holes?

Gary, there is no trail going under the bridge. the trail ends up near the Apartment complex and starts over on the other side of Keller Springs. the trail on the other side is on the other side of the creek from where I have the temp holes for the Carrollton Open.

Sorry, thought the sidewalk added on that side had to be for a continuing greenbelt bike trail. Why else would they put a sidewalk through several existing holes?

Because the guy who was suppose to be in charge of Disc Golf and was keeping me informed, quit calling me back and is doing NOTHING for us anymore.

That is why Kevin went over his head to his boss to get permission to put the baskets over at Greenbelt for now.

Greenbelt has 4 holes that throw over the sidewalk and 3 that tee off from the sidewalk, I don't think it is going to be an issue.

Maybe we can use the sidewalks for teeboxes on several holes and raise the money for tee boxes for the other holes once the course is in the ground. (hopefully)

Jimmy Porter Update.

Some in the City are saying there will be no disc golf at Jimmy Porter anymore.

HOWEVER, the head of the Parks Department is saying otherwise.

Kevin picked up a map of the park from the City just yesterday. He is arranging a meeting with Bob from the Parks Department to walk the park. We are hoping to make the course 27 holes going all the way back to Kelly.

So our next step is to work with Bob in the Parks Department and work an outline of the course, then we will need to go to the City Council for approval. It might have been a good thing that I worked on the Mayors campaign :D(Kevin also knows the Mayor personally)

We still think we will have the course in by this summer.

PS. you might be wondering why we have to get approval with the City Council. Well the people who are drinking and doing other stuff on the course that caused us to have to quickly move some holes last year is the problem.

In other words, Smoking and Drinking DOES HURT DISC GOLF. It only takes a few complaints to get noticed. Now we have to go in front of the City Council to get approval.

Good news, the City Parks department will move the baskets for us, we will not have to do it this time.

Any chance of improved services at either park?

Restrooms would be nice.

not in the budget for the City. Maybe port a potties could be asked for?

We should be meeting with the Parks Department this week.

One thing the Parks Department said is that they have been receiving complaints about Greenbelt.

It seems people have been drinking and releaving themselves out there.

This must stop now or we may not see a Jimmy Porter and may get Greenbelt pulled. (at least the holes over on the Frankfort side)

I got word this morning that Jimmy Porter is a GO!!!!!!

The baskets will hopefully be going in this weekend.

In other news, I also got word that another basket was stolen. That makes 3 baskets in Carrollton in the last year.

back to Jimmy Porter, the course is marked with distances on the stakes. I am told that the material to make some tee boxes has been donated. (crushed granite) but I don't know exactly what he was talking about.

After we get these back in the ground. We will work on the city letting us add 9 more baskets to Jimmy Porter to make it 27 holes.

Bryan,

The city is putting the baskets in this weekend? Or are volunteers doing it?

Good work Bryan,

Please keep the updates coming. I am going to have to get back that way soon. Also keep me updated on the extra nine as far as when and if it gets approval. I may want to donate in some way.
Thanks to Kevin and anyone else who has been involved in getting this to happen as well. Jimmy Porter was the first course I played some twenty one years ago and holds a special place for me.
Peace.

We should be meeting with the Parks Department this week.

One thing the Parks Department said is that they have been receiving complaints about Greenbelt.

It seems people have been drinking and releaving themselves out there.

This must stop now or we may not see a Jimmy Porter and may get Greenbelt pulled. (at least the holes over on the Frankfort side)

Maybe they should consider some toilets...

I haven't looked myself but the general impression I get from those who have walked it is that Porter is (going to be) a junk course. Safety issues with other park users and boring holes. Sounds like a course that will hurt disc golf in Carrollton in the long run.

I agree 100% with Giles! Why would anyone want to force disc golf into a place that is no longer a safe place for it to be? Just because it has been there a long time? I think its time to find a better place maybe even get a restroom installed at the new place, Actually that may be to much for them to handle all at once!

Well here we go - for all the things that were allegedly preventing the course going back in, they laid it out exactly with those things done

#1 is now a blind shot towards the railroad track - if someone is putting the hole you can't see them

#2 and #3 the basket is with feet of the sidewalk

#4 is now off to the right and the easy shot takes you directly down the sidewalk

#5 is pitch and putt over the creek with the sidewalk just pass the bucket

#6 is right along the bridge and surrounded by sidewalks

#7 is one of only 2 long holes out there now and runs the entire sidewalk

#8 and #9 could be decent holes, but they are going to take massive mowing and chopping and back and forth across the bridges

#11 runs the barbwire fence and if you don't flip it, it's either over the fence or will turn out right at #12's tee pad

#12..opposite direction across what is left of the pond (now just a stagnant pool of mosquitoes) with the bakset within 10ft of the water

Didn't located #13, but I am assuming it was close to the orignal #15

#14 - 2 pin locations marked and both directly next to the sidewalk with one of them surround by concrete on all sides

#15 now shoots towards old #6 and all the small planted trees are directly in the way..they will never last long enough to grow and will be demolished by discs shots within months

#16 is just inches from the creek, but about 200 ft at most

#17 and #18 are original

For all the talk about safety to the non-golfers and how ALL the Carrollton players would have input on the course..none of this happened...

Very sad----we should keep the baskets at GB or take them over to Shady Grove area

Pineapple

I will not argue that. I am a little miffed that I was not contacted before any designing was done, but I will live with what ever is done. I just want to get the course back in the ground.

As far as when the baskets are being moved, I have no idea, I swear he told me they were going to do it last weekend. I must have misheard or something changed.

Ok, I now know why the baskets are not in.

After giving approval last week, the City Parks department changed there mind and told us to hold off until the contractors are done out at the course and the City mowed and cleaned up the park.

then a week later we have approval to move the baskets again.

The course description that Adam gave has a few mistakes in it. (from what I have been told) The course is a little longer than it was before because the course is more open now.

old holes 15 and 16 are being used.

I will try to swing over there tomorrow to look for myself. I spent today removing a tree out of my back yard that fell from my neighbors yard.

Yeah..Parker ran into the city inspector out there the other day and he told him the same thing

and I will be happy to have at least somewhere else to let all these casuals play golf in Carrollton, I just can't believe how close the baskets are to the sidewalks

Hope you can get out there and get some idea of the proposed layout

#1 is suppose to be the same

#2 same tee, basket is suppose to be between the creek and sidewalk.

#3 same tee and the basket is suppose to be between the sidewalk and apartments

#4 is suppose to be all between the sidewalk and creek.

#5 is a short hole, but it is about the same distance as old hole #6. Nice little shot to a small clump of tree's, not really that close to the sidewalk.

#6 Tees off next to the sidewalk thrown across the creek (bad hole for lefties) Basket is located between some trees at the sidewalk Y

#7 Unable to find the tee box, it runs between the sidewalk and the creek, it is a long dangerous hole.

#8 good hole playing back to the old basket #11 pin placement.

#9 another good whole playing across the creek and then back up into a the brush. Good lefty hole with a deep ditch right down the fairway. This one will play tough for righties.

#10, found the tee box a long way from #9, but was unable to figure out where the basket would be located. Lots of good places, but there is no drainage in the woods right now.

#11 "runs the barbwire fence and if you don't flip it, it's either over the fence or will turn out right at #12's tee pad" It's a chain link fence and it does run too close to it for a right handed player. It is basically playing from old #11 tee box to old #10's basket.

#12 Plays from the trees by the fence. (may be too close to #11's fairway) with the basket over the pond. It is not all that close to the pond that is going to be dry most of the year.

#13, is old #15

#14 - is old #16 with the basket in nearly the same spot. (I don't know what that flag is doing in the middle of the sidewalk, but there is no way a basket would ever be put there)

#15 Tee throws over the creek to old #6 area, hopefully on the left instead of right of the big tree. (no pin flag)

#16 Tees off from old tee #7 over to the part of the creek we use to cross on #5. Throw it too far and you are in the creek, miss a putt and you are in the creek.

#17 and #18 are original

I will not argue about course input, but will tell you that you can't please everyone. The more people that try to help, the more arguing that will ensue.

As far as safety, there was not much that could be done. Lets not forget we have a few holes at Greenbelt that actually cross the trails. I don't think that will be a problem. The only hole I see having problems is #6 by the bridge. I have a better spot for that hole if they will listen to me.

After playing hole 4 (played longer into old #5's fairway, closer to the creek) walk to the path, then cross over and though the woods. Tee off somewhere between the trees and the wall down to old #8's basket placement. Then you would walk back to the bridge and over to #7. It is a little walking and a blind hole, but it is a better hole and casual walkers/joggers on the bridge don't come into play.

From what I understand, the extra holes at Greenbelt need to be moved or the city is going to pull them in a few weeks. (Too many complaints about the drinking in the park)

Ok, Pineapple and I did a walk though this morning. The parks department has given the OK to move the baskets, the engineering department says wait 2 more weeks.

#1 will probably be the exact same, however we did look at next to the old Kiosk to near the old pin placement.

#2 same tee, basket will be between the tree and the creek, right on the berm of the creek is basically. (30ft from the sidewalk) I wanted the basket closer the low water trail crossing.

#3 Tee will be between the creek and the sidewalk near the low water bridge. The basket will be between the creek and tree, or a little shorter near the creek. (not enough room behind the tree between the creek and sidewalk.)

#4, we talked about this one and walked it a few times. We have basicly disided the best hole is using the original tee box and moving the basket up to the right. This takes the sidewalk out of the picture and makes it a straight shot to turnover shot. We talked about moving the basket all the way back into the woods and even looked at it, but there would be a lot more sidewalk shots with players throwing harder.

#5 is a short hole, but it is about the same distance as old hole #6. Nice little shot to a small clump of tree's, not really that close to the sidewalk. Now that we moved 4, we may move the tee box back a little ways, but it will still be a short technical shot.

#6 Tees off near the sidewalk close to the creek and thrown across the creek Basket is located between some trees at the sidewalk Y. There is an option B that might make a better hole, but it would be even worse with bridge and sidewalks for right handed players. Because this is a pretty open hole, the Parks department gave approval.

#7 from #6 across the trail to the tree's. It runs between the sidewalk and the creek, The basket is between the trees and sidewalk, it is a long dangerous hole (for the players)

#8 tee is around the trees to the creek side and is a great hole playing back to the old basket #11 pin placement.

#9 another good hole playing across the creek and then back up into a the brush. Good lefty hole with a deep ditch right down the fairway. This one will play tough for righties.

#10, After talking about it, we moved this tee box back closer to the trail, it throws back across the creek as a big anhyzer (lefty hole) with the basket located in the tree's. This hole has already has a little clearing done and has been sprayed for poison Ivy. There will need to be some work by bring in some dirt because of the creek bank is blocking the drainage from this area. Moving this tee closer to #9's basket only made sense.

there will be a longest walk from #10 to #11, but not as long as old #16 to #17 was

#11 we changed this hole up today, we think for the better in the long run. The tee will be old holes #11 tee box throwing a straight 300ft shot to the trees. If you throw it too high you might throw it over the fence (for right handers) but after looking at it, we figured it would be less than if the basket was located on a hard right rather than straight.

#12 So we moved #12's tee box over to the old #10's basket placement. it is basicly old #10 backwards. It is a slight hyzer or anhyzer over the pond to the basket located in a group of newly planted tree's. We were undesided on having the basket close to the pond or moving it back for a little distance. (we marked the longer position)


#13, is close to old #15, but the tee is just a short walk from #12's basket. This will be a slow Anhyzer, big hyzer or big anhyzer hole. Longer than old #15 with out of bounds still behind the basket.

#14 - is old #16 with the basket shortend. With the new trees, it makes this a big hyzer shot. (still 400ft)


#15 tee will be between the old #16's basket placement and the road. it is a guarded tee shot over the black trail, over the creek with the basket under and to the left of the big tree. The shot is straight, but being long is in the creek. Hyzers will hit the big tree for a long putt with the creek behind the basket.

#16 Tees off from old tee #7 over to the part of the creek we use to cross on #5. Throw it too far and you are in the creek, miss a putt and you are in the creek. 2nd shortest hole on the course, but will have a lot of circle 3's and 4's with the creek right behind the basket. The tree's take out the hyzer shot.

#17, we talked about tweeking this one. From #16's basket, walk back towards the street and tee off to the basket close to the old #18's tee box. This would have a big hyzer or a straight shot to the hole.

#18, tee would be near old #17's basket placement and tee off to the basket past the tree's but the basket would be moved over. Hyzer over the creek or big anhyzer around.


In all, I think this course is much better than it looks on paper. there are alot of risk reward shots. something you need with the few tree's we have out there. It is a longer course than the old Jimmy Porter and I think the scores will reflect it. (I don't think I will be shooting 12 down out there)

Ok, the word on more holes after #9. We want to add 9 to 18 more back there. But I would not expect them installed until 2010 at the earliest.

One thing I expect to see out there. The Police on bikes busting drinkers. it will be happening, I can almost guarantee it. The plan is having a sign at the parking lot reminding that Carrollton Parks are alcohol free.

Oh, this course will be played trails and across OB like LL Woods is played. This makes several of the holes MUCH tougher

Does not change the hole locations in relation to the sidewalk! Just looking for another black eye with the city for disc golf!

Have you walked out there and looked???? I didn't think so.

Over at Greenbelt we have

#3's basket is near the trail
#4 most people tee off and thrown DOWN the trail
#5 throws across the trail
#13 tees off from the sidewalk
#15 tees off from the sidewalk
#16 is close to the trail. (about the same distance as the closes to a trail as Jimmy Porter)
#17 throws across the trail.

I don't see the issue with this course is any different.

Glad you guys realized some of those teepads and baskets had to be moved - they were not safe for golfers and non-golfers alike - good work

Have you walked out there and looked???? I didn't think so.

Over at Greenbelt we have

#3's basket is near the trail
#4 most people tee off and thrown DOWN the trail
#5 throws across the trail
#13 tees off from the sidewalk
#15 tees off from the sidewalk
#16 is close to the trail. (about the same distance as the closes to a trail as Jimmy Porter)
#17 throws across the trail.

I don't see the issue with this course is any different.

Twice:)

update on Jimmy Porter

#1 will stay the original hole.

#4 The basket has been moved back to the trees for a longer hole. The guys went and threw the hole several time and found very few shots went all the way over to the trail.

#5 has also been changed up but I was unable to picture the new hole.

#6 has been totally changed. the tee box will be on the other side of the trail and on the other side of the line of tree's. The tee box will be set up so that you can't throw the hyzer over the bridge. The basket will be between the trail and the creek. This will be a tough hole.

#7 tee box will be moved shorter to allow room for the new #6.

That was all the changes Pineapple call me with today. They are going to be moving baskets very soon.

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Other good news, we have approval for 18 more holes at Jimmy Porter for a 36 hole course. Look for that in the future.

good News Bryan and I think much safer for the non-golfers

I got word they were digging up baskets today

Special Request: Please keep an eye out for two stolen baskets, they were stolen from the Weatherford DGC on Saturday, June 20th around 10pm.
The descriptions are as follows, both are DGA Mach III's. The first one is the practice basket with the DGA logo on the nuber plate and various stickers on the pole inside the chain assembly. The second is Hole 18's basket with the number 18 in bright red on the number plate.

I know all about stolen baskets. We have had 3 stolen in the last 12 months.

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Ok, I got word they pulled all the Jimmy Porter baskets from Greenbelt this last weekend.

Cory "Chops" Flippen and company are cleaning them up and getting them ready to install over at Jimmy Porter.

The holes for 17 baskets were dug today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hole #9 is going to be done in the morning, they are going to bring in a tractor to do some work on the course including cleaning out the green for the basket.

Hole #7's pin placement has been moved again. It will now be located in the trees between the sidewalk and the creek. This will make the hole a rightly/lefty hole and add a little to the course.

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Jimmy Porter added 18 holes are being designed, Kevin is going to ask Verizon if we can use the parking lot and mark the holes starting with #1 right there. (it never hurts to ask, but I doubt it will happen)

Keep up the good work and as soon as it's back in the ground, I'm gonna make that hour and a half drive back over there.
Tell Chops attaboy for me when you talk to him.

I just fed the work crew over at Jimmy Porter. They have 3 baskets in so far and working on the other 14.

They need help!!!

We are in need of funds for replacement baskets and 9 more baskets.

I still have the Carrollton 9 that we won many years ago from the Worlds biggest. Those will be used to replace the 2 stolen baskets, then others will be used to put in the extra 18 holes at Jimmy Porter. Next step, raise money for 11 baskets to fill out all 54 holes in Carrollton!!!

I will take donations at my store.

I will also be taking donation at the Carrollton Open. (I am sure the Carrollton Open should be able to donate a basket or two this year)

The local guys are going to start up a weekly mini to raise funds.

Bryan,

I stopped by the store yesterday afternoon, but you had the late shift on Saturday, huh? I went by Porter, and saw a hole about where #18 was. I'm glad to read that the baskets are going in today.

Now, where is the map of the new course? :rolleyes:

Yep, worked 6 to close yesterday. (spent the afternoon with my family and In-Laws)

I just got off the phone with Kevin, they are working on installing the last basket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am told they have all 18 in, not 17.

I am still confused about what is missing and what isn't.

As far as the missing basket over at Greenbelt. We will be putting in permanently one of the Carrollton 9 baskets.

Just got a call from Kevin, they finished playing doubles. Best was 9 down.

the tee's are marked with pink flags right now, but some tee signs will be installed soon.

The Weatherford July 4th Fundraiser will start at 9am, sign ups at 8am. $20.00 entry and close to $1000.00 in prizes for CTP's on every hole. Maximum CTP's are two per person so at least nine different winners. All money from the entries will go directly to replace the two stolen baskets. Please join us for this special event.

Just played my first round in Texas sense October.

Shot 8 down with a Boggie at the new Jimmy Porter

Birdie on #1, #5
ACE on #10 (Roc)
Birdie on #12
stupid boggie on #13
Birdied out #15, #16 (hit the basket on the drive) #17, #18

BTW, I played the sidewalk casual (I threw over it on #2 and #3)

In all there is not a hole here I don't think I can't birdie. I was 15ft short on #7 (but behind the brush) #9 I was actually past the basket and had to punch threw the brush to make the par. #16 is long, but shorter than it use to be, with a good air shot, I can make this.

I think #4 plays the hardest because you can't see the basket. I was under the willow tree and had to throw a 2 finger roller to get to the basket and save my 3.

Even though I aced #10, if you are left or right of the basket, you are in MAJOR trouble.

It is a fun course to play, there were about 10 cars in the parking lot when I left and has been cars out there every time I drive by. I would give the course a rating of a B. It makes pretty good use of the land we had to work with.

I have a request for the new Jimmy Porter after playing it yesterday.

Can we please rethink incorporating the most God awful poison ivy infested creek jungle into the adjacent areas to the pins?

I know that I enjoy nothing more than spending an hour wading through creek areas infecting every inch of my body to get a disc that only missed a basket by 30 feet. It is my favorite thing!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! (not)

I could not imagine that we would somehow get to incorporate *more* God awful jungle with the renovation, but somehow I think there might be more jungle incorporated now, especially in the landing areas (where it counts). The teebox's are all out in the open and we are throwing *into* the jungle, many times blindly.

PS: Of course, I am being sarcastic, and I hope that Brian and all involved will realize that I truly do appreciate all of their efforts.... but I just felt this needed to be said. I simply do not understand the practice of steaming headlong to the crappiets areas of the park in an attempt to make a few holes more punitive. #15 basket sucks in particular. I threw a Roc that nearly hit the basket and almost did not recover the disc (I had never played the hole of course).

In the one hour search for my favorite 10x KC Pro Roc I found other discs so obscured by the thick creek jungle that you could not see then from 5 feet away. For #15 in particular, I would suggest that there are perfectly good trees away from the nasty creek to the west of the current basket that would make a much more difficult hole location *away* from the stupid infested creek. Where it is located now is just going to make for a lot of disc searching, and infected bodies. Hey, it is great for the scavengers I suppose....lots of used discs on the market!!! I do not expect for some people to take my comments here in the spirit in which they are meant, as I have shared similar thoughts before and basically I was told that I am some kind of wimp for not really being a big fan of poison ivy jungle landing areas (or poision ivy courses for that manner).... but I hope that those that know me will realize I am not a wimp and I certainly do not mind hard courses.... just not a fan of poison ivy jungle.

PSS: I certainly do see the potential of the new course. It is obvious that there has been some real *work* to make the new course happen.

The Poison Ivy has been sprayed.

It is a risk reward shot on some of those holes.

Also, the course has only been in the ground a few days, of course it is going to be rough, go check out other new courses like Gateway, Cedar Hill, Rockwall and you will have the same issues (till the course gets beat in)

The Poison Ivy has been sprayed.

It is a risk reward shot on some of those holes.



Sprayed? With what??? Fertilizer??? HAHAHAHAHA!!! More likely something worse than the poison ivy (that will probably kill you).

No seriously, that was my point. I see no reason at all to make the "risk" losing a disc in a jungle. *RISK* and *REWARD* should be about score, not about trudging through Vietnam to get your disc every time you miss a basket by 10 feet. There are plenty of obstacles available that do not involve the bubonic plague infested creek (I believe I just gave one good example). It is like people are magnetically attracted to that God awful creek...

I know, I know, I have no concept of risk/reward and I am just a big ol wimpy wimp...

I can say without a doubt, it is enough to keep me off Porter, at least until winter... it is worse than before, if that is at all possible. There are too many courses out there that I can play in shorts without having to worry about being infected just to get a birdie putt.

Did you not see Gateway when it first opened???

Like Bryan said, give it some time to get beat in, and we'll see you out there in a few months.

put some long pants and sleeves on and stay in the fairway :)

those back holes will be trampled soon enough

and the city will start taking care of the course again

Did you not see Gateway when it first opened???

Like Bryan said, give it some time to get beat in, and we'll see you out there in a few months.


I understand that courses get trampled in.

The creek will not get trampled in... it will just grow more (as will the lake after a nice fat rain). I just wish for once we could use a brick line in the ground for "risk/reward" OB instead of a God forsaken creek or black bottomed lake. Heck, I would donate the bricks.

I guess a simple OB would just not be enough of a "risk".

Well my drive was not as good today and I found a lot of that poison Ivy you are talking about. I don't think they have sprayed there yet, they sprayed #10 that was poison ivy central. There was also very healthy looking poison Ivy next to #11 tee box. (don't stand next to the fence)

The Parking lot was packed today, (circle was full) I talked to several players who all loved the new layout.

$REWARD$: CE first run FIREBIRD in the reeds right in front of basket #2. If you find it, we can work out a settlement :D I only have 2 left now:(

Oh, #6's tee box has been built in, very nice
#12's tee box was leveled out, also very nice
#10's tee box should be worked on by the city pretty soon, it is going to be back in the trees behind the current short tee box.

Oh, after two rounds and have now got birds on 1,2,5,7,8,10,12,13,15,16,17,18 and of course the ace yesterday on #10:D (hey, it's been ten years, I have a right to be proud of it)

$REWARD$: CE first run FIREBIRD in the reeds right in front of basket #2. If you find it, we can work out a settlement :D I only have 2 left now:(


I suspect the reeds behind #15 will continue to be popular, both for #15 and #5.

Just an update.

Two of the Carrollton baskets have been given to someone to weld together for instillation for a practice basket and #18 over at Green Belt.
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Yet another change over at Jimmy Porter.

Hole #11 will probably be moved pretty soon.

the tee will be near the bridge and fence.

the Basket will be put in the trees past the current #11's tee box.

The Tee Box currently on #12 will be the Am or short tee box.

A longer tee box will be cleared out in the woods near the new #11 basket placement. This will give you a shot the long way over the pond with tree's on both sides. It is currently marked in a shorter position (the tee will be moved backwards into the tree's eventually) for a fun shot. (specially with no water to loose your disc in the pond)

I would like some input, should the hole be played like this.

Any shot OB in the pond gets played from the short tee box? Basically a drop zone.

The course will be played "Sidewalks and across OB" for tournament play.

Remember this post

$REWARD$: CE first run FIREBIRD in the reeds right in front of basket #2. If you find it, we can work out a settlement :D I only have 2 left now:(

well guess what, I got a phone call last night from someone who found the disc yesterday, in the reeds, right in front of the basket.

It was returned today and I gave him a Star T-bird (or was it T-Rex) either way I gave him a brand new disc for the return.

It is good to see someone even attempt to return a disc when they don't even know the person. He told me he saw the post a few weeks back and remembered it when he found the disc.

I saw Jack Tabor and Lloyd Sitkoff today at Swope. They were going to play the course after us old MPGs got done.

Bryan, may I make a small suggestion until the teesigns and cement teeboxes get installed. Someone buy a can of Orange spray paint and paint some directional arrows by the teeboxes and maybe an X on one tree on the blind shots as there are several that you cannot see unless you walk all the way up the fairway before teeing off.
Everything is easy to remember once you go around a time or two but the first time through can be tough in this heat.

I would like to start a Carrollton Disc Golf Club. With at least a monthly mini. The goals of this club would be to raise money for Tee Pads and tee signs for Jimmy Porter and Greenbelt. Also to raise money for the next 18 hole course.

Unfortunately, most of the guys who do the actual work on the course are not PDGA members.

for now, email me or post here if you are interested.

Bryan@MrJims.com

Well, Sunday morning someone got hit by a train on the WEST side of Josey.

The inspector then came out to investigate and found lots of people throwing discs over the railroad tracks just east of Josey from there.

So to make a long story short, after 16 years, he have to move #1 tee box off the 50ft buffer from the tracks.

So Cory Flippin and I moved hole 1 down the hill next to the kiosk. Cory will fill in to make the tee level this weekend. (and will clear up a few branches off the tree)

The Basket was 100ft off the tracks and #2 was more than the 50ft we needed so no changes there.

We will probably mark a "mando" on the poll to the left of the tee. (It takes a horrible shot to throw over there)

For now, the ABC holes are still in the ground, however we moved the tee for the ****** down the side of the hill getting it away from the railroad tracks. It turns the hole into a righty hole, but takes the Railroad track more out of play.

The ABC holes will not be in the ground much longer.

BTW, Cory said they pulled 7 trash bags full of trash off the course this weekend. Please keep our park clean and use the trashcans.

Just to clarify - the person hit by the train was not a disc golfer and wasn't even on the course

Since none of the course is west of Josey, I knew that the accident did not happen near the course. But congrats on breaking the 8K post total.

I went out there yesterday afternoon, and explained to a group about to tee off what had happened, and why tee #1 was being moved.

BTW, the tee sign for hole B is missing, but at least two signs and all three poles are still there - I bet the BNSF person didn't know to look north of Keller Springs.

The new #1 is a good shot still and the practice basket is back in the ground finally...might want to check #18 at GB from what I heard though...just bolting the basket isn't going to keep it in the ground..

Hope that was just temporary..

The practice basket was Cory Flippin's 1st place Adv prize at the Carrollton Open this year. He already has a basket at home so he DONATED his 1st place basket to the course.

And yes, the person hit had nothing to do with Disc Golf, it just goes to show you how things outside of our ranks can hurt all of us.

U Da Man Cory.

Well it looks like the Carrollton courses are the closest to our new pad......we will checking those out soon....what other courses are close by??

Depends, where is your new pad?

The Lewisville courses are probably the closest, or maybe the _wonderful_ Coppell course.

We are in Farmers Branch....Forest and Marsh...The Lewisville courses are the only ones I have played up here....thanks for the help

The sarcasm is thick on the Coppel course :) Don't waste your time out there unless you have some extra plastic to lose for no reason and like 80ft ace runs

The Colony course is just up the street from you also and will be turned in 18 holes very soon - again thanks to Chops and the group

Hey now, don't exaggerate - those two holes are almost 100ft (really!).

Mitch,

Howdy neighbor! I am just east of Forest and Midway, and am at the Forest/Marsh busy retail area a couple of times a week.

Jimmy Porter and Greenbelt are definitely the closest courses to you. After that, you got Fritz and W.O. Harrington in Irving, the two Lewisville courses and B. B. Owen in Dallas, just south of LBJ on Plano Road, about 3-4 miles east of Central Expressway.

Minis:

Irving, 10AM Saturday-usually at Fritz, but may be at Harrington or Turner Park in Grand Prairie.

Dallas - B. B. Owen 2PM Saturday.

Lewisville Lake Park - Saturday afternoon (last year, it started at 1PM during Standard Time, as we have now, and at 2PM when we were on Daylight Savings Time).


Gimme a shout sometime. I don't play much anymore, but I will let myself be drug out to a course by somebody.

Well it looks like the Carrollton courses are the closest to our new pad......we will checking those out soon....what other courses are close by??

Wow, we are lucky to have you up here.

One thing nice about where you live is that you can get to so many courses with a less than 45 min drive.

Shoot, yesterday I drove over and added two new courses to my list. Both North Richland Hills and Arcadia in Wataga. Left Carrollton at 1:30 and was back by 5:15.

Hey, next time you come up and play in Carrollton, stop by the store and say Hi. My store is across Keller Springs from Jimmy Porter behind the Albertsons. (I even have a few discs for sale)

Notice: The Weatherford Ice Bowl benefitting the Pythian Home in Weatherford, a local childrens home. Our goal is to donate $1000 and 500 pounds of dry/canned goods. The tourney is scheduled for February 20, 2010.
The entry is $25 per person and will benefit the charity. We are still finalizing the players package, more information to follow. Please rememer to bring food for their pantry as they rely on donations for operating expenses.

Well, I just got off an exciting phone call with the new (part) owner of the Play It Again Sports in Carrollton. (Deborah) She is gun ho about getting tee pads in place at Jimmy Porter.

She has already gotten the re-bar for the pads donated and is working on the cement next.

She is also going to be helping me with sponsorship and promoting of this years event. With her experience behind the tournament, I suspect big things to happen this year.

If you have not played Jimmy Porter sense it was re-installed, it has been changed a little sense tournament time. Many of the tee boxes have been built up.

I played this afternoon and the parking lot was full,nearly all way back to Josey.

Bryan,

I was there at the PIAS last Saturday, and I introduced myself to her, and she asked if I played at Jimmy Porter, and when I said I did, she told me about the tee pads, and also about her plans for promoting this year's event, where she is hoping to include some involvement by the city of Carrollton.

I also saw the notice where they were, for the third time, the PIAS with the highest yearly gross sales of DG in North America.

Greenbelt will be a 9 hole course until creek reconstruction is done.