Can anyone tell me how exactly the PDGA payout tables are calculated? Also, two questions regarding the tables available from the PDGA website:
1. What happend to the Advanced and other Amateur tables? Only pro appears to still be on the site.
2. Why are there not MS Excel files (or other spreadsheet software) available for download?

Just about every TD I've seen do scoring uses an Excel spredsheet to calculate the scores and payouts. If a template was uploaded and available to use, it would ease the burden of hand typing the payout numbers in to calculate the payout. Might the person who calculated these share the info, or at least how that is calculated please?

Thanks!

By the way, I found a previous thread of this topic here (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Rules%20&%20Standards&Number=213924&Searchpage=0&Main=128736&Search=true&#Post213924) , but it died before any real answers came out of it.

Can anyone tell me how exactly the PDGA payout tables are calculated? Also, two questions regarding the tables available from the PDGA website:
1. What happend to the Advanced and other Amateur tables? Only pro appears to still be on the site.
2. Why are there not MS Excel files (or other spreadsheet software) available for download?

Just about every TD I've seen do scoring uses an Excel spredsheet to calculate the scores and payouts. If a template was uploaded and available to use, it would ease the burden of hand typing the payout numbers in to calculate the payout. Might the person who calculated these share the info, or at least how that is calculated please?

Thanks!

By the way, I found a previous thread of this topic here (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Rules%20&%20Standards&Number=21 3924&Searchpage=0&Main=128736&Search=true&#Post213 924) , but it died before any real answers came out of it.

There is a mathmatical formula [algorithm?] that generates those tables but I don't know what it is. 1. The problem with the tables on-line was supposed to have been fixed last time we noticed this. Apparently the task fell between the cracks. 2. I don't know. I always attributed it to an evil conspiracy to keep the amateurs in the dark about everything, but now that I'm an insider, that theory is not hanging together.

TDs who have a stand-alone program usually got it by file-sharing with other TDs. But the payout calculating program is built in to the TD report Excel spreadsheet and a lot of TDs use that.

If you want a blank Excel TD report or a paper copy of the tables or an Excel copy of the tables I'd be happy to send them to you. Whoever you might be. Unless the evil conspiracy gets to me first.

Maybe you should send that table and a lesson on how to use it to the TD in Norwalk OHIO who ripped all of us off and only payed us HALF of what we were supposed to get and has never tried to make it right :mad:

If you want a blank Excel TD report or a paper copy of the tables or an Excel copy of the tables I'd be happy to send them to you. Whoever you might be. Unless the evil conspiracy gets to me first.




Bruce,
Please send that on my way, I would greatly appreciate it! My email address is Derek.Henry@gt.com.

Thanks

I have it on my computer and would be more than happy to show you how to navigate it(it can be very confusing :confused:). When I got my first look at the payout table I couldn't find the AM payout at all, so I e-mailed back to the PDGA office and Lorrie(AKA THE MOST HELPFUL PDGA STAFF MEMBER............. and the lady who I think secretly runs the entire org :D) walked me through it.

Maybe you should send that table and a lesson on how to use it to the TD in Norwalk OHIO who ripped all of us off and only payed us HALF of what we were supposed to get and has never tried to make it right :mad:



You need to pick your tournaments better! The Homie had fat payouts and free lunch and dinner and two $125 cash CTPs for players who pre-registered and free poison ivy for all. [I did not get in on the poison ivy deal somehow, even though I was in it all day. :D]

Chances are you received ordinary lameass 100% PDGA B-tier payouts at that ohio thing after he deducted for $3 fees, series fees, club fees, trophies and whatever. If not, there is a procedure for complaining about tournaments to the PDGA. I covered that on another rules thread recently.

I am going to be introducing a new tournament concept at the Tag Finals: no payout whatsoever. [There is the Tag Overalls for tag holders, but that is after and outside the tournament] $5 entry fee. With the $20-$35 you are saving on entry fees you could organize something far better than playing for lame payouts in plastic.

If 30 players show up for the Tag Finals I will do more of these. That is right around my break even point. If not, I'll be out of the tournament business in Michigan. I can't run the am-gambler format any more. If that's what you guys want, you'll just have to deal with what you get.

If you see Tomasitis, tell him that if he is serious about doing tags for 2005, I won't do tags for 2005. If he is serious about doing tags, he'll be at the Tag Final selling them, or at least showing us what he'll be doing for tags.

I cannot help myself, I must get into this conversation. The Pro Payouts follow a formula of sorts and if you plot them on a 3-D graph you will see that they re relatively smooth. The other divisions are variants of the Pro tables that have been flattened out over the years. I did EXTENSIVE curve fit analysis to find an equation or set of equations to set up the payouts and the results, while farily close to the PDGA payout tables are not exact. Too many people have played with the tables over the years and they are a little non-uniform in some areas. I submitted the equations to the PDGA last year for consideration in extending the tables and there has been some discussion, but as of today the payout tables handle everything except a few situations at Worlds, so there is no reason to use my equaitons.

I also have a scoring routine that does what the PDGA scoring routine does and quite a bit more. Gary Duke, the regional coordinator for my region also has one that is pretty good. If you are interested in getting a copy, drop me an e-mail at jerrypower@sbcglobal.net and I will send you one.


Can anyone tell me how exactly the PDGA payout tables are calculated? Also, two questions regarding the tables available from the PDGA website:
1. What happend to the Advanced and other Amateur tables? Only pro appears to still be on the site.
2. Why are there not MS Excel files (or other spreadsheet software) available for download?

Just about every TD I've seen do scoring uses an Excel spredsheet to calculate the scores and payouts. If a template was uploaded and available to use, it would ease the burden of hand typing the payout numbers in to calculate the payout. Might the person who calculated these share the info, or at least how that is calculated please?

Thanks!

By the way, I found a previous thread of this topic here (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Rules%20&%20Standards&Number=213924&Searchpage=0&Main=128736&Search=true&#Post213924) , but it died before any real answers came out of it.

Hey Bruce, I was just talking to our state coordinator about this exact thing the other day. I never did get a straight answer from him. I would be greatly appreciative if I could get my hands on those spread sheets. Thanks. :)